CDC Confirms Remarkably Low Death Rate - Media Chooses To Ignore COVID-19 Realities

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The percentage of deaths doesn't matter all that much when the total number of deaths in two months goes over 100,000. Does that make you feel secure?
It’s been closer to four months and if Colorado is any indication, the real number is likely closer to 80,000, fewer than the flu of 1968-69.
Also consider the very specific demographic of most deaths (many of which could have been avoided) and you begin to see a pattern of hysterical hype.
Nope.

Likely 120k right now, not less... all corona virus deaths outside of hospital, are not counted....in Feb and March as example, in NYC their was 40% increase in their average deaths for Feb and March....40% increase over deaths in their state in 2019 not counted in covid count.

And in just 2 months,

Not a full year... 80k was for a year to year and a half, death total.....

The 100k deaths from corona virus is for just deaths in April and May

100k deaths is in just 2 months... And we are only in the 2nd inning... the virus continues, deaths continues.... likely 250,000 dead, through Dec 2020
February through May is four months. What is your source for underestimation? I provided Colorado as an example of overestimation.
It sounds like you’re hoping for worse news.
I'm not hoping for deaths, for goodness sake!!!

We just need to know the facts...know History, and not alternative facts...

There’s every reason to believe that in the United States, as in Italy, there are Covid-19 deaths that aren’t tabulated in the official numbers. On April 7, Gothamist looked at the excess death numbers in New York and concluded that the average of 245 Covid-19 deaths per day from the previous week needs to be supplemented by excess death numbers that are almost as large. As the news site reported, “Another 200 city residents are now dying at home each day, compared to 20 to 25 such deaths before the pandemic, said Aja Worthy-Davis, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner’s office. And an untold number of them are unconfirmed.”

Thats NYC. And it’s speculative so you know it’s exaggerated.
The disease kills old people.
So killing old people is A Ok, Mr Death Panel?

Sheesh!

AND NO, the disease doesn't just kill old people crowded in nursing homes.

Meat processors, and grocery store clerks, and prisoners, and public service workers, and doctors and nurses, and anyone in confined spaces that spreads the disease easily, are at risk... So are babies and small children....
Which MORONS in this country put infected back into Nursing homes........hint they were in Blue Hive States and cities.......

You ready to fire their sorry asses...............
All States Did It! Not just blue states and...

As you should KNOW by now, that it was the FEDERAL GOVT'S CDC, that issued the March 13th guidelines of putting those nursing home residents who had covid and were hospitalized, then released from the Hospital... to do their remaining recovery, back in to the resident's nursing home, even if still not fully recovered with a negative test..... not any of the governors ideas.... but the Federal CDC guidelines.

There were guidelines that included separating the covid patients in to a different ward, having the staff exclusively for the covid ward residents and not a shared staff with those residents not infected, separate entrances to the covid ward and a lot of other CDC guidelines to do such....

Which the States followed
DNC a party of excuses..............blaming others for their mistakes.......and in this case manslaughter territory........

Florida sent National Guard teams to Nursing homes........didn't happen there......Your narrative just hit an Iceberg.

I'm back at work..........12 of 120 plus from out company alone...........rest of those jobs are gone for most of the rest of the year..........along with all the other contractors........

Over this stupid virus........0.2% virus and WE BURNED OUR HOUSE DOWN.....STUPIDITY IN MOTION.
There is no party nothing here.....

Both Republican and Democratic governors followed the CDC guidelines put out by them, on how to handle covid in Nursing Homes....including their guideline on taking back in to the Nursing Home, residents who had been hospitalized with covid and then released by the Hospitals.
BS............many states did well at Nursing homes............they didn't put infected back in to the homes.

People like Cuomo should be thrown out of office.........he didn't even know his policy


He didn't know the policy of the most vulnerable.....and here you are defending his actions.

derp
His heath administrator issued word for word, the guidelines of the CDC, for all Nursing Homes....with one addition....

If the Nursing Homes could not meet the CDC Nursing Home Guidelines, then they were to contact the NY Health Dept and the Health Dept would help them find a Home for them.

WORD FOR WORD

The New York and other State's policies for Nursing Homes, was FROM the CDC Guideline for Nursing Homes.

All State death counts on COVID have nursing home deaths and all states Nursing Home Deaths are the largest single group of people killed by COVID in each state.

Some States fared better than others because they did not have an overflow of other COVID patients in their Hospitals, so they kept the NH Residents longer, in their Hospitals, including full recovery time, is my best guess....
 

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The percentage of deaths doesn't matter all that much when the total number of deaths in two months goes over 100,000. Does that make you feel secure?
It’s been closer to four months and if Colorado is any indication, the real number is likely closer to 80,000, fewer than the flu of 1968-69.
Also consider the very specific demographic of most deaths (many of which could have been avoided) and you begin to see a pattern of hysterical hype.
Nope.

Likely 120k right now, not less... all corona virus deaths outside of hospital, are not counted....in Feb and March as example, in NYC their was 40% increase in their average deaths for Feb and March....40% increase over deaths in their state in 2019 not counted in covid count.

And in just 2 months,

Not a full year... 80k was for a year to year and a half, death total.....

The 100k deaths from corona virus is for just deaths in April and May

100k deaths is in just 2 months... And we are only in the 2nd inning... the virus continues, deaths continues.... likely 250,000 dead, through Dec 2020
February through May is four months. What is your source for underestimation? I provided Colorado as an example of overestimation.
It sounds like you’re hoping for worse news.
I'm not hoping for deaths, for goodness sake!!!

We just need to know the facts...know History, and not alternative facts...

There’s every reason to believe that in the United States, as in Italy, there are Covid-19 deaths that aren’t tabulated in the official numbers. On April 7, Gothamist looked at the excess death numbers in New York and concluded that the average of 245 Covid-19 deaths per day from the previous week needs to be supplemented by excess death numbers that are almost as large. As the news site reported, “Another 200 city residents are now dying at home each day, compared to 20 to 25 such deaths before the pandemic, said Aja Worthy-Davis, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner’s office. And an untold number of them are unconfirmed.”

Thats NYC. And it’s speculative so you know it’s exaggerated.
The disease kills old people.
So killing old people is A Ok, Mr Death Panel?

Sheesh!

AND NO, the disease doesn't just kill old people crowded in nursing homes.

Meat processors, and grocery store clerks, and prisoners, and public service workers, and doctors and nurses, and anyone in confined spaces that spreads the disease easily, are at risk... So are babies and small children....
Which MORONS in this country put infected back into Nursing homes........hint they were in Blue Hive States and cities.......

You ready to fire their sorry asses...............
All States Did It! Not just blue states and...

As you should KNOW by now, that it was the FEDERAL GOVT'S CDC, that issued the March 13th guidelines of putting those nursing home residents who had covid and were hospitalized, then released from the Hospital... to do their remaining recovery, back in to the resident's nursing home, even if still not fully recovered with a negative test..... not any of the governors ideas.... but the Federal CDC guidelines.

There were guidelines that included separating the covid patients in to a different ward, having the staff exclusively for the covid ward residents and not a shared staff with those residents not infected, separate entrances to the covid ward and a lot of other CDC guidelines to do such....

Which the States followed
DNC a party of excuses..............blaming others for their mistakes.......and in this case manslaughter territory........

Florida sent National Guard teams to Nursing homes........didn't happen there......Your narrative just hit an Iceberg.

I'm back at work..........12 of 120 plus from out company alone...........rest of those jobs are gone for most of the rest of the year..........along with all the other contractors........

Over this stupid virus........0.2% virus and WE BURNED OUR HOUSE DOWN.....STUPIDITY IN MOTION.
Jimminy, you are off your rocker!

The CDC issued guidelines that there should be 6 ft of separation between all people, and no groups larger than 10,

THAT is when ALL states, including my Governor, began their shutdowns.... except the essential businesses that also were cdc guidelines

trying to rewrite history now, is just typical of you Trumpers.....!!!! :rolleyes:

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ALL MAJOR LEAGUE Sports,

Shut down,

before the States shut down....

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The Stock Market CRASHED

BEFORE the States shut down....

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The mortality rate estimate is now two and a half times greater than the flu, 0.25% vs 0.1%

AND it is MORE contagious.... the infection spreads faster so it reaches more people, mortality rate is based on how many catch it..... if more people catch it at a faster rate, then many more deaths, ten times the low end deaths of the flu can and will likely, occur by year's end...... and average flu year is from 24k to 52k and about 36k as the median, in a year's time.....

we are at 100k deaths for just April and May.....

The shutdown SAVED US from that number likely being doubled over the next couple of months.

So the CDC guidance of shelter at home, will save about 100k additional American lives over the next two months.....

Then all hell is going to break loose again, with all of these openings, let alone unprotected rioters foolishly out there, and the resistance by Trumpers to wear masks, and social distance....

