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[Dante]

What's amusing is that you respond but will not answer the question. So I will directly ask you the question
Has the tenth Amendment beed repealed?

Of course it hasn't, and no one has said it has. You are inventing an argument and then winning it -- against yourself.

congratulations: you have officially graduated with honors from the USMB Wingnut Academy.

Well then what does the tenth say?
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
So your arguement is moot. finished over. Next.

Ugh! I had thought you were a serous poster.

sigh

here, below in quotes, is what we were talking about...what argument is moot?

The powers of the Federal Government have been legally defined over the last 150 years. If you are unhappy with the shift of power to the Federal Government, you are free to avail yourself to our constitutional form of government and get it changed.

What you can't do is define the Constitution the way you want it to read. That is why we have courts

Has the 10th been amendended? If it hasn't then 220 years the powers of the Federal Government have been legally defined

The operative phrase: "What you can't do is define the Constitution the way you want it to read. That is why we have courts"

Amusing how you hide from it and post replies to arguments of your own making. You have a mildly severe case of wingnut dis-ease

 

[Dante]

The Tenth Amendment is a "not statement." As in "¬Federal power is state power." Using it requires delineating what federal power is, which is not a straightforward question (ask Washington and Madison about their decisions to charter a national bank, or Jefferson about his purchase of the Louisiana territory or his determination that the authority to regulate commerce entails the authority to place an embargo on all imports and exports).

Has the tenth been repealed?

Are you even bothering to read other people's posts? It's common courtesy to at least take the time to do that. Especially if you're going to quote them when you're posting your non sequiturs.

I just had a similar experience with IT.

It said an argument was moot, yet I cannot find what argument they are referring to.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Of course it hasn't, and no one has said it has. You are inventing an argument and then winning it -- against yourself.

congratulations: you have officially graduated with honors from the USMB Wingnut Academy.

Well then what does the tenth say?
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
So your arguement is moot. finished over. Next.

Ugh! I had thought you were a serous poster.

sigh

here, below in quotes, is what we were talking about...what argument is moot?

Has the 10th been amendended? If it hasn't then 220 years the powers of the Federal Government have been legally defined

The operative phrase: "What you can't do is define the Constitution the way you want it to read. That is why we have courts"

Amusing how you hide from it and post replies to arguments of your own making. You have a mildly severe case of wingnut dis-ease

What's up thang? you said that the tenth hasn't been repealed if that is the case then you have no arguement. The tenth is the amendment that the people have the right to give the power to a central government or they have the power to take the power away from that central government. We give the Federal power and with the authority from the tenth we can take it away.

 

[rightwinger]

Well then what does the tenth say?
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
So your arguement is moot. finished over. Next.

Ugh! I had thought you were a serous poster.

sigh

here, below in quotes, is what we were talking about...what argument is moot?

The operative phrase: "What you can't do is define the Constitution the way you want it to read. That is why we have courts"

Amusing how you hide from it and post replies to arguments of your own making. You have a mildly severe case of wingnut dis-ease

What's up thang? you said that the tenth hasn't been repealed if that is the case then you have no arguement. The tenth is the amendment that the people have the right to give the power to a central government or they have the power to take the power away from that central government. We give the Federal power and with the authority from the tenth we can take it away.

What are you talking about?

Show me any court case supporting what you just said. Just because you heard it on Glenn Beck doesn't make it so

 

[Dante]

Well then what does the tenth say?
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
So your arguement is moot. finished over. Next.

Ugh! I had thought you were a serous poster.

sigh

here, below in quotes, is what we were talking about...what argument is moot?

The operative phrase: "What you can't do is define the Constitution the way you want it to read. That is why we have courts"

Amusing how you hide from it and post replies to arguments of your own making. You have a mildly severe case of wingnut dis-ease

What's up thang? you said that the tenth hasn't been repealed if that is the case then you have no arguement. The tenth is the amendment that the people have the right to give the power to a central government or they have the power to take the power away from that central government. We give the Federal power and with the authority from the tenth we can take it away.

