The temples are not being kept up and traditional Chinese culture is being forgotten. Those who should be instructing the youth succumbed to the Cultural Revolution.
China censors 'Tiananmen' image of young female athletes hugging
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Kruska
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You obviously have never been to China - Religion and Temples are a HUGE business in China.
You only babble personal opinions and nonsense - factual sources? NONE.
No, it's because most wiki entries are written by either morons, or propagandists.
Even wiki's founder says it is shit.
Tom Paine 1949
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I’m afraid konradv does often show his knowledge about today’s China is rather shallow. China can be a remarkably complex place and the Communist Party often does defend Confucian (mostly conservative) traditions, and China’s “ancient culture.” (Stalin’s Russia, after all, during WWII often lauded old Czars and aristocratic military heroes … just a few years after denouncing them as reactionary.)
But where konradv is sometimes just mistaken, Kruska has no excuse for his … misrepresentations. I wonder who he thinks he is fooling here?
Kruska offers a bizarre “history” of the origin and development of the Chinese Communist movement that is ridiculous. it is a pack of propagandistic lies only an old hack / CPC cadre would concoct or repeat, or believe. He seems to be trying to sanitize all the twists and turn of that party’s leadership over a century just so Mao looks good and the present XiJinPing leadership looks better. He may well have gotten it out of some ridiculous CPC cadre’s official manual and added a few preposterous tidbits of his own.
It’s fine to emphasize the strong influence of early USSR cadre on the new & immature but rapidly growing Communist Party in China in the 1920s. Mao’s later rise pushed a very different line for rural peasant warfare than these experienced but mostly European revolutionaries. The early advice sent from Stalin’s Comintern swung ideologically in very different directions, from urging a “popular front” during the Northern March led by the Guomindang — leading to the massacre of CP members and supporters by Chiang Kai-shek / Jiang Jieshi in 1927 in Shanghai — to flip-flopping & calling for ultra-left CP-initiated “Soviet” uprisings in cities, where they were doomed to fail and led only to further massacres.
To somehow connect this early Soviet “hard core” influence in the urban worker-based 1920’s Communist movement to disasters over a generation later like Mao’s “Cultural Revolution” … is absurd. It is to misunderstand everything — including the evolving nature of the early Communist Party, its urban/rural division, WWII war experiences, Mao’s own evolving “Cult of Personality” (as his faction came to dominate the Red Army), and the overall transformation of the party from leading a peasant-based army trying to survive Guomindang attacks in war-lord ravished and then Japanese-occupied China, to a group marching into cities, defeating the weakened Guomindang and establishing a new national government.
To identify early “hard-core” Comintern ideology (however you want to define it) with Mao’s distinct and evolving personal view would be mostly wrong, but even more wrong would be to link that element with Mao’s later increasingly anti-materialist ideology, with his “Gang of Four” or its final leader — who happened to be Mao’s last wife Jiang Qing. The members of the Gang of Four and the student leaders of the Cultural Revolution were not carrying out the mission of early Comintern agents who had disappeared more than 30 years earlier. They were not just then supporting Mao’s cult and opposing “Soviet social imperialism” — they had no idea whatever what the latter term even meant! They were simply carrying out a chaotic rebellion against authority, Chinese culture and decency itself at the behest of Mao and his narrow faction, which had been losing power to party bureaucrats, experts and city people since the Great Leap Forward.
Kruska identifying a hardcore “ultra left” with both Stalin’s Comintern and Mao’s Cultural Revolution by itself would be a silly oversimplification, but then to link them with American “woke” democrats or liberals shows above all he shares a fabulist and crackpot view of history.
What is hiding behind his misrepresentations of the history of today’s suddenly “not communist” Communist Party of China … is simply worship of raw political power … of two present day one-man dictators in Russia & China.
But where konradv is sometimes just mistaken, Kruska has no excuse for his … misrepresentations. I wonder who he thinks he is fooling here?
Kruska offers a bizarre “history” of the origin and development of the Chinese Communist movement that is ridiculous. it is a pack of propagandistic lies only an old hack / CPC cadre would concoct or repeat, or believe. He seems to be trying to sanitize all the twists and turn of that party’s leadership over a century just so Mao looks good and the present XiJinPing leadership looks better. He may well have gotten it out of some ridiculous CPC cadre’s official manual and added a few preposterous tidbits of his own.
It’s fine to emphasize the strong influence of early USSR cadre on the new & immature but rapidly growing Communist Party in China in the 1920s. Mao’s later rise pushed a very different line for rural peasant warfare than these experienced but mostly European revolutionaries. The early advice sent from Stalin’s Comintern swung ideologically in very different directions, from urging a “popular front” during the Northern March led by the Guomindang — leading to the massacre of CP members and supporters by Chiang Kai-shek / Jiang Jieshi in 1927 in Shanghai — to flip-flopping & calling for ultra-left CP-initiated “Soviet” uprisings in cities, where they were doomed to fail and led only to further massacres.
