Blacks have been voting for Dems for over a hundred years!

[g5000]

Blacks have a very short memory on who was responsible for Jim Crow laws


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No, blacks remember quite well it was right wing reactionaries who were responsible.

Yeah, LBJ was a right wing reactionary. LMAO


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LBJ was whatever got him ahead. Just like Trump.

Trump was a "Bush Lied, People Died", pro-abortion, pro-Clinton, anti-war, Impeach Bush, Assault Weapons Ban, cut-and-run Democrat just a few years ago.

LBJ and Trump are opportunists. World class hucksters.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Again which Democrat was more conservative than the republican in a presidential election?

As I mentioned earlier, none of the Democratic candidates were from the South.

In fact, John Nance Garner came the closest to snagging the nomination in 1940. He was from Texas, and was very conservative. He was FDR's vice president.

Garner was sick of FDR's liberal policies and rose to challenge him in 1940. He nearly pulled it off. But the stigma of being from the racist South did him in.

Because he challenged FDR, he was replaced as vice president by Henry Wallace.

That has nothing to do with it.

But there was Jimmy Carter...he was progressive and the south voted for him...gasp....in 1976....with all those racists....how can it be????
you said the republicans were more liberal, they were not..that is not a true statement
you have a problem, because conservatism was outside the south and in the republican part and was very pro civil rights. the racists never switched in large numbers....very few infact.
Those democrats voted for progressive democratic presidential candidates and were much more progressive than you think. Huey P Long in LA was progressive for example. Al Gore's father in TN.....

 

[g5000]

I have been thinking a lot the past couple years about the similarities between LBJ and Trump.

The only way civil rights legislation was going to be able to break the Southern conservative chokehold was through a Southern Democratic chameleon like LBJ.

Just so, the only way single payer healthcare is going to be able to break the conservative chokehold is through a Republican chameleon like Donald Trump.

I am convinced that if Donald Trump is given a Democratic Congress this year, his number one domestic agenda item will be the achievement of single payer healthcare.

 

[g5000]

Again which Democrat was more conservative than the republican in a presidential election?

As I mentioned earlier, none of the Democratic candidates were from the South.

In fact, John Nance Garner came the closest to snagging the nomination in 1940. He was from Texas, and was very conservative. He was FDR's vice president.

Garner was sick of FDR's liberal policies and rose to challenge him in 1940. He nearly pulled it off. But the stigma of being from the racist South did him in.

Because he challenged FDR, he was replaced as vice president by Henry Wallace.

That has nothing to do with it.
you said the republicans were more liberal,

I never said that.

In fact, I plainly stated, at least TWICE, that each party had an equal mix of liberals and conservatives.

Your statements are built on a false premise.

 

[mudwhistle]

Did you all hear Trump say this at his last rally? Another brilliant tag line from our dear leader
#clueless

So what.
I'm still looking for those 57 states.

 

[Slade3200]

Did you all hear Trump say this at his last rally? Another brilliant tag line from our dear leader
#clueless

Which of Obama's 57 states did he say that in?

I get it we all mess up at times... the difference between stating the wrong number and criticizing the way an oppressed race was voting is rather large

well expect now you're kinda playing games so you can say trump said something stupid.

on paper have blacks had the right to vote since 1870?
yes.
was trump correct in what he said?
yes.
has reality made exercising that amendment difficult?
yes.
1965 was done to ensure that the 1870 actions were enforced.

were ALL BLACKS denied voting between 1870 to 1965? you seem to be saying, in order to bash trump, that no black person was legally able to vote before 1965.

that wouldn't be very accurate from what i can tell.

Fair critique, I’m not saying that none could vote. There were a small percentage that could vote and a large percentage restricted by law, which is why critiquing their voting history during that time seems both tone deaf and disingenuous as they didn’t exactly have a fair and free voice during that time. That very significant fact seems glossed over to make a cheap dig on blacks and the democrats.

I hear a sound bite from Trumps rally that made me laugh and shake my head at how oblivious he is about certain issues and I posted about it. In a different thread I also gave Trump kudos for the medical bill he signed yesterday, FYI.

It is just very interesting to me that in the heat of all this controversy with race going on that careless statements like these get made.

 

[OKTexas]

We see racist posts on this forum on a daily basis from far right wingers, yet you NEVER see a person claiming to be a right winger slapping them down for it.

And that's all you need to know about which party is the racist party today, boys and girls.

The blacks who they constantly attack for being stupid are smarter than these idiots who cling desperately to the pathetic meme about LBJ Democrats from over half a century ago.

The blacks know which party hates them today, and so does everyone else.

You're just not paying attention, I've called out many of the racist on this board. But I must admit, since I know who they are, I don't bother to read their threads anymore.


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[iceberg]

Did you all hear Trump say this at his last rally? Another brilliant tag line from our dear leader
#clueless

Which of Obama's 57 states did he say that in?

