Chev Volt - 10K Cars only in 2011! WTF!!!

[B. Kidd]

Prius doesn't run 40 miles alone on an electric charge.

I don't find it offensive, it just sounds like the Volt is much ado about not much.
Hell, sliced bread is equally groundbreaking.
Why, you buying one?

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

The big question is WHY only 10K models. The PAID to be on wait list is currently at 54K people. These are people who had to pay a few thousand dollars to wait in line. And its still 3 months away from launching. That is 5x what they are going to produce. Amazing!!! I hope after the first 10K get bought up day one, they decide to increase production rapidly!

GM starting slow with the Chevrolet Volt - Jul. 7, 2010

Doesn't GM's board answer to the federal government now?

Yup expect everything to run behind schedule and overbudget.

 

[saveliberty]

I have thought about the alternative fuel car due to my job. Seems to me the technology for natural gas is fairly cheap, makes for a very clean engine and access to fuel can be as close as a pressurization unit attached to your garage.

 

[jeffrockit]

Because it costs more to build tha they are going to sell it for, and they want to limit their losses.

You have a link to that. I saw on the news, that the Volt's profit margin per car will be similar to their other GM vehicles. What they said also is that, due to the significant amount of resources contributed to R & D and design, it will take quite a few cars sold to make a profit!

I personally pray this will happen!
(1) GM Volt TAKES off, better than anyone dreamed! The 10K are already sold, and 45K of 2011 60K are already sold. I see GM bumping Volt production from 60K in 2011 to 200K.
(2) 2011 - I see Tesla (who is in trouble at the moment, after a huge boost in stock sales), finally going into production on their Model S. Getting it to public by 2012. With the demand created by the Volt, I think the Model S takes off.
(3) 2012 - With the Volt success. Mitsubshi, Toyota, Honda, Ford, Chysler, Kia etc start flooding the markets with their electric cars. Volt becomes the highest selling car in America.
(4) 2012 - With the BP oil spill have disaster effects, with oil countries like Venezuela and Iran causing problem, the President will innitiate programs to keep demand for the electric car hight. First, he will raise the electric car tax credit from $7,500 to $10,000 (possibly $12,500). With gas prices starting to dip, the government will raise the gas tax to keep gas prices high!
(5) 2015 - The Break Through Electric Car! Finally the all electric car that gets 500 miles per charge and fully charges in less than 15 mins hits the streets.
(6) 2020 - Electric Car tips the 50% mark on the street.
(7) 2025 - Electric Cars tip the 90% mark ont he street
(8) 2030 - Gas cars of a think of the past!

I was being facetious, so I do not have a link. I could probably make one up if you insist though.

What I am hearing about the Volt does not impress me. You have to remember that this is essentially a Civic Hybrid or a Prius that you can pug in, it will not eliminate gas tanks. It is also expected to cost around $20,000.00 more than either of those cars, at least at first. The only way it will be able to compete on the market is with heavy subsides, something which is entirely possible considering we own GM and have no say in its operation.

While people are clamoring to be "Green" buying electric cars, they fail to realize that the power to charge the batteries will, in a big number, come from coal burning plants. Way to go green!

 

[GHook93]

Prius doesn't run 40 miles alone on an electric charge.

I don't find it offensive, it just sounds like the Volt is much ado about not much.
Hell, sliced bread is equally groundbreaking.
Why, you buying one?

Well smart guy it will eventually have to come. Oil will not be here forever, our current oil consumption might last for 10, 20 or maybe 30 more years tops. Its better we start now while we have plentiful oil supplies!

 

[GHook93]

You have a link to that. I saw on the news, that the Volt's profit margin per car will be similar to their other GM vehicles. What they said also is that, due to the significant amount of resources contributed to R & D and design, it will take quite a few cars sold to make a profit!

I personally pray this will happen!
(1) GM Volt TAKES off, better than anyone dreamed! The 10K are already sold, and 45K of 2011 60K are already sold. I see GM bumping Volt production from 60K in 2011 to 200K.
(2) 2011 - I see Tesla (who is in trouble at the moment, after a huge boost in stock sales), finally going into production on their Model S. Getting it to public by 2012. With the demand created by the Volt, I think the Model S takes off.
(3) 2012 - With the Volt success. Mitsubshi, Toyota, Honda, Ford, Chysler, Kia etc start flooding the markets with their electric cars. Volt becomes the highest selling car in America.
(4) 2012 - With the BP oil spill have disaster effects, with oil countries like Venezuela and Iran causing problem, the President will innitiate programs to keep demand for the electric car hight. First, he will raise the electric car tax credit from $7,500 to $10,000 (possibly $12,500). With gas prices starting to dip, the government will raise the gas tax to keep gas prices high!
(5) 2015 - The Break Through Electric Car! Finally the all electric car that gets 500 miles per charge and fully charges in less than 15 mins hits the streets.
(6) 2020 - Electric Car tips the 50% mark on the street.
(7) 2025 - Electric Cars tip the 90% mark ont he street
(8) 2030 - Gas cars of a think of the past!

I was being facetious, so I do not have a link. I could probably make one up if you insist though.