To somehow connect this early Soviet “hard core” influence in the urban worker-based 1920’s Communist movement to disasters over a generation later like Mao’s “Cultural Revolution” … is absurd. It is to misunderstand everything — including the evolving nature of the early Communist Party, its urban/rural division, WWII war experiences, Mao’s own evolving “Cult of Personality” (as his faction came to dominate the Red Army), and the overall transformation of the party from leading a peasant-based army trying to survive Guomindang attacks in war-lord ravished and then Japanese-occupied China, to a group marching into cities, defeating the weakened Guomindang and establishing a new national government.
To identify early “hard-core” Comintern ideology (however you want to define it) with Mao’s distinct and evolving personal view would be mostly wrong, but even more wrong would be to link that element with Mao’s later increasingly anti-materialist ideology, with his “Gang of Four” or its final leader — who happened to be Mao’s last wife Jiang Qing. The members of the Gang of Four and the student leaders of the Cultural Revolution were not carrying out the mission of early Comintern agents who had disappeared more than 30 years earlier. They were not just then supporting Mao’s cult and opposing “Soviet social imperialism” — they had no idea whatever what the latter term even meant! They were simply carrying out a chaotic rebellion against authority, Chinese culture and decency itself at the behest of Mao and his narrow faction, which had been losing power to party bureaucrats, experts and city people since the Great Leap Forward.
Kruska identifying a hardcore “ultra left” with both Stalin’s Comintern and Mao’s Cultural Revolution by itself would be a silly oversimplification, but then to link them with American “woke” democrats or liberals shows above all he shares a fabulist and crackpot view of history.
What is hiding behind his misrepresentations of the history of today’s suddenly “not communist” Communist Party of China … is simply worship of raw political power … of two present day one-man dictators in Russia & China.
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This is where our country is headed. It is well on its way.Two young Chinese athletes made China proud after their showing in the 100 meter hurdles race in the Asian Games. One of them, shown below, won Gold. Yet all the most iconic images of them hugging each other after the race … were “blacked out” in Chinese media and on the internet. Why?
Asian Games: China censors 'Tiananmen' image of athletes hugging
The photo, showing the combination of numbers 6 and 4 , has been scrubbed on Chinese social media.www.bbc.com
No, it wasn’t because their emotional hug might suggest anything improper — though these days reports or images suggesting Lesbian or Gay relationship are often censored, given that the Chinese CCP is encouraging more women to marry and have children. Non-traditional sexual relationships, especially among women, are often looked upon as “unpatriotic” and suspiciously …“Western.”
No, the real reason for the image being censored was simply the coincidence that the “lane numbers” pinned to their running shorts unfortunately together appeared as “6/4” — the date used to refer to the pro-democracy Tiannamen Square demonstrations in 1989 that were ended by the CCP with violence on June 4th. All public internet discussion of “6/4” is verboten in China, and the once massive candlelight rallies in Hong Kong to commemorate the event have also now been forbidden.
Just a little example of the craziness of controlled media and public life in totalitarian China under XiJinping.
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History is fine, but if my knowledge is “shallow”, then I counter with the notion that a lot of people fall the “poor old me” line. Culturally, China is the CCP these days. If there is any left, it’s theme park culture with no depth.
Kruska
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Only to those who don't know any facts about China and the CPC, but who simply oppose China due to it's stance against FAKE democracies and the simple fact of China being an unstoppable economic power (thus also becoming the #1 global military power) for the next 50 years.
Therefore ending and forcing the present imperialistic powers to rethink/alter their Global hegemonic policy.
And that mate is known to everyone who lives in China and/or is "informed" about China, or is a PRC citizen. Therefore NONE of the aforementioned could be bothered about the usual anti-China garbage and propaganda lies, spewed by individuals and the Western Media.
Kruska
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Say's the person who also states:
The temples are not being kept up and traditional Chinese culture is being forgotten
I stand by that. The real Chinese culture is found in Taiwan and the ex-pat communities.
Wu Mao through and through. Most of those “facts” aren’t true.
Kruska
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Off course you stand by that - after all it's totally obvious to anyone that you got no clue whatsoever in regards to China.
Chinese Culture on Taiwan - according to YOU
Chinese Culture in the PRC
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Off course you stand by that - after all it's totally obvious to anyone that you got no clue whatsoever in regards to China.
Chinese Culture on Taiwan - according to YOU
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I don't think konrad has ever left his mom's house. He certainly has never traveled over seas.
Westwall standing with the CCP?!?!
Cherry-picked.
Off course you stand by that - after all it's totally obvious to anyone that you got no clue whatsoever in regards to China.
Chinese Culture on Taiwan - according to YOU
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Just quoting people who do. Check out China Fact Chasers on YouTube.
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