Let's hope we have an organized plan next time around, instead of willy nilly and shutting down everything..... pray!
Excuses.........and most of the mistakes by Dems running the show who did a purge on the elderly .............Nice going .......and you sit here defending them.

pffft.
let me do your homework for you, these are the CDC GUIDELINES FOR NURSING HOMES and New York State's guidelines, word for word.....



establishing a designated COVID-19 care unit for residents with confirmed COVID-19

  • Determine the location of the COVID-19 care unit and create a staffing plan before residents or HCP with COVID-19 are identified in the facility. This will allow time for residents to be relocated to create space for the unit and to identify HCP to work on this unit.
    • Facilities that have already identified cases of COVID-19 among residents but have not developed a COVID-19 care unit, should work to create one unless the proportion of residents with COVID-19 makes this impossible (e.g., the majority of residents in the facility are already infected).
  • Ideally the unit should be physically separated from other rooms or units housing residents without confirmed COVID-19.
    • Depending on facility capacity (e.g., staffing, supplies) to care for affected residents, the COVID-19 care unit could be a separate floor, wing, or cluster of rooms.
  • Assign dedicated HCP to work only on the COVID-19 care unit. At a minimum this should include the primary nursing assistants (NAs) and nurses assigned to care for these residents. HCP working on the COVID-19 care unit should ideally have a restroom, break room, and work area that are separate from HCP working in other areas of the facility.
    • To the extent possible, restrict access of ancillary personnel (e.g., dietary) to the unit.
    • Assign environmental services [EVS] staff to work only on the unit.
      • If there are not a sufficient number of EVS staff to dedicate to this unit despite efforts to mitigate staffing shortages, restrict their access to the unit. Also, assign HCP dedicated to the COVID-19 care unit (e.g., NAs) to perform cleaning and disinfection of high-touch surfaces and shared equipment when in the room for resident care activities. HCP should bring an Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)-registered disinfectant (e.g., wipe) from List Nexternal icon into the room and wipe down high touch surfaces (e.g., light switch, doorknob, bedside table) before leaving the room.
    • Ensure that high-touch surfaces in staff break rooms and work areas are frequently cleaned and disinfected (e.g., each shift).
    • Ensure HCP practice source control measures and social distancing in the break room and other common areas (i.e., HCP wear a facemask and sit more than 6 feet apart while on break).
  • Place signage at the entrance to the COVID-19 care unit that instructs HCP they must wear eye protection and an N95 or higher-level respirator (or facemask if a respirator is not available) at all times while on the unit. Gowns and gloves should be added when entering resident rooms.
  • Ensure that HCP have been trained on infection prevention measures, including the use of and steps to properly put on and remove recommended personal protective equipment (PPE).
  • If PPE shortages exist, implement strategies to optimize PPE supplyon the unit, such as:
    • Bundle care activities to minimize the number of HCP entries into a room.
    • Consider extended use of respirators (or facemasks if respirators are not available), eye protection, and gowns. Limited reuse of PPE may also be considered.
    • Consider prioritizing gown use for high-contact resident care activities and activities where splash or spray exposures are anticipated.
  • Assign dedicated resident care equipment (e.g., vitals machine) to the cohort unit. Cleaning and disinfection of shared equipment should be performed between residents and the equipment should not leave the cohort unit.
Considerations for new admissions or readmissions to the facility

  • Newly admitted and readmitted residents with confirmed COVID-19 who have not met criteria for discontinuation of Transmission-Based Precautions should go to the designated COVID-19 care unit.
  • Newly admitted and readmitted residents with COVID-19 who have met criteria for discontinuation of Transmission-Based Precautions can go to a regular unit.
    • If Transmission-Based Precautions have been discontinued, but the resident with COVID-19 remains symptomatic (i.e., persistent symptoms or chronic symptoms above baseline), they can be housed on a regular unit but should remain in a private room until symptoms resolve or return to baseline. These individuals should remain in their rooms to the extent possible during this time period. If they must leave their rooms, facilities should reinforce adherence to universal source control policies and social distancing [e.g., perform frequent hand hygiene, have the resident wear a cloth face covering or facemask (if tolerated) and remain at least 6 feet away from others when outside of their room].
  • Create a plan for managing new admissions and readmissions whose COVID-19 status is unknown. Options include placement in a single room or in a separate observation area so the resident can be monitored for evidence of COVID-19.
    • All recommended COVID-19 PPE should be worn during care of residents under observation, which includes use of an N95 or higher-level respirator (or facemask if a respirator is not available), eye protection (i.e., goggles or a disposable face shield that covers the front and sides of the face), gloves, and gown.
    • Testing residents upon admission could identify those who are infected but otherwise without symptoms and might help direct placement of asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2-infected residents into the COVID-19 care unit. However, a single negative test upon admission does not mean that the resident was not exposed or will not become infected in the future. Newly admitted or readmitted residents should still be monitored for evidence of COVID-19 for 14 days after admission and cared for using all recommended COVID-19 PPE. Testing should not be required prior to transfer of a resident from an acute-care facility to a nursing home.
  • New residents could be transferred out of the observation area or from a single to a multi-resident room if they remain afebrile and without symptoms for 14 days after their last exposure (e.g., date of admission). Testing at the end of this period could be considered to increase certainty.
Response to Newly Identified SARS-CoV-2-infected HCP or Residents
HCP who worked with symptoms consistent with COVID-19 or in the 48 hours prior to symptom onset

  • Prioritize these HCP for SARS-CoV-2 testing. Exclude HCP with COVID-19 from work until they have met all return to work criteria.
  • Determine which residents received direct care from and which HCP had unprotected exposure to HCP who worked with symptoms consistent with COVID-19 or in the 48 hours prior to symptom onset.
    • Residents who were cared for by these HCP should be restricted to their room and be cared for using all recommended COVID-19 PPE until results of HCP COVID-19 testing are known. If the HCP is diagnosed with COVID-19, residents should be cared for using all recommended COVID-19 PPE until 14 days after last exposure and prioritized for testing if they develop symptoms.
    • Exposed HCP should be assessed for risk and need for work exclusion.
  • If testing is available, asymptomatic residents and HCP who were exposed to HCP with COVID-19 should be considered for testing (see information on testing below). If testing identifies infections among additional HCP, further evaluation for infections among residents and HCP exposed to those individuals should be performed as described above.
Resident with new-onset suspected or confirmed COVID-19

  • Ensure the resident is isolated and cared for using all recommended COVID-19 PPE. Place the resident in a single room if possible pending results of SARS-CoV-2 testing.
    • Cohorting residents on the same unit based on symptoms alone could result in inadvertent mixing of infected and non-infected residents (e.g., residents who have fever, for example, due to a non-COVID-19 illness could be put at risk if moved to a COVID-19 unit).
    • If cohorting symptomatic residents, care should be taken to ensure infection prevention and control interventions are in place to decrease the risk of cross-transmission.
  • If the resident is confirmed to have COVID-19, regardless of symptoms, they should be transferred to the designated COVID-19 care unit.
  • Roommates of residents with COVID-19 should be considered exposed and potentially infected and, if at all possible,should not share rooms with other residents unless they remain asymptomatic and/or have tested negative for SARS-CoV-2 14 days after their last exposure (e.g., date their roommate was moved to the COVID-19 care unit).
    • Exposed residents may be permitted to room share with other exposed residents if space is not available for them to remain in a single room.
  • Consider temporarily halting admissions to the facility, at least until the extent of transmission can be clarified and interventions can be implemented.
  • Increase monitoring of ill residents, including assessment of symptoms, vital signs, oxygen saturation via pulse oximetry, and respiratory exam, to at least 3 times daily to identify and quickly manage serious infections.
    • Consider increasing monitoring of asymptomatic residents from daily to every shift to more rapidly detect any residents with new symptoms.
  • Counsel all residents to restrict themselves to their room to the extent possible.
  • HCP should use all recommended COVID-19 PPEfor the care of all residents on affected units (or facility-wide if cases are widespread); this includes both symptomatic and asymptomatic residents.
    • If HCP PPE supply is limited, implement strategies to optimize PPE supply, which might include extended use of respirators, facemasks, and eye protection and limiting gown use to high-contact care activities and those where splashes and sprays are anticipated. Broader testing could be utilized to prioritize PPE supplies (see section on using testing).
  • Notify HCP, residents, and families and reinforce basic infection control practices within the facility (e.g., hand hygiene, PPE use, environmental cleaning).
  • Maintain all interventions while assessing for new clinical cases (symptomatic residents):
    • Maintain Transmission-Based Precautions for all residents on the unit at least until there are no additional clinical cases for 14 days after implementation of all recommended interventions.
    • If testing is available, asymptomatic residents and HCP who were exposed to the resident with COVID-19 (e.g., on the same unit) should be considered for testing
    • The incubation period for COVID-19 can be up to 14 days and the identification of a new case within a week to 10 days of starting the interventions does not necessarily represent a failure of the interventions implemented to control transmission.
Use of Testing to Inform the Response to COVID-19 in Nursing Homes
Considerations for use of COVID testing to inform cohort decisions

  • If testing supplies or capacity are limited, testing of symptomatic HCP and symptomatic residents should be prioritized.
    • If unit-wide or facility-wide testing is not available in response to newly identified SARS-CoV-2 infected residents or HCP, moving any residents other than those confirmed to have COVID-19 should be done with caution given the risk of asymptomatic infection; in those situations, all recommended COVID-19 PPE should be used during care of all residents on the affected unit or facility.
  • If testing capacity allows, use of facility-wide testing following identification of newly identified SARS-CoV-2 infected residents or HCP could be particularly important. Facility-wide testing can help identify asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic residents with COVID-19 to guide movement into COVID-19 designated spaces.

