But...Europe has gun control.....and no 2nd Amendment....but growing gang shootings? But, how is that possible?

[2aguy]

Sweden, used to be a peaceful place........they don't have a 2nd Amendment and the anti-gun fanatics will tell us that Europe has gun control laws....

The criminals don't seem to care about those laws....in particular the immigrants who make up the drug gangs....


Now Belgium? And the Netherlands too?

I keep telling the anti-gun fanatics here on U.S. messageboard that the crime rates in Europe had been low because they were recovering from the devastation of World War 2 while here in the U.S. in the 1960s, the democrat party decided to destroy the nuclear family using the "Great Society...." so we had a jump on rising crime rates......

Now, Europe is on the move, and their criminals need guns.......and they are getting those guns...

And this proliferation of inter gang battles has been supplied by an abundant stream of guns and explosives in Sweden. Police estimate there are 3,000 illegal firearms in Stockholm alone, around three times the number thought to be in London, a city with around ten times the population.
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According to police data, the most common firearm used in gang attacks is the Serbian-made Zastava handgun. Sven Granath, an intelligence analyst at the Swedish Police Authority, said more and more shootings are being carried out with black market Glocks, seen by Sweden’s new breed of hitmen as the BMW of the gun world. Guns are mainly imported from eastern Europe and the Balkans through Germany and Denmark. There is also a good supply of Kalashnikov (AK-47) assault rifles, hand grenades, powerful firecrackers and make-shift bombs made from thermos flasks packed with explosives.
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Barely a day goes by in this wealthy Scandinavian country without a shooting or an explosion. In the early 2000s the number of annual gun homicides in the country was in single digits and one of the lowest in Europe. Now Sweden, with a population of just over 10 million, is a country that alongside Croatia has Europe’s highest gun homicide rate. Last year there were a record 391 shootings and 63 people shot to death, alongside 90 explosions involving hand grenades and home-made explosives. Already this year there have been 71 shootings, injuring 19 people and killing 7, as well as 38 explosions.
With rising gang warfare involving guns and explosives on the streets of other seemingly peaceful northern European nations, and innocent bystanders being caught in the crossfire, it’s a part of Europe now facing an existential threat from the kind of gangland executions and creeping corruption many associate with Mexican cartels or the Italian mafia. But unlike Belgium and the Netherlands, whose massive cocaine smuggling ports have turned them into a magnet for violent international crime gangs, Sweden’s bullet-strewn crime wave has seemingly come out of nowhere.
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“In Sweden there used to be a handful of big actors [crime bosses] who could get in large amounts of drugs from the Netherlands and Spain,” said Manne Gerell, a criminologist at Malmo University. “Now there’s a lot more of them. Instead of having big cartels there is a lot more competition, more actors who can compete on the market to bring in narcotics.”
A plethora of young neighbourhood gangs, most named after their own districts, are now fighting for power and recognition. It is a shift that Gerell suspects is a factor in why Sweden is suffering so much violence now.

But this rise in violence is not just about drugs and money. It’s about a plethora of petty feuds and arguments that have become more deadly – such as the high profile murder of 19-year-old Swedish rapper Einar, shot to death in Stockholm in 2021 – as a culture of violence and guns has infected the entire crime world in Sweden.
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What’s more, Sweden’s violence is leaking out into the rest of Europe, where its gangland feuds have played out across Denmark, the UK and Spain.
---

In March last year, in an attack which sums up this new era of chaos in Sweden’s crime world, a 16-year-old hitman burst into a gym in central Stockholm to carry out the contract killing of a 40-year-old member of the Bandido motorcycle gang. Instead the boy killed an innocent bystander in his 50s, for which he was sentenced to two years and 11 months in closed youth care.
In February 15-year-old Ali Shafaei, who came to Sweden from Afghanistan in 2019, was shot to death in a restaurant in Stockholm’s suburbs. Two boys, aged 15 and 17, were arrested for being involved in his murder. Days before a video of a teenager shooting up a door in a Stockholm housing estate with an AK-47 went viral.

