But....Japan has extreme gun control? Didn't anyone tell the criminals?

[JoeB131]

The Japanese have extreme gun control and yet their criminals still get guns...all the guns they want or need...gun control doesn't stop criminals, you idiot.

Except we have 14,000 gun homicides a year and they have maybe four.

You keep leaving that part out.

 

[bodecea]

From last year......just found it...

At around 11:35 a.m. on Tuesday, two gunmen opened fire at Yoshihiro Oyadomari, the 64-year-old boss of the Furukawa-gumi, and a 61-year-old fellow gang member in front of a FamilyMart convenience store
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Oyadomari was struck in the left hand. The other gangster was shot in the buttocks. Neither victim is in a life-threatening condition, police said previously.

In dashboard camera footage shot by a taxi, Fujimura can be seen running from the general direction of the convenience store while fleeing the scene.

The Furukawa-gumi is an affiliate gang of the Kobe Yamaguchi-gumi, which formed as a rival to the Yamaguchi-gumi in 2015. The shooting is just the latest incident involving the two gangs.

Yakuza arrested over Amagasaki shooting that left 2 rival gangsters injured - TokyoReporter

Yakuza arrested over Amagasaki shooting that left 2 rival gangsters injured

www.tokyoreporter.com

So many mass shootings in Japan.....so many......even more than the U.S., right?

 

[JoeB131]

The Japanese criminal justice system bears more heavily on a suspect than any other system in an industrial democratic nation. One American found this out when he was arrested in Okinawa for possessing marijuana: he was interrogated for days without an attorney, and signed a confession written in Japanese that he could not read. He met his lawyer for the first time at his trial, which took 30 minutes.

Uh, yeah... you know, because we treat foreigners so well in our prisons.. Oh, wait. We don't.

Nobody wants to get arrested in a foreign country. That's why you find out what's illegal there and you don't do it.. Stupid.

The most important element of police power, though, is not authority to search, but authority in the community. Like school teachers, Japanese policemen rate high in public esteem, especially in the countryside. Community leaders and role models, the police are trained in calligraphy and Haiku composition. In police per capita, Japan far outranks all other major democracies.

15,000 koban "police boxes" are located throughout the cities. Citizens go to the 24-hour-a-day boxes not only for street directions, but to complain about day-to-day problems, such as noisy neighbors, or to ask advice on how to raise children. Some of the policemen and their families live in the boxes. Police box officers clear 74.6% of all criminal cases cleared. Police box officers also spend time teaching neighborhood youth judo or calligraphy. The officers even hand- write their own newspapers, with information about crime and accidents, "stories about good deeds by children, and opinions of
residents."

Again, not seeing a problem here, we might want to try to adopt something like that. Of course, we need to get the police to stop being so trigger happy to start with.

 

[2aguy]

The Japanese have extreme gun control and yet their criminals still get guns...all the guns they want or need...gun control doesn't stop criminals, you idiot.

Except we have 14,000 gun homicides a year and they have maybe four.

You keep leaving that part out.

Wrong...according to the FBi we had 10,258 in 2019....of those 70-80% were criminals murdering other criminals, and of the rest....about 2.051, in a country of over 320 million people, the majority of the rest are friends and family of the criminals caught in criminal crossfire......

And as you know and ignore, the majority of our gun murders are committed by criminals with long records, released from jail and prison due to democrat party philosophy and actual policies.....


Meanwhile, Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rape, robbery and murder, saving about 175,000 lives a year.......

You keep leaving out these truths, and lie about our gun issues...


if we could stop the democrat party, our gun crime would be lower than Europe.

 

[2aguy]

From last year......just found it...

At around 11:35 a.m. on Tuesday, two gunmen opened fire at Yoshihiro Oyadomari, the 64-year-old boss of the Furukawa-gumi, and a 61-year-old fellow gang member in front of a FamilyMart convenience store
----
Oyadomari was struck in the left hand. The other gangster was shot in the buttocks. Neither victim is in a life-threatening condition, police said previously.

In dashboard camera footage shot by a taxi, Fujimura can be seen running from the general direction of the convenience store while fleeing the scene.

The Furukawa-gumi is an affiliate gang of the Kobe Yamaguchi-gumi, which formed as a rival to the Yamaguchi-gumi in 2015. The shooting is just the latest incident involving the two gangs.

Yakuza arrested over Amagasaki shooting that left 2 rival gangsters injured - TokyoReporter

Yakuza arrested over Amagasaki shooting that left 2 rival gangsters injured

www.tokyoreporter.com

So many mass shootings in Japan.....so many......even more than the U.S., right?

