Breaking News: Restaurants Closing All Over Seattle As $15 Minimum Wage Mandate Starts April 1st.

[Preacher]

What if I offered you the same position, but only at $10,000 a year? Would you accept the position?

Nope.

If you won't accept the job, then nobody else has to accept the job either. Nobody is forced to accept a job with low pay.

Yawn. Nice try. Not gonna work. All you proved is people shouldn't have to work for such low pay

Actually, I demonstrated that people don't have to work for such low pay. All people receive the pay they agreed to. All people.

Oh give me a ******* break. Agreed to under duress. 99.9% of people take any job they can find because they have bills and food and gas and diapers to pay for or buy.Take that horseshit response somewhere else find some gullible kid to swallow that shit.

 

[Dragonlady]

What's really unfortunate about that new law is that many businesses tried to get the Democratic lawmakers to allow all businesses, regardless of size, to count the value of their employee health care plans, but the Democrats decided to only allow small businesses to do so. Their only concession was to give bigger businesses an extra year to reach $15 an hour if they provide employee health care plans.

I remember when I was a teen seeing firsthand the effects of minimum wage laws. When the minimum wage took a rather big jump, the car wash where I was working had to lay off about one-fourth of the workers because the car wash simply did not make the profit margin to pay the new minimum wage to the same number of employees. Luckily, I was one of the ones the bosses decided to keep. But even at that young age, it occurred to me that hiking the minimum wage had a definite downside.

Most liberals seem beyond persuasion on this issue. It goes in one ear and out the other when you try to explain to them that hiking the Earned Income Tax Credit would accomplish the same goal without smacking businesses with a huge labor cost increase. Hiking the EITC would target those who work low-wage jobs as their long-term job and who support/help support children with their low-wage job, while it would leave businesses better able to hire younger people who need temporary or part-time jobs and who will leave such jobs relatively quickly (no more than a few years).

What conservatives fail to realize is that increasing the earned income tax credit means that US taxpayers are subsidizing wages for US employers. That's an expensive subsidy.

If a business can't afford to pay its employees a living wage, they shouldn't be in business.

 

[Rexx Taylor]

who in any state of mind expects a burger flipping establishment to make a profit paying their employees 15.00 hr to cook burgers and fries? well, maybe those boneheads in Ferguson would.

 

[Plasmaball]

It’s evident that those Demoncrats don’t have a clue about economics. They never think of the consequences of their “feel good policies.” Neither do they have a clue how a business is run and operated. Seems to me this should be a litmus test for elected officials



Seattle eateries closing as 15 minimum wage approaches Hot Air

yeah im not buying this.

 

[Iceweasel]

It's just not a concept liberals seem to be able to wrap their head around.

As it is, McDonalds is struggling, badly. Double the wages of employees and you double expenses. Now that 4 dollar Big Mac is 8 bucks. Who is willing to pay 8 bucks for a Big Mac? Nobody. So if you want to see hundreds of thousands lose their jobs, make burger flippers minimum wage be 15 bucks an hour. It guarantees they'll become good little democrats, on welfare and food stamps, because they won't have a job.

Very true. Something low information'ers can't accept - that businesses do not have a bottomless source of money laying around.
McDonald’s, the nations 2nd largest employer (how embarrassing is that), makes enormous revenues....but paltry margins. Many McD's are only keeping 2%-3% of the money they earn.

You got enough to pay the CEO millions in salary and bonuses you got enough to pay all workers a livable wage.

Wrong brainchild. Many fast food places are franchises. Some schmuck may own one or two or three.

 

[Desperado]

Should be interesting to see what Starbucks will now charge for their Coffee.
Bet it makes it into the double digits.

 

[Iceweasel]

What conservatives fail to realize is that increasing the earned income tax credit means that US taxpayers are subsidizing wages for US employers. That's an expensive subsidy.

If a business can't afford to pay its employees a living wage, they shouldn't be in business.

So their employees weren't living before? What liberals don't realize is that low end restaurant work isn't something a guy or gal raises a family on, unless they're LOSERS.

 

[NoNukes]

Four restaurants closing makes it easier for the other eateries to establish working prices that lead to a profit.

The restaurants in that article closed because of lack of business not because of wages.

The wage of 15 dollars an hour won't happen until 2017 at the earliest and tips are counted as wages so most restaurant employees won't see their wages change. Their tips already bring their wages way above 15 dollars an hour.

The small restaurants that closed wouldn't have seen that 15 dollars an hour until 2018.

That raise in the minimum wage had nothing to do with the closing of those restaurants.