10th:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
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The amendment itself is separate from the issue of interpretation. Your arguments are based upon an idea called Originalism that has gained ground in the last few decades or so (see page 7: Powered by Google Docs harvard-jlpp.com

---

You make up arguments you then go on to win, arguing against yourself, and then you posit opinion as accepted fact?



at one time you may have been a worthy opponent: when I was still in Junior High School.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Ugh! I had thought you were a serous poster.

sigh

here, below in quotes, is what we were talking about...what argument is moot?

What's up thang? you said that the tenth hasn't been repealed if that is the case then you have no arguement. The tenth is the amendment that the people have the right to give the power to a central government or they have the power to take the power away from that central government. We give the Federal power and with the authority from the tenth we can take it away.

What are you talking about?

Show me any court case supporting what you just said. Just because you heard it on Glenn Beck doesn't make it so

Has the tenth amendment been repealed? A simple yes or no will do.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Ugh! I had thought you were a serous poster.

sigh

here, below in quotes, is what we were talking about...what argument is moot?

What's up thang? you said that the tenth hasn't been repealed if that is the case then you have no arguement. The tenth is the amendment that the people have the right to give the power to a central government or they have the power to take the power away from that central government. We give the Federal power and with the authority from the tenth we can take it away.

10th:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
---

The amendment itself is separate from the issue of interpretation. Your arguments are based upon an idea called Originalism that has gained ground in the last few decades or so (see page 7: Powered by Google Docs harvard-jlpp.com

---

You make up arguments you then go on to win, arguing against yourself, and then you posit opinion as accepted fact?



at one time you may have been a worthy opponent: when I was still in Junior High School.

And you make up your own reality. It takes great faith to exist and be so damn stupid.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I get it...That was a Great job of Gooling for an opinion that matched yours.

Yet, the words of Madison are now supposed to carry weight and veracity when they reflect your central authoritarian politics, but are irrelevant when you have a SCOTUS ruling to cower behind?

Interesting.

I actually don't really have an opinion on the political structures states should or should not be able to institute in the theoretical absence of Article IV. Someone asked why states have the structures they do--that's why they do.

Are you familiar with the concept of a value neutral statement? Or do all statements of fact have ideological purpose in your eyes?

When an ideologue is doing the selective "fact" slinging, like you do, then it's highly unlikely that the ideology of the ideologue isn't in play...Which itself 'splains your cherry picking of the likes of Madison when it suits you.

Understand, folks, that Dude and his peers are among the most demagogic ideologues you will find on any board anywhere in this country.

Their only argument is their interpretation of how the 10th should be interpreted: nothing else. They are the only ones right in the entire country on this issue apparently.

That's psycho talk on their part.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I actually don't really have an opinion on the political structures states should or should not be able to institute in the theoretical absence of Article IV. Someone asked why states have the structures they do--that's why they do.

Are you familiar with the concept of a value neutral statement? Or do all statements of fact have ideological purpose in your eyes?

When an ideologue is doing the selective "fact" slinging, like you do, then it's highly unlikely that the ideology of the ideologue isn't in play...Which itself 'splains your cherry picking of the likes of Madison when it suits you.

Understand, folks, that Dude and his peers are among the most demagogic ideologues you will find on any board anywhere in this country.

Their only argument is their interpretation of how the 10th should be interpreted: nothing else. They are the only ones right in the entire country on this issue apparently.

That's psycho talk on their part.

Come on straky you can do it answer my querstion. Has the tenth Amendment been repealed?

 

[Dante]

Just the facts ma'am.

A man named Gouverneur Morris of Pennsylvania was in charge of the committee to draft the final copy of the Constitution. Other men who had much to do with writing the Constitution included John Dickinson, Gouverneur Morris, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Thomas Paine, Edmund Randolph, James Madison, Roger Sherman, James Wilson, and George Wythe. Morris was given the task of putting all the convention's resolutions and decisions into polished form. Morris actually "wrote" the Constitution. The original copy of the document is preserved in the National Archives Building in Washington, D.C.

