Birthright Citizenship…Arguments to begin this week at the Supreme Court.

[WEATHER53]

When their baby graduates from Harvard with a degree, we don't give a degree to the mother in that case either.

0.05% just doesn’t get my attention

 

[rightwinger]

14th Amendment is very clear

Lets see what the originalists on the court like Alito and Thomas say

 

[Delldude]

14th Amendment is very clear

Lets see what the originalists on the court like Alito and Thomas say

If it was so clear, there wouldn't be an issue.

 

[Rawley]

sorry ...if I wasn't clear....

No, what I am saying is under the example, her parents or parent, were under (or subject to)our jurisdiction when she was born on our soil, thus she, is a citizen at birth....her parents are still alien foreigners, but the child born is not a foreigner, she is a citizen at birth.

OK Why do you think an illegal alien is "subject to" our jurisdiction? Don't get confused with "within" our jurisdiction which gives them certain rights and allows us to put them jail.

 

[WEATHER53]

Slaves brought into the US after 1809 were "illegal"

Stay away from apples to tire irons

 

[WEATHER53]

Around 20 or more Nations have some form of birthright citizenship... or jus soli... but they all have severe restrictions and rules of who qualifies... like the parents must be in the country legally for a certain number of years before their children can qualify... in other words you can't sneak into their country and go to a hospital shoot out a baby and its a citizen... that only happens here...

The others have enough fortitude to not undermine themselves. We cater too much to wishes and feelings

 

[WEATHER53]

There you go again. If you do have any common sense, you have to know that the government is not going to deport the parents, leaving the US citizen child to fend for itself. Once the kid is born to an illegal immigrant, they all get to stay. Wise up!!!

Premeditated illegal act we should not cater to

 

[Zincwarrior]

LOL according to your cult's interpretation.

And all court cases to date.

 

[Rawley]

And all court cases to date.

Wong is the only one on point. And in Wong, the parents were permanent legal residents.

 

[g5000]

Not at all. Look to the Indians. They were on American soil and not granted birthright citizenship, why should illegals magically qualify?

Indians were not on American soil. They were born on tribal soil and thus not "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" of the United States.

Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94 (1884)

Elk v. Wilkins

supreme.justia.com

 

[rightwinger]

If it was so clear, there wouldn't be an issue.

Hasn’t been an issue for 150 years…….Until MAGA

 

[Mac-7]

Hasn’t been an issue for 150 years…….Until MAGA

It has always been an issue

Bit it gets much bigger since trump came along

 

[postman]

Are they? Or are they "within" our jurisdiction. Explain the difference Ratty.

Within our jurisdiction indicates where they are. Like being within California's jurisdiction.

Subject to our jurisdiction, denotes having legal authority over them.

So a diplomat stationed in the US is within our jurisdiction, but not subject to our jurisdiction.

 

[BluesLegend]

Are Democrats worried we will F up their anchor baby/illegal invasion scam to rig elections?

 

[postman]

It has always been an issue

Bit it gets much bigger since trump came along

Juist like a president only serving two terms wasn't an issue until Trump came along.

 

[g5000]

It has always been an issue

Bit it gets much bigger since trump came along

It hasn't been this big an issue since the nativist Know Nothings of the 1850s.

In fact, I have often thought the Republican Party should be renamed the Know Nothings.

The Know Nothing Party was also known as the American Party, so it's a natural fit for you modern day Know Nothings.

 

[WEATHER53]

Are Democrats worried we will F up their anchor baby/illegal invasion scam to rig elections?

Very much so

 

[postman]

So jus soli wasn't the law of the land.

Actually it was, for the people not excluded by the 3/5ths compromise.

 

[g5000]

Back during the Know Nothing days, the nativists were all heated up over the Irish, Italians, Germans, French, Poles, and the Catholics.

Basically, everyone but the English.

And they used the exact same rhetoric. "They are bringing crime. They're rapists."

The nativists even accused the immigrants of stealing elections, just like Trump claimed 5 million illegals voted for Hillary Clinton.

Same bullshit, different century.

 

[g5000]

So jus soli wasn't the law of the land.

It was after the 14th Amendment and ever since.