Bill would give president emergency control of Internet

[namvet]

can he shut it down?? acording this he can use a "kill switch"

A Senate bill would offer President Obama emergency control of the Internet and may give him a "kill switch" to shut down online traffic by seizing private networks — a move cybersecurity experts worry will choke off industry and civil liberties.

Details of a revamped version of the Cybersecurity Act of 2009 emerged late Thursday, months after an initial version authored by Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.V., was blasted in Silicon Valley as dangerous government intrusion.

[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-control-internet/"]link[/URL]

technically what the hell is a kill switch?????

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Actually, no, not possible. The government does not control most of the servers, otherwise they'd all be that shitty Windoze server OS. To "shut down the internet" you have to shut down all the servers or all the providers, that's simply impossible, unless this bill passes.

The ironic thing is that when Bush tried this kind of action everyone whined about it, now it's Obama and his blind supporters are justifying it.

It amazes me, it truly does -- the sheer robot like quality of some of his supporters.

Not quite, robots have some individuality, thinking more like pod people at this stage.

Actually Kitten does make a good point, bush tried this and the liberals flipped out. Not that the liberals posting in this thread were the same ones flipping out about bush, i dont know if they were or not. However the liberal media did. And now no one in the media has really complained about obama taking it even further.


You are actually acting like the robots in this specific instance, sorry to be the jerk and point it out but that is what it looks like to me.

 

[KittenKoder]

can he shut it down?? acording this he can use a "kill switch"

A Senate bill would offer President Obama emergency control of the Internet and may give him a "kill switch" to shut down online traffic by seizing private networks — a move cybersecurity experts worry will choke off industry and civil liberties.

Details of a revamped version of the Cybersecurity Act of 2009 emerged late Thursday, months after an initial version authored by Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.V., was blasted in Silicon Valley as dangerous government intrusion.

[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-control-internet/"]link[/URL]

technically what the hell is a kill switch?????

A "kill switch" for something like the internet would require a software program that would sever the internet links, either at the server level (requiring that the OS which the government has a contract with be used, thus no choice) or at the provider level (requiring a lot of costly modifications to the current system) ... either way, we lose if they implement it.

 

[KittenKoder]

It amazes me, it truly does -- the sheer robot like quality of some of his supporters.

Not quite, robots have some individuality, thinking more like pod people at this stage.

Actually Kitten does make a good point, bush tried this and the liberals flipped out. Not that the liberals posting in this thread were the same ones flipping out about bush, i dont know if they were or not. However the liberal media did. And now no one in the media has really complained about obama taking it even further.


You are actually acting like the robots in this specific instance, sorry to be the jerk and point it out but that is what it looks like to me.

I'm complaining about this one to.
Anything that risks losing the last truly free medium to government control angers me. We lost cable, and I know none of the Linux programmers will go down without a fight on this one, a serious fight. They worry about what gun nuts can do, they really need to worry about us "masked" programmers who don't have any major ties. If they try to **** with the net, it won't be pretty, considering it was us "uneducated moron" techies who perfected the machines and software, their "educumated" techies are just reusing our work.

 

[twogreen2c]

One attempt (not necessarily the best) to address a modern problem. I'm not so sure this is a bad thing but God help any president who actually uses it. They better be able to justify such an action completely or the back lash will destroy their career and possible land them in jail.

Just the fact a Bill like this could be considered or worse yet passed, should tell you something. The rate at which we are losing our freedom is very alarming. The groundwork has been set and now with the radicals in the WH, they are ready to pounce. Americans have allowed the power grab and now we are on the verge of being powerless to stop it. "Careers" will not be destroyed. The only persons who will land in jail will be the protesters of this government takeover. The forces behind this movement are not "career" people. They are groups of people who share the same ideology and are well organized on all fronts.

 

[KittenKoder]

One attempt (not necessarily the best) to address a modern problem. I'm not so sure this is a bad thing but God help any president who actually uses it. They better be able to justify such an action completely or the back lash will destroy their career and possible land them in jail.

Just the fact a Bill like this could be considered or worse yet passed, should tell you something. The rate at which we are losing our freedom is very alarming. The groundwork has been set and now with the radicals in the WH, they are ready to pounce. Americans have allowed the power grab and now we are on the verge of being powerless to stop it. "Careers" will not be destroyed. The only persons who will land in jail will be the protesters of this government takeover. The forces behind this movement are not "career" people. They are groups of people who share the same ideology and are well organized on all fronts.

Luckily, those of us who see the threat that are on those fronts all share that fear and are willing to put aside our differences to combat it. So I guess Obama did keep one campaign promise, he made the US more united, just not in the manner he implied.

 

[namvet]

can he shut it down?? acording this he can use a "kill switch"

A Senate bill would offer President Obama emergency control of the Internet and may give him a "kill switch" to shut down online traffic by seizing private networks — a move cybersecurity experts worry will choke off industry and civil liberties.

