Bundy Caught Lying about "Ancestral Rights"

[WinterBorn]

No it's not, idiot. Perhaps his grandparents were living there, and that's why his parents moved there. Perhaps his great grandparents did. Maybe they owned land there..

The point is, just because his parents lived outside of Arizona doesn't make the claim bogus.

Morons. You should really look up definitions once in a while. It's like you're proud of being idiots.

When he claimed that his ancestors had been grazing cattle there since the 1870s, and then it turns out his parents bought the ranch he now owns in 1948 and didn't start running cattle until 1954, it makes him a liar. Pure and simple.

 

[WinterBorn]

"
fore·fa·ther

noun : a person (especially a man) who was in your family in past times
: a person (especially a man) from an earlier time who helped to create or start something modern or important"

Morons. Note that the definition of "forefather" isn't "your father and mother" or even "your father".

Forefather - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

So as long as SOME white guy grazed cattle there Bundy should have grazing rights for free???


Come on. That is absolute bullshit and you know it. Being taken in by Bundy is one thing. But to continue to claim he was right is just you refusing to admit you backed a loser.

 

[Asclepias]

No it's not, idiot. Perhaps his grandparents were living there, and that's why his parents moved there. Perhaps his great grandparents did. Maybe they owned land there..

The point is, just because his parents lived outside of Arizona doesn't make the claim bogus.

Morons. You should really look up definitions once in a while. It's like you're proud of being idiots.

Nothing matters before this date. October 31, 1864 Thats when Nevada became a state. Bundy still has no claim and thats been proven in court twice.

 

[koshergrl]

Nobody cares about Bundy. They're just sick of the feds.

It isn't going to stop here.

This sounds a lot like Sharpton's remarks when he found out Tawana Brawley had lied about being kidnapped and raped by policemen.

Sharpton claimed that policemen DID kidnap and rape black women, so the noise he made about the liar's case was justified and should continue.



Yes, the federal gov't is over-stepping its authority. But backing the lying rancher is not a just cause. At least have the decency to admit that.

I don't care that Bundy didn't pay the feds because I think paying the feds for land that they stole from the people is horseshit.

The way they handled it is also horseshit.

It's as good a starting point as any. Don't worry, there will be more over-stepping by the feds, and soon, and it will be egregious enough that Bundy will just be a tiny ripple before the tsunami.

 

[martybegan]

From the article:

Separate records from the website FamilySearch, which is sponsored by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, indicate that Christena Jensen was born in Nevada in 1901 and that Bodel Jensen was born in Nevada in 1924. Christena Jensen’s parents originally were from Utah. This is the side of the family where Cliven Bundy claims long-standing livestock water rights.

So as usual, you focus on one statement made, and dismiss the whole thing as a lie because it suits you politically. Considering the lies you let pass when it politically suits you, the progressive side is the highest order of hypocrites out there.

 

[Howey]

LOL. I just doesn't get any funnier than that!

Yes, it does. Mr Upstanding Mormon has been married twice.

 

[martybegan]

No it's not, idiot. Perhaps his grandparents were living there, and that's why his parents moved there. Perhaps his great grandparents did. Maybe they owned land there..

The point is, just because his parents lived outside of Arizona doesn't make the claim bogus.

Morons. You should really look up definitions once in a while. It's like you're proud of being idiots.

When he claimed that his ancestors had been grazing cattle there since the 1870s, and then it turns out his parents bought the ranch he now owns in 1948 and didn't start running cattle until 1954, it makes him a liar. Pure and simple.

Because, of course, your only ancestors are your parents.

 

[Howey]

No it's not, idiot. Perhaps his grandparents were living there, and that's why his parents moved there. Perhaps his great grandparents did. Maybe they owned land there..

The point is, just because his parents lived outside of Arizona doesn't make the claim bogus.

Morons. You should really look up definitions once in a while. It's like you're proud of being idiots.

When he claimed that his ancestors had been grazing cattle there since the 1870s, and then it turns out his parents bought the ranch he now owns in 1948 and didn't start running cattle until 1954, it makes him a liar. Pure and simple.

What do you expect from the Welfare king?

 

[koshergrl]

And if you'll recall, for those of you who actually pay attention to history and can recognize the repetition of it...the Boston Tea Party is not an event that made the *good* side look very good. They tarred and feathered some poor guy, completely unnecessarily...

But this is what happens when the existing government becomes tyrannical. When people revolt, it isn't always 100 percent honorable or 100 percent lawful. Revolt is by its very nature, illegal.

 

[Stephanie]

they must destroy this man
they must destroy this man
they must they must
anyone know why this is?
I don't get it

they've went after some guy on a reality show for something he said
and now this rancher who the government just went out and CRUSHED yet this thing is more important?

sick

 

[Dot Com]

Nobody cares about Bundy. They're just sick of the feds.

It isn't going to stop here.

This sounds a lot like Sharpton's remarks when he found out Tawana Brawley had lied about being kidnapped and raped by policemen.

Sharpton claimed that policemen DID kidnap and rape black women, so the noise he made about the liar's case was justified and should continue.



Yes, the federal gov't is over-stepping its authority. But backing the lying rancher is not a just cause. At least have the decency to admit that.

I don't care that Bundy didn't pay the feds because I think paying the feds for land that they stole from the people is horseshit.

