Brexit Vote Aftermath

[Drummond]

Of course. That has always been the objective, a united Europe. As stated in the first article of the Treaty of Rome. Once out, the UK will have no more right to the Single Market than Japan, China the U.S. etc. Why should it? The Brexiters should have thought it through.

Autonomy. Freedom. The right to rule yourselves, not be ruled by a foreign power. To control your own destiny.

All to be shunned, eh ? All meaningless ? To earn 'punishment', if you dare to fight for your own rights ?

 

[montelatici]

Of course. That has always been the objective, a united Europe. As stated in the first article of the Treaty of Rome. Once out, the UK will have no more right to the Single Market than Japan, China the U.S. etc. Why should it? The Brexiters should have thought it through.

Autonomy. Freedom. The right to rule yourselves, not be ruled by a foreign power. To control your own destiny.

All to be shunned, eh ? All meaningless ? To earn 'punishment', if you dare to fight for your own rights ?

Like the U.S. states, the states of the EU have similar autonomy within a larger and stronger Union. MEPs are elected by the people of the states of the EU just as the people of the states of the U.S. vote for their federal represntatives. The EU is not a foreign power to the states, no more than the U.S. is a foreign power to the states. You are a nutter.

 

[Mindful]

Of course. That has always been the objective, a united Europe. As stated in the first article of the Treaty of Rome. Once out, the UK will have no more right to the Single Market than Japan, China the U.S. etc. Why should it? The Brexiters should have thought it through.

Autonomy. Freedom. The right to rule yourselves, not be ruled by a foreign power. To control your own destiny.

All to be shunned, eh ? All meaningless ? To earn 'punishment', if you dare to fight for your own rights ?

Like the U.S. states, the states of the EU have similar autonomy within a larger and stronger Union. MEPs are elected by the people of the states of the EU just as the people of the states of the U.S. vote for their federal represntatives. The EU is not a foreign power to the states, no more than the U.S. is a foreign power to the states. You are a nutter.

A specious argument. The EU countries are in no way comparable to the United States.

 

[Phoenall]

Of course. That has always been the objective, a united Europe. As stated in the first article of the Treaty of Rome. Once out, the UK will have no more right to the Single Market than Japan, China the U.S. etc. Why should it? The Brexiters should have thought it through.

Autonomy. Freedom. The right to rule yourselves, not be ruled by a foreign power. To control your own destiny.

All to be shunned, eh ? All meaningless ? To earn 'punishment', if you dare to fight for your own rights ?

Like the U.S. states, the states of the EU have similar autonomy within a larger and stronger Union. MEPs are elected by the people of the states of the EU just as the people of the states of the U.S. vote for their federal represntatives. The EU is not a foreign power to the states, no more than the U.S. is a foreign power to the states. You are a nutter.

You dont know what you are talking about. the EU is ran by faceless neo marxist eurocrats in the Hague hamding down new laws to the MEP's in Brussels to agree on. They give each member nation 6 months of glory by appointing one of their parlimentarians to the post of president of the EU, that is a post with no actual power. This would be like giving the govenor of each individual state the chance to be POTUS for 6 months every 25 years.

 

[montelatici]

Of course. That has always been the objective, a united Europe. As stated in the first article of the Treaty of Rome. Once out, the UK will have no more right to the Single Market than Japan, China the U.S. etc. Why should it? The Brexiters should have thought it through.

Autonomy. Freedom. The right to rule yourselves, not be ruled by a foreign power. To control your own destiny.

All to be shunned, eh ? All meaningless ? To earn 'punishment', if you dare to fight for your own rights ?

Like the U.S. states, the states of the EU have similar autonomy within a larger and stronger Union. MEPs are elected by the people of the states of the EU just as the people of the states of the U.S. vote for their federal represntatives. The EU is not a foreign power to the states, no more than the U.S. is a foreign power to the states. You are a nutter.

A specious argument. The EU countries are in no way comparable to the United States.

The status of states vis-a-vis the EU is comparable to the status of the states of the United States vis-a-vis the U.S. under the terms of the Articles of Confederation period. To wit:

"Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled."

 

[Mindful]

Of course. That has always been the objective, a united Europe. As stated in the first article of the Treaty of Rome. Once out, the UK will have no more right to the Single Market than Japan, China the U.S. etc. Why should it? The Brexiters should have thought it through.

Autonomy. Freedom. The right to rule yourselves, not be ruled by a foreign power. To control your own destiny.

All to be shunned, eh ? All meaningless ? To earn 'punishment', if you dare to fight for your own rights ?

Like the U.S. states, the states of the EU have similar autonomy within a larger and stronger Union. MEPs are elected by the people of the states of the EU just as the people of the states of the U.S. vote for their federal represntatives. The EU is not a foreign power to the states, no more than the U.S. is a foreign power to the states. You are a nutter.