Mass murder in Japan was limited to government action during World War 2 when they murdered over 3 million civillians in the unarmed countries they controlled.

We had one mass public shooting in 2020 as gun ownership and gun carrying expanded by millions.....access to guns doesn't create mass public shootings....mental illness supported by celebrity coverage of mass shooters creates mass shooters....

 

[JoeB131]

Wrong...according to the FBi we had 10,258 in 2019..

According to the CDC, it was 14,500.

I'll go with their numbers.

Either number is way too ******* high.

Meanwhile, Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rape, robbery and murder, saving about 175,000 lives a year.......

Nowhere close. If there were, we'd have more than 200 homicides with guns classified as "Self-defense". You'd have to truly believe that there were 175,000 times someone drew down on a bad guy, but didn't manage to kill him 174,800 times... That just buggers creditibility.

The reality- Sing it with me - a gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a household member than a bad guy.

 

[2aguy]

Wrong...according to the FBi we had 10,258 in 2019..

According to the CDC, it was 14,500.

I'll go with their numbers.

Either number is way too ******* high.

Meanwhile, Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rape, robbery and murder, saving about 175,000 lives a year.......

Nowhere close. If there were, we'd have more than 200 homicides with guns classified as "Self-defense". You'd have to truly believe that there were 175,000 times someone drew down on a bad guy, but didn't manage to kill him 174,800 times... That just buggers creditibility.

The reality- Sing it with me - a gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a household member than a bad guy.

And I'll go with the FBI....the CDC has a long history of anti-gun extremism.

And you lie....again.......the CDC research shows 1.1 million times a year, the Department of Justice Research shows 1.5 million times a year.....lives saved from violent rape, robbery and murder...

The 43 times number was taken back by the guy who came up with it...you have been shown this over and over, that you keep repeating it shows how vile a human you are....

The study where kellerman changed the 43 number to 2.7....followed by analysis that shows why he still doesn't know what he is talking about...

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506

After controlling for these characteristics, we found that keeping a gun in the home was strongly and independently associated with an increased risk of homicide (adjusted odds ratio, 2.7;

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Nine Myths Of Gun Control

Myth #6 "A homeowner is 43 times as likely to be killed or kill a family member as an intruder"

To suggest that science has proven that defending oneself or one's family with a gun is dangerous, gun prohibitionists repeat Dr. Kellermann's long discredited claim: "a gun owner is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder." [17] This fallacy , fabricated using tax dollars, is one of the most misused slogans of the anti-self-defense lobby.

The honest measure of the protective benefits of guns are the lives saved, the injuries prevented, the medical costs saved, and the property protected not Kellermann's burglar or rapist body count.

Only 0.1% (1 in a thousand) of the defensive uses of guns results in the death of the predator. [3]

Any study, such as Kellermann' "43 times" fallacy, that only counts bodies will expectedly underestimate the benefits of gun a thousand fold.

Think for a minute. Would anyone suggest that the only measure of the benefit of law enforcement is the number of people killed by police? Of course not. The honest measure of the benefits of guns are the lives saved, the injuries prevented, the medical costs saved by deaths and injuries averted, and the property protected. 65 lives protected by guns for every life lost to a gun. [2]

Kellermann recently downgraded his estimate to "2.7 times," [18] but he persisted in discredited methodology. He used a method that cannot distinguish between "cause" and "effect." His method would be like finding more diet drinks in the refrigerators of fat people and then concluding that diet drinks "cause" obesity.


Also, he studied groups with high rates of violent criminality, alcoholism, drug addiction, abject poverty, and domestic abuse .


From such a poor and violent study group he attempted to generalize his findings to normal homes

Interestingly, when Dr. Kellermann was interviewed he stated that, if his wife were attacked, he would want her to have a gun for protection.[19] Apparently, Dr. Kellermann doesn't even believe his own studies.


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Public Health and Gun Control: A Review



Since at least the mid-1980s, Dr. Kellermann (and associates), whose work had been heavily-funded by the CDC, published a series of studies purporting to show that persons who keep guns in the home are more likely to be victims of homicide than those who don¹t.

In a 1986 NEJM paper, Dr. Kellermann and associates, for example, claimed their "scientific research" proved that defending oneself or one¹s family with a firearm in the home is dangerous and counter productive, claiming "a gun owner is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder."8

In a critical review and now classic article published in the March 1994 issue of the Journal of the Medical Association of Georgia (JMAG), Dr. Edgar Suter, Chairman of Doctors for Integrity in Policy Research (DIPR), found evidence of "methodologic and conceptual errors," such as prejudicially truncated data and the listing of "the correct methodology which was described but never used by the authors."5

Moreover, the gun control researchers failed to consider and underestimated the protective benefits of guns.