I get it we all mess up at times... the difference between stating the wrong number and criticizing the way an oppressed race was voting is rather large

well expect now you're kinda playing games so you can say trump said something stupid.

on paper have blacks had the right to vote since 1870?
yes.
was trump correct in what he said?
yes.
has reality made exercising that amendment difficult?
yes.
1965 was done to ensure that the 1870 actions were enforced.

were ALL BLACKS denied voting between 1870 to 1965? you seem to be saying, in order to bash trump, that no black person was legally able to vote before 1965.

that wouldn't be very accurate from what i can tell.

Fair critique, I’m not saying that none could vote. There were a small percentage that could vote and a large percentage restricted by law, which is why critiquing their voting history during that time seems both tone deaf and disingenuous as they didn’t exactly have a fair and free voice during that time. That very significant fact seems glossed over to make a cheap dig on blacks and the democrats.

I hear a sound bite from Trumps rally that made me laugh and shake my head at how oblivious he is about certain issues and I posted about it. In a different thread I also gave Trump kudos for the medical bill he signed yesterday, FYI.

It is just very interesting to me that in the heat of all this controversy with race going on that careless statements like these get made.

if true, it's not careless is it?

couldn't the controversy be that we nitpick so much that we find things to get mad at cause we expect to be mad at someone?

 

[g5000]

As long as people like Trump and McConnell are at the helm of the GOP, blacks will vote Democratic for the next 100 years.

 

[Slade3200]

Did you all hear Trump say this at his last rally? Another brilliant tag line from our dear leader
#clueless

When did they start voting democrat?

Well they didn’t receive the right to vote until 1965 so it would be sometime after that... right?

#Clueless!!

Yeah, I should have taken more time with that statement. I’ve since explained it

 

[jc456]

Did you all hear Trump say this at his last rally? Another brilliant tag line from our dear leader
#clueless

When did they start voting democrat?

Well they didn’t receive the right to vote until 1965 so it would be sometime after that... right?

You're not serious...…
The 15th amendment gives them the right, passed by republicans in the 1860s.

ah shit, there you go educating a poor leftist again.

 

[jc456]

Did you all hear Trump say this at his last rally? Another brilliant tag line from our dear leader
#clueless

When did they start voting democrat?

Well they didn’t receive the right to vote until 1965 so it would be sometime after that... right?

#Clueless!!

Yeah, I should have taken more time with that statement. I’ve since explained it

only a leftist no apology, just an aw-shit, look what I did. So kill the thread right?

 

[g5000]

couldn't the controversy be that we nitpick so much that we find things to get mad at cause we expect to be mad at someone?

There are people out there who want us at each others' throats.

Divide, conquer, and plunder.

 

[Slade3200]

All this bullshit about LJB and Klan Democrats from over 50 years ago is a giant smokescreen attempting to conceal the fact that it is the GOP today which contains the bulk of the racists.

Everyone knows this.

Who called black "super predators"?

Who called Latinos "needy"?

Funny you bring up the super predators. If your interpret Clinton’s statement to be towards all blacks then you’d have to consider Trumps “rapists and murders” and “animals” statement to be directed towards all Mexicans and immigrants, right? Is that the case?

 

[jc456]

That amendment was in 1870 not 1860 and a few years after it passed blacks were striped of their citizenship rights and rights to vote by southern state governments. It wasn’t until the civil rights act of 1965 that banned those discriminatory laws. But who cares about history, right?

Wrong man, blacks voted in the inbetween years, if they could jump through the hoops, and who put up those barriers? hint:NOT conservative republicans

Maybe not republicans but yes conservatives. Efforts to free slaves and progress their rights was a Liberal effort by definition. And the actions by the southern states, and yes southern Democrats, and Jim Crow laws were not a result of the way blacks were voting. Like I said a few posts ago, that is completely tone deaf

Wrong, we've been over this
there were conservatives in lincolns time. Watch the movie
if you don't like that
then what did Horace Greeley run as and what year? Who did he run against? What party were they?
And of course let me know the last democrat more conservative than the republican for President?

I think most republicans were more Liberal than their democratic counter parts back in Lincoln’s day. Southern democrats were absolutely conservative during Jim Crow. Those roles flip flopped during the mid 1900s

You are wrong, that's the point. It is propaganda
Again which Democrat was more conservative than the republican in a presidential election?
Guys they talked about the republicans as a conservative party during mckinley
who was that conservative faction? Rockerfeller, Carnegie and all the captains of industry, but it was there during Lincolns time.

no it's a lie. the thread should be shut down. I thought this place had morals. Lying hacks to make a point isn't allowed.

 

[jc456]

all this support and the Democrats haven't done one fkn thing for them

Dems did three things for blacks:

Public schools
Public housing
Replaced the male head of household with a government check

Keeps blacks in a cycle of dependence and poverty so they mush vote for the democrats

The LBJ rule. And why Bill Cosby was arrested.

 

[OKTexas]

Blacks have been eligible to vote for 148 years, I'm sure some have been voting for commiecrats during that time.


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Good for you, I’m sure you’d also be cheering him on if you heard him say that at his rally. That shit just makes me laugh in a sad kind of way. #pathetic

I've got the 15th Amendment, passed in Feb 1870, you?


