Body of Christ

[Picaro]

Let me try to make it simple.

Jesus never claimed to be a part of any coequal trinity. See John 20:17.

Jesus claimed to be the fulfillment of God's promise of sending a messiah, like Moses, a Jewish man who was taught by God and openly shared this teaching that came to him like manna from heaven. This teaching that was of God and with God from the beginning is what became his flesh, a new metaphor for instruction from God.

This is a little clearer re your point. This is not to say I agree with it, it's just a clearer point. Thanks.

If his teaching is not in you the body of Christ is not in you even if you ate all of the eucharists in the world.

I'm not Catholic, Anglican, or any of those.

 

[hobelim]

Let me try to make it simple.

Jesus never claimed to be a part of any coequal trinity. See John 20:17.

Jesus claimed to be the fulfillment of God's promise of sending a messiah, like Moses, a Jewish man who was taught by God and openly shared this teaching that came to him like manna from heaven. This teaching that was of God and with God from the beginning is what became his flesh, a new metaphor for instruction from God.

This is a little clearer re your point. This is not to say I agree with it, it's just a clearer point. Thanks.

If his teaching is not in you the body of Christ is not in you even if you ate all of the eucharists in the world.

I'm not Catholic, Anglican, or any of those.

Do you still have trouble understanding why anyone would object to the belief in a trinity?

Do you not believe that to worship a human being as if he was equal to God is idolatry?


Anytime that you want to discuss the elohim, which can mean gods, plural, but also means Judges, let me know.


Just remember, the watchers are watching.



The Benei Elohim, the Watchers, and the Origins of Evil - TheTorah.com

 

[Picaro]

Do you still have trouble understanding why anyone would object to the belief in a trinity?

No, not given Genesis and other parts of the Torah re God having human characteristics as well as man having 'divine' ones.

Do you not believe that to worship a human being as if he was equal to God is idolatry?

I don't know any Christians doing that; they all seem to think they are the same being.

Anytime that you want to discuss the elohim, which can mean gods, plural, but also means Judges, let me know.

Given the context in Genesis, I would say that in those passages, since the term 'Elohim' is preceded by the specific name YHWH', as in 'YHWH Elohim', it is referring to God aspects and not as a reference to judges in the context of Genesis 1:26, or when 'walking in the Garden', definitely a anthropocentric reference, especially when it's stated elsewhere about man being 'created in his image'. Textual analysis doesn't refute the belief, either, as far as I can tell re use of the term 'Elohim' in 1:26, especially given 1:27 immediately afterward; the Godhead creates two more images, one male and one female, both assumed to be in 'God's images' as well, also consistent with God's 'walk in the Garden' passages.

Who Is the “Us” in Genesis 1:26? - Christian Research Institute

Finally, there is warrant in the immediate and broader contexts to support the idea that the plural pronoun us refers to the divine plurality of the Trinity. In the immediate context, the man is said to be created in plurality (male and female), thus forging the finite relationship of a man and a woman in the image of infinite relationships within the Godhead. Likewise, the broader context of Scripture under girds the us as one God revealed in three Persons, eternally distinct.

Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness,
and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air,
over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures
that move along the ground.”
Genesis 1:26

Given many later passages and stories and references, this also makes sense. There is room for both arguments, I didn't personally write anything in Genesis myself so I don't have a dog in the fight, but I do find the textual and literary evidence to be fine with the 'trinity' opinions as well. It's clear humans are indeed a manifestation of at least some aspects of 'divine' appearance.

 

[hobelim]

Do you still have trouble understanding why anyone would object to the belief in a trinity?

No, not given Genesis and other parts of the Torah re God having human characteristics as well as man having 'divine' ones.

Do you not believe that to worship a human being as if he was equal to God is idolatry?

I don't know any Christians doing that; they all seem to think they are the same being.

Anytime that you want to discuss the elohim, which can mean gods, plural, but also means Judges, let me know.

Given the context in Genesis, I would say that in those passages, since the term 'Elohim' is preceded by the specific name YHWH', as in 'YHWH Elohim', it is referring to God aspects and not as a reference to judges in the context of Genesis 1:26, or when 'walking in the Garden', definitely a anthropocentric reference, especially when it's stated elsewhere about man being 'created in his image'. Textual analysis doesn't refute the belief, either, as far as I can tell re use of the term 'Elohim' in 1:26, especially given 1:27 immediately afterward; the Godhead creates two more images, one male and one female, both assumed to be in 'God's images' as well, also consistent with God's 'walk in the Garden' passages.