For additional information on testing in response to COVID-19 in nursing homes please refer to Considerations for Use of Test-Based Strategies for Preventing SARS-CoV-2 Transmission in Nursing Homes.
 

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The percentage of deaths doesn't matter all that much when the total number of deaths in two months goes over 100,000. Does that make you feel secure?
It’s been closer to four months and if Colorado is any indication, the real number is likely closer to 80,000, fewer than the flu of 1968-69.
Also consider the very specific demographic of most deaths (many of which could have been avoided) and you begin to see a pattern of hysterical hype.
Nope.

Likely 120k right now, not less... all corona virus deaths outside of hospital, are not counted....in Feb and March as example, in NYC their was 40% increase in their average deaths for Feb and March....40% increase over deaths in their state in 2019 not counted in covid count.

And in just 2 months,

Not a full year... 80k was for a year to year and a half, death total.....

The 100k deaths from corona virus is for just deaths in April and May

100k deaths is in just 2 months... And we are only in the 2nd inning... the virus continues, deaths continues.... likely 250,000 dead, through Dec 2020
February through May is four months. What is your source for underestimation? I provided Colorado as an example of overestimation.
It sounds like you’re hoping for worse news.
I'm not hoping for deaths, for goodness sake!!!

We just need to know the facts...know History, and not alternative facts...

There’s every reason to believe that in the United States, as in Italy, there are Covid-19 deaths that aren’t tabulated in the official numbers. On April 7, Gothamist looked at the excess death numbers in New York and concluded that the average of 245 Covid-19 deaths per day from the previous week needs to be supplemented by excess death numbers that are almost as large. As the news site reported, “Another 200 city residents are now dying at home each day, compared to 20 to 25 such deaths before the pandemic, said Aja Worthy-Davis, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner’s office. And an untold number of them are unconfirmed.”

Thats NYC. And it’s speculative so you know it’s exaggerated.
The disease kills old people.
So killing old people is A Ok, Mr Death Panel?

Sheesh!

AND NO, the disease doesn't just kill old people crowded in nursing homes.

Meat processors, and grocery store clerks, and prisoners, and public service workers, and doctors and nurses, and anyone in confined spaces that spreads the disease easily, are at risk... So are babies and small children....
Which MORONS in this country put infected back into Nursing homes........hint they were in Blue Hive States and cities.......

You ready to fire their sorry asses...............
All States Did It! Not just blue states and...

As you should KNOW by now, that it was the FEDERAL GOVT'S CDC, that issued the March 13th guidelines of putting those nursing home residents who had covid and were hospitalized, then released from the Hospital... to do their remaining recovery, back in to the resident's nursing home, even if still not fully recovered with a negative test..... not any of the governors ideas.... but the Federal CDC guidelines.

There were guidelines that included separating the covid patients in to a different ward, having the staff exclusively for the covid ward residents and not a shared staff with those residents not infected, separate entrances to the covid ward and a lot of other CDC guidelines to do such....

Which the States followed
DNC a party of excuses..............blaming others for their mistakes.......and in this case manslaughter territory........

Florida sent National Guard teams to Nursing homes........didn't happen there......Your narrative just hit an Iceberg.

I'm back at work..........12 of 120 plus from out company alone...........rest of those jobs are gone for most of the rest of the year..........along with all the other contractors........

Over this stupid virus........0.2% virus and WE BURNED OUR HOUSE DOWN.....STUPIDITY IN MOTION.
There is no party nothing here.....

Both Republican and Democratic governors followed the CDC guidelines put out by them, on how to handle covid in Nursing Homes....including their guideline on taking back in to the Nursing Home, residents who had been hospitalized with covid and then released by the Hospitals.
At governors’ discretion. It was obvious already by the time the lockdowns began that elderly were at the highest degree of risk. You’re making excuses for cuomo.
Nope!

It was NOT KNOWN, because the CDC did not require the Nursing Home Deaths be reported to them and included in the death counts,

Only testing positive to covid deaths in the Hospitals were counted.....

so these deaths in all Nursing homes throughout the United States, were NOT in our COVID Death counts or even on the Radar....

IT WAS A MISTAKE..... to not count Nursing Home deaths if they had not had a positive COVID Test....


And this ALL BOILS DOWN TO.....

NOT having enough tests from the get go.....

We need to LEARN from our mistakes, so we handle the next pandemic or the 2nd coming of this one..... BETTER!!! Not ignore what the CDC got wrong....
 

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Democrat Response to Coronavirus: End Trump’s Travel Bans on China, Iran
JOHN BINDER 11 Mar 2020 2:58

House and Senate Democrats are responding to the coronavirus outbreak in the United States by supporting measures to effectively strip President Trump of his authority to impose travel bans to protect American citizens.

While Trump has implemented travel bans on China and Iran — two of the most coronavirus-affected nations in the world — House Democrats are looking to roll back the president’s authority to enact travel bans from regions of the world.

see, it is fake news like this crap that your fake news media like Briebart and TownHall etc. passes on to you that makes every situation of right against left much worse.... because it is based on lies....
The way the article and headline is written, it is as though your fake media is trying to push their own talking points and agenda to blame democrats for something...

This House bill was introduced in 2019, April of 2019..... yet you are passing it on, as if this bill was introduced in 2020 to purposely squash Trump's ban on travel from China due to the Corona virus.... when it had nothing to do with the Corona virus....

NOT ONCE did the article from Briebart mention that this limitation of the president to ban travel was introduced in 2019.....IT'S DECEIVING.

I'm certain your other articles posted from your fake news media who have no Journalistic credentials as a News source are all some sort of FAKE news as well..... with some truth like, yes there was a bill introduced by a person in congress who tried to limit the President's travel bans, but they failed to tell you, WHY AND WHEN this limitations of travel bans of the president was introduced, in April of 2019 and had NOTHING to do with China and the Pandemic.
Here are the FACTS refuting your argument. This is the Proclamation addressed in the article which you obviously did not read or follow to the source.

From my source, please show us what is not true, supported with your reliable source and working link.

"The legislation would mandate Trump “only issue a restriction when required to address a compelling government interest,” though that interest is not defined. Before imposing a travel ban, Trump would have to “consult with Congress,” the legislation dictates.

Likewise, Democrat Senators Christopher Murphy (D-CT), Christopher Coons (D-DE), Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), and Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) have introduced legislation to stop Trump’s recent expansion of a travel ban on some legal immigration from Burma, Eritrea, Kyrgyzstan, Nigeria, Tanzania, and Sudan, along with Iran, Libya, North Korea, Somalia, Syria, Venezuela, and Yemen."

The legislation states:

No funds, resources, or fees made available to the Secretary of Homeland Security, or to any other official of a Federal agency, by any Act of Congress for any fiscal year may be used to implement or enforce Presidential Proclamation 9983 … which restricts the entry into the United States of nationals of certain countries.

What does Proclamation 9983 do?
It orders that the U.S. will not grant immigrant visas for people from Burma/Myanmar, Eritrea, Kyrgyzstan, and Nigeria. It will suspend participation of people from Sudan and Tanzania in the Diversity Visa Program. The restrictions will not apply to tourist, business or other nonimmigrant travel.

When does Proclamation 9983 come into effect?
The effective date for Proclamation 9983 is February 21, 2020.

I refute none of that....

Why I called it fake news, is because Right wingers are CLAIMING and INSINUATING that Democrats introduced this Bill because they were upset that Trump issued a ban from China regarding this Pandemic....

And the Bill introduced over A YEAR AGO, had NOTHING to do with this Pandemic.....
 

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The percentage of deaths doesn't matter all that much when the total number of deaths in two months goes over 100,000. Does that make you feel secure?
It’s been closer to four months and if Colorado is any indication, the real number is likely closer to 80,000, fewer than the flu of 1968-69.
Also consider the very specific demographic of most deaths (many of which could have been avoided) and you begin to see a pattern of hysterical hype.
Nope.

Likely 120k right now, not less... all corona virus deaths outside of hospital, are not counted....in Feb and March as example, in NYC their was 40% increase in their average deaths for Feb and March....40% increase over deaths in their state in 2019 not counted in covid count.

