Cars

[Mr. P]

We get an audible 'beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep' at 8500 telling us 'shift, fool!'



If you have good speakers on your PC, and you listen closely, you can hear the 'beep' under the music I'm playing.

http://www.d-mphotos.com/movies/rx8101.wmv

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[Mr. P]

Heard it..D..

 

[archangel]

Would my fuel efficiency be increased if I added a super-charger to my bmw 318i? Can this even be done? Would it be worth it?

Super-chargers are designed to increase horse power at high altitudes or high speeds...they are designed to kick in when more air to fuel ratio is needed...which is at high altitudes or high speeds...they are a great sales gimmick and are quite expensive...so unless you want to race or live in the Rockies...forget it it will not help you!

 

[archangel]

who love to show off and Red-Line on every shift...they are a mechanics wet dream.....!

 

[dmp]

Super-chargers are designed to increase horse power at high altitudes or high speeds...they are designed to kick in when more air to fuel ratio is needed...which is at high altitudes or high speeds...they are a great sales gimmick and are quite expensive...so unless you want to race or live in the Rockies...forget it it will not help you!

You know anything about forced-induction on cars? Read up some, before passing advice, will ya?

Hagbard - Yes, it's possible a supercharger 'can' help your fuel economy, by producing more power at lower RPMs, but I doubt it. If ANY level of economy is increased, I bet it'd take 50,000 miles before you saw a return on investment.

 

[archangel]

You know anything about forced-induction on cars? Read up some, before passing advice, will ya?

Hagbard - Yes, it's possible a supercharger 'can' help your fuel economy, by producing more power at lower RPMs, but I doubt it. If ANY level of economy is increased, I bet it'd take 50,000 miles before you saw a return on investment.

I am just a dumbass old man who raced on the quarter mile circuit when younger...so I know nothing 'according to DMP'..and you just answered my advice with the same!

 

[dmp]

I am just a dumbass old man who raced on the quarter mile circuit when younger...so I know nothing 'according to DMP'..and you just answered my advice with the same!

Here's what you wrote:


[1]Superchargers are designed to 'kick in' when more air to fuel ratio is needed.
[2]...which is at high altitudes or high speeds
[3](superchargers)are a great sales gimmick and are quite expensive
[4]unless you want to race or live in the Rockies...forget it (a supercharger) will not help you!


What makes you think I replied with 'the same thing'? www.hop.com brother...

Question for your comments:
1)This doesn't make a lot of sense. What is 'more aire to fuel ratio'?? You mean when the car needs to run 'richer' or 'leaner'? Which is it? What is MORE a/f?
2&4)So, people only need 'more' (whatever that means) A/F ratio at high altitudes and at high speeds, according to you. Without knowing what you mean by 'more' I'll suspect you mean more 'air and fuel'. Since a supercharger cannot provide more FUEL, it must provide more AIR, which is true. AND more Air (o2) WOULD be helpful at high alititudes where there is less o2 content in the air. I just don't get how you claim that's what 'superchargers' are for. Superchargers, and their associated components, are designed to help an engine produce MORE POWER at ANY altitude. As far as the 'for higher speeds' comment - again, that doesn't make sense. The airflow of a supercharger is dependant on engine LOAD, not vehicle speed.
3) A supercharger is a Sales gimmick????? A 'gimmick' does not add 50, 60, 100, 200? more Horsepower to an engine. You want a Gimmick? Look up Tordano Air.

Driving down the 1/4 mile track a few times doesn't a car-smart person make. If so, I'd be Mr. Goodwrench...if I liked GM products, anyway.

(shrug).

I don't care if you don't like superchargers. I DO care when gross mis-information about stuff I think I'm pretty smart about, goes unchecked.

 

[archangel]

Here's what you wrote:


[1]Superchargers are designed to 'kick in' when more air to fuel ratio is needed.
[2]...which is at high altitudes or high speeds
[3](superchargers)are a great sales gimmick and are quite expensive
[4]unless you want to race or live in the Rockies...forget it (a supercharger) will not help you!


What makes you think I replied with 'the same thing'? www.hop.com brother...

Question for your comments:
1)This doesn't make a lot of sense. What is 'more aire to fuel ratio'?? You mean when the car needs to run 'richer' or 'leaner'? Which is it? What is MORE a/f?
2&4)So, people only need 'more' (whatever that means) A/F ratio at high altitudes and at high speeds, according to you. Without knowing what you mean by 'more' I'll suspect you mean more 'air and fuel'. Since a supercharger cannot provide more FUEL, it must provide more AIR, which is true. AND more Air (o2) WOULD be helpful at high alititudes where there is less o2 content in the air. I just don't get how you claim that's what 'superchargers' are for. Superchargers, and their associated components, are designed to help an engine produce MORE POWER at ANY altitude. As far as the 'for higher speeds' comment - again, that doesn't make sense. The airflow of a supercharger is dependant on engine LOAD, not vehicle speed.
3) A supercharger is a Sales gimmick????? A 'gimmick' does not add 50, 60, 100, 200? more Horsepower to an engine. You want a Gimmick? Look up Tordano Air.

Driving down the 1/4 mile track a few times doesn't a car-smart person make. If so, I'd be Mr. Goodwrench...if I liked GM products, anyway.

(shrug).

I don't care if you don't like superchargers. I DO care when gross mis-information about stuff I think I'm pretty smart about, goes unchecked.

