CBS Poll:Americans not buying Liberal lie that conservative "rhetoric" caused shootin

[teapartysamurai]

Why is it, when only far right, individuals (non elected officials) were blogging about Muslims and the connection to the Fort Hood masacre, our President hit the airwaves saying we should not rush to judgement...

but when elected officials, congresspeople and senators and many memebers of the media rushed to judgement, he was silent?

Because, just like Clinton claiming talk radio caused the OK City bombing, Obama agrees with this sentment. In fact, I would not be surprised if he, or his flunkies aren't behind it.

 

[teapartysamurai]

So I guess polls are back on gospel list for you clowns, after their brief exile?

The fact is this:

Whether or not this shooter was influenced by the rhetoric, etc., he may have been, he may not have been,

this poll contributes absolutely nothing to that determination.

Nice try.

Squawk all you want. But the fact is this smear is a big fail.

And all you can do is scream the poll doesn't count when YOU don't like the result!

 

[teapartysamurai]

You can never stun a liberal into silence. They're just reconoitering for their next move.

Well, Carbiner has tried the politically "brilliant" move that the poll doesn't count.

Yeah! That works!

 

[teapartysamurai]

Of course the PEOPLE aren't buying it. They can see through the DIRTY POLITICS that the Left-Progressives-Democrats are using with the HELP OF THE Lamestream media to score Political points and DESTROY Palin all rolled into one.

I mean it's so obvious they are trying to profit from this tragedy, it's just disgusting.

I hope a lot of people see them at this and are just as disgusted, and remember, this disgusting behavior right into the next election.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Truth isn't subject to a vote.

Politics however, tend to be.

That explains much, I think, about the process and why we are so typically asked to sign onto the lies we are constantly exposed to.

And you partisans fall for it every damned time, too.

Honestly, I marvel at how utterly dense partisans are.

Oh get this!

Liberals try a smear and "we" are "falling for it."

Nice spin in your defeat.

Have any more?

 

[teapartysamurai]

It's because of the Internet, it's shattered the Progressive Media monopoly and that's why Obama's going to try to shut it down

Exactly. This is obviously a naked attempt to intimidate free speech against Democrats and no one is falling for it.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Here you go.

You want to blast liberals for politicizing this event...and that's exactly what you are doing.

Liberals haven't come out as a group saying this...get the fuck over yourself.

You're just as fucking bad as the people you're complaining of here on this thread.

You know what this boils down to:

HOW DARE YOU FIGHT BACK AGAINST A SMEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't you know just like a rape victim, you are supposed to just lie back and "take it!"

You aren't supposed to effectively fight back and even debunk any lie and smear the left throw at you!

Some Centrist.

Who needs to get over himself?

 

[teapartysamurai]

Truth isn't subject to a vote.

Politics however, tend to be.

That explains much, I think, about the process and why we are so typically asked to sign onto the lies we are constantly exposed to.

And you partisans fall for it every damned time, too.

Honestly, I marvel at how utterly dense partisans are.

Oh how I agree with you! Maybe they aren't so dense, however but wearing blinders so they cannot see all the facts. Hate to think our population has such a low IQ.

Oh um get this!

IF the populace disagrees with YOU, THEY are the ones with the low IQ?

Yeah, that's how it works!

 

[editec]

It's a smear if they blme the right wing rhetoric but they DON'T believe it.

If they believe it and say it, and it's not true, then they are in error.

Do I think that the guy went nuts because of the rhetoric?

No, of course not.

Do I suspect that the atmosphere of hateful rhetoric helped him choose his target?

Of course, I do.

When a perp (even a crazy perp) sets out to kill a POL, that perp's motivations aren't exactly hard to intuit.

No who the hell is going to try to make the case that this perp's CHOICE of victims was NOT politically motivated?

Seriously boys...which of you wants to try to make THAT argument?

You argument would HAVE TO be the following:

The man was crazy.