‘Killing Is Simple’: Fear and Bloodshed in One of Europe’s Wealthiest Nations

How a perfect storm of gangland chaos, segregated youth and a glut of weapons has turned Sweden into Europe's gun homicide capital.

www.vice.com

 

[Failzero]

Islamists like Guns & hate Dogs

 

[2aguy]

What about Belgium and the Netherlands?


The extreme gang violence that has been unravelling over the past decade in Belgium and the Netherlands is linked inextricably to the high seas, seeping out of the two ports and into the streets of the region’s major cities.
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Rotterdam and Amsterdam have been hit by similar rises in open gang warfare. In Rotterdam, at least three men were shot dead in separategangland-style killings this spring, while a building was peppered with bullets and then bombed. Police suspect the violence was related to the interception of 4,200 kilos of cocaine by the authorities in the port of Antwerp the previous month.


Can any anti-gun fanatics tell us if Anti-tank rockets are illegal in Europe?....just asking....for a friend.....




In Amsterdam, there’s been a steady rise in underworld violence over the last eight years. In 2014, crime lord Gwenette Martha was mowed down in a hail of more than 80 bullets outside a kebab shop; a severed head was leftoutside a café in 2016; an anti-tank rocket was fired into the offices of a major newspaper in 2018; and, in December of 2019, Derk Wiersum – the lawyer for a state witness in a major mob trial – was shot dead in front of his wife outside their home.
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“The old-school rules and codes of conduct among the underworld no longer seem to apply,” says Dutch criminologist Dr Robby Roks, who has studied the underworld’s evolution over the past few decades. “Gangs used to focus their attacks on those directly tied to organised crime themselves, not lawyers or family members. Some of the shootings have been in broad daylight, in close proximity to schools, and also a few times the wrong people were killed. This seems to have to do with the actual hitmen being younger and much less experienced.”

 

[rightwinger]

Sweden, used to be a peaceful place........they don't have a 2nd Amendment and the anti-gun fanatics will tell us that Europe has gun control laws....

The criminals don't seem to care about those laws....in particular the immigrants who make up the drug gangs....


Now Belgium? And the Netherlands too?

I keep telling the anti-gun fanatics here on U.S. messageboard that the crime rates in Europe had been low because they were recovering from the devastation of World War 2 while here in the U.S. in the 1960s, the democrat party decided to destroy the nuclear family using the "Great Society...." so we had a jump on rising crime rates......

Now, Europe is on the move, and their criminals need guns.......and they are getting those guns...

And this proliferation of inter gang battles has been supplied by an abundant stream of guns and explosives in Sweden. Police estimate there are 3,000 illegal firearms in Stockholm alone, around three times the number thought to be in London, a city with around ten times the population.
----

According to police data, the most common firearm used in gang attacks is the Serbian-made Zastava handgun. Sven Granath, an intelligence analyst at the Swedish Police Authority, said more and more shootings are being carried out with black market Glocks, seen by Sweden’s new breed of hitmen as the BMW of the gun world. Guns are mainly imported from eastern Europe and the Balkans through Germany and Denmark. There is also a good supply of Kalashnikov (AK-47) assault rifles, hand grenades, powerful firecrackers and make-shift bombs made from thermos flasks packed with explosives.
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Barely a day goes by in this wealthy Scandinavian country without a shooting or an explosion. In the early 2000s the number of annual gun homicides in the country was in single digits and one of the lowest in Europe. Now Sweden, with a population of just over 10 million, is a country that alongside Croatia has Europe’s highest gun homicide rate. Last year there were a record 391 shootings and 63 people shot to death, alongside 90 explosions involving hand grenades and home-made explosives. Already this year there have been 71 shootings, injuring 19 people and killing 7, as well as 38 explosions.
With rising gang warfare involving guns and explosives on the streets of other seemingly peaceful northern European nations, and innocent bystanders being caught in the crossfire, it’s a part of Europe now facing an existential threat from the kind of gangland executions and creeping corruption many associate with Mexican cartels or the Italian mafia. But unlike Belgium and the Netherlands, whose massive cocaine smuggling ports have turned them into a magnet for violent international crime gangs, Sweden’s bullet-strewn crime wave has seemingly come out of nowhere.
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“In Sweden there used to be a handful of big actors [crime bosses] who could get in large amounts of drugs from the Netherlands and Spain,” said Manne Gerell, a criminologist at Malmo University. “Now there’s a lot more of them. Instead of having big cartels there is a lot more competition, more actors who can compete on the market to bring in narcotics.”
A plethora of young neighbourhood gangs, most named after their own districts, are now fighting for power and recognition. It is a shift that Gerell suspects is a factor in why Sweden is suffering so much violence now.