Dr. Suter writes: "The true measure of the protective benefits of guns are the lives and medical costs saved, the injuries prevented, and the property protected ‹ not the burglar or rapist body count.

Since only 0.1 - 0.2 percent of defensive uses of guns involve the death of the criminal, any study, such as this, that counts criminal deaths as the only measure of the protective benefits of guns will expectedly underestimate the benefits of firearms by a factor of 500 to 1,000."5

In 1993, in his landmark and much cited NEJM article (and the research, again, heavily funded by the CDC), Dr. Kellermann attempted to show again that guns in the home are a greater risk to the victims than to the assailants.4 Despite valid criticisms by reputable scholars of his previous works (including the 1986 study), Dr. Kellermann ignored the criticisms and again used the same methodology.

He also used study populations with disproportionately high rates of serious psychosocial dysfunction from three selected state counties, known to be unrepresentative of the general U.S. population.

For example,

53 percent of the case subjects had a history of a household member being arrested,

31 percent had a household history of illicit drug use, 32 percent had a household member hit or hurt in a family fight, and

17 percent had a family member hurt so seriously in a domestic altercation that prompt medical attention was required.
Moreover, both the case studies and control groups in this analysis had a very high incidence of financial instability.

In fact, in this study, gun ownership, the supposedly high risk factor for homicide was not one of the most strongly associated factors for being murdered.

Drinking, illicit drugs, living alone, history of family violence, living in a rented home were all greater individual risk factors for being murdered than a gun in the home. One must conclude there is no basis to apply the conclusions of this study to the general population.

All of these are factors that, as Dr. Suter pointed out, "would expectedly be associated with higher rates of violence and homicide."5

It goes without saying, the results of such a study on gun homicides, selecting this sort of unrepresentative population sample, nullify the authors' generalizations, and their preordained, conclusions can not be extrapolated to the general population.

Moreover, although the 1993 New England Journal of Medicine study purported to show that the homicide victims were killed with a gun ordinarily kept in the home, the fact is that as Kates and associates point out 71.1 percent of the victims were killed by assailants who did not live in the victims¹ household using guns presumably not kept in that home.6

https://crimeresearch.org/wp-conten...ack-of-Public-Health-Research-on-Firearms.pdf

In one of the most well-known public health studies on firearms, Kellermann’s “case sample” consists of 444 homicides that occurred in homes. His control group had 388 individuals who lived near the deceased victims and were of the same sex, race, and age range. After learning about the homicide victims and control subjects—whether they owned a gun, had a drug or alcohol problem, etc.—these authors attempted to see if the probability of a homicide correlated with gun ownership.

Amazingly these studies assume that if someone died from a gun shot, and a gun was owned in the home, that it was the gun in the home that killed that person. The paper is clearly misleading, as it fails to report that in only 8 of these 444 homicide cases was the gun that had been kept in the home the murder weapon.

Moreover, the number of criminals stopped with a gun is much higher than the number killed in defensive gun uses. In fact, the attacker is killed in fewer than 1 out of every 1,000 defensive gun uses. Fix either of these data errors and the results are reversed.



The Fallacy of "43 to 1"

The source of the 43-to-1 ratio is a study of firearm deaths in Seattle homes, conducted by doctors Arthur L. Kellermann and Donald T. Reay ("Protection or Peril?: An Analysis of Firearm-Related Deaths in the Home," New England Journal of Medicine, 1986). Kellerman and Reay totaled up the numbers of firearms murders, suicides, and fatal accidents, and then compared that number to the number of firearm deaths that were classified as justifiable homicides. The ratio of murder, suicide, and accidental death to the justifiable homicides was 43 to 1.

This is what the anti-gun lobbies call "scientific" proof that people (except government employees and security guards) should not have guns.

Of the gun deaths in the home, the vast majority are suicides. In the 43-to-1 figure, suicides account for nearly all the 43 unjustifiable deaths.
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So by counting accidents and suicides, the 43-to-1 factoid ends up including a very large number of fatalities that would have occurred anyway, even if there were no gun in the home.

Now, how about the self-defense homicides, which Kellermann and Reay found to be so rare? Well, the reason that they found such a low total was that they excluded many cases of lawful self-defense. Kellermann and Reay did not count in the self-defense total of any of the cases where a person who had shot an attacker was acquitted on grounds of self-defense, or cases where a conviction was reversed on appeal on grounds related to self-defense. Yet 40% of women who appeal their murder convictions have the conviction reversed on appeal. ("Fighting Back," Time, Jan. 18, 1993.)

