Capitalism is...Slavery; Democracy is Not

[The T]

Just curious, for the sake of argument, what would the US look like if there were no capitalism at all?

Replace 'capitalism' with 'economic liberty'

Is that code speak for third world crap hole?

What is Capitalism but Economic Liberty?

 

[The T]

Citizens free to conduct commerce as they see fit without interference...try that...

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Citizens free to conduct commerce as they see fit without interference...try that...

Hey, Im all for that!!!! Nowadays, you can't turn sideways without bumping into some regulation and being inhibited by the fed.

 

[The T]

Citizens free to conduct commerce as they see fit without interference...try that...

Hey, Im all for that!!!! Nowadays, you can't turn sideways without bumping into some regulation and being inhibited by the fed.

Welcome to Economic Liberty as envisioned by the Founders...

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[C_Clayton_Jones]

More surprising than these findings is the candor with which Longworth deepens his explanation by acknowledging synergy between the bottom line considerations and authoritarian values of American multinational CEOs and Third World fascism. Dictators, he writes, "tend to be strong leaders who can provide quick decisions, deliver results and stamp out opposition. These qualities can appeal to many business leaders, who themselves operate in a non-democratic structure."

To buttress this exceptionally forthright analysis, Longworth provides an excellent quote from Ron Leven, a currency expert at the international investment firm J.P. Morgan, who made a revealing comment as Indonesia was ridding itself of its U.S.-sponsored dictator Suharto last year. "Democracy is a desirable form of government," Leven proclaimed, "but it's not necessarily the most efficient form of government." Or, as AFL-CIO policy functionary Thomas Palley puts it: "profits and morality don't mix very well." Exactly-and no small part of why tens of thousands of workers, environmentalists, leftists, and other concerned world citizens recently staged remarkable mass protests at the Seattle meetings of the World Trade Organization, an autocratic agency that has a strong record of favoring global capital's unimpeded freedom to exploit the profit premium of Third World fascism.

That capitalism flourishes in ‘non-democracies’ is not exactly news, this was true with the fascist dictatorships of the early 20th Century as it is with China today.

The issue for democracies is the potential undue influence corporate entities may exact via the media, and the degree of sophistication and knowledge of the electorate.

 

[georgephillip]

Without competition, capitalism would not flourish.
It serves little to no purpose for "the economically fit to drive the unfit out of business and into extinction".

Since the days of the East India Company the most successful capitalists have crushed competitors in order to monopolize markets. Most of the successful corporations have bribed government for tax favors and laws that encourage monopolies and cartels coming into existence.

Capitalists need customers and clients far more than they need authentic competition, imho.

 

[The T]

Without competition, capitalism would not flourish.
It serves little to no purpose for "the economically fit to drive the unfit out of business and into extinction".

Since the days of the East India Company the most successful capitalists have crushed competitors in order to monopolize markets. Most of the successful corporations have bribed government for tax favors and laws that encourage monopolies and cartels coming into existence.

Capitalists need customers and clients far more than they need authentic competition, imho.

Welcome to Human behaviour...Incentive...Commerce...And a Pure Democracy is any better? Son you have a problem...Wealth Envy for starters...and hatred for Capitalism a close second.

 

[georgephillip]

Confused about the fundamental conflicts regarding proper distribution of power?

"Listen, for example, to liberal economist Lester Thurow who writes that 'democracy and capitalism have very different beliefs about the proper distribution of power.

"'One believes in a completely equal distribution of political power, "one man [sic] one vote," while the other believes that it is the duty of the economically fit to drive the unfit out of business and into extinction. "Survival of the fittest" and inequalities in purchasing power are what capitalist efficiency is all about.

"'Individual profit comes first and firms become efficient to be rich. To put it in its starkest form, capitalism is perfectly compatible with slavery. Democracy is not.'"

Capitalism and Democracy Don't Mix Very Well ::: International Endowment for Democracy

Democracy in it's purest form is MOB RULE...

You have very little concept of human nature and incentive, do you?

What part of "One person one vote" scares you most?

You constantly remind me how conservatives of the 18th and 19th centuries supported their monarchs against Democracy.

Maybe you should learn Mandarin?

 

[georgephillip]

If we lived in a pure democracy, minorities would not have rights.

Why not?

 

[bripat9643]

What part of "One person one vote" scares you most?

The part where numskulls like you get to vote. Democracy is rule by the dumbest 51% of the population. That prospect should scare any intelligent person.

You constantly remind me how conservatives of the 18th and 19th centuries supported their monarchs against Democracy.

Maybe you should learn Mandarin?

The modern definitions of the terms "conservative" and "liberal" bare no resemblance whatsoever to their 18th Century definition.

 

[The T]

Confused about the fundamental conflicts regarding proper distribution of power?

"Listen, for example, to liberal economist Lester Thurow who writes that 'democracy and capitalism have very different beliefs about the proper distribution of power.

