Bottom Line: The Left Believe the Declaration of Independence Is A Lie

[Cecilie1200]

The Left WROTE The Declaration of Independence

Not today’s Left. Today’s Left would have been to busy burning and looting colonies because someone got put in the stockade.

Well, they would have tried, and been summarily killed as the rabid dogs they are.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

The Left WROTE The Declaration of Independence

If that were true we would have the Communist Manifesto instead. The left were the ones wanting to keep King George in charge of their lives.

You do realize it was Conservative Torries who supported King George?

Liberals back then used to Tar and Feather the Torries
We call those the good ole days

Tory - Wikipedia

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You use the words back then as if they apply today. They don’t. The American version of a liberal in 2020 would not only never consider a founding document such as the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution they would reject it in it's entirety. You reject it today. You’re entire party rejects it. There is no part of those documents you would defend. None.

Are you trying to tell us that Liberals have to maintain the same views they had 250 years ago to remain Liberal?

That evolving to support the rights of blacks, women, workers or protecting the environment makes them no longer Liberal?

Do Conservatives have the same views they had 250 years ago?

You weren't liberal then and you're not liberal now. You hijacked the word but have nothing in common with the meaning. You're democrats, and yes, after 250 years our views have not changed about you. You're all shit bags.

 

[rightwinger]

The Left WROTE The Declaration of Independence

If that were true we would have the Communist Manifesto instead. The left were the ones wanting to keep King George in charge of their lives.

You do realize it was Conservative Torries who supported King George?

Liberals back then used to Tar and Feather the Torries
We call those the good ole days

Tory - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You use the words back then as if they apply today. They don’t. The American version of a liberal in 2020 would not only never consider a founding document such as the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution they would reject it in it's entirety. You reject it today. You’re entire party rejects it. There is no part of those documents you would defend. None.

Are you trying to tell us that Liberals have to maintain the same views they had 250 years ago to remain Liberal?

That evolving to support the rights of blacks, women, workers or protecting the environment makes them no longer Liberal?

Do Conservatives have the same views they had 250 years ago?

You weren't liberal then and you're not liberal now. You hijacked the word but have nothing in common with the meaning. You're democrats, and yes, after 250 years our views have not changed about you. You're all shit bags.

A liberal is a liberal, is a liberal

They look at society and ask......how can I make it better?

That hasn’t changed for centuries

 

[Cecilie1200]

The left now is full-on central government. This is undeniable.

What has the right done to correct that?

Oh, I love it. "Never mind that the left sucks. It's the right's job to fix them sucking."

 

[Cecilie1200]

If and when America falls

If and when America fails it will be because of authoritarian demagogues like Trump making a mockery of what the founders tried to create..............and halfwits like you who are too brainwashed to understand Ben Shapiro is a pseudo-intellectual hack filling the heads of the simple minded with fatuous nonsense.

"Well, he's just stupid and you're a bad person, so there!" is not a good rebuttal. Just FYI.

 

[Cecilie1200]

That is their bottom line. America is a lie and founded on lies. America didn't begin in 1776, it began in 1619 when the first so called kidnapped Africans arrived.

This is what they are taught and what they believe.

Here is what I wonder. If and when America falls, I wonder where all of these people trying to escape their oppressive lands of zero opportunities under their socialist regimes could possibly go.

Well all "men" were not created equal with unalienable rights. But the declaration was not a legal doc, and the const enshrined slavery, until it was changed

Why do I get the feeling that the problem here isn't that the Declaration is incorrect, but that your perspective is shallow and hobbled by a substandard understanding of what those words actually mean?

 

[Cecilie1200]

So you all agree. Ben Shapiro was spot on. Don't worry, socialism will make things better.

Oh stop it- intentional obtuseness is not flattering- Ben Shapiro is a war mongering Neocon just like the Empty Suits in the District of Criminals that populate the halls of congress- he's a ******* jew- he don't give a rats ass about the US-

. . . Aaaaaand the bigot is OUTTA HERE!!!!

FLUSH!

 

[Gdjjr]

but Trump surrendered that as he cowered before dictators and broke our alliances

That happened long before Trump rein in your TDS.

 

[Gdjjr]

Oh, I love it. "Never mind that the left sucks. It's the right's job to fix them sucking."

Good- maybe you don't comprehend how politics work?

 

[Gdjjr]

Aaaaaand the bigot is OUTTA HERE!!!!

FLUSH!

Bigot? Because I call a spade a spade?

 

[Gdjjr]

I see no political genius's addressed this- who does the below represent?

• THE RULE OF THE MARKET. Liberating "free" enterprise or private enterprise from any bonds imposed by the government (the state) no matter how much social damage this causes. Greater openness to international trade and investment, as in NAFTA. Reduce wages by de-unionizing workers and eliminating workers' rights that had been won over many years of struggle. No more price controls. All in all, total freedom of movement for capital, goods and services. To convince us this is good for us, they say "an unregulated market is the best way to increase economic growth, which will ultimately benefit everyone." It's like Reagan's "supply-side" and "trickle-down" economics -- but somehow the wealth didn't trickle down very much.
• CUTTING PUBLIC EXPENDITURE FOR SOCIAL SERVICES like education and health care. REDUCING THE SAFETY-NET FOR THE POOR, and even maintenance of roads, bridges, water supply -- again in the name of reducing government's role. Of course, they don't oppose government subsidies and tax benefits for business.
• DEREGULATION. Reduce government regulation of everything that could diminsh profits, including protecting the environmentand safety on the job.