In short, the 43-to-1 figure is based on the totally implausible assumption that all the people who die in gun suicides and gun accidents would not kill themselves with something else if guns were unavailable. The figure is also based on a drastic undercount of the number of lawful self-defense homicides.

Moreover, counting dead criminals to measure the efficacy of civilian handgun ownership is ridiculous. Do we measure the efficacy of our police forces by counting how many people the police lawfully kill every year? The benefits of the police — and of home handgun ownership — are not measured by the number of dead criminals, but by the number of crimes prevented. Simplistic counting of corpses tells us nothing about the real safety value of gun ownership for protection.

 

[JoeB131]

And I'll go with the FBI....the CDC has a long history of anti-gun extremism.

Yeah, what an extreme position, not wanting people to be murdered because someone who had no business owning a gun was able to get one. That's just crazy talk. We need to all live in mortal fear that one squirrelly co-worker is going to come shooting up the place tomorrow morning because a Slave Rapist in the 18th Century couldn't write a militia amendment clearly.

And you lie....again.......the CDC research shows 1.1 million times a year, the Department of Justice Research shows 1.5 million times a year.....lives saved from violent rape, robbery and murder...

Wait, now you like the CDC? The FBI puts the number at 47,000 DGU's, and I think even that number is ridiculous, for the reasons stated. You'd have to believe that you gun nuts have a darky in your sites 47K or 1.5MM times a year, and you don't shoot him? No one buys that.

Of the gun deaths in the home, the vast majority are suicides. In the 43-to-1 figure, suicides account for nearly all the 43 unjustifiable deaths.

Yes, exactly. A gun in the home is more likely to be used in a suicide than self-defense, dummy.

 

[2aguy]

And I'll go with the FBI....the CDC has a long history of anti-gun extremism.

Yeah, what an extreme position, not wanting people to be murdered because someone who had no business owning a gun was able to get one. That's just crazy talk. We need to all live in mortal fear that one squirrelly co-worker is going to come shooting up the place tomorrow morning because a Slave Rapist in the 18th Century couldn't write a militia amendment clearly.

And you lie....again.......the CDC research shows 1.1 million times a year, the Department of Justice Research shows 1.5 million times a year.....lives saved from violent rape, robbery and murder...

Wait, now you like the CDC? The FBI puts the number at 47,000 DGU's, and I think even that number is ridiculous, for the reasons stated. You'd have to believe that you gun nuts have a darky in your sites 47K or 1.5MM times a year, and you don't shoot him? No one buys that.

Of the gun deaths in the home, the vast majority are suicides. In the 43-to-1 figure, suicides account for nearly all the 43 unjustifiable deaths.

Yes, exactly. A gun in the home is more likely to be used in a suicide than self-defense, dummy.

Mass public shootings in 2019?

10

Total killed?

73

Mass Public shootings in 2020?

1

Total killed?

5

Muslim terrorist attack in Nice, France using a rental Truck with 5 minutes of driving?

86

This shows that you are irrational...

over 600 million guns in private hands, over 19.4 million Americans with the ability to carry guns legally in public for self defense...........

And a muslim terrorist with a rental truck murdered more people in 5 minutes than two years of mass public shootings in America.........

At the same time, Americans used their legal guns 1.1 million times to save lives.........

You are irrational.....and dangerous.

 

[2aguy]

And I'll go with the FBI....the CDC has a long history of anti-gun extremism.

Yeah, what an extreme position, not wanting people to be murdered because someone who had no business owning a gun was able to get one. That's just crazy talk. We need to all live in mortal fear that one squirrelly co-worker is going to come shooting up the place tomorrow morning because a Slave Rapist in the 18th Century couldn't write a militia amendment clearly.

And you lie....again.......the CDC research shows 1.1 million times a year, the Department of Justice Research shows 1.5 million times a year.....lives saved from violent rape, robbery and murder...

Wait, now you like the CDC? The FBI puts the number at 47,000 DGU's, and I think even that number is ridiculous, for the reasons stated. You'd have to believe that you gun nuts have a darky in your sites 47K or 1.5MM times a year, and you don't shoot him? No one buys that.

Of the gun deaths in the home, the vast majority are suicides. In the 43-to-1 figure, suicides account for nearly all the 43 unjustifiable deaths.