And in just 2 months,

Not a full year... 80k was for a year to year and a half, death total.....

The 100k deaths from corona virus is for just deaths in April and May

100k deaths is in just 2 months... And we are only in the 2nd inning... the virus continues, deaths continues.... likely 250,000 dead, through Dec 2020
February through May is four months. What is your source for underestimation? I provided Colorado as an example of overestimation.
It sounds like you’re hoping for worse news.
I'm not hoping for deaths, for goodness sake!!!

We just need to know the facts...know History, and not alternative facts...

There’s every reason to believe that in the United States, as in Italy, there are Covid-19 deaths that aren’t tabulated in the official numbers. On April 7, Gothamist looked at the excess death numbers in New York and concluded that the average of 245 Covid-19 deaths per day from the previous week needs to be supplemented by excess death numbers that are almost as large. As the news site reported, “Another 200 city residents are now dying at home each day, compared to 20 to 25 such deaths before the pandemic, said Aja Worthy-Davis, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner’s office. And an untold number of them are unconfirmed.”

Thats NYC. And it’s speculative so you know it’s exaggerated.
The disease kills old people.
So killing old people is A Ok, Mr Death Panel?

Sheesh!

AND NO, the disease doesn't just kill old people crowded in nursing homes.

Meat processors, and grocery store clerks, and prisoners, and public service workers, and doctors and nurses, and anyone in confined spaces that spreads the disease easily, are at risk... So are babies and small children....
Which MORONS in this country put infected back into Nursing homes........hint they were in Blue Hive States and cities.......

You ready to fire their sorry asses...............
All States Did It! Not just blue states and...

As you should KNOW by now, that it was the FEDERAL GOVT'S CDC, that issued the March 13th guidelines of putting those nursing home residents who had covid and were hospitalized, then released from the Hospital... to do their remaining recovery, back in to the resident's nursing home, even if still not fully recovered with a negative test..... not any of the governors ideas.... but the Federal CDC guidelines.

There were guidelines that included separating the covid patients in to a different ward, having the staff exclusively for the covid ward residents and not a shared staff with those residents not infected, separate entrances to the covid ward and a lot of other CDC guidelines to do such....

Which the States followed
DNC a party of excuses..............blaming others for their mistakes.......and in this case manslaughter territory........

Florida sent National Guard teams to Nursing homes........didn't happen there......Your narrative just hit an Iceberg.

I'm back at work..........12 of 120 plus from out company alone...........rest of those jobs are gone for most of the rest of the year..........along with all the other contractors........

Over this stupid virus........0.2% virus and WE BURNED OUR HOUSE DOWN.....STUPIDITY IN MOTION.
There is no party nothing here.....

Both Republican and Democratic governors followed the CDC guidelines put out by them, on how to handle covid in Nursing Homes....including their guideline on taking back in to the Nursing Home, residents who had been hospitalized with covid and then released by the Hospitals.
At governors’ discretion. It was obvious already by the time the lockdowns began that elderly were at the highest degree of risk. You’re making excuses for cuomo.
Nope!

It was NOT KNOWN, because the CDC did not require the Nursing Home Deaths be reported to them and included in the death counts,

Only testing positive to covid deaths in the Hospitals were counted.....

so these deaths in all Nursing homes throughout the United States, were NOT in our COVID Death counts or even on the Radar....

IT WAS A MISTAKE..... to not count Nursing Home deaths if they had not had a positive COVID Test....


And this ALL BOILS DOWN TO.....

NOT having enough tests from the get go.....

We need to LEARN from our mistakes, so we handle the next pandemic or the 2nd coming of this one..... BETTER!!! Not ignore what the CDC got wrong....
It was determined before lockdowns began that seniors were at greater risk. Cuomo should and could have done what FL did. Instead he did the reverse.
 

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The percentage of deaths doesn't matter all that much when the total number of deaths in two months goes over 100,000. Does that make you feel secure?
It’s been closer to four months and if Colorado is any indication, the real number is likely closer to 80,000, fewer than the flu of 1968-69.
Also consider the very specific demographic of most deaths (many of which could have been avoided) and you begin to see a pattern of hysterical hype.
Nope.

Likely 120k right now, not less... all corona virus deaths outside of hospital, are not counted....in Feb and March as example, in NYC their was 40% increase in their average deaths for Feb and March....40% increase over deaths in their state in 2019 not counted in covid count.

And in just 2 months,

Not a full year... 80k was for a year to year and a half, death total.....

The 100k deaths from corona virus is for just deaths in April and May

100k deaths is in just 2 months... And we are only in the 2nd inning... the virus continues, deaths continues.... likely 250,000 dead, through Dec 2020
February through May is four months. What is your source for underestimation? I provided Colorado as an example of overestimation.
It sounds like you’re hoping for worse news.
I'm not hoping for deaths, for goodness sake!!!

We just need to know the facts...know History, and not alternative facts...

There’s every reason to believe that in the United States, as in Italy, there are Covid-19 deaths that aren’t tabulated in the official numbers. On April 7, Gothamist looked at the excess death numbers in New York and concluded that the average of 245 Covid-19 deaths per day from the previous week needs to be supplemented by excess death numbers that are almost as large. As the news site reported, “Another 200 city residents are now dying at home each day, compared to 20 to 25 such deaths before the pandemic, said Aja Worthy-Davis, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner’s office. And an untold number of them are unconfirmed.”

Thats NYC. And it’s speculative so you know it’s exaggerated.
The disease kills old people.
So killing old people is A Ok, Mr Death Panel?

Sheesh!

AND NO, the disease doesn't just kill old people crowded in nursing homes.

Meat processors, and grocery store clerks, and prisoners, and public service workers, and doctors and nurses, and anyone in confined spaces that spreads the disease easily, are at risk... So are babies and small children....
Which MORONS in this country put infected back into Nursing homes........hint they were in Blue Hive States and cities.......

You ready to fire their sorry asses...............
All States Did It! Not just blue states and...

As you should KNOW by now, that it was the FEDERAL GOVT'S CDC, that issued the March 13th guidelines of putting those nursing home residents who had covid and were hospitalized, then released from the Hospital... to do their remaining recovery, back in to the resident's nursing home, even if still not fully recovered with a negative test..... not any of the governors ideas.... but the Federal CDC guidelines.

There were guidelines that included separating the covid patients in to a different ward, having the staff exclusively for the covid ward residents and not a shared staff with those residents not infected, separate entrances to the covid ward and a lot of other CDC guidelines to do such....

Which the States followed
DNC a party of excuses..............blaming others for their mistakes.......and in this case manslaughter territory........

Florida sent National Guard teams to Nursing homes........didn't happen there......Your narrative just hit an Iceberg.

I'm back at work..........12 of 120 plus from out company alone...........rest of those jobs are gone for most of the rest of the year..........along with all the other contractors........

Over this stupid virus........0.2% virus and WE BURNED OUR HOUSE DOWN.....STUPIDITY IN MOTION.
There is no party nothing here.....

Both Republican and Democratic governors followed the CDC guidelines put out by them, on how to handle covid in Nursing Homes....including their guideline on taking back in to the Nursing Home, residents who had been hospitalized with covid and then released by the Hospitals.
At governors’ discretion. It was obvious already by the time the lockdowns began that elderly were at the highest degree of risk. You’re making excuses for cuomo.
Nope!

It was NOT KNOWN, because the CDC did not require the Nursing Home Deaths be reported to them and included in the death counts,

Only testing positive to covid deaths in the Hospitals were counted.....

so these deaths in all Nursing homes throughout the United States, were NOT in our COVID Death counts or even on the Radar....

IT WAS A MISTAKE..... to not count Nursing Home deaths if they had not had a positive COVID Test....


And this ALL BOILS DOWN TO.....

NOT having enough tests from the get go.....

We need to LEARN from our mistakes, so we handle the next pandemic or the 2nd coming of this one..... BETTER!!! Not ignore what the CDC got wrong....
It was determined before lockdowns began that seniors were at greater risk. Cuomo should and could have done what FL did. Instead he did the reverse.
yes, but the CDC GAVE those as their guidelines, because the cdc scientists and doctors, believed their measures would work for nursing homes.... and did not change them, even when deaths in nursing homes were rising.... because they did not believe the nursing home spread was caused by the covid ward residents there, but by the staff bringing the disease in to the home and then resident passing it to resident..... no early testing was the blind leading the blind...

their CDC guidelines for nursing homes came out March 13th and the Agency in charge of nursing home requirements issued their new rules following the CDC guidelines came out March 30th.

 
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Was sending live sick elderly patients back into nursing homes with thier very own body bags for later use part of those cdc guidelines or did the powers that be in Albany and Manhattan make that the reality of what happened

The buck stops in Albany and Gracie Mansion
 

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The percentage of deaths doesn't matter all that much when the total number of deaths in two months goes over 100,000. Does that make you feel secure?
It’s been closer to four months and if Colorado is any indication, the real number is likely closer to 80,000, fewer than the flu of 1968-69.
Also consider the very specific demographic of most deaths (many of which could have been avoided) and you begin to see a pattern of hysterical hype.
Nope.

