'Bout 37 hours left.. Time to see how many folks are brain-washed

[Avatar4321]

After the Bush victory, hopefully the Democrats will learn that the people who did MOST to defeat Kerry are the Clintons. That in itself has to hurt enough to clean up the party and start over with a sensible strategy for our country.

See im not even sure if thats true. I think kerry has been his own worst enemy here.

 

[eseid]

Bush wins both Ohio and Florida which seals the election for him. The rest is less significant, but I predict he does win Hawaii and (since I live there) I'm giving him Michigan too...just a gut feeling. The Osama tape really helps him at the last minute with seniors and Jews.

And the stupid comment by Cronkite helps him too.

The only thing that changes this is a successful terrorist attack in the next 24 hours. In that case, the election is delayed, and Kerry wins easily because the biased media crucifies the Bush admin for its "failure to keep us safe."

 

[White knight]

I’m thinking about defecting and giving my vote to Kerry, I don’t like his commi-association or his anti-military views.

But I don’t like what I learned today, the same Old Boy’s networks that had their hands in the planning of the Vietnam Wars, failures are the same ones that put their hands in the Iraq pie.
Halliburton, KBR profited under questionable circumstances during the Vietnam War, much like they are profiting under questionable circumstances in the Iraq war.
It seems they have a history of cozying up to the same political players and profiting from prolonged wars.

Following the death of Herman Brown, Halliburton acquired Brown & Root in December of 1962. According to Dan Briody, who wrote a book on the subject, the company became part of a consortium of four companies that built about eighty-five per cent of the infrastructure needed by the Army during the Vietnam War. At the height of the war resistance movement of the '60s, Brown & Root was derided as "Burn & Loot" by protesters and soldiers.
In October 2003 members of Congress Henry Waxman (D-CA) and John Dingell (D-MI) demanded an investigation in the high prices that are asked for the oil that is sold in Iraq. The firm was importing Kuwaiti oil for 23 eurocents a liter, which shouldn't have cost the US government no more than 60 eurocents according to experts. The US was selling this oil for 3,400 eurocents a liter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kellogg,_Brown_and_Root

 

[Zhukov]

How's voting for Sen. Kerry going to change anything? They were both in Skull & Bones. Skull & Bones man!

 

[White knight]

He's too big of a pus to see our troops get slaughtered for profits. These bloodsuckers in Bush's administration can't be trusted to bring a quick end to the War; it is in their financial interest to prolong it like they did in Nam.
Do you want to see troop body counts continue to rise, while the civilian planers who have a conflict in interest keep meddling in military operations?

It’s all about $$$$, The Brown & Loot of all-Evil.

 

[Zhukov]

Do you want to see troop body counts continue to rise, while the civilian planers who have a conflict in interest keep meddling in military operations?

Absolutely. Why not? What real American doesn't.

It’s all about $$$$.

And you don't think Sen. Kerry is interested in money?

Skull & Bones man, Skull & Bones.

 

[Avatar4321]

And you don't think Sen. Kerry is interested in money?

No of course not...he really loves Theresa...and the first wife...right...

 

[White knight]

I don’t think he has the guts to spill blood for money, His happy days in Nam made him a little gun shy,


The Apache’s want Geronimo’s skull back or they will take Prescot’s instead.

 

[nakedemperor]

Its going to be a blow out Tuesday Bush is going to beat Kerry around like Reagan beat Mondale.

Only Bush is going to win Minnesota. the state Reagan lost

Im predicting Bush with near 400 Electorial votes.

WHY I OUGHTA!!

Aw, I can't stay mad at you.

 

[Avatar4321]

WHY I OUGHTA!!

Aw, I can't stay mad at you.

no one can.

 

[Redz]

being liberal does not mean being anti american, thats childish resoning. having a differnet viewpoint is healthy. thinking a war or a policy is wrong does not make you unpatriotic. for example people disagree with government ploicy about affrimative action or arbotion, yet this does not make them unpatriotic does it?. expressing a different view from the government is healthy for society, as it plays a crucial role in helping society to evolve for the benefit of everybody

 

[UsaPride]

being liberal does not mean being anti american, thats childish resoning. having a differnet viewpoint is healthy. thinking a war or a policy is wrong does not make you unpatriotic. for example people disagree with government ploicy about affrimative action or arbotion, yet this does not make them unpatriotic does it?. expressing a different view from the government is healthy for society, as it plays a crucial role in helping society to evolve for the benefit of everybody

I don't think having a different viewpoint makes you unAmerican. Making proganda film and passing it off as Fact makes you unAmerican. Believing the lies in the proganda film, even though theres so much evidence to the contrary, just so you can have a reason to hate the administration makes you unAmerican.
This is just my opinion though.