But this rise in violence is not just about drugs and money. It’s about a plethora of petty feuds and arguments that have become more deadly – such as the high profile murder of 19-year-old Swedish rapper Einar, shot to death in Stockholm in 2021 – as a culture of violence and guns has infected the entire crime world in Sweden.
---

What’s more, Sweden’s violence is leaking out into the rest of Europe, where its gangland feuds have played out across Denmark, the UK and Spain.
---

In March last year, in an attack which sums up this new era of chaos in Sweden’s crime world, a 16-year-old hitman burst into a gym in central Stockholm to carry out the contract killing of a 40-year-old member of the Bandido motorcycle gang. Instead the boy killed an innocent bystander in his 50s, for which he was sentenced to two years and 11 months in closed youth care.
In February 15-year-old Ali Shafaei, who came to Sweden from Afghanistan in 2019, was shot to death in a restaurant in Stockholm’s suburbs. Two boys, aged 15 and 17, were arrested for being involved in his murder. Days before a video of a teenager shooting up a door in a Stockholm housing estate with an AK-47 went viral.

‘Killing Is Simple’: Fear and Bloodshed in One of Europe’s Wealthiest Nations

How a perfect storm of gangland chaos, segregated youth and a glut of weapons has turned Sweden into Europe's gun homicide capital.

www.vice.com

Wake me up when Sweden has a gun homicide approaching what the US tolerates

 

[Donald H]

Sweden, used to be a peaceful place........they don't have a 2nd Amendment and the anti-gun fanatics will tell us that Europe has gun control laws....

The criminals don't seem to care about those laws....in particular the immigrants who make up the drug gangs....


Now Belgium? And the Netherlands too?

I keep telling the anti-gun fanatics here on U.S. messageboard that the crime rates in Europe had been low because they were recovering from the devastation of World War 2 while here in the U.S. in the 1960s, the democrat party decided to destroy the nuclear family using the "Great Society...." so we had a jump on rising crime rates......

Now, Europe is on the move, and their criminals need guns.......and they are getting those guns...

And this proliferation of inter gang battles has been supplied by an abundant stream of guns and explosives in Sweden. Police estimate there are 3,000 illegal firearms in Stockholm alone, around three times the number thought to be in London, a city with around ten times the population.
----

According to police data, the most common firearm used in gang attacks is the Serbian-made Zastava handgun. Sven Granath, an intelligence analyst at the Swedish Police Authority, said more and more shootings are being carried out with black market Glocks, seen by Sweden’s new breed of hitmen as the BMW of the gun world. Guns are mainly imported from eastern Europe and the Balkans through Germany and Denmark. There is also a good supply of Kalashnikov (AK-47) assault rifles, hand grenades, powerful firecrackers and make-shift bombs made from thermos flasks packed with explosives.
-----------------------
Barely a day goes by in this wealthy Scandinavian country without a shooting or an explosion. In the early 2000s the number of annual gun homicides in the country was in single digits and one of the lowest in Europe. Now Sweden, with a population of just over 10 million, is a country that alongside Croatia has Europe’s highest gun homicide rate. Last year there were a record 391 shootings and 63 people shot to death, alongside 90 explosions involving hand grenades and home-made explosives. Already this year there have been 71 shootings, injuring 19 people and killing 7, as well as 38 explosions.
With rising gang warfare involving guns and explosives on the streets of other seemingly peaceful northern European nations, and innocent bystanders being caught in the crossfire, it’s a part of Europe now facing an existential threat from the kind of gangland executions and creeping corruption many associate with Mexican cartels or the Italian mafia. But unlike Belgium and the Netherlands, whose massive cocaine smuggling ports have turned them into a magnet for violent international crime gangs, Sweden’s bullet-strewn crime wave has seemingly come out of nowhere.
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“In Sweden there used to be a handful of big actors [crime bosses] who could get in large amounts of drugs from the Netherlands and Spain,” said Manne Gerell, a criminologist at Malmo University. “Now there’s a lot more of them. Instead of having big cartels there is a lot more competition, more actors who can compete on the market to bring in narcotics.”
A plethora of young neighbourhood gangs, most named after their own districts, are now fighting for power and recognition. It is a shift that Gerell suspects is a factor in why Sweden is suffering so much violence now.

