Zone1 Christians: Should You Vote?

[bdavidc]

Many Christians say “This world is not my home,” and that’s true. But it’s also true that we aren’t called to sit idly by while darkness grows. “You are the salt of the earth,” Jesus said, “you are the light of the world” ~Matthew 5:13–14. Salt seasons what’s spoiling, light shines where it’s dark. You can’t do either by remaining silent or by staying home.

Every vote is a vote for what we believe in. We’re not voting for perfect candidates (because there aren’t any), but we are voting for the kind of country we want to live in. When the Bible says “Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people” ~Proverbs 14: 34, it means godliness and morality do matter.

Christians vote for the things that bring glory to God: life, not death. Truth, not lies. Justice, not corruption. Freedom, not control. Family, not anarchy. We vote by biblical, not party lines. Our standard isn’t who gives us the most goodies but who lets us live according to God’s truth.

You should not vote for this things if you are a Christian: Supporting the killing unborn babies (Exodus 20:13), twisting gender and marriage (Genesis 1:27, Romans 1:26–27), putting men in women’s sports and calling it equality (1 Corinthians 14:33), corrupting kids with perversion, silencing Christians (Acts 5:29), and celebrating sin instead of calling people to repent (Isaiah 5:20, Luke 13:3). If you claim to follow Jesus and still support a platform that openly mocks His Word, you’ve got a serious problem. You can’t serve God and stand with rebellion.

So Christians: should you vote?

The question is not if we should, but what happens if we don’t.

 

[hobelim]

So Christians: should you vote?

The question is not if we should, but what happens if we don’t.

The disastrous results of Christians voting according their perverse religious views of right and wrong, good and evil, based on an ignorant superficial interpretation of the words and subject of the divine commands that Jesus lived and died opposing not to mention the words of Jesus himself who used figures of speech are obvious. They deliberately chose to elect the epitome of a talking serpent president who is now prancing around the world stage like a fat king with no clothes. Disgusting. Its a national disgrace and affront to the many people who died fighting to insure that such a narcissistic LIAR would never be in charge of anything that requires the public trust.

What is even more astonishing is that even now many fake christians don't have the faith to tell him to **** off when he commands them to deliberately violate the constitutional rights of every American and obstruct justice.

Christians have condemned themselves from being thought of as people of faith to suckers with shit for brains.

Nice going. Jesus must be proud.

 

[Zebra]

they should vote

 

[bdavidc]

The disastrous results of Christians voting according their perverse religious views of right and wrong, good and evil, based on an ignorant superficial interpretation of the words and subject of the divine commands that Jesus lived and died opposing not to mention the words of Jesus himself who used figures of speech are obvious. They deliberately chose to elect the epitome of a talking serpent president who is now prancing around the world stage like a fat king with no clothes. Disgusting. Its a national disgrace and affront to the many people who died fighting to insure that such a narcissistic LIAR would never be in charge of anything that requires the public trust.

What is even more astonishing is that even now many fake christians don't have the faith to tell him to **** off when he commands them to deliberately violate the constitutional rights of every American and obstruct justice.

Christians have condemned themselves from being thought of as people of faith to suckers with shit for brains.

Nice going. Jesus must be proud.

Go ahead and curse Christians all you want. The real problem isn’t politics. The real problem is sin. Your profanity doesn’t reveal hypocrisy in others. It reveals rebellion in your own heart. “Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks” ~Matthew 12:34

Christ never told His followers to surrender truth or check their moral convictions at the voting booth. He said, “You are the salt of the earth… you are the light of the world” ~Matthew 5:13-14 Salt preserves. Light exposes. When Christians vote according to Scripture, they aren’t forcing religion on anyone. They’re standing for righteousness in a nation drowning in evil.

You call it “perverse” to stand against abortion, child mutilation, and moral corruption? God calls it obedience. “Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil” ~Isaiah 5:20. The problem isn’t that Christians apply biblical standards to the policies of our nation. It’s that many have stopped doing so. That’s why this country looks the way it does.