Yes, exactly. A gun in the home is more likely to be used in a suicide than self-defense, dummy.

And suicide has nothing to do with guns....

Fact Check, Gun Control and Suicide

There is no relation between suicide rate and gun ownership rates around the world.

According to the 2016 World Health Statistics report, (2) suicide rates in the four countries cited as having restrictive gun control laws have suicide rates that are comparable to that in the U. S.: Australia, 11.6, Canada, 11.4, France, 15.8, UK, 7.0, and USA 13.7 suicides/100,000. By comparison, Japan has among the highest suicide rates in the world, 23.1/100,000, but gun ownership is extremely rare, 0.6 guns/100 people.

Suicide is a mental health issue. If guns are not available other means are used. Poisoning, in fact, is the most common method of suicide for U. S. females according to the Washington Post (34 % of suicides), and suffocation the second most common method for males (27%).

Secondly, gun ownership rates in France and Canada are not low, as is implied in the Post article. The rate of gun ownership in the U. S. is indeed high at 88.8 guns/100 residents, but gun ownership rates are also among the world’s highest in the other countries cited.

Gun ownership rates in these countries are are as follows: Australia, 15, Canada, 30.8, France, 31.2, and UK 6.2 per 100 residents. (3,4) Gun ownership rates in Saudia Arabia are comparable to that in Canada and France, with 37.8 guns per 100 Saudi residents, yet the lowest suicide rate in the world is in Saudia Arabia (0.3 suicides per 100,000).


Third, recent statistics in the state of Florida show that nearly one third of the guns used in suicides are obtained illegally, putting these firearm deaths beyond control through gun laws.(5)


Fourth, the primary factors affecting suicide rates are personal stresses, cultural, economic, religious factors and demographics.

According to the WHO statistics, the highest rates of suicide in the world are in the Republic of Korea, with 36.8 suicides per 100,000, but India, Japan, Russia, and Hungary all have rates above 20 per 100,000; roughly twice as high as the U.S. and the four countries that are the basis for the Post’s calculation that gun control would reduce U.S. suicide rates by 20 to 38 percent. Lebanon, Oman, and Iraq all have suicide rates below 1.1 per 100,000 people--less than 1/10 the suicide rate in the U. S., and Afghanistan, Algeria, Jamaica, Haiti, and Egypt have low suicide rates that are below 4 per 100,000 in contrast to 13.7 suicides/100,000 in the U. S.

 

[2aguy]

And I'll go with the FBI....the CDC has a long history of anti-gun extremism.

Yeah, what an extreme position, not wanting people to be murdered because someone who had no business owning a gun was able to get one. That's just crazy talk. We need to all live in mortal fear that one squirrelly co-worker is going to come shooting up the place tomorrow morning because a Slave Rapist in the 18th Century couldn't write a militia amendment clearly.

And you lie....again.......the CDC research shows 1.1 million times a year, the Department of Justice Research shows 1.5 million times a year.....lives saved from violent rape, robbery and murder...

Wait, now you like the CDC? The FBI puts the number at 47,000 DGU's, and I think even that number is ridiculous, for the reasons stated. You'd have to believe that you gun nuts have a darky in your sites 47K or 1.5MM times a year, and you don't shoot him? No one buys that.

Of the gun deaths in the home, the vast majority are suicides. In the 43-to-1 figure, suicides account for nearly all the 43 unjustifiable deaths.

Yes, exactly. A gun in the home is more likely to be used in a suicide than self-defense, dummy.

The FBI doesn't have accurate data on defensive gun use.......actual research...

I just averaged the studies at the bottom......I took only studies that exluded military and police gun use.....notice, theses studies which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

 

[JoeB131]

Mass public shootings in 2019?

10

Actually, there were 417 Mass shootings in 2019

There were more mass shootings than days in 2019

365 days. 417 mass shootings.

www.cbsnews.com

But we know how this one goes... You only count Mass shootings if lots of people were killed.

How many mass shootings were there in Japan in 2019? Oh, that's right. NONE. they don't let average citizens own guns.

 

[2aguy]

Mass public shootings in 2019?

10

Actually, there were 417 Mass shootings in 2019

There were more mass shootings than days in 2019

365 days. 417 mass shootings.

www.cbsnews.com

But we know how this one goes... You only count Mass shootings if lots of people were killed.

How many mass shootings were there in Japan in 2019? Oh, that's right. NONE. they don't let average citizens own guns.

No...there weren't 417, you idiot.........

Mother Jones, left wing, anti-gun extremist site uses the actual definition.....your links use any gang banger shooting up a rival gangs house party ........you moron...