Likely 120k right now, not less... all corona virus deaths outside of hospital, are not counted....in Feb and March as example, in NYC their was 40% increase in their average deaths for Feb and March....40% increase over deaths in their state in 2019 not counted in covid count.

And in just 2 months,

Not a full year... 80k was for a year to year and a half, death total.....

The 100k deaths from corona virus is for just deaths in April and May

100k deaths is in just 2 months... And we are only in the 2nd inning... the virus continues, deaths continues.... likely 250,000 dead, through Dec 2020
February through May is four months. What is your source for underestimation? I provided Colorado as an example of overestimation.
It sounds like you’re hoping for worse news.
I'm not hoping for deaths, for goodness sake!!!

We just need to know the facts...know History, and not alternative facts...

There’s every reason to believe that in the United States, as in Italy, there are Covid-19 deaths that aren’t tabulated in the official numbers. On April 7, Gothamist looked at the excess death numbers in New York and concluded that the average of 245 Covid-19 deaths per day from the previous week needs to be supplemented by excess death numbers that are almost as large. As the news site reported, “Another 200 city residents are now dying at home each day, compared to 20 to 25 such deaths before the pandemic, said Aja Worthy-Davis, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner’s office. And an untold number of them are unconfirmed.”

Thats NYC. And it’s speculative so you know it’s exaggerated.
The disease kills old people.
So killing old people is A Ok, Mr Death Panel?

Sheesh!

AND NO, the disease doesn't just kill old people crowded in nursing homes.

Meat processors, and grocery store clerks, and prisoners, and public service workers, and doctors and nurses, and anyone in confined spaces that spreads the disease easily, are at risk... So are babies and small children....
Which MORONS in this country put infected back into Nursing homes........hint they were in Blue Hive States and cities.......

You ready to fire their sorry asses...............
All States Did It! Not just blue states and...

As you should KNOW by now, that it was the FEDERAL GOVT'S CDC, that issued the March 13th guidelines of putting those nursing home residents who had covid and were hospitalized, then released from the Hospital... to do their remaining recovery, back in to the resident's nursing home, even if still not fully recovered with a negative test..... not any of the governors ideas.... but the Federal CDC guidelines.

There were guidelines that included separating the covid patients in to a different ward, having the staff exclusively for the covid ward residents and not a shared staff with those residents not infected, separate entrances to the covid ward and a lot of other CDC guidelines to do such....

Which the States followed
DNC a party of excuses..............blaming others for their mistakes.......and in this case manslaughter territory........

Florida sent National Guard teams to Nursing homes........didn't happen there......Your narrative just hit an Iceberg.

I'm back at work..........12 of 120 plus from out company alone...........rest of those jobs are gone for most of the rest of the year..........along with all the other contractors........

Over this stupid virus........0.2% virus and WE BURNED OUR HOUSE DOWN.....STUPIDITY IN MOTION.
There is no party nothing here.....

Both Republican and Democratic governors followed the CDC guidelines put out by them, on how to handle covid in Nursing Homes....including their guideline on taking back in to the Nursing Home, residents who had been hospitalized with covid and then released by the Hospitals.
At governors’ discretion. It was obvious already by the time the lockdowns began that elderly were at the highest degree of risk. You’re making excuses for cuomo.
Nope!

It was NOT KNOWN, because the CDC did not require the Nursing Home Deaths be reported to them and included in the death counts,

Only testing positive to covid deaths in the Hospitals were counted.....

so these deaths in all Nursing homes throughout the United States, were NOT in our COVID Death counts or even on the Radar....

IT WAS A MISTAKE..... to not count Nursing Home deaths if they had not had a positive COVID Test....


And this ALL BOILS DOWN TO.....

NOT having enough tests from the get go.....

We need to LEARN from our mistakes, so we handle the next pandemic or the 2nd coming of this one..... BETTER!!! Not ignore what the CDC got wrong....
It was determined before lockdowns began that seniors were at greater risk. Cuomo should and could have done what FL did. Instead he did the reverse.
Florida has a terrible nursing home death problem! Most of the state's deaths are in nursing homes, like most everyone else.....

As Florida reopens, the deaths quietly keep piling up in nursing homes

Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article243096941.html#storylink=cpy

 
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The percentage of deaths doesn't matter all that much when the total number of deaths in two months goes over 100,000. Does that make you feel secure?
It’s been closer to four months and if Colorado is any indication, the real number is likely closer to 80,000, fewer than the flu of 1968-69.
Also consider the very specific demographic of most deaths (many of which could have been avoided) and you begin to see a pattern of hysterical hype.
Nope.

Likely 120k right now, not less... all corona virus deaths outside of hospital, are not counted....in Feb and March as example, in NYC their was 40% increase in their average deaths for Feb and March....40% increase over deaths in their state in 2019 not counted in covid count.

And in just 2 months,

Not a full year... 80k was for a year to year and a half, death total.....

The 100k deaths from corona virus is for just deaths in April and May

100k deaths is in just 2 months... And we are only in the 2nd inning... the virus continues, deaths continues.... likely 250,000 dead, through Dec 2020
February through May is four months. What is your source for underestimation? I provided Colorado as an example of overestimation.
It sounds like you’re hoping for worse news.
I'm not hoping for deaths, for goodness sake!!!

We just need to know the facts...know History, and not alternative facts...

There’s every reason to believe that in the United States, as in Italy, there are Covid-19 deaths that aren’t tabulated in the official numbers. On April 7, Gothamist looked at the excess death numbers in New York and concluded that the average of 245 Covid-19 deaths per day from the previous week needs to be supplemented by excess death numbers that are almost as large. As the news site reported, “Another 200 city residents are now dying at home each day, compared to 20 to 25 such deaths before the pandemic, said Aja Worthy-Davis, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner’s office. And an untold number of them are unconfirmed.”

Thats NYC. And it’s speculative so you know it’s exaggerated.
The disease kills old people.
So killing old people is A Ok, Mr Death Panel?

Sheesh!

AND NO, the disease doesn't just kill old people crowded in nursing homes.

Meat processors, and grocery store clerks, and prisoners, and public service workers, and doctors and nurses, and anyone in confined spaces that spreads the disease easily, are at risk... So are babies and small children....
Which MORONS in this country put infected back into Nursing homes........hint they were in Blue Hive States and cities.......

You ready to fire their sorry asses...............
All States Did It! Not just blue states and...

As you should KNOW by now, that it was the FEDERAL GOVT'S CDC, that issued the March 13th guidelines of putting those nursing home residents who had covid and were hospitalized, then released from the Hospital... to do their remaining recovery, back in to the resident's nursing home, even if still not fully recovered with a negative test..... not any of the governors ideas.... but the Federal CDC guidelines.

There were guidelines that included separating the covid patients in to a different ward, having the staff exclusively for the covid ward residents and not a shared staff with those residents not infected, separate entrances to the covid ward and a lot of other CDC guidelines to do such....

Which the States followed
DNC a party of excuses..............blaming others for their mistakes.......and in this case manslaughter territory........

Florida sent National Guard teams to Nursing homes........didn't happen there......Your narrative just hit an Iceberg.

I'm back at work..........12 of 120 plus from out company alone...........rest of those jobs are gone for most of the rest of the year..........along with all the other contractors........

Over this stupid virus........0.2% virus and WE BURNED OUR HOUSE DOWN.....STUPIDITY IN MOTION.
There is no party nothing here.....

Both Republican and Democratic governors followed the CDC guidelines put out by them, on how to handle covid in Nursing Homes....including their guideline on taking back in to the Nursing Home, residents who had been hospitalized with covid and then released by the Hospitals.
At governors’ discretion. It was obvious already by the time the lockdowns began that elderly were at the highest degree of risk. You’re making excuses for cuomo.
Nope!

It was NOT KNOWN, because the CDC did not require the Nursing Home Deaths be reported to them and included in the death counts,

Only testing positive to covid deaths in the Hospitals were counted.....

so these deaths in all Nursing homes throughout the United States, were NOT in our COVID Death counts or even on the Radar....

IT WAS A MISTAKE..... to not count Nursing Home deaths if they had not had a positive COVID Test....


And this ALL BOILS DOWN TO.....

NOT having enough tests from the get go.....

We need to LEARN from our mistakes, so we handle the next pandemic or the 2nd coming of this one..... BETTER!!! Not ignore what the CDC got wrong....
It was determined before lockdowns began that seniors were at greater risk. Cuomo should and could have done what FL did. Instead he did the reverse.
Florida has a terrible nursing home death problem! Most of the state's deaths are in nursing homes, like most everyone else.....

