Christians should not support the war on terror

[1549]

I hold by my words from the previous thread: Christians who own guns, vote republican, and watch Pat Robertson are pissing on their own religion. That is not what Christianity is about. You wanted proof...here it is:

First, the most important reason:
Luke 7:27-30--"But to you who hear I say, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. To the person who strikes you on one cheek, offer the other one as well, and from the personwho takes your cloak, do not withhold even your tunic".

-->Gun owners: Toss the gun and get a dog. If someone gets in your home just lock yourself in a room, call the cops...Break-ins are rarely ever for the purpose of homicide. You actually are at greater risk if you walk up to a robber with a gun, as he may have one too. Conservatives are mostly pro-war. In the case of the last war, they did not even exhaust diplomacy. Pat Robertson...well he once advocated the assasination of Hugo Chavez, how does a guy like that get a Christian TV show?

Second, also regarding treatment of others:
Matthew 22:37-40--"He said to him, 'you shall love the lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the greatest and the first commandment. The second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

-->Guns are not the tool of love, that is all there is to say about that. Conservatives support the death penalty, is that loving your neighbor? Many christians may disagree with me on this, but I also believe in the right to abortion. No one fully knows a person's individual circumstances that lead them to abortion, and therefore the right should be granted. I am not necessarily for abortion, I just think the right should be extended. Pat Robertson said hindus should not be allowed in the United States. This shows his ignorance, he obviously has never talked to a hindu. Again, nothing Christian about his statement. Besides, the U.S. should be a secular nation, independent of religion. Whatever you are, you have as much right to be here as Pat Robertson.

Finally, regarding wealth
Luke 18:25--"For it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of heaven"

-->The conservative politics (republican and democrat) that dominate America are very critical of socialist ideas such as major reallocation of wealth and strict luxury taxes. Yet, we have no problem criticizing state welfare which is not enough to help poor families. It is near impossible for a poor person to make wealth in a society that already punishes the lower classes. The opportunities simply are not there. Yet most politicians are richer than sin...who do you think they are looking out for? Pat Robertson...well, he made a killing off of FM radio. Gun companies: the Government spends more money on tools of war than anything else.

The only difference between Pat Robertson and Muslim extremists is that Robertson only verbally supports killing. Conservative politicians so often call themselves Christians, but they deviate extremely far from the passages above. And there is nothing Christian about a gun.

 

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[Bonnie]

I hold by my words from the previous thread: Christians who own guns, vote republican, and watch Pat Robertson are pissing on their own religion. That is not what Christianity is about. You wanted proof...here it is:

First, the most important reason:
Luke 7:27-30--"But to you who hear I say, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. To the person who strikes you on one cheek, offer the other one as well, and from the personwho takes your cloak, do not withhold even your tunic".

-->Gun owners: Toss the gun and get a dog. If someone gets in your home just lock yourself in a room, call the cops...Break-ins are rarely ever for the purpose of homicide. You actually are at greater risk if you walk up to a robber with a gun, as he may have one too. Conservatives are mostly pro-war. In the case of the last war, they did not even exhaust diplomacy. Pat Robertson...well he once advocated the assasination of Hugo Chavez, how does a guy like that get a Christian TV show?

Second, also regarding treatment of others:
Matthew 22:37-40--"He said to him, 'you shall love the lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the greatest and the first commandment. The second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

-->Guns are not the tool of love, that is all there is to say about that. Conservatives support the death penalty, is that loving your neighbor? Many christians may disagree with me on this, but I also believe in the right to abortion. No one fully knows a person's individual circumstances that lead them to abortion, and therefore the right should be granted. I am not necessarily for abortion, I just think the right should be extended. Pat Robertson said hindus should not be allowed in the United States. This shows his ignorance, he obviously has never talked to a hindu. Again, nothing Christian about his statement. Besides, the U.S. should be a secular nation, independent of religion. Whatever you are, you have as much right to be here as Pat Robertson.

Finally, regarding wealth
Luke 18:25--"For it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of heaven"

-->The conservative politics (republican and democrat) that dominate America are very critical of socialist ideas such as major reallocation of wealth and strict luxury taxes. Yet, we have no problem criticizing state welfare which is not enough to help poor families. It is near impossible for a poor person to make wealth in a society that already punishes the lower classes. The opportunities simply are not there. Yet most politicians are richer than sin...who do you think they are looking out for? Pat Robertson...well, he made a killing off of FM radio. Gun companies: the Government spends more money on tools of war than anything else.