Closing before it goes into effect means that their business was poor and they might have closed anyways.

 

[Rexx Taylor]

Should be interesting to see what Starbucks will now charge for their Coffee.
Bet it makes it into the double digits.

i would never pay 5.00 for a cup of coffee knowing the cost of the coffee is about 30 cents.

 

[Iceweasel]

Should be interesting to see what Starbucks will now charge for their Coffee.
Bet it makes it into the double digits.

They are big enough to buy off the right politicians so they may not have to pony up.

 

[Iceweasel]

Four restaurants closing makes it easier for the other eateries to establish working prices that lead to a profit.

The restaurants in that article closed because of lack of business not because of wages.

The wage of 15 dollars an hour won't happen until 2017 at the earliest and tips are counted as wages so most restaurant employees won't see their wages change. Their tips already bring their wages way above 15 dollars an hour.

The small restaurants that closed wouldn't have seen that 15 dollars an hour until 2018.

That raise in the minimum wage had nothing to do with the closing of those restaurants.

Closing before it goes into effect means that their business was poor and they might have closed anyways.

So if they had been around for 15 years it would be just a coincidence to you?

 

[Preacher]

It's just not a concept liberals seem to be able to wrap their head around.

As it is, McDonalds is struggling, badly. Double the wages of employees and you double expenses. Now that 4 dollar Big Mac is 8 bucks. Who is willing to pay 8 bucks for a Big Mac? Nobody. So if you want to see hundreds of thousands lose their jobs, make burger flippers minimum wage be 15 bucks an hour. It guarantees they'll become good little democrats, on welfare and food stamps, because they won't have a job.

Very true. Something low information'ers can't accept - that businesses do not have a bottomless source of money laying around.
McDonald’s, the nations 2nd largest employer (how embarrassing is that), makes enormous revenues....but paltry margins. Many McD's are only keeping 2%-3% of the money they earn.

You got enough to pay the CEO millions in salary and bonuses you got enough to pay all workers a livable wage.

Wrong brainchild. Many fast food places are franchises. Some schmuck may own one or two or three.

Tough shit. Pay higher wages or go out of business and your employees collect unemployment and find work with a business willing to pay the wage they deserve.

 

[NoNukes]

Four restaurants closing makes it easier for the other eateries to establish working prices that lead to a profit.

The restaurants in that article closed because of lack of business not because of wages.

The wage of 15 dollars an hour won't happen until 2017 at the earliest and tips are counted as wages so most restaurant employees won't see their wages change. Their tips already bring their wages way above 15 dollars an hour.

The small restaurants that closed wouldn't have seen that 15 dollars an hour until 2018.

That raise in the minimum wage had nothing to do with the closing of those restaurants.

Closing before it goes into effect means that their business was poor and they might have closed anyways.

So if they had been around for 15 years it would be just a coincidence to you?

Read the article that Camp posted instead of being a dummy.

 

[Iceweasel]

Four restaurants closing makes it easier for the other eateries to establish working prices that lead to a profit.

The restaurants in that article closed because of lack of business not because of wages.

The wage of 15 dollars an hour won't happen until 2017 at the earliest and tips are counted as wages so most restaurant employees won't see their wages change. Their tips already bring their wages way above 15 dollars an hour.

The small restaurants that closed wouldn't have seen that 15 dollars an hour until 2018.

That raise in the minimum wage had nothing to do with the closing of those restaurants.

Closing before it goes into effect means that their business was poor and they might have closed anyways.

So if they had been around for 15 years it would be just a coincidence to you?

Read the article that Camp posted instead of being a dummy.

Post where it supports your theory. Instead of being a dummy.

 

[Rexx Taylor]

you can get a call girl for the price of some of their coffees.

 

[Iceweasel]

It's just not a concept liberals seem to be able to wrap their head around.

As it is, McDonalds is struggling, badly. Double the wages of employees and you double expenses. Now that 4 dollar Big Mac is 8 bucks. Who is willing to pay 8 bucks for a Big Mac? Nobody. So if you want to see hundreds of thousands lose their jobs, make burger flippers minimum wage be 15 bucks an hour. It guarantees they'll become good little democrats, on welfare and food stamps, because they won't have a job.

Very true. Something low information'ers can't accept - that businesses do not have a bottomless source of money laying around.
McDonald’s, the nations 2nd largest employer (how embarrassing is that), makes enormous revenues....but paltry margins. Many McD's are only keeping 2%-3% of the money they earn.

You got enough to pay the CEO millions in salary and bonuses you got enough to pay all workers a livable wage.

Wrong brainchild. Many fast food places are franchises. Some schmuck may own one or two or three.