No president, Republican or Democrat, is the Savior. The only hope for this nation is repentance. “Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people” ~Proverbs 14: 34 You can insult Christians all day long, but at the end of the day, every last one of us will stand before the same Judge. “We must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ” ~2 Corinthians 5:10.

So before you curse others, you might want to ask yourself what you’ll say when you meet the One whose name you just so rudely mocked.

 

[hobelim]

When Christians vote according to Scripture, they aren’t forcing religion on anyone. They’re standing for righteousness in a nation drowning in evil.

That's the thing. If Christians voted according to scripture they would rather be crucified and die a horrible death than to willingly elect the epitome of the stalking serpent, Satan, because he lied bigly and promised to advance your perverse interpretation of the words and subjects in scripture about which you apparently know nothing.

There is nothing righteous about trying to impose your perverted view of the world on everyone else. Damn. When Jesus was ridiculed and his teaching dismissed he didn't try to have them arrested he didn't burn them at the stake or beat them into submission, he just walked away and partied with sinners and very bad company. lol

If the country is drowning in sin its because the stewards are faithless. YOU. Your false claim to moral authority is not based on anything Jesus said or did or anything in scripture. If the keepers of the moral law have become themselves wholly immoral, as you have, then you are only condemning yourself by persecuting the innocent.

I will tell you something. Try to hear.

In the very day you first started blubbering about what a worthless piece of sinning shit you were and accepted Jesus or a trinity as your God and savior you died and descended into the netherworld, Hades, the realm of the dead, where you remain in hell separated from God, drowning in confusion, tormented day and night by reality which contradicts your irrational and delusional beliefs day and night like a consuming fire that will never go out.

If you had any faith you would repent and stop sinning instead of blaming others for your failure to stand guard over the sanctity of your own mind by eating the vile and loathsome "flesh" of unclean creatures that do not ruminate, serpents that crawl on their belly, and creepy things that creep, perjuring yourself in the name of God, desecrating the WORDS of Jesus, and teaching others to do the same, EVEN YOUR OWN CHILDREN, which amounts to murder in the same way that Jesus meant when he said, "Satan was a murderer from the beginning."

Trying to interfere with a woman's right to an abortion should be the last thing you are worrying about. Murderer.



Have a nice day.

 

[Cougarbear]

The disastrous results of Christians voting according their perverse religious views of right and wrong, good and evil, based on an ignorant superficial interpretation of the words and subject of the divine commands that Jesus lived and died opposing not to mention the words of Jesus himself who used figures of speech are obvious. They deliberately chose to elect the epitome of a talking serpent president who is now prancing around the world stage like a fat king with no clothes. Disgusting. Its a national disgrace and affront to the many people who died fighting to insure that such a narcissistic LIAR would never be in charge of anything that requires the public trust.

What is even more astonishing is that even now many fake christians don't have the faith to tell him to **** off when he commands them to deliberately violate the constitutional rights of every American and obstruct justice.

Christians have condemned themselves from being thought of as people of faith to suckers with shit for brains.

Nice going. Jesus must be proud.

You are the reason all Christians should vote for anyone but those on the left, like Democrat politicians. None of your words are true. Just more lies of those who have TDS.

 

[hobelim]

You are the reason all Christians should vote for anyone but those on the left, like Democrat politicians.

Why? Because Democrats and those on the left are dedicated to protecting the rights of all people, the people your deranged party reviles - LGBTQ+, women, immigrants, Jews, Muslims, Atheists, different branches of Christianity, comedians, ethical reporters, people of color, the poor, sick, and elderly - not just fundamentalist white Christian nationalists who have blindly swallowed hook line and sinker thinly veiled Nazi propaganda?

How un-American and un-Christian of them to stand up for the downtrodden and persecuted. Those bastards!

None of your words are true. Just more lies of those who have TDS.