But this rise in violence is not just about drugs and money. It’s about a plethora of petty feuds and arguments that have become more deadly – such as the high profile murder of 19-year-old Swedish rapper Einar, shot to death in Stockholm in 2021 – as a culture of violence and guns has infected the entire crime world in Sweden.
---

What’s more, Sweden’s violence is leaking out into the rest of Europe, where its gangland feuds have played out across Denmark, the UK and Spain.
---

In March last year, in an attack which sums up this new era of chaos in Sweden’s crime world, a 16-year-old hitman burst into a gym in central Stockholm to carry out the contract killing of a 40-year-old member of the Bandido motorcycle gang. Instead the boy killed an innocent bystander in his 50s, for which he was sentenced to two years and 11 months in closed youth care.
In February 15-year-old Ali Shafaei, who came to Sweden from Afghanistan in 2019, was shot to death in a restaurant in Stockholm’s suburbs. Two boys, aged 15 and 17, were arrested for being involved in his murder. Days before a video of a teenager shooting up a door in a Stockholm housing estate with an AK-47 went viral.

‘Killing Is Simple’: Fear and Bloodshed in One of Europe’s Wealthiest Nations

How a perfect storm of gangland chaos, segregated youth and a glut of weapons has turned Sweden into Europe's gun homicide capital.

www.vice.com

It's growing but it's still light years until Europe's crime and gun violence catches up with America's.

That's the reason why it's still possible to control gun violence in Europe. Them having a 2nd. amendment would make their situation never possible for citizens to live their lives without fear of getting shot dead.

 

[Auld Phart]

YOu're right...

none of them have a Second Amendment.

So, why do you waste the boards time with these silly comparisons?

 

[2aguy]

YOu're right...

none of them have a Second Amendment.

So, why do you waste the boards time with these silly comparisons?

Because the anti-gin fanatics tey to twll is that wven aftwr European countriea murdered 15 million people in just 6 years, they are examples we should follow.

 

[Flash]

It's growing but it's still light years until Europe's crime and gun violence catches up with America's.

That's the reason why it's still possible to control gun violence in Europe. Them having a 2nd. amendment would make their situation never possible for citizens to live their lives without fear of getting shot dead.

Only when comparing their White people to our goddamn Negroes and Hispanics.

Among White people in the US we have lower gun crime than the Euro countries.

We ship them our Negroes and crime of all kinds will soar in Europe or any place else.

 

[Auld Phart]

Because the anti-gin fanatics tey to twll is that wven aftwr European countriea murdered 15 million people in just 6 years, they are examples we should follow.

 

[rightwinger]

Because the anti-gin fanatics tey to twll is that wven aftwr European countriea murdered 15 million people in just 6 years, they are examples we should follow.

Hitting the sauce early today

 

[Donald H]

Only when comparing their White people to our goddamn Negroes and Hispanics.

True or not on white people compared, it's irrelevant.

Shipping them out is impossible and the fact remains that America has created the problem and can't imagine any way of changing it, other than more deadly force by police.

Except your solution of 'shipping the problem people out'! That's something new!

You at least have acknowledged the problem!

Non-white people in Canada become good productive citizens, and in many cases moreso than many whites.

Why is it that non-white people's attitudes are so different in Canada? Did white people in Canada do something different 200 years ago?