Super-Chargers were developed by military contractors during WWII...they were developed to eliminate the use of injecting 'water' into the cylinders of the Mustang aircraft to increase power at high rpms and altitude...they found this to be a effective improvement to increase air to fuel ratios...thus improving the altitude at which the aircraft could fly...so they could escort the high altitude bombers...the civilian use was adopted to increase HP at high rpms or altitude thus for racing or high altitude use...not really a gas saver just a hp increaser...sale alot of cars with this tool did ya?

 

[Annie]

I am just a dumbass old man who raced on the quarter mile circuit when younger...so I know nothing 'according to DMP'..and you just answered my advice with the same!

I heard him ask a question,

You know anything about forced-induction on cars? Read up some, before passing advice, will ya?

Why not speak to that, instead of acting like he was name calling? I'm not trying to cause a problem Arch, but this is how it gets started...

 

[dmp]

Super-Chargers were developed by military contractors during WWII...

So?

they were developed to eliminate the use of injecting 'water' into the cylinders of the Mustang aircraft to increase power at high rpms and altitude...they found this to be a effective improvement to increase air to fuel ratios...

Improvement of what? How does a car's air/fuel get 'improved'? Fact is, MOST cars ECUs strive to get the car to run at or about 14.5:1 Air:Fuel ratio. How can that be 'improved' by a supercharger?

...the civilian use was adopted to increase HP at high rpms or altitude thus for racing or high altitude use...

But a LOT of superchargers help an engine develop more power at LOWER RPMS. Look up 'roots blower'. And the kinds of alitudes you are talking about have NOTHING to do with a car application.

not really a gas saver just a hp increaser...sale alot of cars with this tool did ya?

'just' a HP increaser eh? Sale cars? Nope. I've only sold a few cars in my life, one used a 'turbocharger', however. I think I see the problem. You're basing your comments about superchargers on 1940s information and 1960s experience.

 

[archangel]

I'm done you and Kathianne can argue until the cows come home...I gave you my opinion based on experience...you(dmp) are the one who jumped on me ie:my advice to hag...so you two are the experts...I know nothing! And Kathianne what is up with the accusing me of starting something...sorry I just speak from the heart...and was addressing dmp's comments...thats all folks...goodnight!

 

[Annie]

I'm done you and Kathianne can argue until the cows come home...I gave you my opinion based on experience...you(dmp) are the one who jumped on me ie:my advice to hag...so you two are the experts...I know nothing! And Kathianne what is up with the accusing me of starting something...sorry I just speak from the heart...and was addressing dmp's comments...thats all folks...goodnight!

Arch, I too am speaking from the 'heart'. Why is it that everything, I mean everything comes down to 'getting you'? There was no 'collusion', dmp and I barely speak. I was not accusing you of 'starting' anything, other than the nonsense you chose to post,

I am just a dumbass old man who raced on the quarter mile circuit when younger...so I know nothing 'according to DMP'..and you just answered my advice with the same!

 

[dmp]

I'm done you and Kathianne can argue until the cows come home...I gave you my opinion based on experience...you(dmp) are the one who jumped on me ie:my advice to hag...so you two are the experts...I know nothing! And Kathianne what is up with the accusing me of starting something...sorry I just speak from the heart...and was addressing dmp's comments...thats all folks...goodnight!

But you simply gave 'wrong' and misleading information. I'm trying to correct that. It sucks that it bothers you.

 

[Mr. P]

Man! That P-51 is some airplane!!

 

[no1tovote4]

Super-chargers are designed to increase horse power at high altitudes or high speeds...they are designed to kick in when more air to fuel ratio is needed...which is at high altitudes or high speeds...they are a great sales gimmick and are quite expensive...so unless you want to race or live in the Rockies...forget it it will not help you!

I live near the Rockies and often travel in them. However, who doesn't want to speed on occassion?

 

[The ClayTaurus]

But you simply gave 'wrong' and misleading information. I'm trying to correct that. It sucks that it bothers you.

Nothing like taking airplane fighter engines from the 60's and comparing them to the car engines of today. Brilliant. Was it painful to have to argue against that?

 

[The ClayTaurus]

We get an audible 'beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep' at 8500 telling us 'shift, fool!'



If you have good speakers on your PC, and you listen closely, you can hear the 'beep' under the music I'm playing.

http://www.d-mphotos.com/movies/rx8101.wmv

Is that your video? Trick Daddy doesn't really strike me as the approprite music for driving through twisties...

 

[Shattered]

Nothing like taking airplane fighter engines from the 60's and comparing them to the car engines of today. Brilliant. Was it painful to have to argue against that?

It's becoming a common occurence.. There's nothing Arch hasn't tried. There's nothing Arch doesn't know. There's nothing Arch doesn't have firsthand, correct knowledge on. The rest of the world is are just a bunch of ill-informed imbeciles. He is the man.

 

[dmp]

Is that your video? Trick Daddy doesn't really strike me as the approprite music for driving through twisties...

Was that Trick Daddy? It was appropriate at the time... I can't control the winding path I happen upon..I just 'go with it'. For me ANY music is appropriate for twisty-driving. My first lap at Thunderhill Raceway, in my miata, was set to 'Welcome to the Jungle'

 

[The ClayTaurus]

Was that Trick Daddy? It was appropriate at the time... I can't control the winding path I happen upon..I just 'go with it'. For me ANY music is appropriate for twisty-driving. My first lap at Thunderhill Raceway, in my miata, was set to 'Welcome to the Jungle'

That song was Trick Daddy - Sugar (feat. Cee-Lo & Ludacris). It's a good song, but I don't know about twisty driving, that needs something with a bit more grit, me thinks. But each to their own