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You yahoos, do you know who James WAtson is???? I find it laughable that you insist that your own innate understanding of things trumps his findings.
The man discovered the double helix, for crying out loud. He isn't stating this because he thinks it's probably true, he's stating it based upon testing done upon populations, which show south african blacks are consistently less intelligent than the whites.
Which isn't surprising, given their backgrounds. They've been oppressed and riddled by disease. Instead of whining about it, perhaps the best tactic is to address it.
He also stated that it's ridiculous to think that populations of humans growing in different geographic locations, with different factors affecting them, can be across the board equal in all things. It's just not good science to believe so.
Someone who is just citing facts can't be called a racist, unless he has a desire to use those facts to oppress a population. I don't see that with Watson. He's way politically incorrect, but eggheads often are. It's the nose-picking Mensa retard thing.
Watson does believe in genetic engineering. Now that could be racist. But his comment, provided it's based upon fact, I don't see it as a racist comment. I see it as evidence that people who are treated as animals long enough will devolve. Which anyone who has ever raised animals knows is true, anyway. You put a population of chickens in a pen, underfeed them, give them diseases, you end up with deformed, stupid chickens in a really short time. Why should it be any different for humans? And how would that be a racist comment to acknowledge it?
I prefer the truth to burying your head in the sand.
First of all, it did not take me three seconds to come up with that response. It was closer to five. All I meant was blacks and whites are born with an equal mindset.
Probably because 1) it's true and 2) the consequences frighten you.
The complaint about "lack of proof" for the lower intelligence of blacks is not valid: there are piles and piles of data on this. It's also not strongly disputed that inheritence has much to do with it. Even the NYT today confirmed that much. There are a half-dozen sophisticated and intriguing theories as to why this is.
But so what? People who want to kill a truth will, if determined enough. You could be, shit, I don't know... the co-discoverer of the fucking double-helix and they'd fire you from your job for saying the truth.
I believe he and Crick were in an English pub half whacked out when they thought of it.
YOU are a racist bigot, so you beleive it. That is the part that frightens me. It simply isn't true.Probably because 1) it's true and 2) the consequences frighten you.
The complaint about "lack of proof" for the lower intelligence of blacks is not valid: there are piles and piles of data on this. It's also not strongly disputed that inheritence has much to do with it. Even the NYT today confirmed that much. There are a half-dozen sophisticated and intriguing theories as to why this is.
But so what? People who want to kill a truth will, if determined enough. You could be, shit, I don't know... the co-discoverer of the fucking double-helix and they'd fire you from your job for saying the truth.
I'm pretty sure they came up with the idea at a talk given by Rosalind Franklin
Chris Columbo discovered America, doesn't mean he wasn't a racist. Watson's science doesn't mean he ain't a fool in other areas. His example is Africa or that is/was his so called testing ground. Tribal, closed groups are going to be tribal and enclosed. Look at our own Indians, old Chris didn't discover sky scrapers when he arrived. Even today many Indians are having a hard go of it. Someone tell us what makes a good, sound, fair, progressive society? Answers welcome.
Now that name rings a bell, yes, I think I remember seeing/hearing that they lifted a female scientist's ideas, that must be her then? I prefer the idea of the pair of them after ten pints down at the local coming up with the double helix but that could well be simply romanticised.
The bottom line for Race-and-IQ is this: we don't know. Or rather, we don't know yet.
Research into the human genome is proceeding at a furious pace. Within a couple of decades, I predict we will know which genes contribute to intelligence, just as we will know which genes contribute to eye color.
Then we can actually study the distribution of "IQ gene" alleles over the human population and see who has more of the ones we find desirable.
And a few decades after that, we -- our descendants -- will all have them, along with lots of other desirable genes for strength and disease-resistance and longevity.
In other words, your great-great-great-grandchildren are going to look on you as a diseased moronic pre-human. And, compared to them, they will be right.
By the way, it may be the case that the difference in IQ among different ethnic groups is simply due to culture: to their economic or educational environment. Let's all pretend to believe this, until we know for sure. (But I am sorry to report that the people who study these things know how to control for, say economic level: of course you don't just compare all X's to all Y's, since X's and Y's may have, on average, different income levels. So perhaps it is level of income of the parents that determines IQ, the argument some people have raised here. Well, what you do to test that is to take all X's and all Y's from the same income level, and look at their IQs. I am sorry to report that the results don't support the "it's their economic background" hypothesis. Or rather, only a small contribution is made by economic level. Then we could find something that cannot be held equal: the legacy of slavery, for instance. Be careful with this one: the people who were Slaves in Egypt seem to have done extraordinarily well out of the experience, if you are measuring IQ.)
Better not to talk about it. Conservatives in particular can only lose from an honest open debate. And there are, or should be, no consequences coming out from it anyway, in a proper limited-government equal-rights-for-all society.
I maintain the proper way to judge what is "good, sound, fair, progressive society" is how it treats its underprivileged, disenfrachised, its political, religious, and "racial" minorities, and how it interacts with dissimilar external societies.
Excellent. Anyone else?
Heard on O'Reilly last night that white children that grow up with both parents is 74%, while black children that grow up with both parents is 38%. I think that right there can absolutely effect a learning curve.
Certainly does. As someone wrote on this or another thread, blacks rates of marriage and divorce were consistent with Caucasians until 1960's 'Civil Rights' legislation and 'war on poverty' acts. Since then, well Daniel Patrick Moynihan pointed out what happened...
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YOU are a racist bigot, so you beleive it. That is the part that frightens me. It simply isn't true.
I, for one, will not discuss this.
Welfare happened, quotas happened, affirmative action happened, all the way up to wanting reparations. Something for nothing. What kind of person expects something for nothing? A lazy person, and your brain is a muscle. Use it or lose it.
Did you spend all of 3 seconds coming up with that knee-jerk response?
Blacks and whites are legally equal. Blacks and whites, IMO, are intellectually equal given the same playing field. Blacks and whites do NOT however, have that level playing field.
Problem is, it's glossed over by apologists and people who live in fear of being called racists, and the root of the problem addressed with handouts instead of education/empowerment.
Blacks are raised in a subculture in which they believe they are entitled, a belief that goes all the way back to slavery. Do-gooder, apologist enabler whites who cringe when AL Sharpton, Jesse Jackson or Loius Farrakham speak have allowed this mindset to be perpetuated.
In contrast, whites, at least in my generation, were taught you get what you go out and earn and nobody owes you a thing.
When society as a whole starts demanding the same personal accountability of one group that they do the other, THEN the playing field will level.