The way they handled it is also horseshit.

It's as good a starting point as any. Don't worry, there will be more over-stepping by the feds, and soon, and it will be egregious enough that Bundy will just be a tiny ripple before the tsunami.

ANOTHER rw'er revolutionary craving a conflict

^ this is what happens when you can't win elections people.

 

[koshergrl]

No, it's what happens when free minded people are faced with tyrants and totalitarians.

Who, incidentally, are also cowards.

 

[Katzndogz]

Liberals will make up any story they want. Anything they think will stick. That's why whatever they say can be dismissed out of hand, without further consideration.

 

[Dot Com]

No, it's what happens when free minded people are faced with tyrants and totalitarians.

Who, incidentally, are also cowards.

it was ok when Bush did it (all his over reaches are easily accessed/common knowledge) though right? Where was your outrage then And cowards? who stayed in Alabama during 'nam?

 

[koshergrl]

I'm not talking about Bush. Nobody is. Try to stick to the subject, puke.

 

[Asclepias]

Liberals will make up any story they want. Anything they think will stick. That's why whatever they say can be dismissed out of hand, without further consideration.

Conservatives are saying the same thing. Glenn Beck doesnt even support his claim.

 

[bodecea]

I-Team: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny - 8 News NOW

Bundy explained his "ancestral rights" to the I-Team."I've lived my lifetime here. My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley here ever since 1877. All these rights that I claim, have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and the water and the access and range improvements," Bundy said.
Clark County property records show Cliven Bundy's parents moved from Bundyville, Arizona and bought the 160 acre ranch in 1948 from Raoul and Ruth Leavitt.

Uh oh.

 

[edthecynic]

From the article:

Separate records from the website FamilySearch, which is sponsored by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, indicate that Christena Jensen was born in Nevada in 1901 and that Bodel Jensen was born in Nevada in 1924. Christena Jensen’s parents originally were from Utah. This is the side of the family where Cliven Bundy claims long-standing livestock water rights.

So as usual, you focus on one statement made, and dismiss the whole thing as a lie because it suits you politically. Considering the lies you let pass when it politically suits you, the progressive side is the highest order of hypocrites out there.

None of Bundy's "forefathers" were there in 1877. While some relatives were nearby, there were none living in Bunkerville so there are no Bunkerville ancestral water rights. The first Bundy in Bunkerville was in 1916, but not on the present ranch. Bubdy's family didn't buy that ranch until 1948, so the 1877 crap is a lie.

An abbreviated look at rancher Cliven Bundy's family history - 8 News NOW

Although no Bundys lived in Bunkerville in 1930 or 1940, according to Census records for those years, Cliven Bundy’s mother Bodel and her parents, John and Christena Jensen, lived in neighboring Mesquite in the early 20th Century.
Census records from 1930 indicate that John was a Mesquite farmer originally from Utah whose parents were from Denmark. Those records state the farm was near Main Street and a bridge over the Virgin River.
Separate records from the website FamilySearch, which is sponsored by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, indicate that Christena Jensen was born in Nevada in 1901 and that Bodel Jensen was born in Nevada in 1924. Christena Jensen’s parents originally were from Utah. This is the side of the family where Cliven Bundy claims long-standing livestock water rights.

 

[Asclepias]

they must destroy this man
they must destroy this man
they must they must
anyone know why this is?
I don't get it

they've went after some guy on a reality show for something he said
and now this rancher who the government just went out and CRUSHED yet this thing is more important?

sick

They must get back the tax payers money or send the bum to jail. You guys were duped by Fox News.....again.

 

[martybegan]

From the article:

Separate records from the website FamilySearch, which is sponsored by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, indicate that Christena Jensen was born in Nevada in 1901 and that Bodel Jensen was born in Nevada in 1924. Christena Jensen’s parents originally were from Utah. This is the side of the family where Cliven Bundy claims long-standing livestock water rights.

So as usual, you focus on one statement made, and dismiss the whole thing as a lie because it suits you politically. Considering the lies you let pass when it politically suits you, the progressive side is the highest order of hypocrites out there.

None of Bundy's "forefathers" were there in 1877. While some relatives were nearby, there were none living in Bunkerville so there are no Bunkerville ancestral water rights. The first Bundy in Bunkerville was in 1916, but not on the present ranch. Bubdy's family didn't buy that ranch until 1948, so the 1877 crap is a lie.

An abbreviated look at rancher Cliven Bundy's family history - 8 News NOW

Although no Bundys lived in Bunkerville in 1930 or 1940, according to Census records for those years, Cliven Bundy’s mother Bodel and her parents, John and Christena Jensen, lived in neighboring Mesquite in the early 20th Century.
Census records from 1930 indicate that John was a Mesquite farmer originally from Utah whose parents were from Denmark. Those records state the farm was near Main Street and a bridge over the Virgin River.
Separate records from the website FamilySearch, which is sponsored by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, indicate that Christena Jensen was born in Nevada in 1901 and that Bodel Jensen was born in Nevada in 1924. Christena Jensen’s parents originally were from Utah. This is the side of the family where Cliven Bundy claims long-standing livestock water rights.

He used the term "up and down the valley" why are you focusing on one town?
Ah yes, because its the only way to make your point.