Breaking News: Feds Arrest Somali-Born Teen After Car-Bomb Sting at Oregon Christmas

[Quantum Windbag]

Ok yoou have an opinion. You think it's entrapment. Most would consider this good police work.
At the end of the day there is one less terrorist on the street.
Look, this kid has been looked at since he was 15. He was reported to the authorities as a potential threat based on things HE said to others.
I would tend to agree with entrapment if the FBI picked some obscure individual and used deception to "create" a crime.
Such is not the case. So you can put away your 1960's kumbayah anti-establishment purse.
Done.

Wow, you believe everything the FBI is saying. I am impressed, could I sell you a bridge?

Counter question. Do you assume the FBI is always lying to us?
Do you think the capture and arrest of this person to be folly?
Do you no think this person represented a real threat. Based on his conduct from the time he was under suspicion since age 15?

Three reasons.

They are human, they are cops, and their budget depends on scaring us.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Ok yoou have an opinion. You think it's entrapment. Most would consider this good police work.
At the end of the day there is one less terrorist on the street.
Look, this kid has been looked at since he was 15. He was reported to the authorities as a potential threat based on things HE said to others.
I would tend to agree with entrapment if the FBI picked some obscure individual and used deception to "create" a crime.
Such is not the case. So you can put away your 1960's kumbayah anti-establishment purse.
Done.

Wow, you believe everything the FBI is saying. I am impressed, could I sell you a bridge?

You are a fucking idiot. just saying

No shit Sarge........The more this fool bloviates, the more he proves he's a fucking idiot.

 

[bucs90]

Wow, you believe everything the FBI is saying. I am impressed, could I sell you a bridge?

Counter question. Do you assume the FBI is always lying to us?
Do you think the capture and arrest of this person to be folly?
Do you no think this person represented a real threat. Based on his conduct from the time he was under suspicion since age 15?

Three reasons.

They are human, they are cops, and their budget depends on scaring us.

HAHA!!! So, let me guess, you're about to turn this into a "fuck tha police" thread??? You anti-police potheads are hilarious.


So let me get this straight: A few undercover cops can go into the ghetto and find an angry kid who is looking for a gun to kill some people he hates. They can remind him of the consequences (which the FBI did to this kid) and tell him he should consider more peaceful alternatives (which they did) and he still maintains he wants to commit the crime. So rather than break off ties and hope he is lying, they lay out the opportunity for him to act on his words, and he does. You say the kid isn't guilty now?


GREAT work by the FBI and the cops. Another scumbag MUSLIM terrorist off the streets, and hopefully in jail for life.

This terrorist was a student at Oregon State University, a fine college, and had the American dream opportunity in front of him. But, in HIS OWN WORDS he wanted to do jihad, and even lashed out at his own parents for trying to steer him away from those jihad dreams.

 

[bucs90]

The question is

Would this person have been involved in a bomb plot without the FBI's help?

WE do not really know.

What we can know, however, is that this person, for whatever reason, went along with that plot.

Was he the original author it, or was some FBI agent egging him on?

Again, until the trial (where I have no doubt this question will be raised) we will not know.

Your question is irrelevant to the issue of entrapment. Under the law, the police are allowed to provide the material support the target needs to carry out the crime. Whether or not the would be terrorist could have committed the crime w/o the help of the undercover cops is irrelevant. The main thing is that the accused was willing and able to commit a crime. To simplify matters a bit, what counts is that the police did not pay him to do this, or persuade him into doing it. If they did either of those two things. it would be entrapment.

So, if they take a guy that is a little bitter, work on him for months, talk about blowing something up, tell him he is going to be a martyr, and supply him with everything he needs to blow up something, that is not entrapment because...

This is where I get confused, and so do some lawyers I can cite. You might be an expert at something, but this is not it.

Of course lawyers are gonna jump on that cause. If they rep one of these MUSLIM terrorists, guess what? They get PAID for life!!! A lifetime of endless appeals means a life-long active case, and a life-long paycheck as his defendant. Probably on the tax dollar also, seeing as Mohammed Muhammed is probably going the public defender route.