He just happened to elect to shoot a politician (one that we know he was obsessed about) while she was giving a speech.

But his murder was NOT a politically movitivate act.

Now seriously boys...does that argument really make sense?

 

[teapartysamurai]

Why is it, when only far right, individuals (non elected officials) were blogging about Muslims and the connection to the Fort Hood masacre, our President hit the airwaves saying we should not rush to judgement...

but when elected officials, congresspeople and senators and many memebers of the media rushed to judgement, he was silent?

Because a majority weren't laying the actual blame on anyone, simply using the opportunity to speak out against the hateful rhetoric which applies even if he WASN'T inspired by it, because he made an attack on Public Officials and was proven via his youtube channel to be very anti establishment and very conspiracy-driven,

and then of course people's comments about rhetoric are sent through the spin factory, and thus accused of laying the actual blame. You know how it works, man.

If you had listened closely, you'd know.

I'm not dismissing those few who did lay the ACTUAL blame, mind you, but I'm just being real which is unique to these situations, as you see here. I will subsequently be accused of laying the blame, watch, and then you'll see my point.

Really?

Were you sleeping next to Rip Van Winkle until 2 minutes ago?

 

[teapartysamurai]

Here you go.

You want to blast liberals for politicizing this event...and that's exactly what you are doing.

Liberals haven't come out as a group saying this...get the fuck over yourself.

You're just as fucking bad as the people you're complaining of here on this thread.

It's a little late now to whine about "politicizing" this tragedy. A WHOLE segment of people have BEEN ACCUSED (Republican, the Tea Party, etc.) as the cause for this, NOW those people are STANDING UP TO THIS SLANDER. That is just how it is.

What Vanquish is telling us, it's it's no fair for us to fight back against a smear from the left.

Typical liberalism, er I mean "centrism."

 

[teapartysamurai]

Because a majority weren't laying the actual blame on anyone, simply using the opportunity to speak out against the hateful rhetoric which applies even if he WASN'T inspired by it, because he made an attack on Public Officials and was proven via his youtube channel to be very anti establishment and very conspiracy-driven,

and then of course people's comments about rhetoric are sent through the spin factory, and thus accused of laying the actual blame. You know how it works, man.

If you had listened closely, you'd know.

I'm not dismissing those few who did lay the ACTUAL blame, mind you, but I'm just being real which is unique to these situations, as you see here. I will subsequently be accused of laying the blame, watch, and then you'll see my point.

Really?

Were you sleeping next to Rip Van Winkle until 2 minutes ago?

My post wasn't intended to start a conversation with people who behave like 5 year olds about politics and can't have a two way cordial conversation without being offensive, and 5.

And spinning a bunch of BS is far above "us five year olds?" Is that how it works in your world?

 

[editec]

It's a smear if they blme the right wing rhetoric but they DON'T believe it.

If they believe it and say it, and it's not true, then they are in error.

Do I think that the guy went nuts because of the rhetoric?

No, of course not.

Do I suspect that the atmosphere of hateful rhetoric helped him choose his target?

Of course, I do. And I am guessing so do we all think that.

When a perp (even a crazy perp) sets out to kill a POL, that perp's motivations aren't exactly hard to intuit.

Now, who the hell is going to try to make the case that this perp's CHOICE of victims was NOT politically motivated?

Seriously boys...which of you wants to try to make THAT argument?

You argument would HAVE TO be the following:

The man was crazy.

He just happened to elect to shoot a politician (one that we know he was obsessed about) while she was giving a speech.

But his murder was NOT a politically movitivate act.

Now seriously boys...does that argument really make sense?

 

[teapartysamurai]

The only way Obama would have spoken out against a rush to judgment was if the shooter were named Jared bin Loughner

There was never an actual issue in our Country with an over-zealous bigotry towards Muslims that responsible people would attempt to minimize

Makes no sense whatsoever why he'd do that, none! He's a terrorist! Bottom line!

