China is reexamining its investments in Islamic Republic of Iran following the escalation

[FDR_Reagan]

Gee, China, what took you so long? You are usually very fast.

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China is reexamining its investments in Iran following the escalation

 

[kyzr]

So what did China give Iran?

Mystery flights from China to Iran raise questions amid Israel conflict

Mystery transport planes from China to Iran detected on FlightRadar24 have sparked speculation about China supporting its ally as tensions escalate between Iran and Israel.

www.foxnews.com

 

[toobfreak]

Gee, China, what took you so long? You are usually very fast.
China is reexamining its investments in Iran following the escalation

They better be. China is dependent on, committed to Iran. Iran was a big part on their strategy to free themselves of dependency on the USA.

They've invested about 1 trillion dollars into Iran in exchange for a sweetheart deal where they get a large volume of their oil from Iran cheap. If China loses Iran now, their boat is sunk.

Trump is really rocking China's ability to stay afloat with this whole Iran thing.

I'm betting this is all part of Trump's plans.

 

[toobfreak]

So what did China give Iran?

Israel needs to be shooting down any and all such flights into Iran, declaring it a closed air space.

 

[JoeB131]

They better be. China is dependent on, committed to Iran. Iran was a big part on their strategy to free themselves of dependency on the USA.

They've invested about 1 trillion dollars into Iran in exchange for a sweetheart deal where they get a large volume of their oil from Iran cheap. If China loses Iran now, their boat is sunk.

Trump is really rocking China's ability to stay afloat with this whole Iran thing.

I'm betting this is all part of Trump's plans.

Yes, Trump is playing five-dimensional chess. I know you Bleach Drinkers need to believe that.

China can get Oil from Russia, which needs the revenues right now.

The bigger problem the US has is that most of the Islamic World (not their corrupt leaders, but the populace at large) really hates Israel and hates the thought of bombing Iranian civilians.

This is a mess we need to avoid.

 

[kyzr]

Yes, Trump is playing five-dimensional chess. I know you Bleach Drinkers need to believe that.

China can get Oil from Russia, which needs the revenues right now.

The bigger problem the US has is that most of the Islamic World (not their corrupt leaders, but the populace at large) really hates Israel and hates the thought of bombing Iranian civilians. This is a mess we need to avoid.

TACO Trump had his window to use the "bunker buster" bombs with serious effect, now he is giving Iran two weeks to evacuate their nuclear materials. If OTOH the US doesn't have good intel on the underground facilities it makes sense to wait instead of wasting expensive bombs. What did China give Iran in those three 747 cargo jets?

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I understand the sentiment to avoid the "mess", but a nuclear Iran is the "mother of all messes".

 

[shockedcanadian]

Gee, China, what took you so long? You are usually very fast.

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China is reexamining its investments in Iran following the escalation

This is smoke and mirrors, there were reports of 5 large cargon planes sent to Iran from China. anti-aircraft weapons sent? At best, this just means "we like to invest in authoritarian governments and if this regime is removed we cannot support any freedom loving government". Iran is one of the 4 in the Axis. a new government might be great for Iranians.

 

[JoeB131]

TACO Trump had his window to use the "bunker buster" bombs with serious effect, now he is giving Iran two weeks to evacuate their nuclear materials. If OTOH the US doesn't have good intel on the underground facilities it makes sense to wait instead of wasting expensive bombs. What did China give Iran in those three 747 cargo jets?

I understand the sentiment to avoid the "mess", but a nuclear Iran is the "mother of all messes".

Wow, it's fun to watch the Trump cultists turn on him.

The main reason why they don't want to use those Bunker Bombs is that they might scatter nuclear material all over the region, including on our Allies.

China probably won't get involved, but if they choose to, we'd be screwed.

Imagine flying over Iran and encountering PLAAF jets.

 

[JoeB131]

This is smoke and mirrors, there were reports of 5 large cargon planes sent to Iran from China. anti-aircraft weapons sent? At best, this just means "we like to invest in authoritarian governments and if this regime is removed we cannot support any freedom loving government". Iran is one of the 4 in the Axis. a new government might be great for Iranians.

