Biden Issues Indian Travel Ban A Year After Calling Trump’s China Travel Ban Xenophobic

Chinese own most of Canadian production and have for years.
Thats not true

China has invested heavily in canadian oil and in some cases owns up to 50% of some oil ventures

But that falls far short of what you claim
 
Trump was punishing China because they were not yielding to the blob's pugnacious manner.
Libs are going to be very good coolies for china after the take over

China caused the virus and didnt tell the world while they scarfed up medical supplies from the shelves and shipped them back home to the CCP

Some 430,000 people flew from China to US after ...
Apr 05, 2020 · In January, when Chinese officials were still underreporting the effect of the outbreak, Trump received push-back for issuing a travel ban, with several Democrats in Congress suggesting it …
If you ship oil frm Canada to refineries in Free Trade Zones and then directly overseas the US government gets no tax
If democrats had not killed the pipeline all the oil would have been refined in the US

By the Saudis............
I thought it was BP? Either way, so long as it's in America...hiring Americans, paying Americans....I don't care where the company HQ is.

No. Saudi ARAMCO owns Motiva.
Cool...and they are HQed in Houston....and therefore have a number of American employees, and would of had more had Xiden not killed the pipeline

Thanks

Nope.. They may have added two or three additional employees at the refinery .. no signficant numbers.. You ever been to their HQ in Houston? I have .. . many times over many years. You really don't know shit from shinola.
I haven't...I don't see the point of being at the HQ....I just know where it is.

Who knows the numbers of people that would have been needed to load, the tankers, work on the tankers, maintain the tankers etc.

I have lifelong ties to the ARAMCO offices in Houston and their earlier NY office.
From the link:

The number of passengers flying directly into the U.S. from China was significantly reduced after President Trump issued a travel ban on Jan. 31 – the day after the World Health Organization declared a global health emergency.

.........

Trump acted properly and responsibly

Excerpt April 2020

Most of the travelers flew into airports in Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York, Chicago, Seattle, Newark and Detroit in January. Thousands came directly from the city of Wuhan in the Chinese Hubei province, where the coronavirus originated, the New York Times reported.

The report did not account for travelers who did not fly directly from China and may have come into the U.S. on a connecting flight from the country.

The number of passengers flying directly into the U.S. from China was significantly reduced after President Trump issued a travel ban on Jan. 31 – the day after the World Health Organization declared a global health emergency.

Foreign nationals were barred from entering the U.S. if they had visited China within the past two weeks.

Even after the order went into effect on February 2, some 40,000 people – traveling on 279 flights – have arrived in the U.S. from China, according to the analysis from the New York Times based on data collected in both countries.

Those individuals were exempt from the restrictions because they were either American citizens, U.S. passport or green cardholders. Non-citizen relatives were also permitted to enter the U.S., an exemption made by the president to prevent the separation of families.

Some of those flights arrived within the past week from Beijing into major U.S. airports in Los Angeles, San Francisco, and New York.
 
Who except you, gives a shit where the covid came from?
The left cares very much that china not be blamed for it
Good point. The left didn't want to follow the science, and wanted to ignore the grim reality of the Chinese Virus....so not to upset their masters in the Chinese Communist Party
Another brilliant uneducated and uninformed deduction from Struth about "grim" realities. Really??
you all supported the chinese travel ban? really? i don’t recall that
Let me refresh your memory about me. I support banning all countries until the covid is under control. I do not support Trump's reason for banning China because he was being vindictive and not productive.
The experts say it was productive...what was he being "vindictive" about? He was in the middle of working out a trade deal with China, one that benefited the USA....
Do the experts say that it was productive? Really? Trump was being vindictive due to China's negotiating tactics and their refusal to bend. He has shown that he is a vindictive guy. His tariffs did not benefit the USA. China made trade deals with some of our allies to their benefit, which gives them influence as our allies benefit. They are now competing favorably with us for world economic influence.
Inflation has taken root due to his trade wars and pandemic.
Yes the experts say it was productive: geez.....do you live under a rock?