IF......emphasis on IF.....you had read all the information about the affidavit and investigation, you'd see the FBI stumbled on this guy, didn't target him, AND they used undercover agents who tried to talk him out of it, tried to convince him of the consequences and tell him about other peaceful options. BUT the Muslim extremist was intent on jihad.

And if he is so mentally weak that just a bit of smooth talking could convince him to try to explode a Christmas tree lighting, then he is too mentally unstable to live in our free society and should be jailed for life anyway.

Good job FBI.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Wow, you believe everything the FBI is saying. I am impressed, could I sell you a bridge?

Counter question. Do you assume the FBI is always lying to us?
Do you think the capture and arrest of this person to be folly?
Do you no think this person represented a real threat. Based on his conduct from the time he was under suspicion since age 15?

Three reasons.

They are human, they are cops, and their budget depends on scaring us.

SO every FBI activity is one for the X -Files?..Sheesh
Never thought you'd be a conspiracy theorist.
Or are your comments based on a general distrust of law enforcement?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Counter question. Do you assume the FBI is always lying to us?
Do you think the capture and arrest of this person to be folly?
Do you no think this person represented a real threat. Based on his conduct from the time he was under suspicion since age 15?

Three reasons.

They are human, they are cops, and their budget depends on scaring us.

HAHA!!! So, let me guess, you're about to turn this into a "fuck tha police" thread??? You anti-police potheads are hilarious.


So let me get this straight: A few undercover cops can go into the ghetto and find an angry kid who is looking for a gun to kill some people he hates. They can remind him of the consequences (which the FBI did to this kid) and tell him he should consider more peaceful alternatives (which they did) and he still maintains he wants to commit the crime. So rather than break off ties and hope he is lying, they lay out the opportunity for him to act on his words, and he does. You say the kid isn't guilty now?


GREAT work by the FBI and the cops. Another scumbag MUSLIM terrorist off the streets, and hopefully in jail for life.

This terrorist was a student at Oregon State University, a fine college, and had the American dream opportunity in front of him. But, in HIS OWN WORDS he wanted to do jihad, and even lashed out at his own parents for trying to steer him away from those jihad dreams.

Somebody asked a question, I answered. Can you point to anything I said that is not true? Are they not human? Are they not cops, even if they are federal versions of cops? Does their budget not get higher when we are afraid?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Your question is irrelevant to the issue of entrapment. Under the law, the police are allowed to provide the material support the target needs to carry out the crime. Whether or not the would be terrorist could have committed the crime w/o the help of the undercover cops is irrelevant. The main thing is that the accused was willing and able to commit a crime. To simplify matters a bit, what counts is that the police did not pay him to do this, or persuade him into doing it. If they did either of those two things. it would be entrapment.

So, if they take a guy that is a little bitter, work on him for months, talk about blowing something up, tell him he is going to be a martyr, and supply him with everything he needs to blow up something, that is not entrapment because...

This is where I get confused, and so do some lawyers I can cite. You might be an expert at something, but this is not it.

Of course lawyers are gonna jump on that cause. If they rep one of these MUSLIM terrorists, guess what? They get PAID for life!!! A lifetime of endless appeals means a life-long active case, and a life-long paycheck as his defendant. Probably on the tax dollar also, seeing as Mohammed Muhammed is probably going the public defender route.

IF......emphasis on IF.....you had read all the information about the affidavit and investigation, you'd see the FBI stumbled on this guy, didn't target him, AND they used undercover agents who tried to talk him out of it, tried to convince him of the consequences and tell him about other peaceful options. BUT the Muslim extremist was intent on jihad.

And if he is so mentally weak that just a bit of smooth talking could convince him to try to explode a Christmas tree lighting, then he is too mentally unstable to live in our free society and should be jailed for life anyway.

Good job FBI.