 

[Failzero]

Wake me up when Sweden has a gun homicide approaching what the US tolerates

Dude Rape is their issue there

 

[LibertyKid]

Wake me up when Sweden has a gun homicide approaching what the US tolerates

What's the homicide per capita?
Does Sweden have large cities that where the crime is predominantly carried out by gang and urban related thugs?
Sweden is about the size of California

US = 330 Million
Swedend = 10.5 Million

Also:

It's easy to state "this country doesn't have near the same number of crimes committed with guns". On the surface that maybe correct. However, I bet sweden doesn't have a sub-culture of gangs and urban gang warfare that is crime riddled, which is the VAST majority of gun crimes in the US. The school shooting types (as tragic as they are) are minuscule data wise.

What we have in the US is a culture problem. A lack of respect for oneself (that leads to self improvement; spiritually, civilly, professionally, financially, etc) and a lack of others. We have a sub culture that promotes laziness, gangs, thugs, systemic welfare, joblessness, family units. We have a sub culture that chases that wet ass pussy, but don't want to chase after a productive life. And don't get me wrong. I grew up with a family that is as white trash as they come. Alcoholics ,weed smoking, welfare and disability addicts who were lazy and lived off the system. Never had one goddamn dime but always had smokes, weed and booze.

My guess, Sweden doesn't have a culture problem and a people that don't respect themselves.

 

[2aguy]

What's the homicide per capita?
Does Sweden have large cities that where the crime is predominantly carried out by gang and urban related thugs?
Sweden is about the size of California

US = 330 Million
Swedend = 10.5 Million

Also:

It's easy to state "this country doesn't have near the same number of crimes committed with guns". On the surface that maybe correct. However, I bet sweden doesn't have a sub-culture of gangs and urban gang warfare that is crime riddled, which is the VAST majority of gun crimes in the US. The school shooting types (as tragic as they are) are minuscule data wise.

What we have in the US is a culture problem. A lack of respect for oneself (that leads to self improvement; spiritually, civilly, professionally, financially, etc) and a lack of others. We have a sub culture that promotes laziness, gangs, thugs, systemic welfare, joblessness, family units. We have a sub culture that chases that wet ass pussy, but don't want to chase after a productive life. And don't get me wrong. I grew up with a family that is as white trash as they come. Alcoholics ,weed smoking, welfare and disability addicts who were lazy and lived off the system. Never had one goddamn dime but always had smokes, weed and booze.

My guess, Sweden doesn't have a culture problem and a people that don't respect themselves.

And again........going into the 1960s the U.S. also had a very low violent crime rate.....it wan't until the democrats began attacking the nuclear family and releasing criminals, that the crime rate went through the roof........

Read the book, "Life at the Bottom," and it will be apparent that the social welfare states of Europe have finally reached the point where they are creating generational crime.....exactly like the left did here in the 1960s

 

[Dragonlady]

And again........going into the 1960s the U.S. also had a very low violent crime rate.....it wan't until the democrats began attacking the nuclear family and releasing criminals, that the crime rate went through the roof........

Read the book, "Life at the Bottom," and it will be apparent that the social welfare states of Europe have finally reached the point where they are creating generational crime.....exactly like the left did here in the 1960s

It’s not the “social welfare state” that has created generational crime and poverty in Europe. It’s the European class system. Going back to the days of Robin Hood. Those men took to the woods due to their inability to provide for their families.

The USA became similarly stratified by race, starting when the Civil Rights Act was passed, and the racist backlash first began.

It accelerated in the 1980’s when Reagan started pitting rural voters against urban voters.

The Founders set out to create a “classless society” where every man could rise or fall on the basis of their individual gifts and efforts. The Republicans have succeeded in undermining that concept through racial segregation, and inequity in the education system.

Your author missed the target completely, but hit the tree.

 

[AZrailwhale]

It’s not the “social welfare state” that has created generational crime and poverty in Europe. It’s the European class system. Going back to the days of Robin Hood. Those men took to the woods due to their inability to provide for their families.

The USA became similarly stratified by race, starting when the Civil Rights Act was passed, and the racist backlash first began.

It accelerated in the 1980’s when Reagan started pitting rural voters against urban voters.

The Founders set out to create a “classless society” where every man could rise or fall on the basis of their individual gifts and efforts. The Republicans have succeeded in undermining that concept through racial segregation, and inequity in the education system.

