BP Numbers Scam?

[Skull]

Medicine or marketing?

 

[Darkwind]

This is something that is apples and pears.

1. What is the generally accepted BP for a healthy adult who is not obese?
2. What BP level triggers action?

If your BP is 120 to 130 over 80, it won't trigger a diagnostic action. Over it will.

The key metric is what it is supposed to be. Not what triggers action.

 

[Skull]

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The key metric is what it is supposed to be.

Why has the "key metric" only come down in 30 years or so -- medical evidence or profiteering?

 

[Rambunctious]

128 over 72 was my last reading... but I do take lisinopril... be careful the numbers of people having strokes are higher than ever and the victims are younger than ever... fast food heavy in sodium... sugar and a lack of exercise adds up...
But 110 over 70 is like a childs BP and could be for added drug sales...

 

[Darkwind]

Why has the "key metric" only come down in 30 years or so -- medical evidence or profiteering?

A little of both.

However, given that the modern medical community has decided that diet and other holistic measures are NOT a preventative and promote pill pushing.

Not because of science, but because of Big Pharma and Big Agriculture.

If they pushed a low-carb and healthy-fat diet as the Standard American Diet, obesity and disease would be nearly stamped out.

Before the 1970s, obesity was relatively rare in America.

Then that clown Ancel Keys came onto the picture and claimed on flawed logic and shit science that low-fat, high-carb diets are healthy. He would then set out to destroy, professionally and personally, anyone who stood against his shit science.

Since then, obesity fueled diseases have risen geometrically until now, where we face a fat **** American epidemic.

 

[MarathonMike]

Medicine or marketing?

In my peak fitness years running marathons, my heart rate was 48 but my BP was NEVER 110/70. Definitely big Pharma colluding with doctors to boost profits.

 

[Hafar1014]

128 over 72 was my last reading... but I do take lisinopril... be careful the numbers of people having strokes are higher than ever and the victims are younger than ever... fast food heavy in sodium... sugar and a lack of exercise adds up...
But 110 over 70 is like a childs BP and could be for added drug sales...

Do not take lisinopril you will develop a severe cough. A better BP drug is losartan

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

A little of both.

However, given that the modern medical community has decided that diet and other holistic measures are NOT a preventative and promote pill pushing.

Not because of science, but because of Big Pharma and Big Agriculture.

If they pushed a low-carb and healthy-fat diet as the Standard American Diet, obesity and disease would be nearly stamped out.

Before the 1970s, obesity was relatively rare in America.

Then that clown Ancel Keys came onto the picture and claimed on flawed logic and shit science that low-fat, high-carb diets are healthy. He would then set out to destroy, professionally and personally, anyone who stood against his shit science.

Since then, obesity fueled diseases have risen geometrically until now, where we face a fat **** American epidemic.

Before They Could Stab Us in the Back, They Had to Take Away Our Backbone

To go further, if I may, eating meat (protein and "fat") creates courage, which terrifies the gutless,decadent, spoiled-putrid, and sheltered hereditary ruling class. That's why they push a vegan-weakling diet.

There's a terminology discrepancy in dieticians' jargon. Protein and carbohydrate are derived from Greek, so "fats" should be called "lipids." The meat-snatchers want to create the delusion that eating lipids will make us fat.

 

[Darkwind]

Before They Could Stab Us in the Back, They Had to Take Away Our Backbone

To go further, if I may, eating meat (protein and "fat") creates courage, which terrifies the gutless,decadent, spoiled-putrid, and sheltered hereditary ruling class. That's why they push a vegan-weakling diet.

There's a terminology discrepancy in dieticians' jargon. Protein and carbohydrate are derived from Greek, so "fats" should be called "lipids." The meat-snatchers want to create the delusion that eating lipids will make us fat.

Yes. There is a saying.

Don't blame red meat for the obesity that carbohydrates cause.

