Boys..... & the Rainbow Party

[archangel]

I think the definition of a whore is someone who is willing to do just about anything to get whatever they can from a man. I don't want to argue semantics here, this is just my opinion.

It goes both ways....I knew I liked Said1...!

 

[5stringJeff]

I did not mean to imply that you were going to warp your daughter's mind. I think it's wise that you talk to your daughter. But she may not understand. Heck, I have problems with why you guys doing some of the things you do! And you can't tell me, as well as you know your wife, you don't always understand her thinking/behavior.
I still stand by the fact that IF your daughter is taught, by her father that she is important, ( & not to the point of being a prima donna) she WILL behave like a lady.

When my daughter gets to be dating age, I will make sure she is equipped with enough information to make wise decisions. That includes info on how guys operate, info on what can happen if you fool around (bad reputation, STDs, pregnancy), info on what God wants from us, and why, etc. etc. And I am already teaching my daughter that she is important to me, and important to others. That's a lesson that doesn't have to wait.

 

[Said1]

It goes both ways....I knew I liked Said1...!

Sure it goes both ways, men can be whores too.

 

[archangel]

Sure it goes both ways, men can be whores too.

Men are born whores...a good woman is the only redemption.... :tng:

 

[IControlThePast]

The reasoning is not that she wanted it, I misspoke. the reasoning is, she deserved it, and should have expected it.

Nobody ever deserves it, even if they think it's what they want, but if you dress like a slut expect to be treated like one. That, however, has nothing to do with raping.

 

[Shattered]

Nobody ever deserves it, even if they think it's what they want, but if you dress like a slut expect to be treated like one. That, however, has nothing to do with raping.

Why can't you just treat people with the common courtesy you expect to be treated with, regardless of what clothing is being worn? Why sit there and come up with excuses for your own churlish behavior?

 

[GotZoom]

Nobody ever deserves it, even if they think it's what they want, but if you dress like a slut expect to be treated like one. That, however, has nothing to do with raping.

And how would that be?

Exactly what do you to to "treat someone" like a slut?

 

[5stringJeff]

I think ICTP's point is somewhat valid, though I too would be interested to know how one treats a 'slut.' But if a woman dresses in a provocative fashion, she should expect that guys are going to view her as someone who is more likely to have sex with guys in general (and possibly him, in particular).

 

[IControlThePast]

Why can't you just treat people with the common courtesy you expect to be treated with, regardless of what clothing is being worn? Why sit there and come up with excuses for your own churlish behavior?

If I was dressed like a slut, I would expect to be treated like one. If I'm walking along the side of the road in only overalls with a beer in my hand and a John Deer hat on with a wad of 'baccy, I'd expect people to assume I was a redneck. I can't change the behavior of all the men out there, you know that.

And how would that be?

Exactly what do you to to "treat someone" like a slut?

I've already defined what that was earlier. Ass hanging out, extremely short skirt or shorts, a very high slit, excessive displaying of the underwear, excessive cleavage. It's like porn, you know it when you see it. You can wear a black leather and lace dress that isn't too exposing but look exactly like a dominatrix.

People treated like a slut means others will assume you fit under that label and try for one nighters, or short relationships with multiple partners, etc, or pass you over if they're looking for a relationship.

 

[GotZoom]

I think ICTP's point is somewhat valid, though I too would be interested to know how one treats a 'slut.' But if a woman dresses in a provocative fashion, she should expect that guys are going to view her as someone who is more likely to have sex with guys in general (and possibly him, in particular).

Personally, if I see a women who is dressed provocatively (but not classy) or as some would say, SLUTTY, I would continue on with doing what I am doing.

If I had to interact with her, I wouldn not automatically have to go into "disrespect mode" and therefore, treat her "like a slut."

 

[GotZoom]

If I was dressed like a slut, I would expect to be treated like one. If I'm walking along the side of the road in only overalls with a beer in my hand and a John Deer hat on with a wad of 'baccy, I'd expect people to assume I was a redneck. I can't change the behavior of all the men out there, you know that.

And it would be OK with you if people assumed you had sex with animals?

I've already defined what that was earlier. Ass hanging out, extremely short skirt or shorts, a very high slit, excessive displaying of the underwear, excessive cleavage. It's like porn, you know it when you see it. You can wear a black leather and lace dress that isn't too exposing but look exactly like a dominatrix.

People treated like a slut means others will assume you fit under that label and try for one nighters, or short relationships with multiple partners, etc, or pass you over if they're looking for a relationship.

Is it correct for people to base the way they treat people or base the amount of respect one is given strictly by their appearance?

 

[5stringJeff]

Personally, if I see a women who is dressed provocatively (but not classy) or as some would say, SLUTTY, I would continue on with doing what I am doing.

If I had to interact with her, I wouldn not automatically have to go into "disrespect mode" and therefore, treat her accordingly.

Maybe it's me....maybe I don't know how to treat someone slutty.

All I'm saying is that we all make assumptions about people based on first impressions, and part of that first impression is how people dress. I'm not saying that a woman deserves to be treated differently based on the way she dresses; I am saying that she probably will be treated differently anyway.