A specious argument. The EU countries are in no way comparable to the United States.

The status of states vis-a-vis the EU is comparable to the status of the states of the United States vis-a-vis the U.S. under the terms of the Articles of Confederation period. To wit:

"Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled."

For heaven's sake.

Try living here. Really living here. Sans the protection of some government or other.

 

[Phoenall]

Of course. That has always been the objective, a united Europe. As stated in the first article of the Treaty of Rome. Once out, the UK will have no more right to the Single Market than Japan, China the U.S. etc. Why should it? The Brexiters should have thought it through.

Autonomy. Freedom. The right to rule yourselves, not be ruled by a foreign power. To control your own destiny.

All to be shunned, eh ? All meaningless ? To earn 'punishment', if you dare to fight for your own rights ?

Like the U.S. states, the states of the EU have similar autonomy within a larger and stronger Union. MEPs are elected by the people of the states of the EU just as the people of the states of the U.S. vote for their federal represntatives. The EU is not a foreign power to the states, no more than the U.S. is a foreign power to the states. You are a nutter.

A specious argument. The EU countries are in no way comparable to the United States.

The status of states vis-a-vis the EU is comparable to the status of the states of the United States vis-a-vis the U.S. under the terms of the Articles of Confederation period. To wit:

"Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled."

And this shows just how much you dont know once again as the 28 member states are told what laws they can apply to their people, and also what laws they can apply to immigrants. How the EU eurocrats in Brussels set the laws with no input from the member states and decide what each member state will produce or not produce. The EU does not have a constitution like the USA it has a petty eurocracy full of neo marxists that want to turn Europe into one large communist federation allied to the islamic extremists.

 

[Phoenall]

Of course. That has always been the objective, a united Europe. As stated in the first article of the Treaty of Rome. Once out, the UK will have no more right to the Single Market than Japan, China the U.S. etc. Why should it? The Brexiters should have thought it through.

Autonomy. Freedom. The right to rule yourselves, not be ruled by a foreign power. To control your own destiny.

All to be shunned, eh ? All meaningless ? To earn 'punishment', if you dare to fight for your own rights ?

Like the U.S. states, the states of the EU have similar autonomy within a larger and stronger Union. MEPs are elected by the people of the states of the EU just as the people of the states of the U.S. vote for their federal represntatives. The EU is not a foreign power to the states, no more than the U.S. is a foreign power to the states. You are a nutter.

A specious argument. The EU countries are in no way comparable to the United States.

The status of states vis-a-vis the EU is comparable to the status of the states of the United States vis-a-vis the U.S. under the terms of the Articles of Confederation period. To wit:

"Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled."

For heaven's sake.

Try living here. Really living here. Sans the protection of some government or other.

He is a know it all that actually knows nothing, even after being shown and told that this was the reason the Brits wanted to vote on leaving.

 

[ESay]

Read it again as it 25% of EU trade to Britain not 25% of total trade.

This is a link to the British section: The World Factbook

Choose “Economy”; scroll down and you will see “Exports - partners”, here you can see seven countries: US 14.6%, Germany 10.1%, Switzerland 7%, China 6%, France 5.9%, Netherlands 5.8%, Ireland 5.5% (2015). Where does it say about ‘it 25% of EU trade to Britain not 25% of total trade’?

Then they will find themselves in court and being forced to honour contracts they signed. Then they will be forced to pay huge sums in compensation, possibly making them go into liquidation in the process. They will also be blacklisted for breach of contract putting the cost's up in the future

Actually, it is your British firms may find themselves in courts because they will no longer be able to fulfil their obligations due to limited access to the EU market.

If the bussines model used by the firm is theirs then the model can not be used by another firm without their permision, so the company would have to hunt for another one that is freely available and works for them. The access to Europe will still be there as Europe wont want to lose that much of its banking because of pettyness.It is just the new contracts that will be at risk, and they can be made just as watertight

I still can’t understand what British firms can do such exceptional that say German or Irish ones can’t.

 

[ESay]

The EU really needs to understand that WE have a right to control OUR borders. Implicit in this 'compromise' is that a concession is being made which nonetheless still refuses to accept our right to sovereignty over our own land and who may come here !!

Okay, you want to control your borders. And let’s even imagine that the EU understands that. What’s next? Do you want to have a right to access freely to the EU common market? If you want, what concessions do you prepare to make?

 

[montelatici]

Of course. That has always been the objective, a united Europe. As stated in the first article of the Treaty of Rome. Once out, the UK will have no more right to the Single Market than Japan, China the U.S. etc. Why should it? The Brexiters should have thought it through.

Autonomy. Freedom. The right to rule yourselves, not be ruled by a foreign power. To control your own destiny.

All to be shunned, eh ? All meaningless ? To earn 'punishment', if you dare to fight for your own rights ?

