Birthright Citizenship? Yes/No

[JohnDB]

Since it's coming up again



Let's discuss it.

On one hand you have pregnant women coming to the USA just to have a baby be an American citizen by being born here....then as the baby's mother she gets a way into the country .....

The downside?
Nobody, even naturally born to American Citizens, is free from proving their parents were Americans when they were born...

Creating room for all sorts of deportation scams and corruption by powerful people wanting to exert authority over average people.

So what do you think?

 

[White 6]

Since it's coming up again in the news...




Let's discuss it.

On one hand you have pregnant women coming to the USA just to have a baby be an American citizen by being born here....then as the baby's mother she gets a way into the country .....

The downside?
Nobody, even naturally born to American Citizens, is free from proving their parents were Americans when they were born...

Creating room for all sorts of deportation scams and corruption by powerful people wanting to exert authority over average people.

So what do you think?

Keep it.

 

[Chuz Life]

Birthright Citizenship is not (and should not be) an entitlement or enticement for anyone to try to birth their children in the U.S., through criminal means.

I can't decipher the rest of the OP.

 

[JohnDB]

Keep it.

Yeah....I'm going to agree with you.

I can't imagine a young couple trying to prove their citizenship so that their child will gain citizenship.

 

[White 6]

Yeah....I'm going to agree with you.

I can't imagine a young couple trying to prove their citizenship so that their child will gain citizenship.

I just have my normal, conservative, ingrained, unconditional belief in the Constitution, and that includes the 14th Amendment.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

We settled this back in 1867, as part of the supreme law of the land.

 

[my2¢]

Curtesy of the Onion:

ICE Agents Hurl Pregnant Immigrant Over Mexican Border To Prevent Birth On U.S. Soil​

 

[Chuz Life]

I just have my normal, conservative, ingrained, unconditional belief in the Constitution, and that includes the 14th Amendment.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

We settled this back in 1867, as part of the supreme law of the land.

So, because the Framers understood that birthright didn't or shouldn't include those who are here illegally, but they neglected to put it into writing, we should reward the criminals who birth their kids here with U.S. Citizenship, anyway?

I'm on team no for that, and I can't wait for the SCOTUS to apply the Constitution and the 14th Amendment accordingly.

 

[Chuz Life]

Curtesy of the Onion:

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ICE Agents Hurl Pregnant Immigrant Over Mexican Border To Prevent Birth On U.S. Soil​

How many tosses did it take?

I would have used a catapult.

 

[OKTexas]

Yeah....I'm going to agree with you.

I can't imagine a young couple trying to prove their citizenship so that their child will gain citizenship.

That's what birth certificates are for, this isn't the 19th century. If at least one parent isn't a citizen, no citizenship for the rug rat. If the both parents have permanent residency, the child could be naturalized along with the parents.

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[White 6]

So, because the Framers understood that birthright didn't or shouldn't include those who are here illegally, but they neglected to put it into writing, we should reward the criminals who birth their kids here with U.S. Citizenship, anyway?

I'm on team no for that, and I can't wait for the SCOTUS to apply the Constitution and the 14th Amendment accordingly.

The framers? You mean post civil war America of 1866? Ratified by the states to become LAW by July 9, 1868. I am from Tennessee, the 3rd state to ratify, on July 19, 1866.

 

[Chuz Life]

The framers? You mean post civil war America of 1866? Ratified by the states to become LAW by July 9, 1868. I am from Tennessee, the 3rd state to ratify, on July 19, 1866.

The "framers" of the 14th Amendment.

Primarily Senator, Jacob Howard.

 

[Concerned American]

Since it's coming up again



Let's discuss it.

On one hand you have pregnant women coming to the USA just to have a baby be an American citizen by being born here....then as the baby's mother she gets a way into the country .....

The downside?
Nobody, even naturally born to American Citizens, is free from proving their parents were Americans when they were born...