Really? Is the lawyer for the Times Square bomber, who plead guilty, in for a lifetime of fees appealing the case? I would also challenge you to find a single post where I ever said terrorists should not be either dead or locked away. That does not excuse the government inventing plots, and duping people into joining them. If the only terrorists they are nabbing before the fact are the ones who are stupid enough to plot with FBI agents just how safe do you think you actually are? I know I would feel safer if they had caught the Times Square bomber before he got the explosives into a car, or even into his garage, or wherever it is he put them together, instead of after the bomb had failed and he was on a plane.

But I guess I am just weird, not to mention stupid, because I think they could be doing a better job.

 

[bucs90]

Their "job" is to dangle fake explosives in front of teenagers to see who salutes?

How would you have felt if someone had "dangled real explosives" in his face and the FBI
DID not catch him and he carried out his plan.....

Oh yeh you would have blamed the people who had been blown up because somehow they caused this guy to hate them.....

Anyone can offer to give me explosives and say to me "how bout we go kill some people...
I don't think I would take them up on their offer because I didn't want to blow anyone up to begin with.

I love the Libs thinking on taking responsibility for ones actions...It's never their fault for anything...

Not their fault they don't have a good job,good education,nice house....It's never their fault
they have less then everyone else.

Like the Times Square bomber?

Maybe if the FBI had been looking for real threats, instead of concentrating on supplying this guy, and all the other guys they have supplied with fake bombs they would have stopped that attack before he had the bomb in his car. I am certainly glad it makes you feel safer, but it does nothing for me.

Are you going to try and claim that I think it is the fault of people who get blown up, and that I don't believe in personal responsibility?

The bomber SENT THE FBI the parts he wanted to use to build the bomb. Not the other way around.

I'd say a guy wanting to do jihad and looking for a way to blow up people is a real threat.

Who knows. If they ignored this guy, he may have gotten his hands on a real bomb.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Counter question. Do you assume the FBI is always lying to us?
Do you think the capture and arrest of this person to be folly?
Do you no think this person represented a real threat. Based on his conduct from the time he was under suspicion since age 15?

Three reasons.

They are human, they are cops, and their budget depends on scaring us.

SO every FBI activity is one for the X -Files?..Sheesh
Never thought you'd be a conspiracy theorist.
Or are your comments based on a general distrust of law enforcement?

Neither, my comments are based on a general distrust of human beings. that is known as cynicism, and people would be better off if they used it more.

 

[bucs90]

So, if they take a guy that is a little bitter, work on him for months, talk about blowing something up, tell him he is going to be a martyr, and supply him with everything he needs to blow up something, that is not entrapment because...

This is where I get confused, and so do some lawyers I can cite. You might be an expert at something, but this is not it.

Of course lawyers are gonna jump on that cause. If they rep one of these MUSLIM terrorists, guess what? They get PAID for life!!! A lifetime of endless appeals means a life-long active case, and a life-long paycheck as his defendant. Probably on the tax dollar also, seeing as Mohammed Muhammed is probably going the public defender route.

IF......emphasis on IF.....you had read all the information about the affidavit and investigation, you'd see the FBI stumbled on this guy, didn't target him, AND they used undercover agents who tried to talk him out of it, tried to convince him of the consequences and tell him about other peaceful options. BUT the Muslim extremist was intent on jihad.

And if he is so mentally weak that just a bit of smooth talking could convince him to try to explode a Christmas tree lighting, then he is too mentally unstable to live in our free society and should be jailed for life anyway.

Good job FBI.

Really? Is the lawyer for the Times Square bomber, who plead guilty, in for a lifetime of fees appealing the case? I would also challenge you to find a single post where I ever said terrorists should not be either dead or locked away. That does not excuse the government inventing plots, and duping people into joining them. If the only terrorists they are nabbing before the fact are the ones who are stupid enough to plot with FBI agents just how safe do you think you actually are? I know I would feel safer if they had caught the Times Square bomber before he got the explosives into a car, or even into his garage, or wherever it is he put them together, instead of after the bomb had failed and he was on a plane.

But I guess I am just weird, not to mention stupid, because I think they could be doing a better job.

HAHA!! You contradicted yourself dude.

You said they should've caught the Times Square Bomber BEFORE he got the explosives in the car and tried to blow it up.