• PRIVATIZATION. Sell state-owned enterprises, goods and services to private investors. This includes banks, key industries, railroads, toll highways, electricity, schools, hospitals and even fresh water. Although usually done in the name of greater efficiency, which is often needed, privatization has mainly had the effect of concentrating wealth even more in a few hands and making the public pay even more for its needs.
• ELIMINATING THE CONCEPT OF "THE PUBLIC GOOD" or "COMMUNITY" and replacing it with "individual responsibility." Pressuring the poorest people in a society to find solutions to their lack of health care, education and social security all by themselves -- then blaming them, if they fail, as "lazy."

 

[daveman]

The Left WROTE The Declaration of Independence

Not today’s Left.

Are you sure?
Boy are you dumb

Today’s Left would have burnt down the 13 colonies. They would not have enough time to write.

They would have informed on the Revolutionaries to the Crown.

You need a history lesson

It was CONSERVATIVES who supported the Crown

Seriously? Today’s Left would care whatvthe rest of the World thought of US. Appease Appease Appease..... and capitulate, too..

You seem to have missed out on American History

It was LIBERALs who supported the equality of men. Conservatives of the day followed the money and supported the British troops.

Conservatives have not changed much

Nobody with any sense believes your horseshit.

 

[daveman]

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

I believe Thomas Jefferson's above words were inspired less by truth and more by the words used in the Dutch Plakkaat of almost 200 years before to justify the Netherlands’ revolt against Spanish rule, "whereas God did not create the people slaves to their prince, to obey his commands, whether right or wrong, but rather the prince for the sake of the subjects (without which he could be no prince), to govern them according to equity, to love and support them as a father his children or a shepherd his flock".

Yet more proof today's liberals hate the DofI.

1. They hate the idea of a Creator. Their god is government.

2. They believe rights are granted by government, not inborn.

 

[2aguy]

The Left WROTE The Declaration of Independence

No, they didn't. The Founders based the Declaration on traditional Rights of the English.......Rights that were being ignored by the crown. They went through a legal process to address their grievances and the King ignored them, only then did they declare Independence..........you moron.

 

[daveman]

They would have informed on the Revolutionaries to the Crown.

The "conservatives" of the day, sided with the King- the liberals wanted a separate Country- albeit, they were classical liberals- the conservatives won, eventually, leaving us with a centralized power in DC with the Bill of Rights as the only concession they were willing to give into- they were called Federalist- the anti-federalist feared what we're now living- so, in political speak that is *status quo* (central authority from a distant location) and the Empty Suit Brigades in the Districts of Criminals around the Country are more than happy with it- including clowns on BOTH sides of the aisle, which exists purely for their entertainment and our division-

Conservatives today are classical liberals.

No, conservatives today are conservatives. Not whatever new retarded box you wish to put them in. You know shit. Stop talking.

Ooooh, somebody's cranky. Take a nap, kid.

 

[daveman]

The Left WROTE The Declaration of Independence

Name a leftist who signed the declaration of Independence
The signers of the declaration of Independence were fighting against what the modern-day leftist wants

Thomas Jefferson

The signers were fighting against an entrenched Government that was indifferent to the rights and needs of the common people.

Just like today’s Liberals fight

...unless you want to buy a scary black rifle, put some incandescent light bulbs in your house, install a toilet that uses more than a gallon per flush, share conservative ideas with college kids, or defend yourself and your family and your business from domestic terrorists.

You lose this argument every time you laughably attempt it.

 

[daveman]

That isn't an argument, but I suppose it's all you've got.

Who does this represent?

• THE RULE OF THE MARKET. Liberating "free" enterprise or private enterprise from any bonds imposed by the government (the state) no matter how much social damage this causes. Greater openness to international trade and investment, as in NAFTA. Reduce wages by de-unionizing workers and eliminating workers' rights that had been won over many years of struggle. No more price controls. All in all, total freedom of movement for capital, goods and services. To convince us this is good for us, they say "an unregulated market is the best way to increase economic growth, which will ultimately benefit everyone." It's like Reagan's "supply-side" and "trickle-down" economics -- but somehow the wealth didn't trickle down very much.
• CUTTING PUBLIC EXPENDITURE FOR SOCIAL SERVICES like education and health care. REDUCING THE SAFETY-NET FOR THE POOR, and even maintenance of roads, bridges, water supply -- again in the name of reducing government's role. Of course, they don't oppose government subsidies and tax benefits for business.
• DEREGULATION. Reduce government regulation of everything that could diminsh profits, including protecting the environmentand safety on the job.

• PRIVATIZATION. Sell state-owned enterprises, goods and services to private investors. This includes banks, key industries, railroads, toll highways, electricity, schools, hospitals and even fresh water. Although usually done in the name of greater efficiency, which is often needed, privatization has mainly had the effect of concentrating wealth even more in a few hands and making the public pay even more for its needs.
• ELIMINATING THE CONCEPT OF "THE PUBLIC GOOD" or "COMMUNITY" and replacing it with "individual responsibility." Pressuring the poorest people in a society to find solutions to their lack of health care, education and social security all by themselves -- then blaming them, if they fail, as "lazy.

The scary conservative booga-boogas you keep in your head.

 

[daveman]

So you all agree. Ben Shapiro was spot on. Don't worry, socialism will make things better.

Oh stop it- intentional obtuseness is not flattering- Ben Shapiro is a war mongering Neocon just like the Empty Suits in the District of Criminals that populate the halls of congress- he's a ******* jew- he don't give a rats ass about the US-

"A ******* jew".

Remind me again -- why should anyone take you seriously?

 

[daveman]

Not sure what else we need to know.

A lot- you might consider reading something other than propaganda.

Do you have any informative articles on Stormfront you could link us to, Fritz?

 

[daveman]

This thread proves Ben Shapiro 100% accurate. The left are the enemy. Not sure what else we need to know.

Shapiro was shoveling bullshit in claiming that the founders did not have divisive government. Their government was more divisive than today

They participated in duels. Democrats would not fare well with those today.