Yes, yes.
You people are all so wonderful because you think we should be allowed to decide who lives and who dies. The most helpless among us need to die. Murderers need to live. It's as simple as that.
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You people are all so wonderful because you think we should be allowed to decide who lives and who dies. The most helpless among us need to die. Murderers need to live. It's as simple as that.
WinterBorn
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You made a claim that the law will change for the worse. The law has been on the books in Oregon for 20 years. I simply asked where the change was. You have no answer so you pretend it is my ignorance. I find that amusing.
As with any issue the left brings up, historically it will changed over time. This one is still on the back burner, but liberals in Washington are waiting for the right time to bring it to the forefront. They're still waiting for enough public acceptance to go farther.
You know this, but like to play dumb.
WinterBorn
Diamond Member
I know what it is like to watch a relative suffer needless agony. I know we can be vigilant and still be merciful.
There you go. You had a decent argument for awhile, but instead you tried to put words in my mouth and lost it.
I don't enjoy anyone's agony. The problem I have with this issue is where it's going, not where it is today. I've made that abundantly clear.
WinterBorn
Diamond Member
I did not put words in your mouth. I stated something about me.
I understand what you fear. I do not want it to become a method of disposal for the inconvenient. But I believe we can help that terminally ill without that happening. We remain vigilant.
But to the left you're a useful idiot. You want to be compassionate, but you buy into a political system that wants to abuse their power. The people you seem to support aren't just happy with being able to pull the plug on someone. They want to eventually get to the point that they can be selective about who is born and who should die, and over time, this can be abused and be both legal and socially acceptable.
WinterBorn
Diamond Member
I don't support left- wing politicians. I don't support right-wing politicians. I support people with whom I agree. If I had to identify with a political party, it would be the Libertarian party.
Not being an idiot, I am not anyone's "useful idiot".
You don't think you are, but you are. Libertarians aren't much different from Democrats. They're usually pot-smoking liberals that believe in little or no government.....which is what a liberal used to be.
WinterBorn
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I am who I am. Pigeonholing me accomplishes nothing except to avoid the topic.
The laws, as passed, are good ones. To remove them out of fear of what they might be changed into is nonsense.
Dana7360
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I was on vacation in Maui when a monster 15 ft wave fell on top of me, put me face down in the water and then more monster waves prevented me from standing up and walking out.
By the time I was pulled from the water, I was just a ball spinning round and round going in and out with the waves.
The lifeguards pulled me out and kept telling me to move my feet, toes and legs. I kept telling them they were fine and moved them. It was my arms and hands. I couldn't feel or move my arms and hands.
I was put in an aid car and rushed to the hospital. I went into the coma on the way to the hospital. The doctors asked my husband if I had a living will because they didn't think I was going to wake up from that coma.
I did wake up. I fought with all I had to wake up and live.
My right hand was a claw. My left was a little better. I had some movement and feeling but all I felt was terrible excruciating pain.
I spent the next nearly 4 years in recovery working to get the feeling and use back into my hands and arms.
I had 3 surgeries along the way.
I know what it's like to be paralyzed. I lived it. I know what excruciating and debilitating pain is. I lived it.
To say that being paralyzed is a beautiful place is nothing even close to reality. It's a nightmare.
Tell me, how to you scratch an itch anywhere on your body when you have no use of your arms and hands? Tell me how you can eat, write, wash yourself, wash your hair or do any of the things we do with our hands and arms that we take for granted every day?
There were MANY times I wanted to die. Or I wished that the waves had killed me. But I didn't die. I lived to endure the years of recovery and will endure the injuries, pain and limited use of my hands and arms for the rest of my life.
I made the choice to fight and live. However, that was MY choice to make. No one else's.
Just as making the choice to not live anymore is a person's choice to make. No one else's.
That's a matter of opinion. However, removal of laws isn't the problem. The eventual endgame is.
You may say that people are acting like Chicken Little when it comes to anything that has to do with Democrats, but over the years it always ends up being prophetic. Name the issue and I can point out the original intent stated by Democrats and show you the progression to it's present form, which is totally adverse to the original stated intent. Gun legislation, immigration, Man-made Climate Change, you name the issue and we discover that they are always introduced in a seemingly harmless form, but eventually morph into a perverted end.