Imagine if they had intervened during the TS bomber's attempts to locate explosives and trying to learn how to build the bomb, that would've been a lot better right? Kinda like how they did in Portland..................

Remember, there are 1 billion Muslims in the world. And what.....25,000 FBI agenst at the most? Math don't add up. The FBI is doing a great job considering the size of the threat vs their manpower.

And had they ignored this Muslim punk in Portland and gone on to "real threats" then maybe the Portland guy is a real threat in a year, but disappears off the FBI radar before then.

The FBI's budget doesn't go off "how scared we are". Thats college professor propoganda. If the FBI/CIA released all classified documents on national threats that they stopped that we don't know about, I'm sure we would be scared out of our pants.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

How would you have felt if someone had "dangled real explosives" in his face and the FBI
DID not catch him and he carried out his plan.....

Oh yeh you would have blamed the people who had been blown up because somehow they caused this guy to hate them.....

Anyone can offer to give me explosives and say to me "how bout we go kill some people...
I don't think I would take them up on their offer because I didn't want to blow anyone up to begin with.

I love the Libs thinking on taking responsibility for ones actions...It's never their fault for anything...

Not their fault they don't have a good job,good education,nice house....It's never their fault
they have less then everyone else.

Like the Times Square bomber?

Maybe if the FBI had been looking for real threats, instead of concentrating on supplying this guy, and all the other guys they have supplied with fake bombs they would have stopped that attack before he had the bomb in his car. I am certainly glad it makes you feel safer, but it does nothing for me.

Are you going to try and claim that I think it is the fault of people who get blown up, and that I don't believe in personal responsibility?

The bomber SENT THE FBI the parts he wanted to use to build the bomb. Not the other way around.

I'd say a guy wanting to do jihad and looking for a way to blow up people is a real threat.

Who knows. If they ignored this guy, he may have gotten his hands on a real bomb.

Charge him with a crime, and move on. Instead they spend money and waste resources by plotting with him to blow up a tree lighting ceremony so that they can get headlines. How is the first option ignoring anything? At the least they could have deported him, added him to the non fly list. Instead they opted for a big splash, all so that some Special Agent in Charge could get a promotion out of Portland.

If you actually think about all of this you will see that the entire sting was nothing but political grandstanding, and wonder why anyone took the chance that this guy would not catch on to what was happening, drop out of site, and use the knowledge the FBI gave him to build a real bomb. Instead, you follow along like a sheep, believe everything you are told, and thank them for taking stupid chances.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Of course lawyers are gonna jump on that cause. If they rep one of these MUSLIM terrorists, guess what? They get PAID for life!!! A lifetime of endless appeals means a life-long active case, and a life-long paycheck as his defendant. Probably on the tax dollar also, seeing as Mohammed Muhammed is probably going the public defender route.

IF......emphasis on IF.....you had read all the information about the affidavit and investigation, you'd see the FBI stumbled on this guy, didn't target him, AND they used undercover agents who tried to talk him out of it, tried to convince him of the consequences and tell him about other peaceful options. BUT the Muslim extremist was intent on jihad.

And if he is so mentally weak that just a bit of smooth talking could convince him to try to explode a Christmas tree lighting, then he is too mentally unstable to live in our free society and should be jailed for life anyway.

Good job FBI.

Really? Is the lawyer for the Times Square bomber, who plead guilty, in for a lifetime of fees appealing the case? I would also challenge you to find a single post where I ever said terrorists should not be either dead or locked away. That does not excuse the government inventing plots, and duping people into joining them. If the only terrorists they are nabbing before the fact are the ones who are stupid enough to plot with FBI agents just how safe do you think you actually are? I know I would feel safer if they had caught the Times Square bomber before he got the explosives into a car, or even into his garage, or wherever it is he put them together, instead of after the bomb had failed and he was on a plane.

But I guess I am just weird, not to mention stupid, because I think they could be doing a better job.

HAHA!! You contradicted yourself dude.

You said they should've caught the Times Square Bomber BEFORE he got the explosives in the car and tried to blow it up.