As Florida reopens, the deaths quietly keep piling up in nursing homes

Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article243096941.html#storylink=cpy

Kinda of low compared to the disaster in the ny metropolitan are

Thier were also mainstream reports on how ventalators were really now a death sentencing.....the nice Jewish boy doctor who i posted months ago and was trying to warn anyone who would listen was always right

Cnn had to bury thier story


From 9 days ago

You left wingers need to stop listening to only your MSM approved experts ....
Most of the time they're just flat out lying to yas
 

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The percentage of deaths doesn't matter all that much when the total number of deaths in two months goes over 100,000. Does that make you feel secure?
Does FEAR make you feel "secure"? How?

In 1969, 150,000 Americans died from the flu on a far smaller population base and we didn't shut down the country much less the entire world. Try thinking instead of emoting. That would require you to be a conservative.
 

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The percentage of deaths doesn't matter all that much when the total number of deaths in two months goes over 100,000. Does that make you feel secure?
It’s been closer to four months and if Colorado is any indication, the real number is likely closer to 80,000, fewer than the flu of 1968-69.
Also consider the very specific demographic of most deaths (many of which could have been avoided) and you begin to see a pattern of hysterical hype.
Nope.

Likely 120k right now, not less... all corona virus deaths outside of hospital, are not counted....in Feb and March as example, in NYC their was 40% increase in their average deaths for Feb and March....40% increase over deaths in their state in 2019 not counted in covid count.

And in just 2 months,

Not a full year... 80k was for a year to year and a half, death total.....

The 100k deaths from corona virus is for just deaths in April and May

100k deaths is in just 2 months... And we are only in the 2nd inning... the virus continues, deaths continues.... likely 250,000 dead, through Dec 2020
February through May is four months. What is your source for underestimation? I provided Colorado as an example of overestimation.
It sounds like you’re hoping for worse news.
I'm not hoping for deaths, for goodness sake!!!

We just need to know the facts...know History, and not alternative facts...

There’s every reason to believe that in the United States, as in Italy, there are Covid-19 deaths that aren’t tabulated in the official numbers. On April 7, Gothamist looked at the excess death numbers in New York and concluded that the average of 245 Covid-19 deaths per day from the previous week needs to be supplemented by excess death numbers that are almost as large. As the news site reported, “Another 200 city residents are now dying at home each day, compared to 20 to 25 such deaths before the pandemic, said Aja Worthy-Davis, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner’s office. And an untold number of them are unconfirmed.”

Thats NYC. And it’s speculative so you know it’s exaggerated.
The disease kills old people.
So killing old people is A Ok, Mr Death Panel?

Sheesh!

AND NO, the disease doesn't just kill old people crowded in nursing homes.

Meat processors, and grocery store clerks, and prisoners, and public service workers, and doctors and nurses, and anyone in confined spaces that spreads the disease easily, are at risk... So are babies and small children....
Which MORONS in this country put infected back into Nursing homes........hint they were in Blue Hive States and cities.......

You ready to fire their sorry asses...............
All States Did It! Not just blue states and...

As you should KNOW by now, that it was the FEDERAL GOVT'S CDC, that issued the March 13th guidelines of putting those nursing home residents who had covid and were hospitalized, then released from the Hospital... to do their remaining recovery, back in to the resident's nursing home, even if still not fully recovered with a negative test..... not any of the governors ideas.... but the Federal CDC guidelines.

There were guidelines that included separating the covid patients in to a different ward, having the staff exclusively for the covid ward residents and not a shared staff with those residents not infected, separate entrances to the covid ward and a lot of other CDC guidelines to do such....

Which the States followed
DNC a party of excuses..............blaming others for their mistakes.......and in this case manslaughter territory........

Florida sent National Guard teams to Nursing homes........didn't happen there......Your narrative just hit an Iceberg.

I'm back at work..........12 of 120 plus from out company alone...........rest of those jobs are gone for most of the rest of the year..........along with all the other contractors........

Over this stupid virus........0.2% virus and WE BURNED OUR HOUSE DOWN.....STUPIDITY IN MOTION.
There is no party nothing here.....

Both Republican and Democratic governors followed the CDC guidelines put out by them, on how to handle covid in Nursing Homes....including their guideline on taking back in to the Nursing Home, residents who had been hospitalized with covid and then released by the Hospitals.
At governors’ discretion. It was obvious already by the time the lockdowns began that elderly were at the highest degree of risk. You’re making excuses for cuomo.
Nope!

It was NOT KNOWN, because the CDC did not require the Nursing Home Deaths be reported to them and included in the death counts,

Only testing positive to covid deaths in the Hospitals were counted.....

so these deaths in all Nursing homes throughout the United States, were NOT in our COVID Death counts or even on the Radar....

IT WAS A MISTAKE..... to not count Nursing Home deaths if they had not had a positive COVID Test....


And this ALL BOILS DOWN TO.....

NOT having enough tests from the get go.....

We need to LEARN from our mistakes, so we handle the next pandemic or the 2nd coming of this one..... BETTER!!! Not ignore what the CDC got wrong....
It was determined before lockdowns began that seniors were at greater risk. Cuomo should and could have done what FL did. Instead he did the reverse.
Florida has a terrible nursing home death problem! Most of the state's deaths are in nursing homes, like most everyone else.....

As Florida reopens, the deaths quietly keep piling up in nursing homes

Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article243096941.html#storylink=cpy

Here are the figures as of today within the states.




Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
 

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9/11 had a remarkably low death rate when counted against the total population. This thing has killed 30 times that and the conservatives don't seem to give two shits.
Abortion has murdered 30 times Covid 19 and Leftists like you celebrate the slaughter.
You delight in the misery of this Panic Demic, which has done nothing to reduce the number of fatalities. You hate Trump so much that you want America to go self-destruct and millions of your Leftist pals are looting and burning day and night.
 

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9/11 had a remarkably low death rate when counted against the total population. This thing has killed 30 times that and the conservatives don't seem to give two shits.
Abortion has murdered 30 times Covid 19 and Leftists like you celebrate the slaughter.
You delight in the misery of this Panic Demic, which has done nothing to reduce the number of fatalities. You hate Trump so much that you want America to go self-destruct and millions of your Leftist pals are looting and burning day and night.
Don't preach at me as if I automatically like everything you hate. Making it personal is stupid. I had just as much say in national policy as you did. You're a nobody same as me, why would I blame you for Trump's stupid bullshit? We are all getting fucked and and it's natural to feel some rage, point that rage where it belongs. Hint: It's not some random person on the interwebs.
 

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Don't preach at me as if I automatically like everything you hate. Making it personal is stupid. I had just as much say in national policy as you did. You're a nobody same as me, why would I blame you for Trump's stupid bullshit? We are all getting fucked and and it's natural to feel some rage, point that rage where it belongs. Hint: It's not some random person on the interwebs.
You badmouth conservatives as Leftists do incessantly. You're vulgar and emotional, as Leftists are so consistently. Anger comes from the bosom of a fool, which you paint yourself as being.
 

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The percentage of deaths doesn't matter all that much when the total number of deaths in two months goes over 100,000. Does that make you feel secure?
It’s been closer to four months and if Colorado is any indication, the real number is likely closer to 80,000, fewer than the flu of 1968-69.
Also consider the very specific demographic of most deaths (many of which could have been avoided) and you begin to see a pattern of hysterical hype.
Nope.

Likely 120k right now, not less... all corona virus deaths outside of hospital, are not counted....in Feb and March as example, in NYC their was 40% increase in their average deaths for Feb and March....40% increase over deaths in their state in 2019 not counted in covid count.

And in just 2 months,

Not a full year... 80k was for a year to year and a half, death total.....

The 100k deaths from corona virus is for just deaths in April and May

100k deaths is in just 2 months... And we are only in the 2nd inning... the virus continues, deaths continues.... likely 250,000 dead, through Dec 2020
February through May is four months. What is your source for underestimation? I provided Colorado as an example of overestimation.
It sounds like you’re hoping for worse news.
I'm not hoping for deaths, for goodness sake!!!

We just need to know the facts...know History, and not alternative facts...

There’s every reason to believe that in the United States, as in Italy, there are Covid-19 deaths that aren’t tabulated in the official numbers. On April 7, Gothamist looked at the excess death numbers in New York and concluded that the average of 245 Covid-19 deaths per day from the previous week needs to be supplemented by excess death numbers that are almost as large. As the news site reported, “Another 200 city residents are now dying at home each day, compared to 20 to 25 such deaths before the pandemic, said Aja Worthy-Davis, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner’s office. And an untold number of them are unconfirmed.”

Thats NYC. And it’s speculative so you know it’s exaggerated.
The disease kills old people.
So killing old people is A Ok, Mr Death Panel?

Sheesh!

AND NO, the disease doesn't just kill old people crowded in nursing homes.

Meat processors, and grocery store clerks, and prisoners, and public service workers, and doctors and nurses, and anyone in confined spaces that spreads the disease easily, are at risk... So are babies and small children....
Which MORONS in this country put infected back into Nursing homes........hint they were in Blue Hive States and cities.......

