Bu-But Trump Wasn't Hitler the Last Time...
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That's why they get fired.This is what we hear from trump supporters or those who claim to be neutral but happen to defend trump in every instance. Apparently they never watched the interviews from members of the trump administration who detail the things trump wanted to do but they stopped it from happening. These people won't be around next time and the supreme court has given him absolute immunity.
No One Listens to the President
Trump keeps issuing orders, and staffers keep ignoring them because they’re illegal or unwise. It’s an unsustainable situation—but it shows no sign of abating.
It’s been another dizzying few days in Washington, starting with yet another border controversy, as President Donald Trump threatened to bus unauthorized immigrants to sanctuary cities, and ending with the release of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report, which turned out to be far more damning than advertised by Trump’s attorney general.
These two very different stories have more in common than meets the eye. In each case, there’s a central tension between the president and aides who refuse to execute orders from him that they believe are illegal or foolish. Mueller’s report is packed with incidents in which White House staff not only didn’t do things Trump said, but never had any intention of doing them. In the case of the border, Immigration and Customs Enforcement staff rebuffed Trump’s plan to bus migrants on legal grounds; meanwhile, Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Kevin McAleenan refused to turn away migrants seeking asylum, concluding that it was illegal. (Nielsen was sacked soon after, while McAleenan is now her acting replacement.)
In essence, executive-branch employees are hearing orders from Trump and responding, I don’t have to listen to you—you’re just the president. On the one hand, the constitutional system depends on the president executing the law and executive-branch employees following his directives; after all, he is the elected representative of the American people, and they are civil servants. On the other hand, so many of Trump’s orders are in fact illegal or dangerous that it’s difficult to fault staffers who don’t want to endanger the country or legally expose themselves by executing them.
Considering the incidents that are detailed, it’s no wonder. Sometimes aides didn’t want to follow orders that would require them to lie—as when Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein refused to say that firing FBI Director James Comey was his idea. At other times, they resisted orders that would violate government guidelines, as when then–Attorney General Jeff Sessions refused to cancel his recusal on Russia-related matters. And in some cases, they refused to do things to protect Trump from his own worst impulses, as when then–Chief of Staff Reince Priebus told the president he’d ask Sessions to resign, but just didn’t do it.
The acme, or the nadir, of noncompliance came from former White House Counsel Don McGahn, who first refused to fire Mueller and then refused to write a letter denying that he had refused to fire Mueller. Told he might be fired, he was defiant: “McGahn dismissed the threat, saying that the optics would be terrible if the President followed through with firing him on that basis.” McGahn was right, and he wasn’t fired then.
McGahn has since left the administration, though. So have Priebus and Sessions. So, too, have Defense Secretary James Mattis, who, according to Bob Woodward’s Fear, once simply decided to ignore an order to launch airstrikes; and the economic adviser Gary Cohn, who, according to Fear, swiped a letter terminating a trade agreement off Trump’s desk to avoid his signing it. In each case, the departed staffers’ decisions seem wiser than Trump’s, and the fact that the president didn’t seem to notice their sabotage doesn’t speak well to his decision making or attention span.
No One Listens to the President
Trump keeps issuing orders, and staffers keep ignoring them because they’re illegal or unwise. It’s an unsustainable situation—but it shows no sign of abating.www.theatlantic.com
You can play this off if you want to because its from The AtlantIc but:
The Atlantic – Bias and Credibility
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- Overall, we rate The Atlantic Left-Center Biased due to editorial positions and High for factual reporting based on excellent sourcing of information and a clean fact-check record.
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This is a pretty lame October Surprise. It's like getting a sweater for Christmas.
Do you ever have an original thought of your own? Asking for a friend.
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The defence that Trump didn't do the things that was hyperbolic and generalized in 2015 campaign and during his previous tenure as president is evidence of his actions and can be used as a historical reference for a potential next term. The fact that this thread is started with that defense, says that the IM2 and the left also understand that there is viability to the claim.
I remember specifically claims of: Hitler, Nazism, WW3, economic collapse, etc., etc., and none of that happened. The only blight that the left can put on Trump is Covid, and no sitting president would have made every single right choice that would have satisfied this terribly divided country. I will not entertain woulda coulda shoulda about covid with regurgitated arguments when there is nothing we could have done to have prevented the terrible tragedy of Covid
I remember specifically claims of: Hitler, Nazism, WW3, economic collapse, etc., etc., and none of that happened. The only blight that the left can put on Trump is Covid, and no sitting president would have made every single right choice that would have satisfied this terribly divided country. I will not entertain woulda coulda shoulda about covid with regurgitated arguments when there is nothing we could have done to have prevented the terrible tragedy of Covid
Yes, we heard all the hysterical panting shrieks about how TRUMP! was going to do all manner of evil once he was in office before his first term, and we're hearing the same things now, desperately trying to paint him as the most extreme caricature of a vaudeville villain, handlebar mustache and all. Their problem is, the shrieks are not gaining traction now because we have 4 years of his first term to look at, and none of their predictions came true.