Imagine if they had intervened during the TS bomber's attempts to locate explosives and trying to learn how to build the bomb, that would've been a lot better right? Kinda like how they did in Portland..................

Remember, there are 1 billion Muslims in the world. And what.....25,000 FBI agenst at the most? Math don't add up. The FBI is doing a great job considering the size of the threat vs their manpower.

And had they ignored this Muslim punk in Portland and gone on to "real threats" then maybe the Portland guy is a real threat in a year, but disappears off the FBI radar before then.

The FBI's budget doesn't go off "how scared we are". Thats college professor propoganda. If the FBI/CIA released all classified documents on national threats that they stopped that we don't know about, I'm sure we would be scared out of our pants.

It's a total contradiction.

Had this guy succeeded in obtaining an actual bomb, which is obviouly what he was trying to do, this windbag fool would be bloviating that the FBI and law enforcement didn't do their jobs........It's friggin' laughable.

 

[bucs90]

Like the Times Square bomber?

Maybe if the FBI had been looking for real threats, instead of concentrating on supplying this guy, and all the other guys they have supplied with fake bombs they would have stopped that attack before he had the bomb in his car. I am certainly glad it makes you feel safer, but it does nothing for me.

Are you going to try and claim that I think it is the fault of people who get blown up, and that I don't believe in personal responsibility?

The bomber SENT THE FBI the parts he wanted to use to build the bomb. Not the other way around.

I'd say a guy wanting to do jihad and looking for a way to blow up people is a real threat.

Who knows. If they ignored this guy, he may have gotten his hands on a real bomb.

Charge him with a crime, and move on. Instead they spend money and waste resources by plotting with him to blow up a tree lighting ceremony so that they can get headlines. How is the first option ignoring anything? At the least they could have deported him, added him to the non fly list. Instead they opted for a big splash, all so that some Special Agent in Charge could get a promotion out of Portland.

If you actually think about all of this you will see that the entire sting was nothing but political grandstanding, and wonder why anyone took the chance that this guy would not catch on to what was happening, drop out of site, and use the knowledge the FBI gave him to build a real bomb. Instead, you follow along like a sheep, believe everything you are told, and thank them for taking stupid chances.

A crime of what? "Possession of Electronic Equipment"? "Possession of Crazy"???

He was charged with Attempting to Use a Weapon of Mass Destruction. Which is what he intended to do. He attempted it, with is phone, to ignite the bomb he placed there, all by his grown self.

The special agent SHOULD get a promotion.

And guess what? HAD they found some lesser charge, such as conspiracy or possession of explosives (ATF jurisdiction btw) then what would happen? He'd get a slap on the wrist, probably get some jail time where he would meet other jihadi lifers, and be RELEASED with an even deeper resentment of America, more motivation, and a small insight on how the FBI investigated him (through trial discovery), so he could act more stealthly the next time.

I can't believe you are actually taking this guys side over the FBI.

 

[bucs90]

Really? Is the lawyer for the Times Square bomber, who plead guilty, in for a lifetime of fees appealing the case? I would also challenge you to find a single post where I ever said terrorists should not be either dead or locked away. That does not excuse the government inventing plots, and duping people into joining them. If the only terrorists they are nabbing before the fact are the ones who are stupid enough to plot with FBI agents just how safe do you think you actually are? I know I would feel safer if they had caught the Times Square bomber before he got the explosives into a car, or even into his garage, or wherever it is he put them together, instead of after the bomb had failed and he was on a plane.

But I guess I am just weird, not to mention stupid, because I think they could be doing a better job.

HAHA!! You contradicted yourself dude.

You said they should've caught the Times Square Bomber BEFORE he got the explosives in the car and tried to blow it up.

Imagine if they had intervened during the TS bomber's attempts to locate explosives and trying to learn how to build the bomb, that would've been a lot better right? Kinda like how they did in Portland..................

Remember, there are 1 billion Muslims in the world. And what.....25,000 FBI agenst at the most? Math don't add up. The FBI is doing a great job considering the size of the threat vs their manpower.