Details of a revamped version of the Cybersecurity Act of 2009 emerged late Thursday, months after an initial version authored by Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.V., was blasted in Silicon Valley as dangerous government intrusion.

[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-control-internet/"]link[/URL]

technically what the hell is a kill switch?????

A "kill switch" for something like the internet would require a software program that would sever the internet links, either at the server level (requiring that the OS which the government has a contract with be used, thus no choice) or at the provider level (requiring a lot of costly modifications to the current system) ... either way, we lose if they implement it.

that's a good overview. but im taking this to internet specialist to see exactly how he would do it. how would he force the servers to do it??? especially foreign servers???

 

[KittenKoder]

can he shut it down?? acording this he can use a "kill switch"


[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-control-internet/"]link[/URL]

technically what the hell is a kill switch?????

A "kill switch" for something like the internet would require a software program that would sever the internet links, either at the server level (requiring that the OS which the government has a contract with be used, thus no choice) or at the provider level (requiring a lot of costly modifications to the current system) ... either way, we lose if they implement it.

that's a good overview. but im taking this to internet specialist to see exactly how he would do it. how would he force the servers to do it??? especially foreign servers???

There's the catch, I set up servers and intranets for a living, foreign servers would be almost impossible, so most likely he would have to utilize the provider level system, which would be extremely expensive. The internet isn't one solid "thing" ... it's a lot of little computers (servers) connected through providers. A lot of servers are now stored in people's own homes, then they rent space and bandwidth for money, to extend the power to those would seriously overstep the bounds of government power, and would backlash badly to. But ... even if the internet providers were shut down, many servers can switch to dial up access very easily and create their own "temporary" internet, utilizing old BBS software, so us programmers would still be in touch with each other, while the rest of the population would be in the dark.

 

[del]

Internet companies and civil liberties groups were alarmed this spring when a U.S. Senate bill proposed handing the White House the power to disconnect private-sector computers from the Internet.

The new version would allow the president to "declare a cybersecurity emergency" relating to "non-governmental" computer networks and do what's necessary to respond to the threat. Other sections of the proposal include a federal certification program for "cybersecurity professionals," and a requirement that certain computer systems and networks in the private sector be managed by people who have been awarded that license.

Bill would give president emergency control of Internet | Politics and Law - CNET News

So I guess it's unimportant to you people, who are at this moment communicating via computer, that in the event of a cyber threat that had the potential to shut down the entire global network, causing banks/markets/life support systems/etc., to simultaneously crash, is a baaaaaaad thing. Interesting.

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04321.pdf

barack obama CNE



yeah, i have a small problem with giving govt a stranglehold on comms.

go figure.

 

[del]

Goober alert! Goober alert! Do any of you know who developed the Internet? No, no, Kevin and Terry, put down your hands: it was not Al Gore. The Department of Defense!

Even Terry will get this one -- the government will shut down the Net anytime it wants.

try to keep up gramps, darpa doesn't control the internet.

jeebus, might be time to trade in that trash-80 while you're at it.

 

[KittenKoder]

Bill would give president emergency control of Internet | Politics and Law - CNET News

So I guess it's unimportant to you people, who are at this moment communicating via computer, that in the event of a cyber threat that had the potential to shut down the entire global network, causing banks/markets/life support systems/etc., to simultaneously crash, is a baaaaaaad thing. Interesting.

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04321.pdf

barack obama CNE



yeah, i have a small problem with giving govt a stranglehold on comms.

go figure.

I find it funny that she thinks there is even a chance that everything can "simultaneously crash" ... that almost made me laugh.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

I'm not surprised by this. Where did people think Socialism/Communism was going to take them? Did people really believe that Socialism/Communism was going to lead to them having more Freedoms & Liberty? Yikes!

 

[del]

So I guess it's unimportant to you people, who are at this moment communicating via computer, that in the event of a cyber threat that had the potential to shut down the entire global network, causing banks/markets/life support systems/etc., to simultaneously crash, is a baaaaaaad thing. Interesting.

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04321.pdf

barack obama CNE



yeah, i have a small problem with giving govt a stranglehold on comms.

go figure.

I find it funny that she thinks there is even a chance that everything can "simultaneously crash" ... that almost made me laugh.

well, the prez can do no wrong according to some.

 

[Valerie]

Bill would give president emergency control of Internet | Politics and Law - CNET News

So I guess it's unimportant to you people, who are at this moment communicating via computer, that in the event of a cyber threat that had the potential to shut down the entire global network, causing banks/markets/life support systems/etc., to simultaneously crash, is a baaaaaaad thing. Interesting.

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04321.pdf

barack obama CNE



yeah, i have a small problem with giving govt a stranglehold on comms.

go figure.