US mass shootings, 1982-2020: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed. We adopted that baseline for fatalities when we gathered data in 2012 on three decades worth of cases.
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• Here is a description of the criteria we use:
  
  • The perpetrator took the lives of at least four people. A 2008 FBI report identifies an individual as a mass murderer—versus a spree killer or a serial killer—if he kills four or more people in a single incident (not including himself), typically in a single location. (*In 2013, the US government’s fatality baseline was revised down to three; our database reflects this change beginning from Jan. 2013, as detailed above.)
  • The killings were carried out by a lone shooter. (Except in the case of the Columbine massacre and the Westside Middle School killings, which involved two shooters.)
  • The shootings occurred in a public place. (Except in the case of a party on private property in Crandon, Wisconsin, and another in Seattle, where crowds of strangers had gathered, essentially constituting a public crowd.) Crimes primarily related to gang activity or armed robbery are not included, nor are mass killings that took place in private homes (often stemming from domestic violence).
  • Perpetrators who died or were wounded during the attack are not included in the victim tallies.
  • We included a handful of cases also known as “spree killings“—cases in which the killings occurred in more than one location, but still over a short period of time, that otherwise fit the above criteria.
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Our research focused on indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker. We exclude shootings stemming from more conventionally motivated crimes such as armed robbery or gang violence. (Or in which the perpetrators have not been identified.) Other news outlets and researchers have since published larger tallies that include a wide range of gun crimes in which four or more people have been either wounded or killed. While those larger datasets of multiple-victim shootings are useful for studying the broader problem of gun violence, our investigation provides an in-depth look at a distinct phenomenon—from the firearms used and mental health factors to the growing copycat problem. Tracking mass shootings is complex; we believe ours is the most useful approach for studying this specific phenomenon.


Total murders by mass public shooters...1982-2017


795


knife murders.....2009-2013.....

2009----1,836
2010----1,933
2011----1,611
2012---1,769
2013---1.956
2015....1,589
2016....1,632
2017....1,591


Rifle murder....

2009---351
2010---367
2011---332
2012---298
2013---285

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Here you go...the number of mass public shootings according to Mother Jones...rabid, anti gun, left wing news source.....not the NRA...

The list below comes from the old definition of 4 killed to make a shooting a mass shooting...if you now go to the link there are more than listed below...but that is because Mother Jones changed the list from the time I first posted it...and changed to obama's new standard of only 3 dead to make a mass shooting...

I have put obama's updated number in parenthesis..........

we will see....


US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

2019....10

2018... 12

2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1

 

[2aguy]

Mass public shootings in 2019?

10

Actually, there were 417 Mass shootings in 2019

There were more mass shootings than days in 2019

365 days. 417 mass shootings.

www.cbsnews.com

But we know how this one goes... You only count Mass shootings if lots of people were killed.

How many mass shootings were there in Japan in 2019? Oh, that's right. NONE. they don't let average citizens own guns.

The Yakuza gets all the guns they want or need, you dope.......and you are the one always bitching about the police in the U.S.....the police in Japan make our police look like saints.......

 

[JoeB131]

No...there weren't 417, you idiot.........

Mother Jones, left wing, anti-gun extremist site uses the actual definition.....your links use any gang banger shooting up a rival gangs house party ........you moron...

I'll go with the official definition, more than four people shot besides the shooter.

417.

it actually went up in 2020, 611. I thought it would have gone down because people can't actually congregate...

Mass shootings hit a record high in 2020. Can COVID-19 vaccines bring peace in 2021?

Mass shootings jumped nearly 50% in 2020 amid the COVID-19 pandemic, Black Lives Matter protests and economic fears. Could vaccines bring more peace?

www.usatoday.com

 

[JoeB131]

The Yakuza gets all the guns they want or need, you dope.......and you are the one always bitching about the police in the U.S.....the police in Japan make our police look like saints.......

Really? How many people did Japanese police shoot last year?

Well, I can't even find figures for 2020, but in 2018, it was a whopping 2 people.

Compared to the US, where police shot 1146 people in 2019.

List of countries with annual rates and counts for killings by law enforcement officers - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Hmmmm... What do we see here as a pattern, Dick Tiny.

Now to be fair, a Japanese cop doesn't have to be a trigger happy loon like an American cop, because he's not dealing the a JRA dumping hundreds of semi-automatic weapons into the general populace. Sure, the Yakuza can get weapons, but they know the shit is going to get very serious if they use them very often.

 

[2aguy]

No...there weren't 417, you idiot.........