The only difference between Pat Robertson and Muslim extremists is that Robertson only verbally supports killing. Conservative politicians so often call themselves Christians, but they deviate extremely far from the passages above. And there is nothing Christian about a gun.

STEREOTYPE MUCH and pass judgement???? :rotflmao:

 

[Hobbit]

I said it so eloquantly before, that I think I'll say it again.

How DARE you even begin to lecture me on what Christianity means and what God would want me to do. You spineless, shameless liberals are all the same. You spend soooo much of your time blaming everything on Christians, telling us how backwards we are and how we're all living in the past just because we think unhealthy, unproductive homosexual relationships and killing your child before are wrong. You pound us continuously about how we're a bunch of backward hicks holding back progress in all areas and how if we'd just stop being so f-ing stupid and wake up, everybody would be a lot better off. Then, when it suits your twisted, selfish little agenda, you godless heathens take one or two verses, out of context, and presume to tell those of us who have personally talked to God that God would dissapprove of our actions. Just who the hell do YOU think you ARE?! Have you talked to God? No? Sit down. You lose. Now, until you can actually read and UNDERSTAND the Bible, don't you even begin to tell me that I can't own guns for hunting God's bounty or protecting what God has given me. Don't tell me I can't vote for politicians that oppose the sanction of abominable sexual practices. And you sure as hell better not tell me that I shouldn't watch a preacher on TV whose primary fault is talking before thinking.

The idea that anybody like you would even pretent to lecture ANYBODY on what Christianity really is makes me sick to my stomach. You just have all the answers, don't you?

 

[manu1959]

I hold by my words from the previous thread: Christians who own guns, vote republican, and watch Pat Robertson are pissing on their own religion. That is not what Christianity is about. You wanted proof...here it is:

First, the most important reason:
Luke 7:27-30--"But to you who hear I say, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. To the person who strikes you on one cheek, offer the other one as well, and from the personwho takes your cloak, do not withhold even your tunic".

-->Gun owners: Toss the gun and get a dog. If someone gets in your home just lock yourself in a room, call the cops...Break-ins are rarely ever for the purpose of homicide. You actually are at greater risk if you walk up to a robber with a gun, as he may have one too. Conservatives are mostly pro-war. In the case of the last war, they did not even exhaust diplomacy. Pat Robertson...well he once advocated the assasination of Hugo Chavez, how does a guy like that get a Christian TV show?

Second, also regarding treatment of others:
Matthew 22:37-40--"He said to him, 'you shall love the lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the greatest and the first commandment. The second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

-->Guns are not the tool of love, that is all there is to say about that. Conservatives support the death penalty, is that loving your neighbor? Many christians may disagree with me on this, but I also believe in the right to abortion. No one fully knows a person's individual circumstances that lead them to abortion, and therefore the right should be granted. I am not necessarily for abortion, I just think the right should be extended. Pat Robertson said hindus should not be allowed in the United States. This shows his ignorance, he obviously has never talked to a hindu. Again, nothing Christian about his statement. Besides, the U.S. should be a secular nation, independent of religion. Whatever you are, you have as much right to be here as Pat Robertson.

Finally, regarding wealth
Luke 18:25--"For it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of heaven"

-->The conservative politics (republican and democrat) that dominate America are very critical of socialist ideas such as major reallocation of wealth and strict luxury taxes. Yet, we have no problem criticizing state welfare which is not enough to help poor families. It is near impossible for a poor person to make wealth in a society that already punishes the lower classes. The opportunities simply are not there. Yet most politicians are richer than sin...who do you think they are looking out for? Pat Robertson...well, he made a killing off of FM radio. Gun companies: the Government spends more money on tools of war than anything else.

The only difference between Pat Robertson and Muslim extremists is that Robertson only verbally supports killing. Conservative politicians so often call themselves Christians, but they deviate extremely far from the passages above. And there is nothing Christian about a gun.

i will live by eye for an eye....and do unto others before they do unto you

 

[Semper Fi]

I searched "war on terror," on this page, and there were three results, the thread, your title, and the heading. Thanks for informing me

I don't have much time right now, but this part:

-->Gun owners: Toss the gun and get a dog. If someone gets in your home just lock yourself in a room, call the cops...Break-ins are rarely ever for the purpose of homicide. You actually are at greater risk if you walk up to a robber with a gun, as he may have one too. Conservatives are mostly pro-war. In the case of the last war, they did not even exhaust diplomacy. Pat Robertson...well he once advocated the assasination of Hugo Chavez, how does a guy like that get a Christian TV show?