(the thinking of a 5 year old)

Yeah, we are such "over zealous" bigots that we put Muslims into internment camps like A DEMOCRAT, FDR, did after Pearl Harbor.

No, wait, we didn't!

BUT, we are told "not to rush to judgment" over the Fort Hood shooting, but it's okay for liberals to rush to judgment when it serves to smear those that just defeated them in the election? Yeah, no self serving motives in that! Yeah right!

All you are doing is trying to spin your way into saying the liberals are right, but you want to sound "reasonable" about it.

You aren't fooling anyone.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Because a majority weren't laying the actual blame on anyone, simply using the opportunity to speak out against the hateful rhetoric which applies even if he WASN'T inspired by it, because he made an attack on Public Officials and was proven via his youtube channel to be very anti establishment and very conspiracy-driven,

and then of course people's comments about rhetoric are sent through the spin factory, and thus accused of laying the actual blame. You know how it works, man.

If you had listened closely, you'd know.

I'm not dismissing those few who did lay the ACTUAL blame, mind you, but I'm just being real which is unique to these situations, as you see here. I will subsequently be accused of laying the blame, watch, and then you'll see my point.

I was listening very carefully. I listened to Dick Durbin and Charlie Rangel asnwer questions about the shootings with comments on the right political rhetoric.
That was those elected officials applying their opinion that political rhetoric from the right contributed to the anger of the shooter....

unless you want to spin it and say that they were commenting on the massacre, but also decided to discuss something that is not at all related to the massacre....which wazs right political rhetoric.

Come on...you are better than that GT...that is spin.

Durbin and Rangel were asked to comment on the massacre and they brought up right wing political speech.....

My question is why did Obama not do what he did when bloggers started to relate the fort Hood shooter to Mulsim radicalism.

And I answer that.

And, I didn't deny anything above, I said a few DID do it.

It doesn't change the fact that the rhetoric and hyperbole is over-board, and *can* inspire these things, and so in light of seeings these things happen, it's a perfect time to jump-start the conversation.

If people don't like it, then they need to look inward about feeling guilty about it, becauase if they AREN'T USING OVER-BOARD, DISTASTEFUL HYPERBOLE, then they aren't really even a PART of the conversation to begin with.

And with this I made a thread, and with this I accused left-commentators of the same.

IN OTHER WORDS, after trying to bullshit your way into reasonable sounding spin, when finally pushed to the point, you agree with the smear.

Thank you for pointing out how "reasonable" you really are.

 

[teapartysamurai]

As I said earlier....I would expect bloggers from both sides to try to capitalize on something like this.

I dont expect elected reps to.

And I would ceretainly expect the President to tell reps to calm it down...not exasperrate it.

The President, in my opinion, letting the conversation go is what's best for this Country because I do, in fact, feel the rhetoric is beyond fucking ridiculous. Also, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he'll speak to this in such a way where, he WILL say it isn't right to blame anyone but the shooter. I will wait to see and hope I'm right. But still, the rhetoric is so childish.

Look at you here, for instance. You buy the whole Obama sympathises with Muslims shit.

Now, of course a logical person has to do some massaging of that relationship inside of our Country, because he has some Muslim American Citizens that he has to tamp down the hatred against, because obviously they weren't behind 9/11 themselves, and obviously a great deal of people have a hatred now of Muslims in General. Peep the Religion forum on this very board, and you will see why any smart President would want to calm the tension. Go ahead and look.

All that boils down to is:

I don't agree with what conservatives say.

I agree with them being smeared to try to intimidate what conservatives say.

Liberals just got their clock clean in the last election and it's because of what conservatives say AND THAT'S RIDICULOUS!

YOU AREN'T FOOLING ANYONE.

BTW, if you are soooooooooooooo concerned about "ridiculous" rhetoric: How about Obama saying when they bring a knife we will bring a gun?