 

[Woodznutz]

Do not take lisinopril you will develop a severe cough. A better BP drug is losartan

When I was on Lisinopril I had 'the cough', annoying but not severe. I stopped taking it because it was screwing up my BP bigtime. After I quit it, my BP normalized (as much as it could after triple bypass surgery). My resting BP is usually around 130/65, Systolic sometimes lower. Heart rate 57 or lower.

Drinking 8 glasses of water daily will definitely raise your BP.

 

[Hafar1014]

When I was on Lisinopril I had 'the cough', annoying but not severe. I stopped taking it because it was screwing up my BP bigtime. After I quit it, my BP normalized (as much as it could after triple bypass surgery).

The cough is a serious kidney and lung condition.

 

[Woodznutz]

The cough is a serious kidney and lung condition.

Doctors poo-poo it along with most drug side effects. If anyone seriously believes that doctors are concerned with their health, they need to see a psychiatrist.

 

[Woodznutz]

The cough is a serious kidney and lung condition.

Doctors poo-poo it along with most drug side effects. If anyone seriously believes that doctors are concerned with their health, they need to see a psychiatrist. Doctors want to get you back on your feet and back to work so you can pay your medical bills but not so healthy that you don't return soon. This plan is so effective that they are swamped with return patients that must wait months for treatment.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Things change over time.

 

[Woodznutz]

A little of both.

However, given that the modern medical community has decided that diet and other holistic measures are NOT a preventative and promote pill pushing.

Not because of science, but because of Big Pharma and Big Agriculture.

If they pushed a low-carb and healthy-fat diet as the Standard American Diet, obesity and disease would be nearly stamped out.

Before the 1970s, obesity was relatively rare in America.

Then that clown Ancel Keys came onto the picture and claimed on flawed logic and shit science that low-fat, high-carb diets are healthy. He would then set out to destroy, professionally and personally, anyone who stood against his shit science.

Since then, obesity fueled diseases have risen geometrically until now, where we face a fat **** American epidemic.

Most childhood obesity is caused by lack of physical activity. When I was a kid we would drink bottle after bottle of soda to quench our thirst after vigorous activity and never put on an ounce of fat. We also ate a lot of sweets and other 'junk food' snacks. Fat adults are just those same kids that never changed their slothful habits once they grew up.

In my day kids walked to school, some from distances of over a mile each way. In all my 13 years of school I never once saw a parent deliver or pick up a student in front of my school. However, some kids did ride the city buses but they had to walk to the bus stop from their homes and from downtown to the school as the city buses didn't go past the schools.

In gym class everyone had to run laps at the beginning and end of the class to assure that everyone got at least that much exercise.

 

[braalian]

However, given that the modern medical community has decided that diet and other holistic measures are NOT a preventative and promote pill pushing.

What are you talking about? Doctors advise patients to change their diets and exercise more all the time.

As in almost every doctor to almost every patient who would benefit from doing so

 

[Darkwind]

What are you talking about? Doctors advise patients to change their diets and exercise more all the time.

As in almost every doctor to almost every patient who would benefit from doing so

You will never find in our modern-day medical profession any medicine that tackles diet as a means to prevent or treat disease. They ALL push pills.

In fact, you'd be hard-pressed to find an MD who has had more than a single semester on nutrition and its physical and physiological effects on the human body.

 

[braalian]

You will never find in our modern-day medical profession any medicine that tackles diet as a means to prevent or treat disease. They ALL push pills.

In fact, you'd be hard-pressed to find an MD who has had more than a single semester on nutrition and its physical and physiological effects on the human body.

Doctors are not nutritionists. By definition they are not going to, and cannot, base their entire treatment model solely on nutrition.

That’s why dieticians and nutritionists exist

The medical profession focuses on the diagnosis and treatment of diseases. Diet is only one piece of the puzzle

 

[Woodznutz]

What are you talking about? Doctors advise patients to change their diets and exercise more all the time.

As in almost every doctor to almost every patient who would benefit from doing so

Doctors are not dieticians or nutritionists.

 

[initforme]

Mine has been 150 over 100 for years. Still happily collecting my social security and uding medicare.