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We playing word games now? Do you not recognize the barriers that were in place from 1870s - 1965. Do you not understand my point or do I need to spell it out for you?

No word games, you tried to deride me for pointing out a fact. Blacks have a very short memory on who was responsible for Jim Crow laws, and who pushed the VRA across the finish line in spite of commiecrat opposition. Hell racist Woodrow Wilson got massive black support for his time, it was only about 7% but that was big back then. BTW that was the 1912 election, more than 100 years ago.

President Woodrow Wilson: Pro-Segregationist Democrat--African-Americans & the Presidency


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I did some digging and found that there were approx 10 million blacks living in America in 1912 (year of Woodrow’s election) and at that time there were about 600k who were eligable to vote. Couldn’t find stats for how many actually voted or who they voted for.

i'm going by a couple of articles I read, I posted a link to one of them.


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[Slade3200]

Good for you, I’m sure you’d also be cheering him on if you heard him say that at his rally. That shit just makes me laugh in a sad kind of way. #pathetic

I've got the 15th Amendment, passed in Feb 1870, you?


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We playing word games now? Do you not recognize the barriers that were in place from 1870s - 1965. Do you not understand my point or do I need to spell it out for you?

No word games, you tried to deride me for pointing out a fact. Blacks have a very short memory on who was responsible for Jim Crow laws, and who pushed the VRA across the finish line in spite of commiecrat opposition. Hell racist Woodrow Wilson got massive black support for his time, it was only about 7% but that was big back then. BTW that was the 1912 election, more than 100 years ago.

President Woodrow Wilson: Pro-Segregationist Democrat--African-Americans & the Presidency


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I did some digging and found that there were approx 10 million blacks living in America in 1912 (year of Woodrow’s election) and at that time there were about 600k who were elibable to vote. Couldn’t find stats for how many actually voted or who they voted for.

so trump was correct.

not absolute but correct.

correct?

technically there have been blacks voting for Dems for over 100 years, so that part is correct. But the entire statement is completely tone deaf and irresponsible considering the state of our union and the circumstances surrounding those votes until 1965. To reference that time period as a critique to their voting record for a political demonization sound bite is absurd in my opinion.

 

[jc456]

That amendment was in 1870 not 1860 and a few years after it passed blacks were striped of their citizenship rights and rights to vote by southern state governments. It wasn’t until the civil rights act of 1965 that banned those discriminatory laws. But who cares about history, right?

Wrong man, blacks voted in the inbetween years, if they could jump through the hoops, and who put up those barriers? hint:NOT conservative republicans

Maybe not republicans but yes conservatives. Efforts to free slaves and progress their rights was a Liberal effort by definition. And the actions by the southern states, and yes southern Democrats, and Jim Crow laws were not a result of the way blacks were voting. Like I said a few posts ago, that is completely tone deaf

Wrong, we've been over this
there were conservatives in lincolns time. Watch the movie
if you don't like that
then what did Horace Greeley run as and what year? Who did he run against? What party were they?
And of course let me know the last democrat more conservative than the republican for President?

I think most republicans were more Liberal than their democratic counter parts back in Lincoln’s day. Southern democrats were absolutely conservative during Jim Crow. Those roles flip flopped during the mid 1900s

They didn't, that's the point. WH Taft was more conservative than either Roosevelt or Wilson in 1912

As for the south, what really happened was AC.....once it became widely available, republicans moved south for lower taxes and better weather? why republicans? because they had jobs they could transfer to and they had enough money to move.
I moved to TN in 1992 with my parents, better weather, lower taxes....
Did you know that TN house and senate wasn't controlled by republicans until 2009 (they had one term in the late 60s, but it was an outlier)?

List of Speakers of the Tennessee House of Representatives - Wikipedia
List of Speakers of the Louisiana House of Representatives - Wikipedia
Party control of Alabama state government - Ballotpedia

Alabama has become more Republican in the last 30 years. 30 years would be 1988


look at others, most senators and house members and state legislatures didn't go republican until the 1980s, roughly 20 years after the civil rights act,why?
Because people didn't switch, it was population movement and people growing up with different attitudes(aka non racist attitudes).


Sorry guys that switch stuff is total bunk.....it didn't happen.

cause it doesn't fit the kkk dems created. so they have to sell it like the reps have been in charge for fking ever.

 

[jc456]

Did you all hear Trump say this at his last rally? Another brilliant tag line from our dear leader
#clueless

Blacks have been eligible to vote for 148 years, I'm sure some have been voting for commiecrats during that time.


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Good for you, I’m sure you’d also be cheering him on if you heard him say that at his rally. That shit just makes me laugh in a sad kind of way. #pathetic

I've got the 15th Amendment, passed in Feb 1870, you?


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We playing word games now? Do you not recognize the barriers that were in place from 1870s - 1965. Do you not understand my point or do I need to spell it out for you?

your ploy was to be a liar and post fake news like trump had lied and was a boob. it's what a staunch leftist does. disingenuous.