So trump isn't openly and brazenly trying to become a dictator, destroy democracy, violating the constitution, pardoning Jan 6 insurrectionists (and anyone who would pay him for a pardon), abusing the power of the presidency, violating the public trust, raiding the national treasury, enriching the bloated wealth of few narcissistic oligarchs, embracing evil dictators tyrants and despots around the world, alienating allies, and shitting on every American including the beguiled ones like you who have had your eyes gouged out by antisemitic demons?

Yeah. Maybe one of those damn liberal freaks made it look like trump himself posted this video? Okey dokey!

 

[bdavidc]

That's the thing. If Christians voted according to scripture they would rather be crucified and die a horrible death than to willingly elect the epitome of the stalking serpent, Satan, because he lied bigly and promised to advance your perverse interpretation of the words and subjects in scripture about which you apparently know nothing.

There is nothing righteous about trying to impose your perverted view of the world on everyone else. Damn. When Jesus was ridiculed and his teaching dismissed he didn't try to have them arrested he didn't burn them at the stake or beat them into submission, he just walked away and partied with sinners and very bad company. lol

If the country is drowning in sin its because the stewards are faithless. YOU. Your false claim to moral authority is not based on anything Jesus said or did or anything in scripture. If the keepers of the moral law have become themselves wholly immoral, as you have, then you are only condemning yourself by persecuting the innocent.

I will tell you something. Try to hear.

In the very day you first started blubbering about what a worthless piece of sinning shit you were and accepted Jesus or a trinity as your God and savior you died and descended into the netherworld, Hades, the realm of the dead, where you remain in hell separated from God, drowning in confusion, tormented day and night by reality which contradicts your irrational and delusional beliefs day and night like a consuming fire that will never go out.

If you had any faith you would repent and stop sinning instead of blaming others for your failure to stand guard over the sanctity of your own mind by eating the vile and loathsome "flesh" of unclean creatures that do not ruminate, serpents that crawl on their belly, and creepy things that creep, perjuring yourself in the name of God, desecrating the WORDS of Jesus, and teaching others to do the same, EVEN YOUR OWN CHILDREN, which amounts to murder in the same way that Jesus meant when he said, "Satan was a murderer from the beginning."

Trying to interfere with a woman's right to an abortion should be the last thing you are worrying about. Murderer.



Have a nice day.

That kind of venom doesn’t change the truth. You can mock, curse and contort all you want, but Scripture still remains. This isn’t a political issue. It’s a righteousness issue. God’s Word tells us to expose the darkness and not make excuses for it ~Ephesians 5:11. To vote by biblical conviction isn’t “forcing religion,” it’s not calling evil good and good evil ~Isaiah 5:20.

You say Jesus “parties with sinners” but He didn’t sin with them. He called them to repentance ~Luke 5:32. He never commended wickedness or told His followers to look the other way as evil grew. He said, “If you love Me, keep My commandments” ~John 14:15. Even the commandment to stand for life, truth and holiness, even when the world hates it ~John 15:18–19.

You can throw insults and accusations my way. Call me a hater or hypocrite. It won’t change the reality: sin separates from God and repentance through Christ is the only way to be reconciled ~Acts 3:19. The fact that you’re angry means the Word is working. Convicting.

I’m not here to win you. I’m here to point you to truth. Whether you receive it or not, one day every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord ~Philippians 2:10–11.

 

[Cougarbear]

Why? Because Democrats and those on the left are dedicated to protecting the rights of all people, the people your deranged party reviles - LGBTQ+, women, immigrants, Jews, Muslims, Atheists, different branches of Christianity, comedians, ethical reporters, people of color, the poor, sick, and elderly - not just fundamentalist white Christian nationalists who have blindly swallowed hook line and sinker thinly veiled Nazi propaganda?

How un-American and un-Christian of them to stand up for the downtrodden and persecuted. Those bastards!