Tipsy is okay with suicide- or family pressuring someone into suicide- just so long as they use the gun that God guaranteed every American.
Tipsy just is against suicide- or family pressuring someone into suicide- by any means other than using the gun that God intended people to commit suicide with.
20 years of assisted suicide in Oregon. Muddy can't find any evidence of 'slippery slope' so he makes up an imaginary 'end game'.
What is the end game for gun advocates then?
We know that one of the leading causes of death by suicide are guns.
Not all of those suicides are by gun, but a majority are. And while some people feeling suicidal impulses will choose another method if a gun is not at hand, public health researchers cite two reasons guns are particularly dangerous: 1) Guns are more lethal than most other methods people try, so someone who attempts suicide another way is more likely to survive; 2) Studies suggest that suicide attempts often occur shortly after people decide to kill themselves, so people with deadly means at hand when the impulse strikes are more likely to use them than those who have to wait or plan.
That means that strategies that make suicide more inconvenient or difficult can save lives. Guns, when they are in the home, can make self-harm both easy and deadly.
All suicides
- Number of deaths: 41,149
- Deaths per 100,000 population: 13.0
- Cause of death rank: 10
- Number of deaths: 21,175
- Deaths per 100,000 population: 6.7
The opponents of medically assisted suicide are almost always fierce gun rights advocates. And most suicides are by gun.
What is their 'end game"?
Right wingers like Muddy and Tipsy don't think you should have that choice.
Unless you want to kill yourself with a gun.
HenryBHough
Diamond Member
Only fitting to formalize it.
California has been politically suicidal for decades.
California has been politically suicidal for decades.
Thanks for the input, Rainman.
You are welcome Simple Jack.
Meanwhile- bears repeating.
20 years of assisted suicide in Oregon. Muddy can't find any evidence of 'slippery slope' so he makes up an imaginary 'end game'.
What is the end game for gun advocates then?
We know that one of the leading causes of death by suicide are guns.
Not all of those suicides are by gun, but a majority are. And while some people feeling suicidal impulses will choose another method if a gun is not at hand, public health researchers cite two reasons guns are particularly dangerous: 1) Guns are more lethal than most other methods people try, so someone who attempts suicide another way is more likely to survive; 2) Studies suggest that suicide attempts often occur shortly after people decide to kill themselves, so people with deadly means at hand when the impulse strikes are more likely to use them than those who have to wait or plan.
That means that strategies that make suicide more inconvenient or difficult can save lives. Guns, when they are in the home, can make self-harm both easy and deadly.
All suicides
- Number of deaths: 41,149
- Deaths per 100,000 population: 13.0
- Cause of death rank: 10
- Number of deaths: 21,175
- Deaths per 100,000 population: 6.7
The opponents of medically assisted suicide are almost always fierce gun rights advocates. And most suicides are by gun.
What is their 'end game"?
If Oregon operated in the same vacuum you operate in, they'd have run out of air by now.
What is really sad about your posts is that they show how vacuous your claims are.
Oregon has had legal assisted suicide for 20 years now- you can't find anything wrong with it, so you are just left with the usual wingnut predictions of doooooooooooooom!
Meanwhile
What is the end game for gun advocates then?
We know that one of the leading causes of death by suicide are guns.
Not all of those suicides are by gun, but a majority are. And while some people feeling suicidal impulses will choose another method if a gun is not at hand, public health researchers cite two reasons guns are particularly dangerous: 1) Guns are more lethal than most other methods people try, so someone who attempts suicide another way is more likely to survive; 2) Studies suggest that suicide attempts often occur shortly after people decide to kill themselves, so people with deadly means at hand when the impulse strikes are more likely to use them than those who have to wait or plan.
That means that strategies that make suicide more inconvenient or difficult can save lives. Guns, when they are in the home, can make self-harm both easy and deadly.
All suicides
- Number of deaths: 41,149
- Deaths per 100,000 population: 13.0
- Cause of death rank: 10
- Number of deaths: 21,175
- Deaths per 100,000 population: 6.7
The opponents of medically assisted suicide are almost always fierce gun rights advocates. And most suicides are by gun.
What is their 'end game"?
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