Obama: ‘If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun’ - Washington Wire - WSJ

Obama telling his follows "punch back twice as hard

White House to Democrats: 'Punch back twice as hard' - Carrie Budoff Brown - POLITICO.com

Or Obama telling Bankers, I'm the only one between you and the pitchforks:

Obama to Bankers: I'm Standing 'Between You and the Pitchforks' - The Note

I guess rhetoric is only "ridiculous" if it's in the mouths of those who defeat you in an election.

LIKE IT ISN'T MORE THAN OBVIOUS!

 

[teapartysamurai]

And I answer that.

And, I didn't deny anything above, I said a few DID do it.

It doesn't change the fact that the rhetoric and hyperbole is over-board, and *can* inspire these things, and so in light of seeings these things happen, it's a perfect time to jump-start the conversation.

If people don't like it, then they need to look inward about feeling guilty about it, becauase if they AREN'T USING OVER-BOARD, DISTASTEFUL HYPERBOLE, then they aren't really even a PART of the conversation to begin with.

And with this I made a thread, and with this I accused left-commentators of the same.

I am not referring to a discussion about the issues of political rehtoric.....that is always a good conversation to have.

But to rush to judge and openly blame the deaths of 6 people on such before there is any proof of such is OK by our elected officials?

Sorry....I dont see that.

I dont agree with rushing to judgement on anything.....and I find it unusual that our President gave his opinion on one rush to judgement and not on another.

The situations are 100% different. 100%.

Oh, the "reasoning" of a liberal.

When it's Obama, THAT'S DIFFERNT!

 

[teapartysamurai]

It is making me sick that the Obama is going to USE these Peoples deaths TO COME out and LECTURE us AGAIN.

I see a Paul Wellstone funeral all over again.

That's EXACTLY what's happening.

And it looks like the American people are just as disgusted by it. As noted in this poll.

 

[mudwhistle]

Of course the PEOPLE aren't buying it. They can see through the DIRTY POLITICS that the Left-Progressives-Democrats are using with the HELP OF THE Lamestream media to score Political points and DESTROY Palin all rolled into one.

Actually, I would expect the left to blog about it and spread it around just as I would expect the right to blog about it and spread it around if the tables were turned. It is what citizens do.

I am more concerned that elected reps and senators are guilty of it and our President refuses to tell them to retract.

It seems he is more interested in protecting the reputation and well being of one group (Muslims) and not another group (conservatives)...I thought it was his role to govern all of us equally....????.....

Obama still refuses to finger those who are guilty of politicizing this. A common tactic is to tell everyone to stop the BS rather then exposing those who perpetrated this and shaming them. This allows them to crawl back into their holes with their dignity intact, so they can do it again another day.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Will the Left follow their "marching orders" ?

Papa Obama did say in his speech last night:

Let them take the words of Papa Obama from the speech to heart and follow them

"...we must guard against simple explanations in the aftermath. For the truth is that none of us can know exactly what triggered this vicious attack. None of us can know with any certainty what might have stopped those shots from being fired, or what thoughts lurked in the inner recesses of a violent man’s mind."​

Let us hope he continues this effort and ask the Left to stop their hate

For example:
it would be good to ask them to take down their hate sites


This page is still on Facebook and they have not taken it down.
(perhaps if she was Muslim they would have)

Thanks Sheriff Dupnik… Thanks state-run media…
According to a close aide –
Death threats against Sarah Palin reached an unprecedented level this week.

In recent days, word has spread among conservatives of a Facebook page titled “I hate it when I wake up and Sarah Palin is still alive.” The page features a drawing of Sarah Palin about to shoot herself in the head and several of the members have called for Sarah Palin’s assassination.
​

I hope the Left has learned a lesson from this speech and will stop trying to use such a terrible tragedy for political gain and generate hate

Many people died, including a child, since the majority of Americans DO NOT believe this tragedy was political, let us hope the radical Left can find some real issues to work on and stop the hate.

Sadly, many on the Left will still use this kind of hate


Some on the LW will still CRUCIFY innocent people for it.

Watch.