Who Is the “Us” in Genesis 1:26? - Christian Research Institute

Finally, there is warrant in the immediate and broader contexts to support the idea that the plural pronoun us refers to the divine plurality of the Trinity. In the immediate context, the man is said to be created in plurality (male and female), thus forging the finite relationship of a man and a woman in the image of infinite relationships within the Godhead. Likewise, the broader context of Scripture under girds the us as one God revealed in three Persons, eternally distinct.

Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness,
and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air,
over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures
that move along the ground.”
Genesis 1:26

Given many later passages and stories and references, this also makes sense. There is room for both arguments, I didn't personally write anything in Genesis myself so I don't have a dog in the fight, but I do find the textual and literary evidence to be fine with the 'trinity' opinions as well. It's clear humans are indeed a manifestation of at least some aspects of 'divine' appearance.

Thank you for all of that but I'll pass.


Jesus made it clear that God was the source of his being.

Any being who attributes the source of their existence to God cannot be God. This is fairy basic.

Aside from that Jesus made it clear that he was sent by God to reveal the hidden secrets of the kingdom of God and that he was instructed by God about what to say and how to say it. In fact he made it clear that he could do nothing if God was not with him..

If Jesus could do nothing without this inspiration from God he was not God., pure and simple. If Jesus claimed to be God as his enemies accused, he was just insane. I don't believe that but anyone who says that Jesus claimed to be God might as well say that Jesus was insane.

Even if everything Jesus spoke was what God wanted people to hear that still did not make Jesus God, just the expected messiah who was chosen by God to give voice to his wisdom, as specified in deuteronomy 18:18.

"I will put my words into his mouth and he will convey all of my commands."


There really is no way around the fact that there never was and never will be a human being that was God or became God either before , during, or after their human existence.

People might claim that the trinity is one God but the very term trinity contradicts the entire teaching of the OT, the law and the prophets that there is only One God who has no equal.

The assertion that God could be a human being is a lie of a person who secretly aspires to be worshipped as a god by other human beings...

This is a great evil.

 

[ding]

anyone who says that Jesus claimed to be God might as well say that Jesus was insane.

Or he was exactly who he said he was.

He didn’t give you the option you are taking. He only gave us two options and everything recorded in scripture and tradition tells us that he is fully human and fully God.

 

[Picaro]

anyone who says that Jesus claimed to be God might as well say that Jesus was insane.

Or he was exactly who he said he was.

He didn’t give you the option you are taking. He only gave us two options and everything recorded in scripture and tradition tells us that he is fully human and fully God.

Well, there are simply many anthropomorphic references to God beginning in Genesis and through many more to see that is the case, along with the the references in the plural as well as personal. AS I said I don't get why it's a problem.

 

[hobelim]

anyone who says that Jesus claimed to be God might as well say that Jesus was insane.

Or he was exactly who he said he was.

He didn’t give you the option you are taking. He only gave us two options and everything recorded in scripture and tradition tells us that he is fully human and fully God.

Well, there are simply many anthropomorphic references to God beginning in Genesis and through many more to see that is the case, along with the the references in the plural as well as personal. AS I said I don't get why it's a problem.

The truth is that there is only one unequalled God who is incorporeal. There is no other God in existence either equal to, above or below him.

This precludes the possibility of a coequal trinity that became a human being.

There never was and never will be a human being that was God or became God either before during or after their human existence.

I don't get why you don't get it.

 

[ding]

anyone who says that Jesus claimed to be God might as well say that Jesus was insane.

Or he was exactly who he said he was.

He didn’t give you the option you are taking. He only gave us two options and everything recorded in scripture and tradition tells us that he is fully human and fully God.

Well, there are simply many anthropomorphic references to God beginning in Genesis and through many more to see that is the case, along with the the references in the plural as well as personal. AS I said I don't get why it's a problem.

I think you are preaching to the choir. The Trinity is not a relationship to be solved. It is a relationship to be entered into.