Mother Jones, left wing, anti-gun extremist site uses the actual definition.....your links use any gang banger shooting up a rival gangs house party ........you moron...

I'll go with the official definition, more than four people shot besides the shooter.

417.

it actually went up in 2020, 611. I thought it would have gone down because people can't actually congregate...

Mass shootings hit a record high in 2020. Can COVID-19 vaccines bring peace in 2021?

Mass shootings jumped nearly 50% in 2020 amid the COVID-19 pandemic, Black Lives Matter protests and economic fears. Could vaccines bring more peace?

www.usatoday.com

The mother jones definition is the actual definition you nit wit......yours is made up to make up fake mass public shooting totals...since you asshats realize that since the majority of Americans don't live in democrat voting districts, they won't be shot by criminals....so you have to scare them with mass public shootings, the most rare of rare events in this country......

 

[2aguy]

The Yakuza gets all the guns they want or need, you dope.......and you are the one always bitching about the police in the U.S.....the police in Japan make our police look like saints.......

Really? How many people did Japanese police shoot last year?

Well, I can't even find figures for 2020, but in 2018, it was a whopping 2 people.

Compared to the US, where police shot 1146 people in 2019.

List of countries with annual rates and counts for killings by law enforcement officers - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Hmmmm... What do we see here as a pattern, Dick Tiny.

Now to be fair, a Japanese cop doesn't have to be a trigger happy loon like an American cop, because he's not dealing the a JRA dumping hundreds of semi-automatic weapons into the general populace. Sure, the Yakuza can get weapons, but they know the shit is going to get very serious if they use them very often.

The police in Japan have police powers that would make your skin crawl.......when they arrest you, you go to prison, and you can't complain about it.....

You would love the American police going house to house each year to inspect homes, and interrogate people.......right?

Japan: Gun Control and People Control

Japan's low crime rate has almost nothing to do with gun control, and everything to do with people control. Americans, used to their own traditions of freedom, would not accept Japan's system of people controls and gun controls.



Robbery in Japan is about as rare as murder. Japan's annual robbery rate is 1.8 per 100,000 inhabitants; America's is 205.4. Do the gun banners have the argument won when they point to these statistics? No, they don't. A realistic examination of Japanese culture leads to the conclusion that gun control has little, if anything, to do with Japan's low crime rates. Japan's lack of crime is more the result of the very extensive powers of the Japanese police, and the distinctive relation of the Japanese citizenry to authority. Further, none of the reasons which have made gun control succeed in Japan (in terms of disarming citizens) exist in the U.S.

The Japanese criminal justice system bears more heavily on a suspect than any other system in an industrial democratic nation. One American found this out when he was arrested in Okinawa for possessing marijuana: he was interrogated for days without an attorney, and signed a confession written in Japanese that he could not read. He met his lawyer for the first time at his trial, which took 30 minutes.

Unlike in the United States, where the Miranda rule limits coercive police interrogation techniques, Japanese police and prosecutors may detain a suspect indefinitely until he confesses.

(Technically, detentions are only allowed for three days, followed by ten day extensions approved by a judge, but defense attorneys rarely oppose the extension request, for fear of offending the prosecutor.)

Bail is denied if it would interfere with interrogation.

Even after interrogation is completed, pretrial detention may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a detained suspect, and those meetings are strictly limited.

Partly as a result of these coercive practices, and partly as a result of the Japanese sense of shame, the confession rate is 95%.

For those few defendants who dare to go to trial, there is no jury. Since judges almost always defer to the prosecutors' judgment, the trial conviction rate for violent crime is 99.5%.


Of those convicted, 98% receive jail time.

In short, once a Japanese suspect is apprehended, the power of the prosecutor makes it very likely the suspect will go to jail. And the power of the policeman makes it quite likely that a criminal will be apprehended.

The police routinely ask "suspicious" characters to show what is in their purse or sack. In effect, the police can search almost anyone, almost anytime, because courts only rarely exclude evidence seized by the police -- even if the police acted illegally.

The most important element of police power, though, is not authority to search, but authority in the community. Like school teachers, Japanese policemen rate high in public esteem, especially in the countryside. Community leaders and role models, the police are trained in calligraphy and Haiku composition. In police per capita, Japan far outranks all other major democracies.

15,000 koban "police boxes" are located throughout the cities. Citizens go to the 24-hour-a-day boxes not only for street directions, but to complain about day-to-day problems, such as noisy neighbors, or to ask advice on how to raise children. Some of the policemen and their families live in the boxes. Police box officers clear 74.6% of all criminal cases cleared. Police box officers also spend time teaching neighborhood youth judo or calligraphy. The officers even hand- write their own newspapers, with information about crime and accidents, "stories about good deeds by children, and opinions of
residents."