You ready to fire their sorry asses...............
All States Did It! Not just blue states and...

As you should KNOW by now, that it was the FEDERAL GOVT'S CDC, that issued the March 13th guidelines of putting those nursing home residents who had covid and were hospitalized, then released from the Hospital... to do their remaining recovery, back in to the resident's nursing home, even if still not fully recovered with a negative test..... not any of the governors ideas.... but the Federal CDC guidelines.

There were guidelines that included separating the covid patients in to a different ward, having the staff exclusively for the covid ward residents and not a shared staff with those residents not infected, separate entrances to the covid ward and a lot of other CDC guidelines to do such....

Which the States followed
DNC a party of excuses..............blaming others for their mistakes.......and in this case manslaughter territory........

Florida sent National Guard teams to Nursing homes........didn't happen there......Your narrative just hit an Iceberg.

I'm back at work..........12 of 120 plus from out company alone...........rest of those jobs are gone for most of the rest of the year..........along with all the other contractors........

Over this stupid virus........0.2% virus and WE BURNED OUR HOUSE DOWN.....STUPIDITY IN MOTION.
Jimminy, you are off your rocker!

The CDC issued guidelines that there should be 6 ft of separation between all people, and no groups larger than 10,

THAT is when ALL states, including my Governor, began their shutdowns.... except the essential businesses that also were cdc guidelines

trying to rewrite history now, is just typical of you Trumpers.....!!!! :rolleyes:

------------------------------
ALL MAJOR LEAGUE Sports,

Shut down,

before the States shut down....

------------------------------

The Stock Market CRASHED

BEFORE the States shut down....

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The mortality rate estimate is now two and a half times greater than the flu, 0.25% vs 0.1%

AND it is MORE contagious.... the infection spreads faster so it reaches more people, mortality rate is based on how many catch it..... if more people catch it at a faster rate, then many more deaths, ten times the low end deaths of the flu can and will likely, occur by year's end...... and average flu year is from 24k to 52k and about 36k as the median, in a year's time.....

we are at 100k deaths for just April and May.....

The shutdown SAVED US from that number likely being doubled over the next couple of months.

So the CDC guidance of shelter at home, will save about 100k additional American lives over the next two months.....

Then all hell is going to break loose again, with all of these openings, let alone unprotected rioters foolishly out there, and the resistance by Trumpers to wear masks, and social distance....

Let's hope we have an organized plan next time around, instead of willy nilly and shutting down everything..... pray!
Excuses.........and most of the mistakes by Dems running the show who did a purge on the elderly .............Nice going .......and you sit here defending them.

pffft.
let me do your homework for you, these are the CDC GUIDELINES FOR NURSING HOMES and New York State's guidelines, word for word.....



establishing a designated COVID-19 care unit for residents with confirmed COVID-19

  • Determine the location of the COVID-19 care unit and create a staffing plan before residents or HCP with COVID-19 are identified in the facility. This will allow time for residents to be relocated to create space for the unit and to identify HCP to work on this unit.
    • Facilities that have already identified cases of COVID-19 among residents but have not developed a COVID-19 care unit, should work to create one unless the proportion of residents with COVID-19 makes this impossible (e.g., the majority of residents in the facility are already infected).
  • Ideally the unit should be physically separated from other rooms or units housing residents without confirmed COVID-19.
    • Depending on facility capacity (e.g., staffing, supplies) to care for affected residents, the COVID-19 care unit could be a separate floor, wing, or cluster of rooms.
  • Assign dedicated HCP to work only on the COVID-19 care unit. At a minimum this should include the primary nursing assistants (NAs) and nurses assigned to care for these residents. HCP working on the COVID-19 care unit should ideally have a restroom, break room, and work area that are separate from HCP working in other areas of the facility.
    • To the extent possible, restrict access of ancillary personnel (e.g., dietary) to the unit.
    • Assign environmental services [EVS] staff to work only on the unit.
      • If there are not a sufficient number of EVS staff to dedicate to this unit despite efforts to mitigate staffing shortages, restrict their access to the unit. Also, assign HCP dedicated to the COVID-19 care unit (e.g., NAs) to perform cleaning and disinfection of high-touch surfaces and shared equipment when in the room for resident care activities. HCP should bring an Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)-registered disinfectant (e.g., wipe) from List Nexternal icon into the room and wipe down high touch surfaces (e.g., light switch, doorknob, bedside table) before leaving the room.
    • Ensure that high-touch surfaces in staff break rooms and work areas are frequently cleaned and disinfected (e.g., each shift).
    • Ensure HCP practice source control measures and social distancing in the break room and other common areas (i.e., HCP wear a facemask and sit more than 6 feet apart while on break).
  • Place signage at the entrance to the COVID-19 care unit that instructs HCP they must wear eye protection and an N95 or higher-level respirator (or facemask if a respirator is not available) at all times while on the unit. Gowns and gloves should be added when entering resident rooms.
  • Ensure that HCP have been trained on infection prevention measures, including the use of and steps to properly put on and remove recommended personal protective equipment (PPE).
  • If PPE shortages exist, implement strategies to optimize PPE supplyon the unit, such as:
    • Bundle care activities to minimize the number of HCP entries into a room.
    • Consider extended use of respirators (or facemasks if respirators are not available), eye protection, and gowns. Limited reuse of PPE may also be considered.
    • Consider prioritizing gown use for high-contact resident care activities and activities where splash or spray exposures are anticipated.
  • Assign dedicated resident care equipment (e.g., vitals machine) to the cohort unit. Cleaning and disinfection of shared equipment should be performed between residents and the equipment should not leave the cohort unit.
Considerations for new admissions or readmissions to the facility

  • Newly admitted and readmitted residents with confirmed COVID-19 who have not met criteria for discontinuation of Transmission-Based Precautions should go to the designated COVID-19 care unit.
  • Newly admitted and readmitted residents with COVID-19 who have met criteria for discontinuation of Transmission-Based Precautions can go to a regular unit.
    • If Transmission-Based Precautions have been discontinued, but the resident with COVID-19 remains symptomatic (i.e., persistent symptoms or chronic symptoms above baseline), they can be housed on a regular unit but should remain in a private room until symptoms resolve or return to baseline. These individuals should remain in their rooms to the extent possible during this time period. If they must leave their rooms, facilities should reinforce adherence to universal source control policies and social distancing [e.g., perform frequent hand hygiene, have the resident wear a cloth face covering or facemask (if tolerated) and remain at least 6 feet away from others when outside of their room].
  • Create a plan for managing new admissions and readmissions whose COVID-19 status is unknown. Options include placement in a single room or in a separate observation area so the resident can be monitored for evidence of COVID-19.
    • All recommended COVID-19 PPE should be worn during care of residents under observation, which includes use of an N95 or higher-level respirator (or facemask if a respirator is not available), eye protection (i.e., goggles or a disposable face shield that covers the front and sides of the face), gloves, and gown.
    • Testing residents upon admission could identify those who are infected but otherwise without symptoms and might help direct placement of asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2-infected residents into the COVID-19 care unit. However, a single negative test upon admission does not mean that the resident was not exposed or will not become infected in the future. Newly admitted or readmitted residents should still be monitored for evidence of COVID-19 for 14 days after admission and cared for using all recommended COVID-19 PPE. Testing should not be required prior to transfer of a resident from an acute-care facility to a nursing home.
  • New residents could be transferred out of the observation area or from a single to a multi-resident room if they remain afebrile and without symptoms for 14 days after their last exposure (e.g., date of admission). Testing at the end of this period could be considered to increase certainty.
Response to Newly Identified SARS-CoV-2-infected HCP or Residents
HCP who worked with symptoms consistent with COVID-19 or in the 48 hours prior to symptom onset

  • Prioritize these HCP for SARS-CoV-2 testing. Exclude HCP with COVID-19 from work until they have met all return to work criteria.
  • Determine which residents received direct care from and which HCP had unprotected exposure to HCP who worked with symptoms consistent with COVID-19 or in the 48 hours prior to symptom onset.
    • Residents who were cared for by these HCP should be restricted to their room and be cared for using all recommended COVID-19 PPE until results of HCP COVID-19 testing are known. If the HCP is diagnosed with COVID-19, residents should be cared for using all recommended COVID-19 PPE until 14 days after last exposure and prioritized for testing if they develop symptoms.
    • Exposed HCP should be assessed for risk and need for work exclusion.
  • If testing is available, asymptomatic residents and HCP who were exposed to HCP with COVID-19 should be considered for testing (see information on testing below). If testing identifies infections among additional HCP, further evaluation for infections among residents and HCP exposed to those individuals should be performed as described above.
Resident with new-onset suspected or confirmed COVID-19