 

[ding]

anyone who says that Jesus claimed to be God might as well say that Jesus was insane.

Or he was exactly who he said he was.

He didn’t give you the option you are taking. He only gave us two options and everything recorded in scripture and tradition tells us that he is fully human and fully God.

Well, there are simply many anthropomorphic references to God beginning in Genesis and through many more to see that is the case, along with the the references in the plural as well as personal. AS I said I don't get why it's a problem.

The truth is that there is only one unequalled God who is incorporeal. There is no other God in existence either equal to, above or below him.

This precludes the possibility of a coequal trinity that became a human being.

There never was and never will be a human being that was God or became God either before during or after their human existence.

I don't get why you don't get it.

You trying to understand the nature or God is like a two dimensional being trying to understand a three dimensional being.

 

[hobelim]

anyone who says that Jesus claimed to be God might as well say that Jesus was insane.

Or he was exactly who he said he was.

He didn’t give you the option you are taking. He only gave us two options and everything recorded in scripture and tradition tells us that he is fully human and fully God.

Well, there are simply many anthropomorphic references to God beginning in Genesis and through many more to see that is the case, along with the the references in the plural as well as personal. AS I said I don't get why it's a problem.

The truth is that there is only one unequalled God who is incorporeal. There is no other God in existence either equal to, above or below him.

This precludes the possibility of a coequal trinity that became a human being.

There never was and never will be a human being that was God or became God either before during or after their human existence.

I don't get why you don't get it.

You trying to understand the nature or God is like a two dimensional being trying to understand a three dimensional being.

Speak for yourself.

You read in scripture about other people who heard from God as a living being whose existence is absolute, not as a philosophical construct or an enumeration of attributes.

Thats like reading about other people being kicked by a horse which is nothing whatever like being kicked by a horse and then you have the audacity to claim to know all about a God that you do not know based on the described experiences of other people which is simply a lie.

I speak about God from the experience of being in his actual presence and have demonstrated the proof of it.

To enter into a relationship with a belief about a triune God that does not correspond to any real living being ever in existence is entering into a self aggrandizing descent into madness, a painfully slow descent into oblivion.

You speak from ignorance about a God that you have never seen or heard a word from in your entire life and have demonstrated the proof of that.

The more you lie in the name of God the deeper you will be digging your own grave.

So go to a priest and make your confessions and then defiantly practice idolatry, perjure yourself, and mislead other people to show God just how sorry you are for your sins.

You are a very stupid man.


"They pay no heed to the real hidden meaning of things, but divert themselves instead with all kinds of iniquitous, arcane lore. They do not know the hidden meaning of what is actually taking place, nor have they ever understood the lessons of the past. Consequently, they have no knowledge of what is coming upon them and have done nothing to save their souls from the deeper implications of present events."

 

[ding]

anyone who says that Jesus claimed to be God might as well say that Jesus was insane.

Or he was exactly who he said he was.

He didn’t give you the option you are taking. He only gave us two options and everything recorded in scripture and tradition tells us that he is fully human and fully God.

Well, there are simply many anthropomorphic references to God beginning in Genesis and through many more to see that is the case, along with the the references in the plural as well as personal. AS I said I don't get why it's a problem.

The truth is that there is only one unequalled God who is incorporeal. There is no other God in existence either equal to, above or below him.

This precludes the possibility of a coequal trinity that became a human being.

There never was and never will be a human being that was God or became God either before during or after their human existence.

I don't get why you don't get it.

You trying to understand the nature or God is like a two dimensional being trying to understand a three dimensional being.

Speak for yourself.

You read in scripture about other people who heard from God as a living being whose existence is absolute, not as a philosophical construct or an enumeration of attributes.

Thats like reading about other people being kicked by a horse which is nothing whatever like being kicked by a horse and then you have the audacity to claim to know all about a God that you do not know based on the described experiences of other people which is simply a lie.

I speak about God from the experience of being in his actual presence and have demonstrated the proof of it.

To enter into a relationship with a belief about a triune God that does not correspond to any real living being ever in existence is entering into a self aggrandizing descent into madness, a painfully slow descent into oblivion.

You speak from ignorance about a God that you have never seen or heard a word from in your entire life and have demonstrated the proof of that.