I agree it is very worrisome because as we know with such ultimate power also comes the abuse of power, which is the real troublesome part of this type of thing. I'm not sure how else to protect ourselves though. Maybe each entity needs to have an individual and independent response shield of some sort. Something like an individual industry fuse breaker rather than an all encompassing circuit breaker, so to speak....?

 

[CaféAuLait]

I'm not surprised by this. Where did people think Socialism/Communism was going to take them? Did people really believe that Socialism/Communism was going to lead to them having more Freedoms & Liberty? Yikes!

Adding to that Jay Rockefeller, who us writing the bill, said "Internet should have never been invented". And it was the most dangerous thing ever invented or the number one national hazard.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct9xzXUQLuY]YouTube - Jay Rockefeller: Internet should have never existed[/ame]

 

[xsited1]

Internet companies and civil liberties groups were alarmed this spring when a U.S. Senate bill proposed handing the White House the power to disconnect private-sector computers from the Internet.

The new version would allow the president to "declare a cybersecurity emergency" relating to "non-governmental" computer networks and do what's necessary to respond to the threat. Other sections of the proposal include a federal certification program for "cybersecurity professionals," and a requirement that certain computer systems and networks in the private sector be managed by people who have been awarded that license.

Bill would give president emergency control of Internet | Politics and Law - CNET News

So I guess it's unimportant to you people, who are at this moment communicating via computer, that in the event of a cyber threat that had the potential to shut down the entire global network, causing banks/markets/life support systems/etc., to simultaneously crash, is a baaaaaaad thing. Interesting.

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04321.pdf

Now you sound like a Neoconservative Bush supporter. You and the Obamabots have a lot in common.

 

[KittenKoder]

So I guess it's unimportant to you people, who are at this moment communicating via computer, that in the event of a cyber threat that had the potential to shut down the entire global network, causing banks/markets/life support systems/etc., to simultaneously crash, is a baaaaaaad thing. Interesting.

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04321.pdf

barack obama CNE



yeah, i have a small problem with giving govt a stranglehold on comms.

go figure.

I agree it is very worrisome because as we know with such ultimate power also comes the abuse of power, which is the real troublesome part of this type of thing. I'm not sure how else to protect ourselves though. Maybe each entity needs to have an individual and independent response shield of some sort. Something like an individual industry fuse breaker rather than an all encompassing circuit breaker, so to speak....?

Actually, I could help them protect their systems ... I could, but I won't. Someone else with the complete knowledge of how the technology works instead of specialists probably would though. They just need to stop only using elitists. Really there are a few easily pin pointed flaws in their systems, and it wouldn't cost a dime to fix those, other than labor. However, and here's what the blind followers are missing, they are not interested in increasing security.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Gee... remember how the world was coming to an end because some nitwit actually thought Dick Cheney & Bush were reading their mail? Ahhh.. the good old days.

 

[Valerie]

So I guess it's unimportant to you people, who are at this moment communicating via computer, that in the event of a cyber threat that had the potential to shut down the entire global network, causing banks/markets/life support systems/etc., to simultaneously crash, is a baaaaaaad thing. Interesting.

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04321.pdf

barack obama CNE



yeah, i have a small problem with giving govt a stranglehold on comms.

go figure.

I find it funny that she thinks there is even a chance that everything can "simultaneously crash" ... that almost made me laugh.

Well, not everyone is as technically savvy as you KK. Sounds like they're trying to scare us into relinquishing that power, then.....?

 

[namvet]

A "kill switch" for something like the internet would require a software program that would sever the internet links, either at the server level (requiring that the OS which the government has a contract with be used, thus no choice) or at the provider level (requiring a lot of costly modifications to the current system) ... either way, we lose if they implement it.

that's a good overview. but im taking this to internet specialist to see exactly how he would do it. how would he force the servers to do it??? especially foreign servers???

There's the catch, I set up servers and intranets for a living, foreign servers would be almost impossible, so most likely he would have to utilize the provider level system, which would be extremely expensive. The internet isn't one solid "thing" ... it's a lot of little computers (servers) connected through providers. A lot of servers are now stored in people's own homes, then they rent space and bandwidth for money, to extend the power to those would seriously overstep the bounds of government power, and would backlash badly to. But ... even if the internet providers were shut down, many servers can switch to dial up access very easily and create their own "temporary" internet, utilizing old BBS software, so us programmers would still be in touch with each other, while the rest of the population would be in the dark.

how does he keep all this a secret??? shoot the servers and everyone connected ????? secrecy and sealth would be the best weapon. download something like a worm that infects and reveals it it all. and how do we know its not already there???? one such threat i already mentioned was the flash. untectable

[URL="http://news.softpedia.com/news/Flash-Cookies-Used-to-Track-User-Behavior-119045.shtml"]flash[/URL]

and whats on your machine now??? find out. [URL="http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager07.html"]here[/URL] this is just 1 method. ever use youtube????