Tough shit. Pay higher wages or go out of business and your employees collect unemployment and find work with a business willing to pay the wage they deserve.

If they can't live on the wages unemployment isn't going to make it possible. Tough shit is right. I don't care if they ever find work.

 

[SwimExpert]

15.00 an HR= between 100-120 a day per employee. now thats a lot for any small/medium size restaurant. and then u multiply it by 15 to 20 employees. then you throw in the cost of food/electricity. No wonder most restaurants fail. Every restaurant has their quota that they have to meet every month. if they don't, they shut down. just like they are in Washington.

Congratulations, you've just demonstrated how little you know.

Mistake #1: The majority of restaurant employees are "tipped" employees.

Seattle's minimum wage ordinance says that the restaurant can "meet the applicable hourly minimum compensation requirement through wages (including applicable commissions, piece-rate, and bonuses), tips and money paid by an employer towards an individual employee's medical benefits plan." So the majority of employees will not see their actual wage increase.


Mistake #2: The typical restaurant shift is 6 hours long.

Your calculations presume a 7-8 day, which is does not reflect reality.


Mistake #3: Restaurants fail for many reasons, but labor costs aren't one of them.

It's true that nearly 90% of restaurants fail in their first year. There are alot of things that seem to contribute to that. But it's rare that a restaurant fails because of labor costs. When it does happen, it's usually associated with overpaying chefs and other kitchen figures. The most common reasons restaurants fail are:

1. Poor leadership/management
2. Poor location
3. Poor marketing
4. Poor service
5. Poor food

 

[Flopper]

when you do the math, an average restaurant would have to take in at least 3500-4000 a day just to pay the staff, never mind the overhead. and how many average sized restaurants can take in over $10,000 a day, 7 days a week in this Obama-Economy?

$4,000 a day would pay the wages for 33 employees working 8 hour shift, or 11 employees/shift. In Seattle, a restaurant with 33 employees should be taking in well over $10,000/day.

According to FoodServiceWharehouse.com a full service restaurant serving 50 meals/hr would require a shift of 11 employee or 33 employees for 3 shifts. That size staff would be needed to serve 1200 meals/day. In Seattle where the average cost of a meal with tip is $14, the gross revenue would be $16,800/day.

How to Determine What Staff You Need

 

[Iceweasel]

15.00 an HR= between 100-120 a day per employee. now thats a lot for any small/medium size restaurant. and then u multiply it by 15 to 20 employees. then you throw in the cost of food/electricity. No wonder most restaurants fail. Every restaurant has their quota that they have to meet every month. if they don't, they shut down. just like they are in Washington.

Congratulations, you've just demonstrated how little you know.

Mistake #1: The majority of restaurant employees are "tipped" employees.

Seattle's minimum wage ordinance says that the restaurant can "meet the applicable hourly minimum compensation requirement through wages (including applicable commissions, piece-rate, and bonuses), tips and money paid by an employer towards an individual employee's medical benefits plan." So the majority of employees will not see their actual wage increase.


Mistake #2: The typical restaurant shift is 6 hours long.

Your calculations presume a 7-8 day, which is does not reflect reality.


Mistake #3: Restaurants fail for many reasons, but labor costs aren't one of them.

It's true that nearly 90% of restaurants fail in their first year. There are alot of things that seem to contribute to that. But it's rare that a restaurant fails because of labor costs. When it does happen, it's usually associated with overpaying chefs and other kitchen figures. The most common reasons restaurants fail are:

1. Poor leadership/management
2. Poor location
3. Poor marketing
4. Poor service
5. Poor food

Your theory rests on the employer chipping in for health insurance and the employee being honest about tips. What's your evidence that they rarely fail due to labor costs? That's a huge part of overhead, I'd like to know how you determined that.

 

[Iceweasel]

when you do the math, an average restaurant would have to take in at least 3500-4000 a day just to pay the staff, never mind the overhead. and how many average sized restaurants can take in over $10,000 a day, 7 days a week in this Obama-Economy?

$4,000 a day would pay the wages for 33 employees working 8 hour shift, or 11 employees/shift. In Seattle, a restaurant with 33 employees will be taking in well over $10,000/day.

According to FoodServiceWharehouse.com a full service restaurant serving 50 meals/hr would require a shift of 11 employee or 33 employees for 3 shifts. That size staff would be needed to serve 1200 meals/day. In Seattle where the average cost of a meal with tip is $14, the gross revenue would be $16,800/day.

How to Determine What Staff You Need

You do realize that people tend to eat at a few peak hours don't you?