The more you lie in the name of God the deeper you will be digging your own grave.

So go to a priest and make your confessions and then defiantly practice idolatry, perjure yourself, and mislead other people to show God just how sorry you are for your sins.

You are a very stupid man.


"They pay no heed to the real hidden meaning of things, but divert themselves instead with all kinds of iniquitous, arcane lore. They do not know the hidden meaning of what is actually taking place, nor have they ever understood the lessons of the past. Consequently, they have no knowledge of what is coming upon them and have done nothing to save their souls from the deeper implications of present events."

No. I speak from an understanding of time and space. It is not possible for three dimensional beings to comprehend a multi-dimensional being. The closest we can come is the mystery of the Trinity which has been revealed to us through Christianity and Judaism; the only revealed religion.

The trinity is not a mystery to be solved, it is a relationship to be entered into.

 

[Taz]

Or he was exactly who he said he was.

He didn’t give you the option you are taking. He only gave us two options and everything recorded in scripture and tradition tells us that he is fully human and fully God.

Well, there are simply many anthropomorphic references to God beginning in Genesis and through many more to see that is the case, along with the the references in the plural as well as personal. AS I said I don't get why it's a problem.

The truth is that there is only one unequalled God who is incorporeal. There is no other God in existence either equal to, above or below him.

This precludes the possibility of a coequal trinity that became a human being.

There never was and never will be a human being that was God or became God either before during or after their human existence.

I don't get why you don't get it.

You trying to understand the nature or God is like a two dimensional being trying to understand a three dimensional being.

Speak for yourself.

You read in scripture about other people who heard from God as a living being whose existence is absolute, not as a philosophical construct or an enumeration of attributes.

Thats like reading about other people being kicked by a horse which is nothing whatever like being kicked by a horse and then you have the audacity to claim to know all about a God that you do not know based on the described experiences of other people which is simply a lie.

I speak about God from the experience of being in his actual presence and have demonstrated the proof of it.

To enter into a relationship with a belief about a triune God that does not correspond to any real living being ever in existence is entering into a self aggrandizing descent into madness, a painfully slow descent into oblivion.

You speak from ignorance about a God that you have never seen or heard a word from in your entire life and have demonstrated the proof of that.

The more you lie in the name of God the deeper you will be digging your own grave.

So go to a priest and make your confessions and then defiantly practice idolatry, perjure yourself, and mislead other people to show God just how sorry you are for your sins.

You are a very stupid man.


"They pay no heed to the real hidden meaning of things, but divert themselves instead with all kinds of iniquitous, arcane lore. They do not know the hidden meaning of what is actually taking place, nor have they ever understood the lessons of the past. Consequently, they have no knowledge of what is coming upon them and have done nothing to save their souls from the deeper implications of present events."

No. I speak from an understanding of time and space. It is not possible for three dimensional beings to comprehend a multi-dimensional being. The closest we can come is the mystery of the Trinity which has been revealed to us through Christianity and Judaism; the only revealed religion.

The trinity is not a mystery to be solved, it is a relationship to be entered into.

So how can you enter into a relationship with something you don't understand? If you don't understand it, how do you know that you're in a relationship with it?

 

[hobelim]

Or he was exactly who he said he was.

He didn’t give you the option you are taking. He only gave us two options and everything recorded in scripture and tradition tells us that he is fully human and fully God.

Well, there are simply many anthropomorphic references to God beginning in Genesis and through many more to see that is the case, along with the the references in the plural as well as personal. AS I said I don't get why it's a problem.

The truth is that there is only one unequalled God who is incorporeal. There is no other God in existence either equal to, above or below him.

This precludes the possibility of a coequal trinity that became a human being.

There never was and never will be a human being that was God or became God either before during or after their human existence.

I don't get why you don't get it.

You trying to understand the nature or God is like a two dimensional being trying to understand a three dimensional being.

Speak for yourself.

You read in scripture about other people who heard from God as a living being whose existence is absolute, not as a philosophical construct or an enumeration of attributes.

Thats like reading about other people being kicked by a horse which is nothing whatever like being kicked by a horse and then you have the audacity to claim to know all about a God that you do not know based on the described experiences of other people which is simply a lie.