  • Ensure the resident is isolated and cared for using all recommended COVID-19 PPE. Place the resident in a single room if possible pending results of SARS-CoV-2 testing.
    • Cohorting residents on the same unit based on symptoms alone could result in inadvertent mixing of infected and non-infected residents (e.g., residents who have fever, for example, due to a non-COVID-19 illness could be put at risk if moved to a COVID-19 unit).
    • If cohorting symptomatic residents, care should be taken to ensure infection prevention and control interventions are in place to decrease the risk of cross-transmission.
  • If the resident is confirmed to have COVID-19, regardless of symptoms, they should be transferred to the designated COVID-19 care unit.
  • Roommates of residents with COVID-19 should be considered exposed and potentially infected and, if at all possible,should not share rooms with other residents unless they remain asymptomatic and/or have tested negative for SARS-CoV-2 14 days after their last exposure (e.g., date their roommate was moved to the COVID-19 care unit).
    • Exposed residents may be permitted to room share with other exposed residents if space is not available for them to remain in a single room.
  • Consider temporarily halting admissions to the facility, at least until the extent of transmission can be clarified and interventions can be implemented.
  • Increase monitoring of ill residents, including assessment of symptoms, vital signs, oxygen saturation via pulse oximetry, and respiratory exam, to at least 3 times daily to identify and quickly manage serious infections.
    • Consider increasing monitoring of asymptomatic residents from daily to every shift to more rapidly detect any residents with new symptoms.
  • Counsel all residents to restrict themselves to their room to the extent possible.
  • HCP should use all recommended COVID-19 PPEfor the care of all residents on affected units (or facility-wide if cases are widespread); this includes both symptomatic and asymptomatic residents.
    • If HCP PPE supply is limited, implement strategies to optimize PPE supply, which might include extended use of respirators, facemasks, and eye protection and limiting gown use to high-contact care activities and those where splashes and sprays are anticipated. Broader testing could be utilized to prioritize PPE supplies (see section on using testing).
  • Notify HCP, residents, and families and reinforce basic infection control practices within the facility (e.g., hand hygiene, PPE use, environmental cleaning).
  • Maintain all interventions while assessing for new clinical cases (symptomatic residents):
    • Maintain Transmission-Based Precautions for all residents on the unit at least until there are no additional clinical cases for 14 days after implementation of all recommended interventions.
    • If testing is available, asymptomatic residents and HCP who were exposed to the resident with COVID-19 (e.g., on the same unit) should be considered for testing
    • The incubation period for COVID-19 can be up to 14 days and the identification of a new case within a week to 10 days of starting the interventions does not necessarily represent a failure of the interventions implemented to control transmission.
Use of Testing to Inform the Response to COVID-19 in Nursing Homes
Considerations for use of COVID testing to inform cohort decisions

  • If testing supplies or capacity are limited, testing of symptomatic HCP and symptomatic residents should be prioritized.
    • If unit-wide or facility-wide testing is not available in response to newly identified SARS-CoV-2 infected residents or HCP, moving any residents other than those confirmed to have COVID-19 should be done with caution given the risk of asymptomatic infection; in those situations, all recommended COVID-19 PPE should be used during care of all residents on the affected unit or facility.
  • If testing capacity allows, use of facility-wide testing following identification of newly identified SARS-CoV-2 infected residents or HCP could be particularly important. Facility-wide testing can help identify asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic residents with COVID-19 to guide movement into COVID-19 designated spaces.

For additional information on testing in response to COVID-19 in nursing homes please refer to Considerations for Use of Test-Based Strategies for Preventing SARS-CoV-2 Transmission in Nursing Homes.
I'm not reading all that .........They should have NOT BEEN PUT BACK INTO THE NURSING HOMES.

More Excuses................Common Sense has left the building..........other states did protection for these nursing homes and did 100% better.

Sorry..........that dog doesn't hunt for me.............NEVER WILL
 

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Don't preach at me as if I automatically like everything you hate. Making it personal is stupid. I had just as much say in national policy as you did. You're a nobody same as me, why would I blame you for Trump's stupid bullshit? We are all getting fucked and and it's natural to feel some rage, point that rage where it belongs. Hint: It's not some random person on the interwebs.
You badmouth conservatives as Leftists do incessantly. You're vulgar and emotional, as Leftists are so consistently. Anger comes from the bosom of a fool, which you paint yourself as being.
I really don't care if you vent your unfocused rage on me, better than venting it on someone in real life.
 

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Covid is like soooo last thursday. Get with the times,man ! Nigga died, buildings fried !
 

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The percentage of deaths doesn't matter all that much when the total number of deaths in two months goes over 100,000. Does that make you feel secure?
It’s been closer to four months and if Colorado is any indication, the real number is likely closer to 80,000, fewer than the flu of 1968-69.
Also consider the very specific demographic of most deaths (many of which could have been avoided) and you begin to see a pattern of hysterical hype.
Nope.

Likely 120k right now, not less... all corona virus deaths outside of hospital, are not counted....in Feb and March as example, in NYC their was 40% increase in their average deaths for Feb and March....40% increase over deaths in their state in 2019 not counted in covid count.

And in just 2 months,

Not a full year... 80k was for a year to year and a half, death total.....

The 100k deaths from corona virus is for just deaths in April and May

100k deaths is in just 2 months... And we are only in the 2nd inning... the virus continues, deaths continues.... likely 250,000 dead, through Dec 2020
February through May is four months. What is your source for underestimation? I provided Colorado as an example of overestimation.
It sounds like you’re hoping for worse news.
I'm not hoping for deaths, for goodness sake!!!

We just need to know the facts...know History, and not alternative facts...

There’s every reason to believe that in the United States, as in Italy, there are Covid-19 deaths that aren’t tabulated in the official numbers. On April 7, Gothamist looked at the excess death numbers in New York and concluded that the average of 245 Covid-19 deaths per day from the previous week needs to be supplemented by excess death numbers that are almost as large. As the news site reported, “Another 200 city residents are now dying at home each day, compared to 20 to 25 such deaths before the pandemic, said Aja Worthy-Davis, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner’s office. And an untold number of them are unconfirmed.”

Thats NYC. And it’s speculative so you know it’s exaggerated.
The disease kills old people.
So killing old people is A Ok, Mr Death Panel?

Sheesh!

AND NO, the disease doesn't just kill old people crowded in nursing homes.

Meat processors, and grocery store clerks, and prisoners, and public service workers, and doctors and nurses, and anyone in confined spaces that spreads the disease easily, are at risk... So are babies and small children....
Which MORONS in this country put infected back into Nursing homes........hint they were in Blue Hive States and cities.......

You ready to fire their sorry asses...............
All States Did It! Not just blue states and...

As you should KNOW by now, that it was the FEDERAL GOVT'S CDC, that issued the March 13th guidelines of putting those nursing home residents who had covid and were hospitalized, then released from the Hospital... to do their remaining recovery, back in to the resident's nursing home, even if still not fully recovered with a negative test..... not any of the governors ideas.... but the Federal CDC guidelines.

There were guidelines that included separating the covid patients in to a different ward, having the staff exclusively for the covid ward residents and not a shared staff with those residents not infected, separate entrances to the covid ward and a lot of other CDC guidelines to do such....

Which the States followed
DNC a party of excuses..............blaming others for their mistakes.......and in this case manslaughter territory........

Florida sent National Guard teams to Nursing homes........didn't happen there......Your narrative just hit an Iceberg.

I'm back at work..........12 of 120 plus from out company alone...........rest of those jobs are gone for most of the rest of the year..........along with all the other contractors........

Over this stupid virus........0.2% virus and WE BURNED OUR HOUSE DOWN.....STUPIDITY IN MOTION.
There is no party nothing here.....

Both Republican and Democratic governors followed the CDC guidelines put out by them, on how to handle covid in Nursing Homes....including their guideline on taking back in to the Nursing Home, residents who had been hospitalized with covid and then released by the Hospitals.
At governors’ discretion. It was obvious already by the time the lockdowns began that elderly were at the highest degree of risk. You’re making excuses for cuomo.
Nope!

It was NOT KNOWN, because the CDC did not require the Nursing Home Deaths be reported to them and included in the death counts,

Only testing positive to covid deaths in the Hospitals were counted.....

so these deaths in all Nursing homes throughout the United States, were NOT in our COVID Death counts or even on the Radar....

IT WAS A MISTAKE..... to not count Nursing Home deaths if they had not had a positive COVID Test....


And this ALL BOILS DOWN TO.....

NOT having enough tests from the get go.....

We need to LEARN from our mistakes, so we handle the next pandemic or the 2nd coming of this one..... BETTER!!! Not ignore what the CDC got wrong....
It was determined before lockdowns began that seniors were at greater risk. Cuomo should and could have done what FL did. Instead he did the reverse.
Florida has a terrible nursing home death problem! Most of the state's deaths are in nursing homes, like most everyone else.....

As Florida reopens, the deaths quietly keep piling up in nursing homes

Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article243096941.html#storylink=cpy

It’s still way lower per capita than NY.
 

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