So trump isn't openly and brazenly trying to become a dictator, destroy democracy, violating the constitution, pardoning Jan 6 insurrectionists (and anyone who would pay him for a pardon), abusing the power of the presidency, violating the public trust, raiding the national treasury, enriching the bloated wealth of few narcissistic oligarchs, embracing evil dictators tyrants and despots around the world, alienating allies, and shitting on every American including the beguiled ones like you who have had your eyes gouged out by antisemitic demons?

Yeah. Maybe one of those damn liberal freaks made it look like trump himself posted this video? Okey dokey!

You can put all the memes out as you want. That's all they are and none are true. So, let's look at what a dictator is:
How dictators maintain power

• Dismantling checks and balances: They may rig or dismiss elections, refuse to acknowledge unfavorable results, and remove judges who might rule against them, notes this YouTube video.
• Repressing opposition: This can be done through brute force, secret police, or more modern methods like using broad laws to selectively target dissidents or sending tax inspectors to close down opposing groups, according to Carnegie Corporation of New York and this YouTube video.
• Controlling information: Dictators often control state-owned media, censor journalists, and restrict the flow of information to and from their country, states Study.com and this YouTube video.
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• • Using propaganda and ideology: They may impose an official ideology and create a cult of personality around themselves, states Britannica and Wikipedia.
  • Securing military and elite support: Dictators need the support of the military and intelligence services to maintain their rule, notes LibGuides. They often build an inner circle of elites, such as military officers or party members, who benefit from their support in exchange for loyalty.
  How a dictator differs from other rulers
  • Absolute power: A dictator holds total control, with few to no limitations from constitutions, laws, or opposition parties, as defined by Vocabulary.com and Dictionary.com.
  • Not chosen by free will: A dictatorship is not a democracy because the people did not freely choose the ruler, says 1jour1actu.com.
  • Willingness to relinquish power: Unlike the ancient Roman dictators who would relinquish power after a crisis was resolved, modern dictators typically do not give up power willingly, according to this Facebook video.
  
  So, we can cover these topics. The first is "Not chosen by free will." Trump was chosen by free will. We had elections controlled and operated by Democrats. What needs to be noted is the fact Kamala Harris was not voted for or chosen by the free will of the people in a Primary Election. She would be then noted as a potential dictator had she won. In the 2020 Primaries, she barely got 3% of the vote. That's why she dropped out. Bozo Biden then picked her to be VP and then turned on Him an stole the Primary election from Joey. A Dictator.
  
  Next, "Willingness to relinquish power. Trump is already talking about the 2028 ticked of VP Vance and Rubio. That ends that speculation. Now, look back at the 2016 election where we are finding out that Obama orchestrated an insurrection attempt with Hillary and the fake dossier she paid for. Obama did everything he could to help Hillary carry on his legacy and communist driven attempt to be a silent President with Hillary. And, the long fake attempts to impeach Trump shows the unwillingness of Obama to relinquish power.
  
  Next, Absolute Power: The SCOTUS has and will continue to be very busy which shows no absolute power. So far, Trump has followed judges in their rulings. It's rogue judges that now are ignoring SCOTUS rulings. There is no evidence that Democrats have lost any ability to speak out as they choose. In fact, if Trump was a dictator, all the leftist media would be in jail or Guantanamo Bay. You would also be with them. This forum would be shut down. The only ones guilty of controlling information (media including internet websites like Facebook, Twitter...) are Democrats. Look how hard Democrats like you try to discredit Fox News. There were even calls to have Fox be removed from the air. Hillary stated that the Bible would need to be re-written because of the stance against LGBTQ. You even said the Trump was paid for pardoning January 6th persons? Where did you get that from? Doesn't exist.
  That's all for now. fingers tired.
  
  

 

[Cougarbear]

Why? Because Democrats and those on the left are dedicated to protecting the rights of all people, the people your deranged party reviles - LGBTQ+, women, immigrants, Jews, Muslims, Atheists, different branches of Christianity, comedians, ethical reporters, people of color, the poor, sick, and elderly - not just fundamentalist white Christian nationalists who have blindly swallowed hook line and sinker thinly veiled Nazi propaganda?