And had they ignored this Muslim punk in Portland and gone on to "real threats" then maybe the Portland guy is a real threat in a year, but disappears off the FBI radar before then.

The FBI's budget doesn't go off "how scared we are". Thats college professor propoganda. If the FBI/CIA released all classified documents on national threats that they stopped that we don't know about, I'm sure we would be scared out of our pants.

It's a total contradiction.

Had this guy succeeded in obtaining an actual bomb, which is obviouly what he was trying to do, this windbag fool would be bloviating that the FBI and law enforcement didn't do their jobs........It's friggin' laughable.

It's almost unbelievable.

He ranted on how the FBI "should've gotten the Times Square Bomber before he got the bomb in his car" etc, etc, etc.

Then gets upset when the FBI gets a guy........before he got the bomb.

The message is: The FBI, CIA, DEA, ATF, military and police are evil.

 

[Wicked Jester]

The bomber SENT THE FBI the parts he wanted to use to build the bomb. Not the other way around.

I'd say a guy wanting to do jihad and looking for a way to blow up people is a real threat.

Who knows. If they ignored this guy, he may have gotten his hands on a real bomb.

Charge him with a crime, and move on. Instead they spend money and waste resources by plotting with him to blow up a tree lighting ceremony so that they can get headlines. How is the first option ignoring anything? At the least they could have deported him, added him to the non fly list. Instead they opted for a big splash, all so that some Special Agent in Charge could get a promotion out of Portland.

If you actually think about all of this you will see that the entire sting was nothing but political grandstanding, and wonder why anyone took the chance that this guy would not catch on to what was happening, drop out of site, and use the knowledge the FBI gave him to build a real bomb. Instead, you follow along like a sheep, believe everything you are told, and thank them for taking stupid chances.

A crime of what? "Possession of Electronic Equipment"? "Possession of Crazy"???

He was charged with Attempting to Use a Weapon of Mass Destruction. Which is what he intended to do. He attempted it, with is phone, to ignite the bomb he placed there, all by his grown self.

The special agent SHOULD get a promotion.

And guess what? HAD they found some lesser charge, such as conspiracy or possession of explosives (ATF jurisdiction btw) then what would happen? He'd get a slap on the wrist, probably get some jail time where he would meet other jihadi lifers, and be RELEASED with an even deeper resentment of America, more motivation, and a small insight on how the FBI investigated him (through trial discovery), so he could act more stealthly the next time.

I can't believe you are actually taking this guys side over the FBI.

His sig lines say it all.

Something tells me windbag has a paranoia of cops in general......I guess that's what happens after a lifetime of negative contacts with them.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

HAHA!! You contradicted yourself dude.

While that does happen, it didn't this time.

You said they should've caught the Times Square Bomber BEFORE he got the explosives in the car and tried to blow it up.

Imagine if they had intervened during the TS bomber's attempts to locate explosives and trying to learn how to build the bomb, that would've been a lot better right? Kinda like how they did in Portland..................

Except that the Times Square bomber flew into the country, bought everything he needed, and built a bomb, left it in Times Square, then got on a plane, all while the FBI was playing with some idiot in Portland.

If they had been doing their job they could have caught this guy after he bought the bomb supplies, and before he built it.

Remember, there are 1 billion Muslims in the world. And what.....25,000 FBI agenst at the most? Math don't add up. The FBI is doing a great job considering the size of the threat vs their manpower.

Which is why they should not be wasting multiple hours on stings to help people build fake bombs. You think I am contradicting myself, and fail to see the fact that you are the one who is doing that.

And had they ignored this Muslim punk in Portland and gone on to "real threats" then maybe the Portland guy is a real threat in a year, but disappears off the FBI radar before then.

He was already guilty of enough to charge him with a crime, and deport him, after they intercepted the emails about terror training. Yet they tied up resources playing footsie with him, and missed a real threat somewhere else.

The FBI's budget doesn't go off "how scared we are". Thats college professor propoganda. If the FBI/CIA released all classified documents on national threats that they stopped that we don't know about, I'm sure we would be scared out of our pants.