Of course the tariffs ended up paying off...and no China didn't make other deals...in fact as a result we saw the largest Ag purchases in China-USA history because of them





Your post couldn't be more wrong...like it was a net zero on being right about anything

POOF!

Asia-Pacific Nations Sign Huge Trade Deal With China While ...



https://www.npr.org › 2020/11/17 › asia-pacific-allies-sig...
Nov 17, 2020 — China and 14 other countries have agreed to set up the trading bloc. ... RCEP unites China, Japan and South Korea in a trade deal for the first time ... RCEP arrives as the coronavirus pandemic is battering member countries' economies. ... and reduce already low tariffs among member countries over time.

Those countries are still going to make individual trade deals with the US that will not involve a super-sized court to impose foreign laws on this country

These trade deals were made with China et. al due to Trump's bullying tactics.

Yes we were able to get the largest in US history Chinese deals for US products because Trump was tough on China....you are welcome

And you are paying 25% more for Chinese products and Canadian lumber, etc.
Our allies that Trump roughed up have moved toward China economically,
which serves to strengthen China's influence. Smooth move, ex-lax.
The price of American farm products is rising as much as 30% for Americans.


The tariffs with Canada have been lifted, after Trump was successful in getting rid of NAFTA and got a better deal...we are however paying a lot more of lumber since Xiden took office...all lumber

China's tariffs got us the historic purchases of American Ag...that's win....Xiden hasn't lifted them yet, because apparently they are working.

What allies?

You are correct for a change, but the tariffs were not reduced until December, 2020. They were not lifted. Canadian lumber is still expensive.
China's "historic" purchases of American agriculture have resulted in price increases of up to 30% for Americans due to a lack of productivity. Once again The blob did not consider the unintended consequences of his actions.
As far as your "what allies?" question, you should seriously consider researching the subjects that you flap about so that you get a feel for the big picture.

America is not the only country that is the target of chinese mercantilism

Australian farmers are feeling the wrath of china and you cant blame that on trump

What libs like you do not understand is that free trade with china under the guise of globalism is bad for America

"libs like me" understand that diplomacy gets you further than a kick in the ass.

Before Trump your “diplomatic” approach was greasing the skids of chinese expansion while destroying the American middle class

Trump's "tough guy, locked and loaded" approach got him nada, zilch, kaputsky,
niet.

now you are just trolling...it's been shown to you we got the largest ag purchases in US history from China because of it, and we also know, from your Dear Leader Xiden, that we got a better trade deal with Mexico and Canada because of it.

So just stop already

No, Lambchop. I said that because China has bought all farm products that are available. There is now a shortage of farm products, resulting in a 30% increase in prices for Americans buying those products. Many on this site acknowledge an increase in prices at the supermarket level, and I gave you the reason. Again, do some research before flapping in the breeze. This is an unintended consequence of the blob's lack of experience in foreign affairs and reliance on his "gut" too much rather than advice from experts. The blob did not know what he did not know. He just used his "gut". We finally have a leader who "walks softly and carries a big stick". Very necessary in this day and age rather than the "locked and loaded", bull in a china shop approach.

hahaha

ok first it was Trump screwed things up with China...then it was highlighted that actually because of his tough dealings with China we ended up with the largest purchases ever....now it's well they bought everything and now we have a shortage, and therefore that's why the cost of food has gone up....hahahah

I get it...you are fishing and trolling.

The cost of food is rising this year due to a few things...
1) the china virus and lockdowns....there were less people working and food processing plants
2) transportation due to lockdowns was slown down
3) More demand at the grocery store...people were eating more at home..thus the market respond to the demand
4) Xiden and the Dems winning, and producers planning for higher taxes.

Supply isn't an issue...farmers literally had to throw things away due to the Chinese Virus.


Trump liked to shoot from the hip.. He rarely (or never) knew anything about the subject.