"'One believes in a completely equal distribution of political power, "one man [sic] one vote," while the other believes that it is the duty of the economically fit to drive the unfit out of business and into extinction. "Survival of the fittest" and inequalities in purchasing power are what capitalist efficiency is all about.

"'Individual profit comes first and firms become efficient to be rich. To put it in its starkest form, capitalism is perfectly compatible with slavery. Democracy is not.'"

Capitalism and Democracy Don't Mix Very Well ::: International Endowment for Democracy

Democracy in it's purest form is MOB RULE...

You have very little concept of human nature and incentive, do you?

What part of "One person one vote" scares you most?

You constantly remind me how conservatives of the 18th and 19th centuries supported their monarchs against Democracy.

Maybe you should learn Mandarin?

What part of the Electoral College scares you?

 

[The T]

in fact OP? What part of the Constitution scares *YOU* the Most?

Care to man up or is it going to be more diatribe nonsense?

 

[The T]

More revisionism? Tell us?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

If we lived in a pure democracy, minorities would not have rights.

Why not?

Because 51-49 wins.

 

[The T]

If we lived in a pure democracy, minorities would not have rights.

Why not?

Because 51-49 wins.

*OUCH* Let the beatings commence...

 

[georgephillip]

Confused about the fundamental conflicts regarding proper distribution of power?

"Listen, for example, to liberal economist Lester Thurow who writes that 'democracy and capitalism have very different beliefs about the proper distribution of power.

"'One believes in a completely equal distribution of political power, "one man [sic] one vote," while the other believes that it is the duty of the economically fit to drive the unfit out of business and into extinction. "Survival of the fittest" and inequalities in purchasing power are what capitalist efficiency is all about.

"'Individual profit comes first and firms become efficient to be rich. To put it in its starkest form, capitalism is perfectly compatible with slavery. Democracy is not.'"

Capitalism and Democracy Don't Mix Very Well ::: International Endowment for Democracy

socialism is slavery of the working class - capitalism sux - but it is the best thing going - we r not a democracy - we r a republic ! our republic sucks too - but it is the best thing going !

Where has Socialism as originally conceived ever been practiced?

The Soviets in Russia were dissolved early, and the workers there never came close to controlling the means of production.

You might not think the US is "the best thing going" if American bombs were falling on your neighborhood.

Do you think America's elites are more interested in perfecting its Republic or its Empire?

 

[georgephillip]

Democracy in it's purest form is MOB RULE...

You have very little concept of human nature and incentive, do you?

What part of "One person one vote" scares you most?

You constantly remind me how conservatives of the 18th and 19th centuries supported their monarchs against Democracy.

Maybe you should learn Mandarin?

What part of the Electoral College scares you?

No part of the Electoral College scares me as much as capitalism's priorities of inequality of return or profit for suppliers of capital above human rights.

Are you familiar with any human rights violations perpetrated by the Electoral College?

 

[The T]

What part of "One person one vote" scares you most?

You constantly remind me how conservatives of the 18th and 19th centuries supported their monarchs against Democracy.

Maybe you should learn Mandarin?

What part of the Electoral College scares you?

No part of the Electoral College scares me as much as capitalism's priorities of inequality of return or profit for suppliers of capital above human rights.

Are you familiar with any human rights violations perpetrated by the Electoral College?

Go study the Federalist Papers...Get back to me when that task is completed...and then I'll expect a full report on it...until then?

*Don't bother responding to me* until I read a comprehensive report from you line item, by line item? Got it ACE?

 

[georgephillip]

Pure Democracy is nothing more than Mob Rule. Ask the blacks how they would have liked this country being a Pure Democracy back when the Civil War had happened. My guess is they would not have.

Is this an acceptable definition of "pure democracy" in your opinion?

"pure democracy
n.
"A democracy in which the power to govern lies directly in the hands of the people rather than being exercised through their representatives."

Since real democracy wouldn't in any way dilute the power of the US Bill of Rights, I don't see why direct democracy, particularly in the workplace, wouldn't be a huge improvement over Citizens United.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pure+democracy

 

[georgephillip]

You spew more obvious horseshit than any other libturd in this forum. I could spend all day ridiculing your absurd theories, but there really isn't a need for it. No one could possibly swallow such nonsense.

Confused about the fundamental conflicts regarding proper distribution of power?

"Listen, for example, to liberal economist Lester Thurow who writes that 'democracy and capitalism have very different beliefs about the proper distribution of power.

"'One believes in a completely equal distribution of political power, "one man [sic] one vote," while the other believes that it is the duty of the economically fit to drive the unfit out of business and into extinction. "Survival of the fittest" and inequalities in purchasing power are what capitalist efficiency is all about.

"'Individual profit comes first and firms become efficient to be rich. To put it in its starkest form, capitalism is perfectly compatible with slavery. Democracy is not.'"

Capitalism and Democracy Don't Mix Very Well ::: International Endowment for Democracy

Democracy: One person; One vote.

Corporation: One dollar; One vote.

Which side are you on?