The police box system contrasts sharply with the practice in America. Here, most departments adopt a policy of "stranger policing." To prevent corruption, police are frequently rotated from one neighborhood to another. But as federal judge Charles Silberman writes, "the cure is worse than the disease, for officers develop no sense of identification with their beats, hence no emotional stake in improving the quality of life there."

Thus, the U.S. citizenry does not develop a supportive relationship with the police. One poll showed that 60% of police officers believe "it is difficult to persuade people to give patrolmen the information they need."

The Japanese police do not spend all their time in the koban boxes.

As the Japanese government puts it: "Home visit is one of the most important duties of officers assigned to police boxes." Making annual visits to each home in their beat, officers keep track of who lives where, and which family member to contact in case of emergency.

The police also check on all gun licensees, to make sure no gun has been stolen or misused, that the gun is securely stored, and that the licensees are emotionally stable.

Gun banners might rejoice at a society where the police keep such a sharp eye on citizens' guns. But the price is that the police keep an eye on everything.

Policemen are apt to tell people reading sexually-oriented magazines to read something more worthwhile. Japan's major official year-end police report includes statistics like "Background and Motives for Girls' Sexual Misconduct." In 1985, the police determined that 37.4% of the girls had been seduced, and the rest had had sex "voluntarily." For the volunteers, 19.6% acted "out of curiosity", while for 18.1%, the motive was "liked particular boy." The year-end police report also includes sections on labor demands, and on anti-nuclear or anti-military demonstrations.

 

[2aguy]

No...there weren't 417, you idiot.........

Mother Jones, left wing, anti-gun extremist site uses the actual definition.....your links use any gang banger shooting up a rival gangs house party ........you moron...

I'll go with the official definition, more than four people shot besides the shooter.

417.

it actually went up in 2020, 611. I thought it would have gone down because people can't actually congregate...

Mass shootings hit a record high in 2020. Can COVID-19 vaccines bring peace in 2021?

Mass shootings jumped nearly 50% in 2020 amid the COVID-19 pandemic, Black Lives Matter protests and economic fears. Could vaccines bring more peace?

www.usatoday.com

Again...since you are an idiot and a liar....

US mass shootings, 1982-2020: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed. We adopted that baseline for fatalities when we gathered data in 2012 on three decades worth of cases.
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• Here is a description of the criteria we use:
  • The perpetrator took the lives of at least four people. A 2008 FBI report identifies an individual as a mass murderer—versus a spree killer or a serial killer—if he kills four or more people in a single incident (not including himself), typically in a single location. (*In 2013, the US government’s fatality baseline was revised down to three; our database reflects this change beginning from Jan. 2013, as detailed above.)
  • The killings were carried out by a lone shooter. (Except in the case of the Columbine massacre and the Westside Middle School killings, which involved two shooters.)
  • The shootings occurred in a public place. (Except in the case of a party on private property in Crandon, Wisconsin, and another in Seattle, where crowds of strangers had gathered, essentially constituting a public crowd.) Crimes primarily related to gang activity or armed robbery are not included, nor are mass killings that took place in private homes (often stemming from domestic violence).
  • Perpetrators who died or were wounded during the attack are not included in the victim tallies.
  • We included a handful of cases also known as “spree killings“—cases in which the killings occurred in more than one location, but still over a short period of time, that otherwise fit the above criteria.
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Our research focused on indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker. We exclude shootings stemming from more conventionally motivated crimes such as armed robbery or gang violence. (Or in which the perpetrators have not been identified.) Other news outlets and researchers have since published larger tallies that include a wide range of gun crimes in which four or more people have been either wounded or killed. While those larger datasets of multiple-victim shootings are useful for studying the broader problem of gun violence, our investigation provides an in-depth look at a distinct phenomenon—from the firearms used and mental health factors to the growing copycat problem. Tracking mass shootings is complex; we believe ours is the most useful approach for studying this specific phenomenon.

 

[JoeB131]

The mother jones definition is the actual definition you nit wit......yours is made up to make up fake mass public shooting totals...since you asshats realize that since the majority of Americans don't live in democrat voting districts, they won't be shot by criminals....so you have to scare them with mass public shootings, the most rare of rare events in this country......

No, actually, it isn't. The actual definition is any event where four people are shot not including the shooter.

417 in 2019
618 in 2020