Jacob Shallus who, at the time, was assistant clerk of the Pennsylvania State Assembly, and whose office was in the same building in which the Convention was held, was given the task of engrossing the Constitution prior to its being signed.

WikiAnswers - Who wrote the US Constitution

Here we have one man who co-wrote the Federalist, Hamilton -- and another man who is often miscredited with writing the US Constitution, Jefferson.

Thomas Jefferson described the Tenth Amendment as “the foundation of the Constitution” and added, “to take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specially drawn … is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible of any definition.” Jefferson's formulation of this doctrine of “strict construction” was echoed by champions of state sovereignty for many decades.

The opposite, “loose construction” point of view, formulated by Secretary of the Treasury Hamilton, became the model for advocates of extended congressional power; but Hamilton's opinion did not conflict with the substance of the Tenth Amendment. Indeed, to him the Reserved Powers Clause was tautological, expressing a principle that inheres in any republican government. Since Hamilton specifically rejected any claim that Congress could interfere in the internal affairs of a state—such concerns as the governance of the health, morality, education, and welfare of the people—his stand was not an argument against the Tenth Amendment, but against its necessity.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O184-TenthAmendment.html

 

[Dante]

What's up thang? you said that the tenth hasn't been repealed if that is the case then you have no arguement. The tenth is the amendment that the people have the right to give the power to a central government or they have the power to take the power away from that central government. We give the Federal power and with the authority from the tenth we can take it away.

10th:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
---

The amendment itself is separate from the issue of interpretation. Your arguments are based upon an idea called Originalism that has gained ground in the last few decades or so (see page 7: Powered by Google Docs harvard-jlpp.com

---

You make up arguments you then go on to win, arguing against yourself, and then you posit opinion as accepted fact?



at one time you may have been a worthy opponent: when I was still in Junior High School.

And you make up your own reality. It takes great faith to exist and be so damn stupid.

Where have I made my own reality?

You are the one who thinks in a vacuum. You cannot point to one thing I wrote in this thread that is contrary to accepted reality. But I can and have pointed to you positing opinion as accepted fact.

 

[rightwinger]

What's up thang? you said that the tenth hasn't been repealed if that is the case then you have no arguement. The tenth is the amendment that the people have the right to give the power to a central government or they have the power to take the power away from that central government. We give the Federal power and with the authority from the tenth we can take it away.

What are you talking about?

Show me any court case supporting what you just said. Just because you heard it on Glenn Beck doesn't make it so

Has the tenth amendment been repealed? A simple yes or no will do.

No..



And your interpretation of the 10th Amendment has never been accepted by any court....so You Lose

 

[Dante]

Understand, folks, that Dude and his peers are among the most demagogic ideologues you will find on any board anywhere in this country.

Their only argument is their interpretation of how the 10th should be interpreted: nothing else. They are the only ones right in the entire country on this issue apparently.

That's psycho talk on their part.

I along with most of the others here, have known this for quite a while.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

What are you talking about?

Show me any court case supporting what you just said. Just because you heard it on Glenn Beck doesn't make it so

Has the tenth amendment been repealed? A simple yes or no will do.

No..



And your interpretation of the 10th Amendment has never been accepted by any court....so You Lose

Well then what does it say?
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
You lose, game set and match

 

[Dante]

What are you talking about?

Show me any court case supporting what you just said. Just because you heard it on Glenn Beck doesn't make it so

Has the tenth amendment been repealed? A simple yes or no will do.

No..



And your interpretation of the 10th Amendment has never been accepted by any court....so You Lose

then there is that pesky little thing called the Rebellion of traitors from the South: the Confederacy and their disastrous America Civil War.

 

[Dante]

Has the tenth amendment been repealed? A simple yes or no will do.

No..



And your interpretation of the 10th Amendment has never been accepted by any court....so You Lose

Well then what does it say?
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
You lose, game set and match

are you a 'the Confederacy was right' type? would you be hostile to Civil Rights?