Are you retarded, Snidley?

Regime change NEVER WORKS.

We've done "regime change" in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, and Egypt.

In which of those cases did we not just make things worse?

 

[JohnDB]

Are you retarded, Snidley?

Regime change NEVER WORKS.

We've done "regime change" in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, and Egypt.

In which of those cases did we not just make things worse?

You forgot Korea and Vietnam.

One of the few times we agree....enjoy it while it lasts.

However,
Iran is populus enough that perhaps we won't need to do anything to install a new Government. They can do it themselves.

All citizens of Iran are in agreement that the Mullahs need to go. After that they are highly fractured as to what direction they need to go in. (Caste based societies)

The Mullahs gained a foothold by shaming the population over their morality. Then seized all power and held it with brutality. No dissent allowed.

So....I'm looking forward to seeing all this shake out. Might have to visit the Middle Eastern Riviera.

 

[JoeB131]

You forgot Korea and Vietnam.

One of the few times we agree....enjoy it while it lasts.

You might have a point, you really can't stay sensible long enough after a realization.

However,
Iran is populus enough that perhaps we won't need to do anything to install a new Government. They can do it themselves.

All citizens of Iran are in agreement that the Mullahs need to go. After that they are highly fractured as to what direction they need to go in. (Caste based societies)

I'm not sure why you think that. The main reason why the PNAC/AIPAC lobby targeted Iraq for "Regime change" was that they thought it was a better test case for their ideas that if they introduced Western ideas, they would all learn to love Israel.

Didn't really work out that way.

The thing about the Mullahs is that they are a known quantity. C'Thulhu knows what might take root if they are overthrown. Did anyone foresee the rise of ISIS in Iraq when Bush was saying "Mission Accomplished"?

The Mullahs gained a foothold by shaming the population over their morality. Then seized all power and held it with brutality. No dissent allowed.

So....I'm looking forward to seeing all this shake out. Might have to visit the Middle Eastern Riviera.

The problem is you fail to understand WHY the mullahs took power.

There was a sensible, pro-Western democratic class of intellectuals. They tried to depose the Shah in 1953 (or at least limit him to being a constitutional monarch) and the CIA conspired with the Army to overthrow them. The Shah then proceeded to kill anyone who had any ideas that weren't his. The reason why the Mullahs took power is they were the only power base the Shah didn't feel confident enough to go after.

We could very well end up with a regime that is far more radical than the Mullahs, who were just happy running Iran and supporting like-minded regimes.

 

[kyzr]

Wow, it's fun to watch the Trump cultists turn on him.

Not turning on him, just seeing his avoidance of painful decisions. He needs Mike Pompeo back in the loop.

The main reason why they don't want to use those Bunker Bombs is that they might scatter nuclear material all over the region, including on our Allies.
China probably won't get involved, but if they choose to, we'd be screwed.
Imagine flying over Iran and encountering PLAAF jets.

Israel supposedly owns the sky over Iran. But the USAF vs anyone is target practice.
Why would we be screwed if China got involved?

 

[JohnDB]

You might have a point, you really can't stay sensible long enough after a realization.



I'm not sure why you think that. The main reason why the PNAC/AIPAC lobby targeted Iraq for "Regime change" was that they thought it was a better test case for their ideas that if they introduced Western ideas, they would all learn to love Israel.

Didn't really work out that way.

The thing about the Mullahs is that they are a known quantity. C'Thulhu knows what might take root if they are overthrown. Did anyone foresee the rise of ISIS in Iraq when Bush was saying "Mission Accomplished"?



The problem is you fail to understand WHY the mullahs took power.

There was a sensible, pro-Western democratic class of intellectuals. They tried to depose the Shah in 1953 (or at least limit him to being a constitutional monarch) and the CIA conspired with the Army to overthrow them. The Shah then proceeded to kill anyone who had any ideas that weren't his. The reason why the Mullahs took power is they were the only power base the Shah didn't feel confident enough to go after.

We could very well end up with a regime that is far more radical than the Mullahs, who were just happy running Iran and supporting like-minded regimes.