What I am hearing about the Volt does not impress me. You have to remember that this is essentially a Civic Hybrid or a Prius that you can pug in, it will not eliminate gas tanks. It is also expected to cost around $20,000.00 more than either of those cars, at least at first. The only way it will be able to compete on the market is with heavy subsides, something which is entirely possible considering we own GM and have no say in its operation.

While people are clamoring to be "Green" buying electric cars, they fail to realize that the power to charge the batteries will, in a big number, come from coal burning plants. Way to go green!

See you erroneously believe that someone like me who wants to see an end to our oil addiction also must believe in global warming. I am very skeptical of it.

 

[Old Rocks]

You have a link to that. I saw on the news, that the Volt's profit margin per car will be similar to their other GM vehicles. What they said also is that, due to the significant amount of resources contributed to R & D and design, it will take quite a few cars sold to make a profit!

I personally pray this will happen!
(1) GM Volt TAKES off, better than anyone dreamed! The 10K are already sold, and 45K of 2011 60K are already sold. I see GM bumping Volt production from 60K in 2011 to 200K.
(2) 2011 - I see Tesla (who is in trouble at the moment, after a huge boost in stock sales), finally going into production on their Model S. Getting it to public by 2012. With the demand created by the Volt, I think the Model S takes off.
(3) 2012 - With the Volt success. Mitsubshi, Toyota, Honda, Ford, Chysler, Kia etc start flooding the markets with their electric cars. Volt becomes the highest selling car in America.
(4) 2012 - With the BP oil spill have disaster effects, with oil countries like Venezuela and Iran causing problem, the President will innitiate programs to keep demand for the electric car hight. First, he will raise the electric car tax credit from $7,500 to $10,000 (possibly $12,500). With gas prices starting to dip, the government will raise the gas tax to keep gas prices high!
(5) 2015 - The Break Through Electric Car! Finally the all electric car that gets 500 miles per charge and fully charges in less than 15 mins hits the streets.
(6) 2020 - Electric Car tips the 50% mark on the street.
(7) 2025 - Electric Cars tip the 90% mark ont he street
(8) 2030 - Gas cars of a think of the past!

I was being facetious, so I do not have a link. I could probably make one up if you insist though.

What I am hearing about the Volt does not impress me. You have to remember that this is essentially a Civic Hybrid or a Prius that you can pug in, it will not eliminate gas tanks. It is also expected to cost around $20,000.00 more than either of those cars, at least at first. The only way it will be able to compete on the market is with heavy subsides, something which is entirely possible considering we own GM and have no say in its operation.

While people are clamoring to be "Green" buying electric cars, they fail to realize that the power to charge the batteries will, in a big number, come from coal burning plants. Way to go green!

The efficiencies of modern coal burning plants exceed the ICE by enough that even with the transmission losses, the EV will be less polluting than cars with ICEs.

 

[saveliberty]

We have a significant number of gas powered scooteres around here this summer. Those things are not eco friendly.

 

[jeffrockit]

I was being facetious, so I do not have a link. I could probably make one up if you insist though.

What I am hearing about the Volt does not impress me. You have to remember that this is essentially a Civic Hybrid or a Prius that you can pug in, it will not eliminate gas tanks. It is also expected to cost around $20,000.00 more than either of those cars, at least at first. The only way it will be able to compete on the market is with heavy subsides, something which is entirely possible considering we own GM and have no say in its operation.

While people are clamoring to be "Green" buying electric cars, they fail to realize that the power to charge the batteries will, in a big number, come from coal burning plants. Way to go green!

See you erroneously believe that someone like me who wants to see an end to our oil addiction also must believe in global warming. I am very skeptical of it.

Where in my response did I state anything about GW? I too, would like to see an end to our oil addiction as we are buying a product from countries that really do not like the USA or our way of life.

The problem is that this has become so politicized, the reasonable ideas take a back seat in favor of ideas the seem politically expedient. Both sides would like to claim themselves a winners in solving this problem but only out of a desire to maintain or gain more political power.

The E car situation seems to be putting the cart before the horse because, as i stated, the batters have to be charged with some kind of power source, any of which, the warmers want to put an end too. You have to see the stupidity in this logic.

 

[saveliberty]

Isn't 0bama going to tax electricity heavily? Policy has consequences Mr. President.

 

[topspin]

love the libtards trying to force feed the go cart on steroids on people.
Yes after the 40 miles on electricity the thing uses an GASOLINE alternator to generate more energy for the golf cart engine.
Your still not going to be able to pack the family in the car for a long vacation, also only the SMART car has a higher tooliusmaximus rating. It has taken from the Prius the title of gay' est car on the planet.

 

[GHook93]

love the libtards trying to force feed the go cart on steroids on people.
Yes after the 40 miles on electricity the thing uses an GASOLINE alternator to generate more energy for the golf cart engine.
Your still not going to be able to pack the family in the car for a long vacation, also only the SMART car has a higher tooliusmaximus rating. It has taken from the Prius the title of gay' est car on the planet.