They're left with, "Well, yeah, he didn't do any of it then, but he will this time, for sure, just wait and see". I say we take them up on it and put him if office, just to see what he does.
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uh-huh. seems your obvious delusion that we could ever believe you certainly shows just how stupid you are.
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This is what we hear from trump supporters or those who claim to be neutral but happen to defend trump in every instance. Apparently they never watched the interviews from members of the trump administration who detail the things trump wanted to do but they stopped it from happening. These people won't be around next time and the supreme court has given him absolute immunity.
No One Listens to the President
Trump keeps issuing orders, and staffers keep ignoring them because they’re illegal or unwise. It’s an unsustainable situation—but it shows no sign of abating.
It’s been another dizzying few days in Washington, starting with yet another border controversy, as President Donald Trump threatened to bus unauthorized immigrants to sanctuary cities, and ending with the release of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report, which turned out to be far more damning than advertised by Trump’s attorney general.
These two very different stories have more in common than meets the eye. In each case, there’s a central tension between the president and aides who refuse to execute orders from him that they believe are illegal or foolish. Mueller’s report is packed with incidents in which White House staff not only didn’t do things Trump said, but never had any intention of doing them. In the case of the border, Immigration and Customs Enforcement staff rebuffed Trump’s plan to bus migrants on legal grounds; meanwhile, Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Kevin McAleenan refused to turn away migrants seeking asylum, concluding that it was illegal. (Nielsen was sacked soon after, while McAleenan is now her acting replacement.)
In essence, executive-branch employees are hearing orders from Trump and responding, I don’t have to listen to you—you’re just the president. On the one hand, the constitutional system depends on the president executing the law and executive-branch employees following his directives; after all, he is the elected representative of the American people, and they are civil servants. On the other hand, so many of Trump’s orders are in fact illegal or dangerous that it’s difficult to fault staffers who don’t want to endanger the country or legally expose themselves by executing them.
Considering the incidents that are detailed, it’s no wonder. Sometimes aides didn’t want to follow orders that would require them to lie—as when Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein refused to say that firing FBI Director James Comey was his idea. At other times, they resisted orders that would violate government guidelines, as when then–Attorney General Jeff Sessions refused to cancel his recusal on Russia-related matters. And in some cases, they refused to do things to protect Trump from his own worst impulses, as when then–Chief of Staff Reince Priebus told the president he’d ask Sessions to resign, but just didn’t do it.
The acme, or the nadir, of noncompliance came from former White House Counsel Don McGahn, who first refused to fire Mueller and then refused to write a letter denying that he had refused to fire Mueller. Told he might be fired, he was defiant: “McGahn dismissed the threat, saying that the optics would be terrible if the President followed through with firing him on that basis.” McGahn was right, and he wasn’t fired then.
McGahn has since left the administration, though. So have Priebus and Sessions. So, too, have Defense Secretary James Mattis, who, according to Bob Woodward’s Fear, once simply decided to ignore an order to launch airstrikes; and the economic adviser Gary Cohn, who, according to Fear, swiped a letter terminating a trade agreement off Trump’s desk to avoid his signing it. In each case, the departed staffers’ decisions seem wiser than Trump’s, and the fact that the president didn’t seem to notice their sabotage doesn’t speak well to his decision making or attention span.
No One Listens to the President
Trump keeps issuing orders, and staffers keep ignoring them because they’re illegal or unwise. It’s an unsustainable situation—but it shows no sign of abating.
You can play this off if you want to because its from The AtlantIc but:
The Atlantic – Bias and Credibility
View attachment 1030900
View attachment 1030901
- Overall, we rate The Atlantic Left-Center Biased due to editorial positions and High for factual reporting based on excellent sourcing of information and a clean fact-check record.
Have you ever looked at different ratings from media bias fact check? In almost all cases, they rate right wing sites as questionable, or low credibility, and rate left wing sites as high credibility or trustworthy.
Media bias fact check, themselves, have a left wing bias.
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Yeah, and the left is usually wrong.
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