You can try to rewrite history for the kids....but I'm not one of them.

The Shaw pushed western morality way too far. It included the European sexuality of bare legs and arms on women. Also including the swimwear. It absolutely embarrassed the people who were much more conservative. The Shaw ignored every bit of advice to go slower with a pro-western agenda. His people were not ready for such ideas and ideals. And it cost him and his country.

The Mullahs saw the money from the oil....and made a play for it. And got it. YOUR conspiracy theories involving CIA are bunk.

And if Democrats would actually LEARN from history they would have known that their entire DEI, LGBTQ, anti-petroleum agendas were a push too far too fast because of the pendulum swing. And they swing back farther than you pushed forward.

So currently there are many factions in Iran. All wanting various things. The Muslim extremists do not have a chance except by brute force. (Not happening with armed internal conflict)

The ONLY unforseen possibility is a Kurdish State emerging. Kurds from Iraq and Iran coalesce and "free" their Turkish, Syrian and Azerbaijan Brothers. Then they will control the bulk of the oil.

Which will leave vast swaths of Iran as poor and tribal. (Like Afghanistan but with less water)

So we'll see what arises from the ashes in a few years. Tomorrow? No telling who will rise up and think they control the area.

Who will really seize power and oil and keep it? No telling. My money is that eventually it will be Kurdistan.

 

[22lcidw]

Wow, it's fun to watch the Trump cultists turn on him.

The main reason why they don't want to use those Bunker Bombs is that they might scatter nuclear material all over the region, including on our Allies.

China probably won't get involved, but if they choose to, we'd be screwed.

Imagine flying over Iran and encountering PLAAF jets.

You Progs bleed commie red. If they pushed to legalize sexually violating toddlers, you would approve of it. Many Republican voters are wary. They know what Progs are and oppose them. That brings us to our own that have power or are in office. And there are several different views from them all. For what reasons are debated. Trump ran on this. and it is difficult to make that decision. The fact is with Iran since 1979 we have been putting up with this. Hurry up more medicine commercials on sexual diseases are on TV telling you it is 100% okie dokie to live in a style that gives you the disease. That is reality.

 

[JohnDB]

Muslim Extremists see an opportunity to ruin Europe.

 

[JoeB131]

Not turning on him, just seeing his avoidance of painful decisions. He needs Mike Pompeo back in the loop.

Nope. He has exactly what he wants... lickspittles who won't question what he does. The problem is, when you surround yourself with Yes Men, you can't make good decisions.

Israel supposedly owns the sky over Iran. But the USAF vs anyone is target practice.
Why would we be screwed if China got involved?

Oh, I don't know, World War III. That would probably be a bad thing.

 

[JoeB131]

You can try to rewrite history for the kids....but I'm not one of them.

The Shaw

Wait... um, who the hell is "the Shaw"?

"John DB has dead eyes, like a dolls eyes, doesn't even seem like he's living!"

The Shaw pushed western morality way too far. It included the European sexuality of bare legs and arms on women. Also including the swimwear. It absolutely embarrassed the people who were much more conservative. The Shaw ignored every bit of advice to go slower with a pro-western agenda. His people were not ready for such ideas and ideals. And it cost him and his country.

Actually, nobody gave the Shah that advice. The reason why the Shah's people came to resent him is that, despite the influx of oil wealth, most of them were still living in poverty. The Shah threw this big party in 1971 that cost billions so he could dick-wag at the other foreign leaders, which caused even more resentment.

The Mullahs saw the money from the oil....and made a play for it. And got it. YOUR conspiracy theories involving CIA are bunk.

Uh, guy your ******* ignorance of history is astounding. Have you figured out where the Golan Heights are yet?

And if Democrats would actually LEARN from history they would have known that their entire DEI, LGBTQ, anti-petroleum agendas were a push too far too fast because of the pendulum swing. And they swing back farther than you pushed forward.

Meh, not really. If history is anything, it's shown that inclusivity always increases over time, even if it's not a straight path.