So what do you propose - STATUS QUO!!! Where does that lead:
(1) Buying oil from Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Venezuela, Nigeria (all countries that don't like us much). While Russia, Iran etc get fat off the oil tit?
(2) Wait until the oil producers have no oil left and then we go into a real crisis!

Good ideas chump!

 

[topspin]

suck on your liberal lies.

Lie #1 there's no more substantial oil in the US.
Oh wait we have a well spilling millions of barrels with reserves that may be in the billions. scratch that lie
there are thousands more potential wells as good that libtard won't allow for political football points.
NEXT

 

[Old Rocks]

Topspin, there is no reason to call real electrics golf carts on steroids. First of all, an electric motor develops its maximum torque at zero rpm. That means it is quicker off the line. Next, they are regenerative. When you go down a hill, the motor put juice back into the batteries, whereas an ICE just continues to burn fuel.

And, perhaps most important, both to those that oppose EVs, and to those that support them, the average homeowner will have the ability to create his own fuel for an EV.

 

[Old Rocks]

suck on your liberal lies.

Lie #1 there's no more substantial oil in the US.
Oh wait we have a well spilling millions of barrels with reserves that may be in the billions. scratch that lie
there are thousands more potential wells as good that libtard won't allow for political football points.
NEXT

Comparison of World Oil Reserves

We have about 3% of the worlds reserves, and use about 25% of the worlds oil.

Now the chart is for presently recoverable, at a profit, reserves. As the price of oil goes up, so does the recoverable reserves. However, the accessability of the average citizen to use the oil goes down. At some point, it becomes impractical to continue using oil or fossil fuels. This is without considering the production of GHGs.

 

[topspin]

Yo, failed jokey joke.
With Chineese and Indian auto demand increasing exponentially we are going to need balls to the wall all out effort on an all of the above approaches.
Any retardation of "don't drill in AK, deepwater or any other Hamptons sailing club waters" will ass rape any benefit you get from electric. I've made some nice gains on the hybrid battery inventor so I'm aware and am a supporter of hybrids. I think part of the slow roll is to have supply just under demand to create the impression of greater deman.

 

[topspin]

suck on your liberal lies.

Lie #1 there's no more substantial oil in the US.
Oh wait we have a well spilling millions of barrels with reserves that may be in the billions. scratch that lie
there are thousands more potential wells as good that libtard won't allow for political football points.
NEXT

Comparison of World Oil Reserves

We have about 3% of the worlds reserves, and use about 25% of the worlds oil.

Now the chart is for presently recoverable, at a profit, reserves. As the price of oil goes up, so does the recoverable reserves. However, the accessability of the average citizen to use the oil goes down. At some point, it becomes impractical to continue using oil or fossil fuels. This is without considering the production of GHGs.

forgive me if your in the industry
Reserve estimate are WAG's wild ass guess. And are only SWAG's scientific wild ass guess after you drill an area.
The 3% number is useless other than political football talking point to shut out development.
Our own industry started eating the lies, until one then two and now nearly every major has billion barrell fields in the Gulf where libtards said there was no more oil.
NEXT

 

[Old Rocks]

Can't ever remember a single geologist I know stating that there was no more oil in the Gulf. However, we are now seeing the real cost of recovering that oil.

And the Indians and Chinese are presently doing some very interesting things in the non-ICE vehicles.

 

[Old Rocks]

suck on your liberal lies.

Lie #1 there's no more substantial oil in the US.
Oh wait we have a well spilling millions of barrels with reserves that may be in the billions. scratch that lie
there are thousands more potential wells as good that libtard won't allow for political football points.
NEXT

Comparison of World Oil Reserves

We have about 3% of the worlds reserves, and use about 25% of the worlds oil.

Now the chart is for presently recoverable, at a profit, reserves. As the price of oil goes up, so does the recoverable reserves. However, the accessability of the average citizen to use the oil goes down. At some point, it becomes impractical to continue using oil or fossil fuels. This is without considering the production of GHGs.

forgive me if your in the industry
Reserve estimate are WAG's wild ass guess. And are only SWAG's scientific wild ass guess after you drill an area.
The 3% number is useless other than political football talking point to shut out development.
Our own industry started eating the lies, until one then two and now nearly every major has billion barrell fields in the Gulf where libtards said there was no more oil.
NEXT

Note that I stated the ratio of recoverable oil to the demand or price. Have you ever read any of Hubbert's work? Note that his graph still holds, even with the gulf oil, and that of Alaska.

 

[Old Rocks]

Yo, failed jokey joke.
With Chineese and Indian auto demand increasing exponentially we are going to need balls to the wall all out effort on an all of the above approaches.
Any retardation of "don't drill in AK, deepwater or any other Hamptons sailing club waters" will ass rape any benefit you get from electric. I've made some nice gains on the hybrid battery inventor so I'm aware and am a supporter of hybrids. I think part of the slow roll is to have supply just under demand to create the impression of greater deman.

Hmmm....... I failed to see that you were engaging in sarcasm.

I am not personally interested in the benefit society as a whole will get from EVs or very efficient hybrids. I am interested in the benefit that I can get from them. The idea of producing my own power for my home and fuel for my vehicle means that I have much more of my income left for other things. Like travel.