You would have to be quit the pot-smoker to think that would work. My gun cost around $500, and I can use it when I want to, and otherwise I dont. Your telling me to get a dog, I dont like pets. What if I was allergic to dogs? What if I lived in a neighborhood where there WERE breakins for HOMICIDE? And no, I'm not at a greater risk if I "walk up to a robber with a gun." I would shoot, then walk up to him.

I'm glad Bush didn't exhaust diplomacy, he had the sack to back up his words. Good job Mr. President!

Pat Robertson probably got on the TV show by being a devoute Christian and being a good public speaker. I don't see what you liberals want. We invade, you complain. We offer a less costly alternative, you complain. I don't care though, just sit in your room and smoke your hippy lettuce.

 

[1549]

I just posted this in the other thread:

I am christian. Don't call me anti-christian, I believe in God and Jesus. What I am against, is people passing off un-christian bullshit as christian.

I really get the feeling that you guys did not even read what I wrote. Nothing about that was anti-christian at all.

 

[1549]

I searched "war on terror," on this page, and there were three results, the thread, your title, and the heading. Thanks for informing me :bs:

I don't have much time right now, but this part:

You would have to be quit the pot-smoker to think that would work. My gun cost around $500, and I can use it when I want to, and otherwise I dont. Your telling me to get a dog, I dont like pets. What if I was allergic to dogs? What if I lived in a neighborhood where there WERE breakins for HOMICIDE? And no, I'm not at a greater risk if I "walk up to a robber with a gun." I would shoot, then walk up to him.

I'm glad Bush didn't exhaust diplomacy, he had the sack to back up his words. Good job Mr. President!

Pat Robertson probably got on the TV show by being a devoute Christian and being a good public speaker. I don't see what you liberals want. We invade, you complain. We offer a less costly alternative, you complain. I don't care though, just sit in your room and smoke your hippy lettuce.

Then lock yourself in the bathroom with the phone without the dog barking dog barking downstairs. You are still better off than trying to sneak up on him with a gun.

What if you get down there and it is some punk teen trying to take your dvd player, and you kill him? You don't think that is going to put a dark cloud on your life for a while? In fact, unless you can prove he was about to kill your ass...you may even go to jail.

 

[manu1959]

I just posted this in the other thread:

I am christian. Don't call me anti-christian, I believe in God and Jesus. What I am against, is people passing off un-christian bullshit as christian.

I really get the feeling that you guys did not even read what I wrote. Nothing about that was anti-christian at all.

i read it .... you cherry picked the inteligence .....

what exactly are your credentials that allow you to decide what is or is not christian?

 

[Hobbit]

Two more things I noticed.

Muslims: Most Muslims in the world are more than willing to kill you, if given the chance. Would you rather we send troops over there to kill them or would you rather wait until they get here so you can die on your knees waiting for the omnipotent government to help you.

The Government: The government is to be feared and not trusted. The founding father...DEVOUT CHRISTIANS...knew this, and so inserted provisions to allow citizens to defend themselves. The average response time of cops in this area is around 10 minutes. In ten minutes, the guy could be gone. I'm not depending on the cops. Dependancy on the government leads to failure. Then, there's the fact that while many crooks don't break in to commit homicide, they are very prone to shooting witnesses, unless they think they'll be shot back.

Bottom line: Open your eyes and see the horrible truth for what it is. The world is a violent, dirty place where there are very few people you can trust, and even fewer you can depend on. There are millions of people out there willing to kill you for your shoes. To believe otherwise is to live in denial.

 

[manu1959]

I searched "war on terror," on this page, and there were three results, the thread, your title, and the heading. Thanks for informing me

I don't have much time right now, but this part:

You would have to be quit the pot-smoker to think that would work. My gun cost around $500, and I can use it when I want to, and otherwise I dont. Your telling me to get a dog, I dont like pets. What if I was allergic to dogs? What if I lived in a neighborhood where there WERE breakins for HOMICIDE? And no, I'm not at a greater risk if I "walk up to a robber with a gun." I would shoot, then walk up to him.

I'm glad Bush didn't exhaust diplomacy, he had the sack to back up his words. Good job Mr. President!