In 1883, the Supreme Court, having already limited the Fourteenth Amendment's protections of the rights of freedmen, declared the Civil Rights Act of 1875 unconstitutional on the ground that it was “repugnant to the Tenth Amendment” (Civil Rights Cases, p. 15). During the next generation, the Court struck down a number of state exercises of the police power—in keeping with the Tenth Amendment's “prohibited by it to the states” clause—yet it never once allowed Congress to exercise a police power itself.

Erosion of the Tenth Amendment began early in the twentieth century. In 1895 Congress passed an act forbidding the shipment of lottery tickets in interstate commerce. The purpose was only nominally a regulation of commerce: its real purpose was to restrict gambling, a matter that had always been the exclusive domain of the states. In Champion v. Ames (1903), the Supreme Court upheld the act. The next year, the Court in McCray v. United States upheld a congressional act imposing a prohibitive excise tax on oleomargarine, which amounted to an exercise of a police power to protect the health of the citizenry, under the guise of a constitutional exercise of the power to levy taxes for the “general welfare.”

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O184-TenthAmendment.html

 

[rightwinger]

Has the tenth amendment been repealed? A simple yes or no will do.

No..



And your interpretation of the 10th Amendment has never been accepted by any court....so You Lose

Well then what does it say?
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
You lose, game set and match

Yea.....tell it to Jefferson Davis

 

[bigrebnc1775]

10th:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
---

The amendment itself is separate from the issue of interpretation. Your arguments are based upon an idea called Originalism that has gained ground in the last few decades or so (see page 7: Powered by Google Docs harvard-jlpp.com

---

You make up arguments you then go on to win, arguing against yourself, and then you posit opinion as accepted fact?



at one time you may have been a worthy opponent: when I was still in Junior High School.

And you make up your own reality. It takes great faith to exist and be so damn stupid.

Where have I made my own reality?

You are the one who thinks in a vacuum. You cannot point to one thing I wrote in this thread that is contrary to accepted reality. But I can and have pointed to you positing opinion as accepted fact.

Since you still presist to argue thgen yes you live in your own private reality.

What is that you do not understand
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
The people of this country gives power to the central government with the authority and by the right of the tenth amendment we can take that power away.
Unless you work for obama or a recepiant of government hand outs you should agree with this and wish to keep the power in the hands of the people.

 

[Big Fitz]

No..



And your interpretation of the 10th Amendment has never been accepted by any court....so You Lose

Well then what does it say?
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
You lose, game set and match

are you a 'the Confederacy was right' type? would you be hostile to Civil Rights?

In 1883, the Supreme Court, having already limited the Fourteenth Amendment's protections of the rights of freedmen, declared the Civil Rights Act of 1875 unconstitutional on the ground that it was “repugnant to the Tenth Amendment” (Civil Rights Cases, p. 15). During the next generation, the Court struck down a number of state exercises of the police power—in keeping with the Tenth Amendment's “prohibited by it to the states” clause—yet it never once allowed Congress to exercise a police power itself.

Erosion of the Tenth Amendment began early in the twentieth century. In 1895 Congress passed an act forbidding the shipment of lottery tickets in interstate commerce. The purpose was only nominally a regulation of commerce: its real purpose was to restrict gambling, a matter that had always been the exclusive domain of the states. In Champion v. Ames (1903), the Supreme Court upheld the act. The next year, the Court in McCray v. United States upheld a congressional act imposing a prohibitive excise tax on oleomargarine, which amounted to an exercise of a police power to protect the health of the citizenry, under the guise of a constitutional exercise of the power to levy taxes for the “general welfare.”

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O184-TenthAmendment.html

Oh for ****'s sake!... have you EVER had a thought that didn't come from Rules for Radicals? What kinda bullshit is that?

To illustrate a point, lemme ask you, have you ever met a competent minority able to take care of themselves? Or do they always need a white man to take care of them?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

No..



And your interpretation of the 10th Amendment has never been accepted by any court....so You Lose

Well then what does it say?
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
You lose, game set and match

Yea.....tell it to Jefferson Davis

Just because the south lost the war doesn't mean I do not have the right to invoke the tenth amendment. Unless you are saying it's repealed.