 

[Redz]

both sides engage in propaganda. there are so many facts out there that you can essentially support and spin any position. i just think this current election is very emotive and divisive, and thats because of propaganda from both sides. propaganda is supposed to get an emotional response. emotions are an more primal and primitive way of looking at the world, they are a step back from reason. by making us fearful and angry with their propaganda they can control us and the general political discourse more easily

 

[phadras]

being liberal does not mean being anti american, thats childish resoning. having a differnet viewpoint is healthy. thinking a war or a policy is wrong does not make you unpatriotic. for example people disagree with government ploicy about affrimative action or arbotion, yet this does not make them unpatriotic does it?. expressing a different view from the government is healthy for society, as it plays a crucial role in helping society to evolve for the benefit of everybody

the propensity for it........ Lesseeeee Libs hate capitalism..Capitalism is the economic basis for the United States.... Libs favor decisions made by a few select individuals (The Federal and State Courts) to determine national issues.........The United States is a democratic republic...So libs have a little trouble with the people running the country..... Libs prefer a "global test" to determine military moves by the United States.... The Constitution of The United States makes no such provison to determine American military action.....Libs believe in "proportional representation" just as many of the Socialist "democracies" of Europe.... The winner doesn't really win,,,there is no loser......Resulting in an indeterminate electorate.... The Constitution of The United States recognizes no such "proportional" elections... I could go on if you wish....... So you see being a Lib may not make you anti-American, it just gets you into the same camp/compound/gulag as those who do hate the nation.... Understand now? Further elucidation required?

 

[Jimmyeatworld]

both sides engage in propaganda. there are so many facts out there that you can essentially support and spin any position. i just think this current election is very emotive and divisive, and thats because of propaganda from both sides. propaganda is supposed to get an emotional response. emotions are an more primal and primitive way of looking at the world, they are a step back from reason. by making us fearful and anger with their propaganda they can control us and the general political discourse more easily

I'm not sure where this is coming from or why it's in this thread, but...

There's a difference between spin and propaganda. Spin has been around for years, what has come from people like Michael Moore and MoveOn.org is pure propaganda, particularly Moore. The thing about spin is there is usually some basis of truth to it. Propaganda is just wild allegations, conspiracy theory, or outright lies. You are right when you say "propaganda is supposed to get an emotional response. emotions are an more primal and primitive way of looking at the world". That's exactly what Michael Moore was going for with his...ahem...documentary.

 

[Avatar4321]

being liberal does not mean being anti american, thats childish resoning. having a differnet viewpoint is healthy. thinking a war or a policy is wrong does not make you unpatriotic. for example people disagree with government ploicy about affrimative action or arbotion, yet this does not make them unpatriotic does it?. expressing a different view from the government is healthy for society, as it plays a crucial role in helping society to evolve for the benefit of everybody

You dont see the difference between disagreeing with specially treatment based on race and infanticy versus refusing to support your country in its efforts to defend to defend your freedoms and lives from evil men at all?

Hence the problem with liberals. Its alright to kill babies but not alright to kill people trying to kill our family and friends and trying to subjegate us. Go fig.

 

[Redz]

fair point jimmy, that IS moores agenda, but at the same time creating fear in the general population is a government agenda. in my opinion terrorists are simply the new soviets. people rally around authority figues in times of danger and uncertainity.

 

[Redz]

Hence the problem with liberals. Its alright to kill babies but not alright to kill people trying to kill our family and friends and trying to subjegate us. Go fig.

emotive statement..How do you know they are trying to kill you? your government or media tells you.
yes 9/11 i know,but one horrible terrorist attack does not mean the muslim world is trying to kill you or your family. and as for being subjegated by a religious theocracy. well in many ways the lines between religion and state are being blurred in america, to appeal to the large christan community!. how is it different to a muslim theocracy except that we grew up as christians in the west

 

[Flying Duck]

fair point jimmy, that IS moores agenda, but at the same time creating fear in the general population is a government agenda. in my opinion terrorists are simply the new soviets. people rally around authority figues in times of danger and uncertainity.

Why is it wrong to fear someone who:

1) Has been attacking your country for years and randomly killing innocents.

2) Committed 9/11 - killing 3,000 innocentso n our home soil and impacting the economy by hundreds of billions of dollars

3) Openly threatens to commit an act which will dwarf 9/11?

 

[Avatar4321]

emotive statement..How do you know they are trying to kill you? your government or media tells you.
yes 9/11 i know,but one horrible terrorist attack does not mean the muslim world is trying to kill you or your family. and as for being subjegated by a religious theocracy. well in many ways the lines between religion and state are being blurred in america, to appeal to the large christan community!. how is it different to a muslim theocracy except that we grew up as christians in the west

A history of repeated attacks on the United states, their own video tapes claiming they want us dead a nd you dont think they are trying to kill and subjugate us?

I wish you libs would actually try to understand what separation of Church and state means. It means there is no established American Church. There never has been. There never will be. You people seem confused about that.