Creating room for all sorts of deportation scams and corruption by powerful people wanting to exert authority over average people.

So what do you think?

I was born to American parents while they were overseas. My birth certificate states American Citizen Born Abroad and it was issued by the state department. I misplaced it for a short time and needed a copy as an adult. I wrote the state department and got a replacement in the mail. The BC stated the parents nationality. There is no reason why that cannot be a requirement at birth. If at least one parent is not an American citizen, then the child would be the citizenship of the mother IMHO.

 

[White 6]

That's what birth certificates are for, this isn't the 19th century. If at least one parent isn't a citizen, no citizenship for the rug rat. If the both parents have permanent residency, the child could be naturalized along with the parents.

.

I thought you considered yourself conservative. How can you be conservative, if you do not believe in the Constitution. One assumes, you were never military, and took and oath to it.

 

[Concerned American]

So, because the Framers understood that birthright didn't or shouldn't include those who are here illegally,

Only about 2/3 or 55 of the founders were born in the US. The other 19 were born in Britain. So I don't think the issue was on their minds at the time.

 

[OKTexas]

I just have my normal, conservative, ingrained, unconditional belief in the Constitution, and that includes the 14th Amendment.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

We settled this back in 1867, as part of the supreme law of the land.

And no SCOTUS decision is infallible or irreversible.

.

 

[Concerned American]

I thought you considered yourself conservative. How can you be conservative, if you do not believe in the Constitution. One assumes, you were never military, and took and oath to it.

What are you trying to say, that the military all believe in anchor babies? LOL, I think you're in the minority six. Members of my family have been represented in every war since WWI and we are all united against birth right citizenship for anchor babies or their parents without going through the naturalization process.

 

[DGS49]

Birthright citizenship is bullshit, and everyone knows it's bullshit. Anyone claiming that the wording of the 14th clearly authorizes it is either a liar or an idiot.

HOWEVER, when the USSC finally addresses the issue, nothing will change. THIS Supreme Court will not cast a shadow on hundreds of thousands of U.S. citizens who were granted citizenship under the current incorrect reading.

Trump is right, but he will lose.

You read it here first.

 

[White 6]

And no SCOTUS decision is infallible or irreversible.

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I have seen SCOTUS decisions overturned, simply changing their minds on political whim of whether conservatives, or liberals are packed on the court. Mostly they are simply too conservative to strike down actual Amendments to the constitution, layed out in plain language, as they took this oath, when they came onto the Supreme Court: “I, _________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the
Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will
bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without
any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully
discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

Therefore, there are limits to what the Supremes will try to palm off, as an interpretation. Actually making plain text of the US Constitution, itself, has not been on them, that I am aware of, and doubt a rogue court, would go as far as ruling unconstitutional, the US Constitution.

 

[White 6]

What are you trying to say, that the military all believe in anchor babies? LOL, I think you're in the minority six. Members of my family have been represented in every war since WWI and we are all united against birth right citizenship for anchor babies or their parents without going through the naturalization process.

Oh, so you guys swore an oath, as long as they didn't disagree, eh. Not much on oaths, eh. Or is it just you?

 

[jackflash]

Since it's coming up again



Let's discuss it.

On one hand you have pregnant women coming to the USA just to have a baby be an American citizen by being born here....then as the baby's mother she gets a way into the country .....

The downside?
Nobody, even naturally born to American Citizens, is free from proving their parents were Americans when they were born...

Creating room for all sorts of deportation scams and corruption by powerful people wanting to exert authority over average people.

So what do you think?

Since it's coming up again



Let's discuss it.

On one hand you have pregnant women coming to the USA just to have a baby be an American citizen by being born here....then as the baby's mother she gets a way into the country .....

The downside?
Nobody, even naturally born to American Citizens, is free from proving their parents were Americans when they were born...

Creating room for all sorts of deportation scams and corruption by powerful people wanting to exert authority over average people.

So what do you think?

I go with no on birthrite!