Pat Robertson probably got on the TV show by being a devoute Christian and being a good public speaker. I don't see what you liberals want. We invade, you complain. We offer a less costly alternative, you complain. I don't care though, just sit in your room and smoke your hippy lettuce.

my advice.....shoot em.....drag em inside....clean up.....call the cops....call your lawyer....say nothing....pray for forgivness....you will get off

 

[Hobbit]

I just posted this in the other thread:

I am christian. Don't call me anti-christian, I believe in God and Jesus. What I am against, is people passing off un-christian bullshit as christian.

I really get the feeling that you guys did not even read what I wrote. Nothing about that was anti-christian at all.

Yes, it is. You pretend to be above other Christians and condescend to them in this high and mighty tone about how they're all wrong because you say so.

Oh, and by the way, I've found that only half of those who claim to be Christian actually live it, so I tend to judge the truth by their words and actions. You sir, have not in any way demonstrated me that you barely have a grasp on Christianity. If you really are a Christian, you have a lot of really harsh revelations to come to before you get it figured out.

 

[Bonnie]

I just posted this in the other thread:

I am christian. Don't call me anti-christian, I believe in God and Jesus. What I am against, is people passing off un-christian bullshit as christian.

I really get the feeling that you guys did not even read what I wrote. Nothing about that was anti-christian at all.

First of all you are cherry picking certain bible passages and then interpreting them to suit your point, that's your perogative to do so. However you cross the line with ridiculous generalizations and judgements about others ie your comment about supporting abortion as who know what's in someone's heart and mind

"Many christians may disagree with me on this, but I also believe in the right to abortion. No one fully knows a person's individual circumstances that lead them to abortion, and therefore the right should be granted".

Here you absolutely contradict yourself by saying this then claiming to know anyone who owns a gun is pissing all over Christianity.

Well for the record I think you are not living the Christian life by your approval of abortion. You have no pity for innocent helpless babies, yet your heart bleeds for radical Islamists who kill innocent women and children...


BTW when Jesus advocated turning the other cheek, he was advocating insulting and standing up to those who mistreat you. Jesus was no DOORMAT, nor did he ever teach the rest of us to be.

 

[Semper Fi]

Then lock yourself in the bathroom with the phone without the dog barking dog barking downstairs. You are still better off than trying to sneak up on him with a gun.

What if you get down there and it is some punk teen trying to take your dvd player, and you kill him? You don't think that is going to put a dark cloud on your life for a while? In fact, unless you can prove he was about to kill your ass...you may even go to jail.

I dont like pets, they would starve and die, would you want that? Or how about I lock myself in my room with the sights trained on the door, and call the cops? And if I have a gun to your face, but dont shoot, would that not be more humane than letting my dog maul someone to death?

I never said I would shoot to kill. It's the principle. What gives someone the right to break into my house, regardless of their motive? If they have the right or mean to break into my house, what is there to restrain me from upholding my principles?

 

[CrimsonWhite]

Then lock yourself in the bathroom with the phone without the dog barking dog barking downstairs. You are still better off than trying to sneak up on him with a gun.

What if you get down there and it is some punk teen trying to take your dvd player, and you kill him? You don't think that is going to put a dark cloud on your life for a while? In fact, unless you can prove he was about to kill your ass...you may even go to jail.

Guess what? I won't be sneaking up on the person that unlawfully enters my my home. I will get his attention and double tap, center mass. A dog can be neutralized, a trained, motivated, fearles individual cannot. As for going to jail, I'd rather be judged by 12, than carried by six.

 

[1549]

It would take me hours to respond to everyone's point...so I am going to make a general disclaimer:

The bible is open to every person's own interpretation. I stated why I believe all of those things are un-christian. Who knows, maybe they are Christian...I just offered my opinion. In the other thread today, you asked why I thought this: I chose a few passages explaining my points. I am sorry if I offended...it was not my intent.

Also:

As far as cherry picking to suit my points. That is how writing works...I could not re-type the whole bible so I picked a few passages that helped me shape my own personal beliefs.

 

[CrimsonWhite]

I hold by my words from the previous thread: Christians who own guns, vote republican, and watch Pat Robertson are pissing on their own religion. That is not what Christianity is about. You wanted proof...here it is:

First, the most important reason:
Luke 7:27-30--"But to you who hear I say, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. To the person who strikes you on one cheek, offer the other one as well, and from the personwho takes your cloak, do not withhold even your tunic".