So currently there are many factions in Iran. All wanting various things. The Muslim extremists do not have a chance except by brute force. (Not happening with armed internal conflict)

Actually, if anything, the Zionists bombing them has united people behind the Mullahs.

The ONLY unforseen possibility is a Kurdish State emerging. Kurds from Iraq and Iran coalesce and "free" their Turkish, Syrian and Azerbaijan Brothers. Then they will control the bulk of the oil.

Which will leave vast swaths of Iran as poor and tribal. (Like Afghanistan but with less water)

Iran doesn't have that many Kurds, only about 8 million out of 90 million people. And they don't have that much of the Oil.

So we'll see what arises from the ashes in a few years. Tomorrow? No telling who will rise up and think they control the area.

Who will really seize power and oil and keep it? No telling. My money is that eventually it will be Kurdistan.

Naw, Iraq, Syria and Turkey will never tolerate a Kurdish state.

 

[georgephillip]

Gee, China, what took you so long? You are usually very fast.

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China is reexamining its investments in Iran following the escalation

China also appears to recognize which state is responsible for the current hostilities:

China Warns: ‘World Will Not Be at Peace’ if Middle East Unstable

"'If the Middle East is unstable, the world will not be at peace,' Chinese President Xi Jinping said Thursday. 'If the conflict escalates further, not only will the conflicting parties suffer greater losses, but regional countries will also suffer greatly.'"

"'The warring parties, especially Israel, should cease fire as soon as possible to prevent a cycle of escalation and resolutely avoid the spillover of the war,' Xi added."

Xi's comments came in a call with Vladimir Putin in which both leaders called for a ceasefire.

Earlier in the week, Russia warned Israel's attacks have brought the world "millimeters" from a nuclear calamity.

Who gets rich from that?

 

[JohnDB]

China also appears to recognize which state is responsible for the current hostilities:

China Warns: ‘World Will Not Be at Peace’ if Middle East Unstable

"'If the Middle East is unstable, the world will not be at peace,' Chinese President Xi Jinping said Thursday. 'If the conflict escalates further, not only will the conflicting parties suffer greater losses, but regional countries will also suffer greatly.'"

"'The warring parties, especially Israel, should cease fire as soon as possible to prevent a cycle of escalation and resolutely avoid the spillover of the war,' Xi added."

Xi's comments came in a call with Vladimir Putin in which both leaders called for a ceasefire.

Earlier in the week, Russia warned Israel's attacks have brought the world "millimeters" from a nuclear calamity.

Who gets rich from that?

You are such a moron....

Look at this map.


Ok MORON who listens to no one....

The red drone is on Mount Hermon....yes it is called the Golan Heights but this hill chain extends all the way down the Jordan to the EAST side of Lake Tiberias (aka Sea of Galilee)
(There's a dam currently helping with water control)
If you would EVER LOOK AT A BIBLICAL MAP THIS STUFF IS VERY BASIC INFORMATION....BUT you deny your Creator and are a fool for doing so. So you have likely never seen a topographical map.

Which is what is also referred to as the Golan Heights for a fantastic sunrise every morning.....

There's no other name for those hills on the EAST BANK OF the Sea of Galilee other than "Golan Heights".

So exactly who is the idiot?

They showed a video the other day of Israel intercepting missiles from Iran over the hills and lake....and the video was shot from the King David hotel....one of the balconies. They didnt say it....I just knew from my stay there. (YOU have never been or will ever go....it just sucks to be you).

There's a much better hotel down the road within walking distance....I stayed at the better one. (Ron Beech)

Personally I like the party boat at night with the disco ball playing 80's rock music....just too fun.

And ol Putin?
I think he's a bit put out with RT at the moment....because when they were commenting on the Israeli Iran conflict they laid out a great blueprint for how to remove Russia from Ukraine.

Maybe lay off the recreational chemicals....
You can then walk and chew gum at the same time.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

So what did China give Iran?

Mystery flights from China to Iran raise questions amid Israel conflict

Mystery transport planes from China to Iran detected on FlightRadar24 have sparked speculation about China supporting its ally as tensions escalate between Iran and Israel.

www.foxnews.com

Debt servitude.