Blowing up ID’iot creationism.

[DukeU]

No, I mainly focused on what's NOT true.

That part is easier.

Any logician or mathematician or philosopher will tell you that absolute truth doesn't exist.

Is that true?

What leaders?

Any logician or mathematician or philosopher.

You're being thick.

Why are you talking about philosophy in a thread pertaining to science?

None of that is true, there is not truth remember?

 

[DukeU]

Not only is that ^ false, but the claim that absolute truth doesn't exist is demonstrably self-defeating and illogical.

For the statement "absolute truth doesn't exist" to be true, (actually true, universally true) the statement itself would have to be an absolute truth. And if that statement is an absolute truth, then it is self-defeating, or self-contradictory.

I see you have a lot to learn.

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[buttercup]

Horseshit. You're full of it.

Not at all. Think about it. I mean, don't just take a one second glance at it, actually think about it.

 

[buttercup]

None of that is true, there is not truth remember?

I don't think it has occurred to him yet that by his own admission, nothing he is saying is actually true, since according to him actual truth doesn't even exist. lol

 

[scruffy]

Is that true?

Relatively speaking, yes.

For scientific theories, certainly.

Any logician or mathematician or philosopher.




None of that is true, there is not truth remember?

You're being an idiot.

You never took elementary logic in school?

If I write down

A

it's not called truth, it's called a proposition.

The math around it is called propositional calculus.

Or if you prefer, you can reference Boolean algebra, which also has propositions and axioms. Like transitivity, associativity, commutativity, things like that.

For set theory, there is the axiom of choice, which completely changes the construction of the math.

Maybe you should stop talking and start reading.

 

[scruffy]

I don't think it has occurred to him yet that by his own admission, nothing he is saying is actually true, since according to him actual truth doesn't even exist. lol

You're being an idiot.

Go learn some math.

 

[buttercup]

You're being an idiot.

Go learn some math.

You're projecting, in every reply. Again, think about what you're saying. You clearly haven't given it much thought.

 

[scruffy]

You're projecting, in every reply. Again, think about what you're saying. You clearly haven't given it much thought.

Fine - then give us an example of absolute truth.

Let's hear it.

 

[DukeU]

Relatively speaking, yes.

For scientific theories, certainly.



You're being an idiot.

You never took elementary logic in school?

If I write down

A

it's not called truth, it's called a proposition.

The math around it is called propositional calculus.

Or if you prefer, you can reference Boolean algebra, which also has propositions and axioms. Like transitivity, associativity, commutativity, things like that.

For set theory, there is the axiom of choice, which completely changes the construction of the math.

Maybe you should stop talking and start reading.

There are no absolutes!


Are you absolutely sure?

 

[scruffy]

There are no absolutes!


Are you absolutely sure?

See post # 48

 

[buttercup]

Fine - then give us an example of absolute truth.

Let's hear it.

1 + 1 = 2.

 

[DukeU]

See post # 48

I've seen enough to know you don't know what you're saying is ignorant.

You might as well stop speaking, you're wasting your time with truth statements about there are no absolutes.

 

[toobfreak]

I don’t see that belief in supernatural creation answers anything. That aside, no one is denigrating belief in any god.

Actually, if you were to study modern cosmology and quantum theory, it keeps drawing closer and closer to the inevitable conclusions of many religions, that the universe began in an unimaginable act of spontaneous creation and that there had to be a supreme conscious mind behind the creation of finite consciousness with a cosmic design, rather than the conscious mind and perfect design of the universe all somehow sprung from just a million million accidental collisions of random dust particles.

 

[scruffy]

1 + 1 = 2.

See?

You're completely ignorant.

Go learn some math.

In the group Z\1, 1+1=0 or 1+1=1 depending on how you set up your ring.

The world is nowhere near as cut and dried as you seem to believe.

 

[scruffy]

I've seen enough to know you don't know what you're saying is ignorant.

You might as well stop speaking, you're wasting your time with truth statements about there are no absolutes.

lol

That really tweaks the creationist beak, doesn't it?

Still waiting for an example of absolute truth.

Come on, this should be easy for you.

 

[buttercup]

See?

You're completely ignorant.

Go learn some math.

In the group Z\1, 1+1=0 or 1+1=1 depending on how you set up your ring.

The world is nowhere near as cut and dried as you seem to believe.

Claiming to be wise, they became fools

Romans 1:22


^ that scripture has your name all over it.

 

[DukeU]

lol

That really tweaks the creationist beak, doesn't it?

Still waiting for an example of absolute truth.

Come on, this should be easy for you.

Water is wet.

 

[scruffy]

Claiming to be wise, they became fools

Romans 1:22


^ that scripture has your name all over it.

Except I know math, and you don't.

 

[buttercup]

Water is wet.

It's clear that he's going to try to rationalize everything away, trying so hard to deny truth. It's actually very sad. Some atheists try so hard to deny truth... I think it really comes down to some people simply not wanting to be accountable for their actions, their words, their life, etc. They want to continue being their own god. I get it. I was there once, myself.

 

[scruffy]

Water is wet.

Closer.

But what happens if I heat it to 100 degrees C and let it evaporate into the sky?

Is it still wet?

How about if I freeze it down to 3 degrees K, is it still wet?

How about if I mix it with 5x its volume of polyacrylate, is it still wet?