If the FBI were really catching dangerous terrorists we would know about it because they would end up in court, and the FBI, the DoJ, and the White House would be trumpeting the fact that they were stopping all these dangerous people. No one is telling you about something is not proof that it happens.

 

[bucs90]

He's probably just another "Legalize Weed!!!" crazy.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Haven't the Socialists/Progressives outlawed Christmas in Oregon? I'm just glad the people of Oregon are still allowed to celebrate Christmas. The Socialist nutters really have taken over in Oregon at this point. So this story is definitely a Two-fer victory. Kudos!

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The bomber SENT THE FBI the parts he wanted to use to build the bomb. Not the other way around.

I'd say a guy wanting to do jihad and looking for a way to blow up people is a real threat.

Who knows. If they ignored this guy, he may have gotten his hands on a real bomb.

Charge him with a crime, and move on. Instead they spend money and waste resources by plotting with him to blow up a tree lighting ceremony so that they can get headlines. How is the first option ignoring anything? At the least they could have deported him, added him to the non fly list. Instead they opted for a big splash, all so that some Special Agent in Charge could get a promotion out of Portland.

If you actually think about all of this you will see that the entire sting was nothing but political grandstanding, and wonder why anyone took the chance that this guy would not catch on to what was happening, drop out of site, and use the knowledge the FBI gave him to build a real bomb. Instead, you follow along like a sheep, believe everything you are told, and thank them for taking stupid chances.

A crime of what? "Possession of Electronic Equipment"? "Possession of Crazy"???

He was charged with Attempting to Use a Weapon of Mass Destruction. Which is what he intended to do. He attempted it, with is phone, to ignite the bomb he placed there, all by his grown self.

The special agent SHOULD get a promotion.

And guess what? HAD they found some lesser charge, such as conspiracy or possession of explosives (ATF jurisdiction btw) then what would happen? He'd get a slap on the wrist, probably get some jail time where he would meet other jihadi lifers, and be RELEASED with an even deeper resentment of America, more motivation, and a small insight on how the FBI investigated him (through trial discovery), so he could act more stealthly the next time.

I can't believe you are actually taking this guys side over the FBI.

Apparently you forgot about the laws that make it illegal to support terrorism. I would challenge you to show anywhere I took the side of the guy that they arrested. All I have done is express skepticism of what the FBI is saying, and pointed out that there are better uses of resources than to catch a guy they already caught.

 

[Revere]

Charge him with a crime, and move on. Instead they spend money and waste resources by plotting with him to blow up a tree lighting ceremony so that they can get headlines. How is the first option ignoring anything? At the least they could have deported him, added him to the non fly list. Instead they opted for a big splash, all so that some Special Agent in Charge could get a promotion out of Portland.

If you actually think about all of this you will see that the entire sting was nothing but political grandstanding, and wonder why anyone took the chance that this guy would not catch on to what was happening, drop out of site, and use the knowledge the FBI gave him to build a real bomb. Instead, you follow along like a sheep, believe everything you are told, and thank them for taking stupid chances.

A crime of what? "Possession of Electronic Equipment"? "Possession of Crazy"???

He was charged with Attempting to Use a Weapon of Mass Destruction. Which is what he intended to do. He attempted it, with is phone, to ignite the bomb he placed there, all by his grown self.

The special agent SHOULD get a promotion.

And guess what? HAD they found some lesser charge, such as conspiracy or possession of explosives (ATF jurisdiction btw) then what would happen? He'd get a slap on the wrist, probably get some jail time where he would meet other jihadi lifers, and be RELEASED with an even deeper resentment of America, more motivation, and a small insight on how the FBI investigated him (through trial discovery), so he could act more stealthly the next time.

I can't believe you are actually taking this guys side over the FBI.

Apparently you forgot about the laws that make it illegal to support terrorism. I would challenge you to show anywhere I took the side of the guy that they arrested. All I have done is express skepticism of what the FBI is saying, and pointed out that there are better uses of resources than to catch a guy they already caught.

Dude, you and I are on the same page on this. We get it and they don't.