How un-American and un-Christian of them to stand up for the downtrodden and persecuted. Those bastards!



So trump isn't openly and brazenly trying to become a dictator, destroy democracy, violating the constitution, pardoning Jan 6 insurrectionists (and anyone who would pay him for a pardon), abusing the power of the presidency, violating the public trust, raiding the national treasury, enriching the bloated wealth of few narcissistic oligarchs, embracing evil dictators tyrants and despots around the world, alienating allies, and shitting on every American including the beguiled ones like you who have had your eyes gouged out by antisemitic demons?

Yeah. Maybe one of those damn liberal freaks made it look like trump himself posted this video? Okey dokey!

Oh, I forgot about this. Had a good laugh. "Because Democrats and those on the left are dedicated to protecting the rights of all people, the people your deranged party reviles - LGBTQ+, women, immigrants, Jews, Muslims, Atheists, different branches of Christianity, comedians, ethical reporters, people of color, the poor, sick, and elderly - not just fundamentalist white Christian nationalists who have blindly swallowed hook line and sinker thinly veiled Nazi propaganda?"

I noticed the word "women" in their. Democrats are for biological males beating the crap out of biological females in sports including boxing! A complete disregard of Title IX, something feminists fought hard for in the past. No, Democrats are not for women. Then, for "Jews?" Are you serious! All those demonstrations by your Antifa Democrats on college campuses attacking Jews and supporting Muslim for Hamas? Of course, you were for Jews before you were for Muslims now. Democrats are not for legal immigrants. They never have been. They want illegal immigrants taking the jobs and healthcare, welfare away from legal immigrants. The rest is as comical as these.

 

[midcan5]

Is Trump a Christian ? Hobelim said it well and true. And Christ, if you believe loved everyone, even those called out and criticized above. One of the best comments I've ever read on Christians and Christianity is below and it is still true.

“The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting. It has been found difficult; and left untried.” G.K. Chesterton, What's Wrong with the World

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[Cougarbear]

Is Trump a Christian ? Hobelim said it well and true. And Christ, if you believe loved everyone, even those called out and criticized above. One of the best comments I've ever read on Christians and Christianity is below and it is still true.

“The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting. It has been found difficult; and left untried.” G.K. Chesterton, What's Wrong with the World

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I'm LDS. And, what I often get is that the LDS people are great people and do Christian things all the time. They live their lives as Christians or follower of Christ. But, because they go beyond the Bible and their doctrines are not mainstream, they are not Christians. Could you elaborate more on this in your own thought and normalcy bias?

 

[my2¢]

You should not vote for this things if you are a Christian: Supporting the killing unborn babies (Exodus 20:13), twisting gender and marriage (Genesis 1:27, Romans 1:26–27), putting men in women’s sports and calling it equality (1 Corinthians 14:33), corrupting kids with perversion, silencing Christians (Acts 5:29), and celebrating sin instead of calling people to repent (Isaiah 5:20, Luke 13:3). If you claim to follow Jesus and still support a platform that openly mocks His Word, you’ve got a serious problem. You can’t serve God and stand with rebellion.

Interesting question about Christian belief and voting. I find it always helpful to put into words my own beliefs with hopeful aim of those thoughts becoming clearer in my mind.

I abstained on Trump vs. Harris. It's not my place to judge who is a better Christian, but they both made me uncomfortable enough not to gather my support.

As for what others decide, I don't see that as any of my business. I take caution on advising others in any holier-than-thou manner. I find the advice of Matthew 7:3 helpful in that regard: Why do you see the speck in your neighbor’s eye but do not notice the log in your own eye?
From bibleproject.com:

 

[mex tex]

You're political by either commission or omission.

 

[hobelim]

You say Jesus “parties with sinners” but He didn’t sin with them. He called them to repentance ~Luke 5:32

You have the whole damn story all wrong.