-->Gun owners: Toss the gun and get a dog. If someone gets in your home just lock yourself in a room, call the cops...Break-ins are rarely ever for the purpose of homicide. You actually are at greater risk if you walk up to a robber with a gun, as he may have one too. Conservatives are mostly pro-war. In the case of the last war, they did not even exhaust diplomacy. Pat Robertson...well he once advocated the assasination of Hugo Chavez, how does a guy like that get a Christian TV show?

Second, also regarding treatment of others:
Matthew 22:37-40--"He said to him, 'you shall love the lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the greatest and the first commandment. The second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

-->Guns are not the tool of love, that is all there is to say about that. Conservatives support the death penalty, is that loving your neighbor? Many christians may disagree with me on this, but I also believe in the right to abortion. No one fully knows a person's individual circumstances that lead them to abortion, and therefore the right should be granted. I am not necessarily for abortion, I just think the right should be extended. Pat Robertson said hindus should not be allowed in the United States. This shows his ignorance, he obviously has never talked to a hindu. Again, nothing Christian about his statement. Besides, the U.S. should be a secular nation, independent of religion. Whatever you are, you have as much right to be here as Pat Robertson.

Finally, regarding wealth
Luke 18:25--"For it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of heaven"

-->The conservative politics (republican and democrat) that dominate America are very critical of socialist ideas such as major reallocation of wealth and strict luxury taxes. Yet, we have no problem criticizing state welfare which is not enough to help poor families. It is near impossible for a poor person to make wealth in a society that already punishes the lower classes. The opportunities simply are not there. Yet most politicians are richer than sin...who do you think they are looking out for? Pat Robertson...well, he made a killing off of FM radio. Gun companies: the Government spends more money on tools of war than anything else.

The only difference between Pat Robertson and Muslim extremists is that Robertson only verbally supports killing. Conservative politicians so often call themselves Christians, but they deviate extremely far from the passages above. And there is nothing Christian about a gun.

Sounds like you have a problem with Pat Robertson. A problem I agree with, but it doesn't make, Pat Robertson this and Pat Robertson that, a valid argument about what is christian. Here's a place you can bitch to:

http://www.cbn.com/

If this government hadn't spent so much on 'tools of war,' you wouldn't be able to say what you are saying.

 

[Hobbit]

It would take me hours to respond to everyone's point...so I am going to make a general disclaimer:

The bible is open to every person's own interpretation. I stated why I believe all of those things are un-christian. Who knows, maybe they are Christian...I just offered my opinion. In the other thread today, you asked why I thought this: I chose a few passages explaining my points. I am sorry if I offended...it was not my intent.

Also:

As far as cherry picking to suit my points. That is how writing works...I could not re-type the whole bible so I picked a few passages that helped me shape my own personal beliefs.

Uh, no. You're not weaseling your way out of this with some BS disclaimer. From what I've seen, you like to interperet the Bible to fit your own idea of the world. That's bullcrap. The Bible was written not as a feel-good book. It was written as a guide on how to live your life. God never said it would be easy. He never said it would be fun. However, what he did say was clear, simple, and to the point. You can't just take the parts you don't like and say, "Oh, those were only symbolism." God also created the gritty, real world we live in and while Christian standards aren't easy to live up to, they won't result in you needlessly throwing your life away on some idiotic idea that you're not allowed to defend yourself, especially when it is within your legal rights to do so.

As far as cherry picking. We're not saying you have to post the whole Bible. You just need to take things in context when you interperet. You're no better than people who excuse sexism with the two verses, "Wives, obey your husbands," and "Your women shall keep silent in the churches."

 

[1549]

Uh, no. You're not weaseling your way out of this with some BS disclaimer.

Then stone me.

I don't know what else to tell you.

 

[manu1959]

It would take me hours to respond to everyone's point...so I am going to make a general disclaimer:

The bible is open to every person's own interpretation. I stated why I believe all of those things are un-christian. Who knows, maybe they are Christian...I just offered my opinion. In the other thread today, you asked why I thought this: I chose a few passages explaining my points. I am sorry if I offended...it was not my intent.

Also:

As far as cherry picking to suit my points. That is how writing works...I could not re-type the whole bible so I picked a few passages that helped me shape my own personal beliefs.

so you cherry pick what works for you....that other parts you blow off....nice