I speak about God from the experience of being in his actual presence and have demonstrated the proof of it.

To enter into a relationship with a belief about a triune God that does not correspond to any real living being ever in existence is entering into a self aggrandizing descent into madness, a painfully slow descent into oblivion.

You speak from ignorance about a God that you have never seen or heard a word from in your entire life and have demonstrated the proof of that.

The more you lie in the name of God the deeper you will be digging your own grave.

So go to a priest and make your confessions and then defiantly practice idolatry, perjure yourself, and mislead other people to show God just how sorry you are for your sins.

You are a very stupid man.


"They pay no heed to the real hidden meaning of things, but divert themselves instead with all kinds of iniquitous, arcane lore. They do not know the hidden meaning of what is actually taking place, nor have they ever understood the lessons of the past. Consequently, they have no knowledge of what is coming upon them and have done nothing to save their souls from the deeper implications of present events."

No. I speak from an understanding of time and space. It is not possible for three dimensional beings to comprehend a multi-dimensional being. The closest we can come is the mystery of the Trinity which has been revealed to us through Christianity and Judaism; the only revealed religion.

The trinity is not a mystery to be solved, it is a relationship to be entered into.

Judaism has absolutely nothing to do with your version of Christianity. You don't know anything about time or space. What you think you know about time and space does not equal knowledge of God and even that has been taken away. You can thank me some other time.

The trinity is not a relationship to be entered into it is a brazen satanic lie to be rejected. There is nothing mysterious about it. Nothing.

You say its impossible to know God. This too is a satanic lie and you are calling Jesus a liar.


"This is eternal life; to KNOW thee who alone art truly God." John 17:3

 

[Taz]

Well, there are simply many anthropomorphic references to God beginning in Genesis and through many more to see that is the case, along with the the references in the plural as well as personal. AS I said I don't get why it's a problem.

The truth is that there is only one unequalled God who is incorporeal. There is no other God in existence either equal to, above or below him.

This precludes the possibility of a coequal trinity that became a human being.

There never was and never will be a human being that was God or became God either before during or after their human existence.

I don't get why you don't get it.

You trying to understand the nature or God is like a two dimensional being trying to understand a three dimensional being.

Speak for yourself.

You read in scripture about other people who heard from God as a living being whose existence is absolute, not as a philosophical construct or an enumeration of attributes.

Thats like reading about other people being kicked by a horse which is nothing whatever like being kicked by a horse and then you have the audacity to claim to know all about a God that you do not know based on the described experiences of other people which is simply a lie.

I speak about God from the experience of being in his actual presence and have demonstrated the proof of it.

To enter into a relationship with a belief about a triune God that does not correspond to any real living being ever in existence is entering into a self aggrandizing descent into madness, a painfully slow descent into oblivion.

You speak from ignorance about a God that you have never seen or heard a word from in your entire life and have demonstrated the proof of that.

The more you lie in the name of God the deeper you will be digging your own grave.

So go to a priest and make your confessions and then defiantly practice idolatry, perjure yourself, and mislead other people to show God just how sorry you are for your sins.

You are a very stupid man.


"They pay no heed to the real hidden meaning of things, but divert themselves instead with all kinds of iniquitous, arcane lore. They do not know the hidden meaning of what is actually taking place, nor have they ever understood the lessons of the past. Consequently, they have no knowledge of what is coming upon them and have done nothing to save their souls from the deeper implications of present events."

No. I speak from an understanding of time and space. It is not possible for three dimensional beings to comprehend a multi-dimensional being. The closest we can come is the mystery of the Trinity which has been revealed to us through Christianity and Judaism; the only revealed religion.

The trinity is not a mystery to be solved, it is a relationship to be entered into.

Judaism has absolutely nothing to do with your version of Christianity. You don't know anything about time or space. What you think you know about time and space does not equal knowledge of God and even that has been taken away. You can thank me some other time.

The trinity is not a relationship to be entered into it is a brazen satanic lie to be rejected. There is nothing mysterious about it. Nothing.

You say its impossible to know God. This too is a satanic lie and you are calling Jesus a liar.


"This is eternal life; to KNOW thee who alone art truly God." John 17:3

Mr Cherry-picker is at it again. Doesn't believe in Genesis, but quotes John. Hmmmm.