Like the U.S. states, the states of the EU have similar autonomy within a larger and stronger Union. MEPs are elected by the people of the states of the EU just as the people of the states of the U.S. vote for their federal represntatives. The EU is not a foreign power to the states, no more than the U.S. is a foreign power to the states. You are a nutter.

A specious argument. The EU countries are in no way comparable to the United States.

The status of states vis-a-vis the EU is comparable to the status of the states of the United States vis-a-vis the U.S. under the terms of the Articles of Confederation period. To wit:

"Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled."

For heaven's sake.

Try living here. Really living here. Sans the protection of some government or other.

Non Sequitur

 

[Mindful]

Autonomy. Freedom. The right to rule yourselves, not be ruled by a foreign power. To control your own destiny.

All to be shunned, eh ? All meaningless ? To earn 'punishment', if you dare to fight for your own rights ?

Like the U.S. states, the states of the EU have similar autonomy within a larger and stronger Union. MEPs are elected by the people of the states of the EU just as the people of the states of the U.S. vote for their federal represntatives. The EU is not a foreign power to the states, no more than the U.S. is a foreign power to the states. You are a nutter.

A specious argument. The EU countries are in no way comparable to the United States.

The status of states vis-a-vis the EU is comparable to the status of the states of the United States vis-a-vis the U.S. under the terms of the Articles of Confederation period. To wit:

"Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled."

For heaven's sake.

Try living here. Really living here. Sans the protection of some government or other.

Non Sequitur

Well yes.

What else could you say?

 

[Drummond]

The EU really needs to understand that WE have a right to control OUR borders. Implicit in this 'compromise' is that a concession is being made which nonetheless still refuses to accept our right to sovereignty over our own land and who may come here !!

Okay, you want to control your borders. And let’s even imagine that the EU understands that. What’s next? Do you want to have a right to access freely to the EU common market? If you want, what concessions do you prepare to make?

I doubt very much that the EU does understand that ... at all. Or, if they did, they didn't care. All they cared about when we were tied into them was that we allowed highly porous borders. They've never tolerated any consideration of our wish to exercise meaningful control. Only through Brexit do we have any chance of changing that.

A power which perpetually demands, forces, a country to take in immigrants in uncontrollable numbers, numbers it cannot take indefinitely without harm resulting, is demonstrably A HOSTILE POWER. How can it be otherwise ??

You talk about concessions the UK must make ? OK ... maybe, just maybe, the reality involves this. The reality, I argue, SHOULD NOT .. because we have a right to thrive, and not be under continual threat from unreasonable expectations from, I repeat, A HOSTILE POWER.

 

[montelatici]

The EU has freedom of movement within the EU. That is the deal. If you want access to the single market with the free movement of goods and services an EU state has to accept the free movement of people. That's the deal. Don't like it, get the f_ck out. But don't expect to have the EU allow free movement of your products and services, get it?

The UK leaving is the best thing for the EU. The UK's services will move into the EU single market. EU cities will get the business that London had. And, the rest of the EU will integrate further without the UK complaining about it.

 

[Drummond]

The EU has freedom of movement within the EU. That is the deal. If you want access to the single market with the free movement of goods and services an EU state has to accept the free movement of people. That's the deal. Don't like it, get the f_ck out. But don't expect to have the EU allow free movement of your products and services, get it?

The UK leaving is the best thing for the EU. The UK's services will move into the EU single market. EU cities will get the business that London had. And, the rest of the EU will integrate further without the UK complaining about it.

I do get it. The psychology you're describing is, in essence, one of a protection racket.

In a nutshell: dance to our tune, be a part of us, and in return we will (subject to critical problems always remaining unaddressed !) 'protect' your own 'special interests'.

Protection rackets might act as though they're the friend of those they target .. but of course, their ultimate agenda is a predatory one. They want power over those they target. They exercise that power. Anyone not liking it can expect to be disadvantaged.

I'm not at all sure that the UK leaving is anything good for the EU. Other member States will have to take up the financial slack, between them, that our sizeable contributions helped pay for, year-on-year. And of course, we've shown the rest of the EU a 'rebellious spirit' that might inspire others.

You're assuming that there'll be a big drain of businesses and 'services' out of the UK and into Europe. OK, I daresay that some will leave. But others may take their place, outside of the EU ... and besides, to deal with us as a single entity rather than be steeped in EU bureaucracy, MIGHT well seem an attractive prospect.

Don't write us off. We thrived before the EU became what it now is. I'm sure we can do so again. And ... the spirit of freedom will not have died in us. Brexit helps safeguard it ...

 

[Phoenall]

Read it again as it 25% of EU trade to Britain not 25% of total trade.

This is a link to the British section: The World Factbook

Choose “Economy”; scroll down and you will see “Exports - partners”, here you can see seven countries: US 14.6%, Germany 10.1%, Switzerland 7%, China 6%, France 5.9%, Netherlands 5.8%, Ireland 5.5% (2015). Where does it say about ‘it 25% of EU trade to Britain not 25% of total trade’?