Your author missed the target completely, but hit the tree.

The REPUBLICANS did that? Sorry lady, your knowledge of American is sadly lacking. The programs that did that were all put into place and administered by LIBERAL DEMOCRATS. Racial segregation and inequality in education were products of the DEMOCRATICALLY ruled deep south. Northern and western schools were always integrated. At least de jure integrated, if sometimes de facto segregated by residential areas.

 

[2aguy]

It’s not the “social welfare state” that has created generational crime and poverty in Europe. It’s the European class system. Going back to the days of Robin Hood. Those men took to the woods due to their inability to provide for their families.

The USA became similarly stratified by race, starting when the Civil Rights Act was passed, and the racist backlash first began.

It accelerated in the 1980’s when Reagan started pitting rural voters against urban voters.

The Founders set out to create a “classless society” where every man could rise or fall on the basis of their individual gifts and efforts. The Republicans have succeeded in undermining that concept through racial segregation, and inequity in the education system.

Your author missed the target completely, but hit the tree.

No......what we are seeing today, with the increasing drug gang violence is the break down of the family in Europe.....single mother homes, young boys and girls without fathers........they turn to crime, and that creates poverty.

There was no racist backlash...that is bullshit. The democrat party destroyed the black family in the U.S. through the Great Society....as planned by LBJ.....

The democrats, not republicans, are the regressives...trying to create the very society you are bitching about....everyone divided by class, sex, skin color, with the democrat party leaders at the top.....

 

[Dragonlady]

The REPUBLICANS did that? Sorry lady, your knowledge of American is sadly lacking. The programs that did that were all put into place and administered by LIBERAL DEMOCRATS. Racial segregation and inequality in education were products of the DEMOCRATICALLY ruled deep south. Northern and western schools were always integrated. At least de jure integrated, if sometimes de facto segregated by residential areas.

You are never going to get anywhere in your country if you keep blaming Democrats for everything that Republicans have done wrong.

When are Republicans going to take responsibility for what is happened since 1980?

No......what we are seeing today, with the increasing drug gang violence is the break down of the family in Europe.....single mother homes, young boys and girls without fathers........they turn to crime, and that creates poverty.

There was no racist backlash...that is bullshit. The democrat party destroyed the black family in the U.S. through the Great Society....as planned by LBJ.....

The democrats, not republicans, are the regressives...trying to create the very society you are bitching about....everyone divided by class, sex, skin color, with the democrat party leaders at the top.....

Your whole thesis falls apart because you’re ignoring the history of gangs in the USA which predates any social welfare benefits.

The oldest gang in the USA is the Irish Mob which started in Boston in the 1900 Century when there were no social welfare programs at all. But there were a lot of poor Irish fleeing the potato famine.

Introduction to Boston's Irish Mafia - Part 1 - The NCS

The Irish Mafia is said to be the oldest organized crime group in the United States, dating back to the early 19th century. Boston, New York, Philadelphia, and Chicago were some of the major cities they operated in.

www.nationalcrimesyndicate.com

Then there were the Gangs of New York in the mid- 19th Century. Immortalized in the book and movie of the same name.

Irish gangs, Jewish gangs, Italian gangs. All were considered “undesirables” and faced poverty and discrimination when they first arrived in the USA.

In the 1920’s and 1930’s, the Mafia held the nations cities in their grip with smuggling and bootlegging, when Prohibition passed. All of which happened before welfare and social programs.

In every case, ethnic discrimination lead to poverty and lack of opportunity, which breeds violent crime and gang violence.

Throughout the Wild West there were gangs of outlaws. The Dalton gang, the James Gang, Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid.

You need to go back a lot longer than the 1960s to see that the USA has always had gangs because you’ve always had guns and poverty.

 

[2aguy]

You are never going to get anywhere in your country if you keep blaming Democrats for everything that Republicans have done wrong.

When are Republicans going to take responsibility for what is happened since 1980?



Your whole thesis falls apart because you’re ignoring the history of gangs in the USA which predates any social welfare benefits.