 

[ding]

Well, there are simply many anthropomorphic references to God beginning in Genesis and through many more to see that is the case, along with the the references in the plural as well as personal. AS I said I don't get why it's a problem.

The truth is that there is only one unequalled God who is incorporeal. There is no other God in existence either equal to, above or below him.

This precludes the possibility of a coequal trinity that became a human being.

There never was and never will be a human being that was God or became God either before during or after their human existence.

I don't get why you don't get it.

You trying to understand the nature or God is like a two dimensional being trying to understand a three dimensional being.

Speak for yourself.

You read in scripture about other people who heard from God as a living being whose existence is absolute, not as a philosophical construct or an enumeration of attributes.

Thats like reading about other people being kicked by a horse which is nothing whatever like being kicked by a horse and then you have the audacity to claim to know all about a God that you do not know based on the described experiences of other people which is simply a lie.

I speak about God from the experience of being in his actual presence and have demonstrated the proof of it.

To enter into a relationship with a belief about a triune God that does not correspond to any real living being ever in existence is entering into a self aggrandizing descent into madness, a painfully slow descent into oblivion.

You speak from ignorance about a God that you have never seen or heard a word from in your entire life and have demonstrated the proof of that.

The more you lie in the name of God the deeper you will be digging your own grave.

So go to a priest and make your confessions and then defiantly practice idolatry, perjure yourself, and mislead other people to show God just how sorry you are for your sins.

You are a very stupid man.


"They pay no heed to the real hidden meaning of things, but divert themselves instead with all kinds of iniquitous, arcane lore. They do not know the hidden meaning of what is actually taking place, nor have they ever understood the lessons of the past. Consequently, they have no knowledge of what is coming upon them and have done nothing to save their souls from the deeper implications of present events."

No. I speak from an understanding of time and space. It is not possible for three dimensional beings to comprehend a multi-dimensional being. The closest we can come is the mystery of the Trinity which has been revealed to us through Christianity and Judaism; the only revealed religion.

The trinity is not a mystery to be solved, it is a relationship to be entered into.

So how can you enter into a relationship with something you don't understand? If you don't understand it, how do you know that you're in a relationship with it?

You don't have to know everything about something to experience it, Taz. Dogs don't understand humans but they enter into relationships with them, right?

 

[ding]

Well, there are simply many anthropomorphic references to God beginning in Genesis and through many more to see that is the case, along with the the references in the plural as well as personal. AS I said I don't get why it's a problem.

The truth is that there is only one unequalled God who is incorporeal. There is no other God in existence either equal to, above or below him.

This precludes the possibility of a coequal trinity that became a human being.

There never was and never will be a human being that was God or became God either before during or after their human existence.

I don't get why you don't get it.

You trying to understand the nature or God is like a two dimensional being trying to understand a three dimensional being.

Speak for yourself.

You read in scripture about other people who heard from God as a living being whose existence is absolute, not as a philosophical construct or an enumeration of attributes.

Thats like reading about other people being kicked by a horse which is nothing whatever like being kicked by a horse and then you have the audacity to claim to know all about a God that you do not know based on the described experiences of other people which is simply a lie.

I speak about God from the experience of being in his actual presence and have demonstrated the proof of it.

To enter into a relationship with a belief about a triune God that does not correspond to any real living being ever in existence is entering into a self aggrandizing descent into madness, a painfully slow descent into oblivion.

You speak from ignorance about a God that you have never seen or heard a word from in your entire life and have demonstrated the proof of that.

The more you lie in the name of God the deeper you will be digging your own grave.

So go to a priest and make your confessions and then defiantly practice idolatry, perjure yourself, and mislead other people to show God just how sorry you are for your sins.

You are a very stupid man.


"They pay no heed to the real hidden meaning of things, but divert themselves instead with all kinds of iniquitous, arcane lore. They do not know the hidden meaning of what is actually taking place, nor have they ever understood the lessons of the past. Consequently, they have no knowledge of what is coming upon them and have done nothing to save their souls from the deeper implications of present events."

No. I speak from an understanding of time and space. It is not possible for three dimensional beings to comprehend a multi-dimensional being. The closest we can come is the mystery of the Trinity which has been revealed to us through Christianity and Judaism; the only revealed religion.