Then they will find themselves in court and being forced to honour contracts they signed. Then they will be forced to pay huge sums in compensation, possibly making them go into liquidation in the process. They will also be blacklisted for breach of contract putting the cost's up in the future

Actually, it is your British firms may find themselves in courts because they will no longer be able to fulfil their obligations due to limited access to the EU market.

If the bussines model used by the firm is theirs then the model can not be used by another firm without their permision, so the company would have to hunt for another one that is freely available and works for them. The access to Europe will still be there as Europe wont want to lose that much of its banking because of pettyness.It is just the new contracts that will be at risk, and they can be made just as watertight

I still can’t understand what British firms can do such exceptional that say German or Irish ones can’t.

So the UK does the EU, as that is what you are saying. The EU only does 25% of the total trade, meaning 75% is from outside the EU.



NOPE as that is illegal trade controls by the EU so meaning the EU will be taken to court for placing these in our way.


Intelectual rights to the products that cant be taken away. So if say Acme bank of Slovenia has a contract with a London firm and the London firm has invented a new algorithm to ease the workload then Acme BoS cant take the algorithm to another company as it is protected by law. So Acme BoS either goes back to the old slow expensive ways as used by the firms in Germany or Ireland and pays the company in London at the same time for breach of contract or stays put. The company in London does not need any more access to the EU as Acme BoS is alreay there. Without divulging methods and intellectual rights it is hard to explain why the British firms dont need any access to Europe, but Europe needs access to Britain

 

[StLucieBengal]

The EU has freedom of movement within the EU. That is the deal. If you want access to the single market with the free movement of goods and services an EU state has to accept the free movement of people. That's the deal. Don't like it, get the f_ck out. But don't expect to have the EU allow free movement of your products and services, get it?

The UK leaving is the best thing for the EU. The UK's services will move into the EU single market. EU cities will get the business that London had. And, the rest of the EU will integrate further without the UK complaining about it.

Why do you act like being in the EU is some big thing?

Even if the EU takes the nuclear option with the U.K..... The UK will be fine. They will just trade more with those outside the EU. It will hurt EU members more.... Because the Brits don't export more than they import.

I'm sure the USA, Canada, Russia, China, Australia, etc will more than make up the difference.

 

[Phoenall]

The EU really needs to understand that WE have a right to control OUR borders. Implicit in this 'compromise' is that a concession is being made which nonetheless still refuses to accept our right to sovereignty over our own land and who may come here !!

Okay, you want to control your borders. And let’s even imagine that the EU understands that. What’s next? Do you want to have a right to access freely to the EU common market? If you want, what concessions do you prepare to make?

We want the right to choose our trading partners, and not have the EU choose them for us. We will trade with the EU if they allow us access. You seem to foret that trade is a two way street and any obstacles the EU place in its path we will respond to with our own obstacles. The EU is reliant on the UK for taking much of its produce like BMW, Mercedes, Citreon, Audi, VW and other cars. A vast sum of money these companies cant afford to lose, so what concesions is the EU prepared to offer. They have already shown their starting point which is a halt to immigration for 6 years, we hold all the aces and can make demands the EU wont like.

 

[Phoenall]

The EU has freedom of movement within the EU. That is the deal. If you want access to the single market with the free movement of goods and services an EU state has to accept the free movement of people. That's the deal. Don't like it, get the f_ck out. But don't expect to have the EU allow free movement of your products and services, get it?

The UK leaving is the best thing for the EU. The UK's services will move into the EU single market. EU cities will get the business that London had. And, the rest of the EU will integrate further without the UK complaining about it.

Mr know nothing is proving yet again that he does not have a clue as to the reality. Why does the US trade with the EU then without having open borders ?

 

[Phoenall]

The EU has freedom of movement within the EU. That is the deal. If you want access to the single market with the free movement of goods and services an EU state has to accept the free movement of people. That's the deal. Don't like it, get the f_ck out. But don't expect to have the EU allow free movement of your products and services, get it?

The UK leaving is the best thing for the EU. The UK's services will move into the EU single market. EU cities will get the business that London had. And, the rest of the EU will integrate further without the UK complaining about it.

Why do you act like being in the EU is some big thing?

Even if the EU takes the nuclear option with the U.K..... The UK will be fine. They will just trade more with those outside the EU. It will hurt EU members more.... Because the Brits don't export more than they import.

I'm sure the USA, Canada, Russia, China, Australia, etc will more than make up the difference.

And that is what the fools cant see, that Britain has lost its capacity to produce through EU intervention over the years and is now reliant on imports. It does not matter where those imports come from as long as they are cheap and good quality, So the EU lose out to their own dictatorial methods