The oldest gang in the USA is the Irish Mob which started in Boston in the 1900 Century when there were no social welfare programs at all. But there were a lot of poor Irish fleeing the potato famine.

Introduction to Boston's Irish Mafia - Part 1 - The NCS

The Irish Mafia is said to be the oldest organized crime group in the United States, dating back to the early 19th century. Boston, New York, Philadelphia, and Chicago were some of the major cities they operated in.

www.nationalcrimesyndicate.com

Then there were the Gangs of New York in the mid- 19th Century. Immortalized in the book and movie of the same name.

Irish gangs, Jewish gangs, Italian gangs. All were considered “undesirables” and faced poverty and discrimination when they first arrived in the USA.

In the 1920’s and 1930’s, the Mafia held the nations cities in their grip with smuggling and bootlegging, when Prohibition passed. All of which happened before welfare and social programs.

In every case, ethnic discrimination lead to poverty and lack of opportunity, which breeds violent crime and gang violence.

Throughout the Wild West there were gangs of outlaws. The Dalton gang, the James Gang, Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid.

You need to go back a lot longer than the 1960s to see that the USA has always had gangs because you’ve always had guns and poverty.

1980 was a boom for this country, you doofus....you listen to the democrats and then have no idea what the truth is.......

Our gangs became more violent around the mid 1960s........after the Great Society started to destroy our families in the cities the democrat party controlled...

You don't understand the issue........you are an idiot..........our gun crime rate didn't start going up until the mid 1960s all the way to the 1990s.....then we started allowing normal people to carry guns....

You would have to explain why it is that as more people carried guns, our gun crime rate went down, our gun murder rate went down...your theories can't explain that.........
Over 27 years, from 1993 to the year 2015, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019 (in 2020 that number is 21.52 million)...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
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The gun murder and gun suicide rates in the U.S. both remain below their peak levels. There were 6.2 gun murders per 100,000 people in 2020, below the rate of 7.2 recorded in 1974.


What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

Paper...why crime declined in the 90s

https://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/LevittUnderstandingWhyCrime2004.pdf
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Over the past few decades, the number of guns in America has increased massively, so much so that there are now more guns than people in the United States. Yet federal crime statistics show that firearm homicides dropped about 40 percent between 1993 and 2018, from 7 per 100,000 people to 4.3 per 100,000 people (for nonfatal crimes involving guns, the decline was 71 percent). Violent crime, including homicides, did spike during the pandemic, and while the most recent data is incomplete, it's clear that gun-related violence remains far below where it was 30 years ago despite more guns than ever being out there.

 

[2aguy]

You are never going to get anywhere in your country if you keep blaming Democrats for everything that Republicans have done wrong.

When are Republicans going to take responsibility for what is happened since 1980?



Your whole thesis falls apart because you’re ignoring the history of gangs in the USA which predates any social welfare benefits.

The oldest gang in the USA is the Irish Mob which started in Boston in the 1900 Century when there were no social welfare programs at all. But there were a lot of poor Irish fleeing the potato famine.

Introduction to Boston's Irish Mafia - Part 1 - The NCS

The Irish Mafia is said to be the oldest organized crime group in the United States, dating back to the early 19th century. Boston, New York, Philadelphia, and Chicago were some of the major cities they operated in.

www.nationalcrimesyndicate.com

Then there were the Gangs of New York in the mid- 19th Century. Immortalized in the book and movie of the same name.

Irish gangs, Jewish gangs, Italian gangs. All were considered “undesirables” and faced poverty and discrimination when they first arrived in the USA.

In the 1920’s and 1930’s, the Mafia held the nations cities in their grip with smuggling and bootlegging, when Prohibition passed. All of which happened before welfare and social programs.

In every case, ethnic discrimination lead to poverty and lack of opportunity, which breeds violent crime and gang violence.

Throughout the Wild West there were gangs of outlaws. The Dalton gang, the James Gang, Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid.

You need to go back a lot longer than the 1960s to see that the USA has always had gangs because you’ve always had guns and poverty.

And for your information.....the Irish were set back because they became the one immigrant group that relied most on the democrats, especially in New York....

Here.........listen to Thomas Sowell and learn something....