When the Pharisees asked Jesus why he was giving them a hard time and whooping it up with the rejects of society he said, "Only the sick need a doctor." which was Jesus telling them in the nicest way possible that they were the sinners, not the people they condemned as sinners who Jesus parted with just like they accused Jesus of being a sinner by saying, "He "keeps company" with prostitutes, a euphemism.

If I have to explain that one to you, you really need to get an education.

 

[hobelim]

How dictators maintain power

• Dismantling checks and balances: They may rig or dismiss elections, refuse to acknowledge unfavorable results, and remove judges who might rule against them, notes this YouTube video.
• Repressing opposition: This can be done through brute force, secret police, or more modern methods like using broad laws to selectively target dissidents or sending tax inspectors to close down opposing groups, according to Carnegie Corporation of New York and this YouTube video.
• Controlling information: Dictators often control state-owned media, censor journalists, and restrict the flow of information to and from their country, states Study.com and this YouTube video.

Thanks for confirming what I said about trump because what you posted of your own free will is exactly what trump is openly and brazenly doing.

Good job!

 

[Cougarbear]

Thanks for confirming what I said about trump because what you posted of your own free will is exactly what trump is openly and brazenly doing.

Good job!

So, you agree that Trump is exercising his Constitutional rights and authority. And, you still have your rights to express your opinions without being arrested as do all other Democrats. He's also doing what he can to have open and free elections without corruption by getting rid of the mail in ballots for everyone that Democrats used to get 81 million votes for Biden

 

[bdavidc]

If I have to explain that one to you, you really need to get an education.

Your answer shows that you completely ignored what Jesus actually said and did. Jesus said that the sick require a physician ~Luke 5:31, but He went on to say, “I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance” ~Luke 5:32. You conveniently omitted that part. He was not “partying” with sinners to affirm their sin. He was calling them out of it.

Jesus did eat with tax collectors and prostitutes, but not to join them in their behavior. He came to save them from it. Every time He encountered sinners, it ended with a call to turn from sin, not a party to celebrate it. The woman caught in adultery heard Him say, “Go, and sin no more” ~John 8:11.

The Pharisees were hypocrites and Jesus called them on it. But He never excused sin nor treated rebellion as if it were righteousness. Trying to make His compassion a compromise is twisting Scripture. If you believe Jesus “whooped it up” with sinners instead of confronting them with truth, then it’s not me who needs an education, it’s you who needs to actually read the Word without re-writing it to fit a worldly idea of tolerance.

 

[hobelim]

Your answer shows that you completely ignored what Jesus actually said and did. Jesus said that the sick require a physician ~Luke 5:31, but He went on to say, “I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance”

That confirms what I said because Jesus told the pharisees, "Unless you repent you will never enter the kingdom of Heaven." and "You have your reward already!" and "How do you expect to escape the condemnation of hell?"

He didn't say that to the ones like him who were falsely accused of being sinners. He was partying with them.

 

[hobelim]

So, you agree that Trump is exercising his Constitutional rights and authority

Are you really that dumb? I am impressed by the wonderful things your religious beliefs have done to your mind.

Trump is openly and brazenly doing every single thing that YOU posted that a dictator does. WTF!

• Dismantling checks and balances: They may rig or dismiss elections, refuse to acknowledge unfavorable results, and remove judges who might rule against them, notes this YouTube video.
• Repressing opposition: This can be done through brute force, secret police, or more modern methods like using broad laws to selectively target dissidents or sending tax inspectors to close down opposing groups, according to Carnegie Corporation of New York and this YouTube video.
• Controlling information: Dictators often control state-owned media, censor journalists, and restrict the flow of information to and from their country, states Study.com and this YouTube video
  • Using propaganda and ideology: They may impose an official ideology and create a cult of personality around themselves, states Britannica and Wikipedia.
  • Securing military and elite support: Dictators need the support of the military and intelligence services to maintain their rule, notes LibGuides. They often build an inner circle of elites, such as military officers or party members, who benefit from their support in exchange for loyalty.