 

[Shattered]

Ok, ICTP, you win.. You continue treating people how you think they 'deserve' to be treated.. I'll continue to treat them like *people* until they act like something different. Clothing does not make the person. While they may *look* like a slut/tramp/whore/whatever to you, that doesn't give you any God given "right" to treat them as anything less than a human being, no matter what they look like.

 

[IControlThePast]

And it would be OK with you if people assumed you had sex with animals?



Is it correct for people to base the way they treat people or base the amount of respect one is given strictly by their appearance?

Most rednecks don't have sex with animals, unless you think the redneck women are the equivalent of animals. I grew up in the South, and there was only one guy out of 400k in the area the newspapers cover that was arrested for a buggery charge. He just happened to be from my hometown of 250 though.

No it's not correct, but that's what happens.

 

[GotZoom]

Most rednecks don't have sex with animals, unless you think the redneck women are the equivalent of animals. I grew up in the South, and there was only one guy out of 400k in the area the newspapers cover that was arrested for a buggery charge. He just happened to be from my hometown of 250 though.

No it's not correct, but that's what happens.

I have heard that some people think all rednecks have sex with animals, have no teeth, get kidnapped by aliens, and journey back and forth to Jerry Springer just for the free hotel room.

Not true?

Sorry..it was just an assumption. Based strictly on the way they are dressed of course.

 

[IControlThePast]

I have heard that some people think all rednecks have sex with animals, have no teeth, get kidnapped by aliens, and journey back and forth to Jerry Springer just for the free hotel room.

Not true?

Sorry..it was just an assumption. Based strictly on the way they are dressed of course.

I can't tell you about sex with animals, but aparently not many are caught. You can see if they've got no teeth. They actually try to fend off the aliens with their shotguns. Obviously most have not gone on the Jerry Springer show, although I know quite a few who have wanted to. There aren't too many assumptions you can make about rednecks, except that they've done something in one of the categories that could make them a redneck, like entered a tractor pull, be a whiskey/moonshine bootlegger, etc.

 

[GotZoom]

Ok, ICTP, you win.. You continue treating people how you think they 'deserve' to be treated.. I'll continue to treat them like *people* until they act like something different. Clothing does not make the person. While they may *look* like a slut/tramp/whore/whatever to you, that doesn't give you any God given "right" to treat them as anything less than a human being, no matter what they look like.

I love this woman.

 

[IControlThePast]

Ok, ICTP, you win.. You continue treating people how you think they 'deserve' to be treated.. I'll continue to treat them like *people* until they act like something different. Clothing does not make the person. While they may *look* like a slut/tramp/whore/whatever to you, that doesn't give you any God given "right" to treat them as anything less than a human being, no matter what they look like.

Go introduce yourself to everyone that way, it's them you have a problem with, not me. Sluts are human beings too. People don't do what's right. If they did our world would be free of problems. Go and tell everyone that and they won't try and make a visual impression of you, although they then might assume that you are personally very defensive.

 

[GotZoom]

Go introduce yourself to everyone that way, it's them you have a problem with, not me. Sluts are human beings too. People don't do what's right. If they did our world would be free of problems. Go and tell everyone that and they won't try and make a visual impression of you, although they then might assume that you are personally very defensive.

How profound.

What did you mean..introduce yourself to everyone that way? What way?

 

[Merlin1047]

Ok, ICTP, you win.. You continue treating people how you think they 'deserve' to be treated.. I'll continue to treat them like *people* until they act like something different. Clothing does not make the person. While they may *look* like a slut/tramp/whore/whatever to you, that doesn't give you any God given "right" to treat them as anything less than a human being, no matter what they look like.

I was going to leave this topic alone, but I was never long on common sense. So at the risk of upsetting both you and Joz, I'm going to try to tiptoe through the minefield.

If I post sumthin that's shot thru with bad grammer, bad spelinnk, and dam crude langwige, you would probably assume that either I'm an illiterate halfwit at worst or an extremely poor typist at best. Either way, your impression of me is based on my public persona.

Likewise, the way people dress and act in public sends a signal about the type of person they are and the type of behavior in which they engage. Now I'm not saying that's RIGHT, I'm just saying that's a FACT of the human condition. We form first impressions based on visual assessment and how we process that assessment into our own personal frames of reference.

There are two ways a woman can get my attention. One way is to give me whiplash when I snap my head around fast enough to get a good look. Cleavage, short tight skirt, skimpy shorts, teeny bikini all work. Yes, that may be chauvinistic, but I will not attempt to reverse millenia of male propensities all by myself. I have neither the will nor the inclination to even make the attempt. So ladies, if you don't want to see me drool, keep your boobies covered.

The second way a woman gets my attention is to sit down and talk to her. If we can keep an interesting conversation going, if she is her own person, if she has her own perspectives and opinions, then she becomes far more beautiful to me than the honey parading down the center aisle of the local mall with her shorts riding into the crack of her butt.

Frankly, women who feel the need to put themselves on display tend to make me uncomfortable. I have no rational explantion for that, so don't even ask. Perhaps one way I can attempt an explanation is to recount my disappointment with Cher when she went through her phase of nearly exposing herself during her act. Cher is a beautiful woman and a talented artist. She didn't need to flash her ass to prove it. It demeaned her and it diminished her art.