The trinity is not a mystery to be solved, it is a relationship to be entered into.

Judaism has absolutely nothing to do with your version of Christianity. You don't know anything about time or space. What you think you know about time and space does not equal knowledge of God and even that has been taken away. You can thank me some other time.

The trinity is not a relationship to be entered into it is a brazen satanic lie to be rejected. There is nothing mysterious about it. Nothing.

You say its impossible to know God. This too is a satanic lie and you are calling Jesus a liar.


"This is eternal life; to KNOW thee who alone art truly God." John 17:3

Christianity is effectively a sect of Judaism.

I know quite a lot about the evolution of space and time. I know it had a beginning and God created it through the laws of nature. I know that everything that has unfolded has unfolded according to the laws of nature which existed before space and time itself. I know that the universe is an intelligence creating machine and that we were created in the image of God in the sense that we are beings that know and create.

I know that we can learn quite a lot about God's invisible attributes by studying what he has created. For instance I know that everything he created is good because evil is not extant. Evil is like cold and darkness, it is the absence of something else. In this case, good.

The Trinity is absolutely a relationship to be entered into. It is how we experience the many dimensions of God himself. Since you have never done that, you will never know. I don't have that problem.

I didn't say you can't know God. You can... by entering into a relationship with the Trinity.

I said, you can't understand God's nature. That would be like an ant trying to understand the nature of human beings.

 

[BreezeWood]

Early Christians did not think that Jesus was God or that God was present in a matzo.


He who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself.

Sure they did.

You have to be a JW.

You are just wrong on both counts.

No first century dedicated Jew would have ever believed that God became a human being for obvious reasons, never mind that Jesus never claimed such a thing. His enemies accused him of claiming to be God to frame a charge of blasphemy against him so that people would reject anything he taught out of hand because they were publicly humiliated by his revelation.

JW all the way. No one hates the Catholics as much as them.

No ding dong.

How many time do I have to tell you that I do not follow any religion?

Short attention span or what?

Wrong, JW boy.

Jn. 1:18
Rom. 9:5
Titus 2:13
Jn. 20:28
Rom 10:9; 1 Cor 1:7
Col 1:16
Isa. 44:6
Rev. 22:13
Jn. 8:58
Ex. 3:14
Jn 20:28-29
Jn. 1:14

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Jn. 1:18
Rom. 9:5
Titus 2:13
Jn. 20:28
Rom 10:9; 1 Cor 1:7
Col 1:16
Isa. 44:6
Rev. 22:13
Jn. 8:58
Ex. 3:14
Jn 20:28-29
Jn. 1:14


the false religion, all are 4th century forgeries. nothing etched in stone by the primary participant.

 

[Picaro]

Christianity is effectively a sect of Judaism..

Indeed, very much so. And, very much tied to the Torah as well. The pattern of Jesus's ministry follows it.

 

[Picaro]

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the false religion, all are 4th century forgeries. nothing etched in stone by the primary participant.

lol rubbish.

Why do these angry mentally ill sexual fetishists always think they can get away with such loony garbage as this laughable nonsense? Is it the chronic drug use and mental abuse they heap on each other, or is just good old fashioned idiocy, that convinces these tards they can school Christians and /or scholars on what their theology is?

 

[BreezeWood]

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the false religion, all are 4th century forgeries. nothing etched in stone by the primary participant.

lol rubbish.

Why do these angry mentally ill sexual fetishists always think they can get away with such loony garbage as this laughable nonsense? Is it the chronic drug use and mental abuse they heap on each other, or is just good old fashioned idiocy, that convinces these tards they can school Christians and /or scholars on what their theology is?

.

lol rubbish.

Why do these angry mentally ill sexual fetishists always think they can get away with such loony garbage as this laughable nonsense? Is it the chronic drug use and mental abuse they heap on each other, or is just good old fashioned idiocy, that convinces these tards they can school Christians and /or scholars on what their theology is?

nothing etched in stone by the primary participant.

on what their theology is ... ?


the recorded history of persecution and victimization of the innocent conducted by the three desert religions is enough to dispel whatever authenticity they might contain for the debauchery they have inflicted.

the spoken religion of Antiquity is what will endure to the end.