India is in the throws of a horrible Covid surge.


Whatever...he certainly got it to work with China, Canada and Mexico

Yeah that's too bad about India....it's tragic that Xiden's xenophobia and bigotry towards India has lead to that....sadly it took public shaming for him to actually do something and send them some vaccine.

You need to take a time out. The covid is the bigot. Public shaming? Like you care about India, yes?

Nope, the Chinese is virus is merely a virus...it doesn't care about your race...Xiden is the bigot




Yes, I care about India...I care about people. I am not a racist bigot like your Dear Leader Chairman Xiden.


India is having a severe third wave of covid. .. and India is racing to save people.. They won't be traveling anywhere until the virus is on the wane.. That's not racism, moron... That's how you deal with epidemics.

Xiden said travel bans where xenophobic

If you remember, his comment was made when the blob ordered the ban on China very early in the pandemic cycle, before it hit like a cyclone. Biden was mistaken, and it is ok, so stop hanging your hat on it because he is doing the right thing. Trump was punishing China because they were not yielding to the blob's pugnacious manner.
I know that you have "deep" feelings for India all of a sudden and this a good blog for crying.

Yep...Xiden would have let more people die to protect his Chairman and Puppet masters in China.


By avoiding foreign travelers from covid hot spots?

No, by not issuing the travel ban from China because he said it was xenophobic.

So the question is now, if he thought it was xenophobic, why is he doing it to India? and given his much documented bigotry towards Indians...there seems to be only one logical conclusion...he's a bigot

Biden thought it was xenophobic and he was wrong about the blob's action as I explained. We all know how vindictive the blob is when he doesn't get his way.

Trump's vindictive for putting a travel ban on a country where a virus raging the nation, and where it started.....but Xiden isn't for shooting from the hip and calling the President xenophobic for doing it? Odd
 
If you ship oil frm Canada to refineries in Free Trade Zones and then directly overseas the US government gets no tax
If democrats had not killed the pipeline all the oil would have been refined in the US

By the Saudis............
I thought it was BP? Either way, so long as it's in America...hiring Americans, paying Americans....I don't care where the company HQ is.

No. Saudi ARAMCO owns Motiva.
Cool...and they are HQed in Houston....and therefore have a number of American employees, and would of had more had Xiden not killed the pipeline

Thanks

Nope.. They may have added two or three additional employees at the refinery .. no signficant numbers.. You ever been to their HQ in Houston? I have .. . many times over many years. You really don't know shit from shinola.
I haven't...I don't see the point of being at the HQ....I just know where it is.

Who knows the numbers of people that would have been needed to load, the tankers, work on the tankers, maintain the tankers etc.

That's all automated in the past 30 years.
Argumento that's true...if the entire process to load tankers is automated the systems still need to be maintained, operated, created...more volume means more need.

It's really a simple concept and your continued deflection from that is rather comical

Volume isn't actually increased much.. They juust want to build another pipeline while they already have unused capacity all over the Midwest. Haven't you been following the Keystone xl lies since 2011?
How much capicity are they using currently? how much more volume?
 
If you ship oil frm Canada to refineries in Free Trade Zones and then directly overseas the US government gets no tax
If democrats had not killed the pipeline all the oil would have been refined in the US

By the Saudis............
I thought it was BP? Either way, so long as it's in America...hiring Americans, paying Americans....I don't care where the company HQ is.

No. Saudi ARAMCO owns Motiva.
Cool...and they are HQed in Houston....and therefore have a number of American employees, and would of had more had Xiden not killed the pipeline

Thanks

Nope.. They may have added two or three additional employees at the refinery .. no signficant numbers.. You ever been to their HQ in Houston? I have .. . many times over many years. You really don't know shit from shinola.
I haven't...I don't see the point of being at the HQ....I just know where it is.

Who knows the numbers of people that would have been needed to load, the tankers, work on the tankers, maintain the tankers etc.

That's all automated in the past 30 years.
Argumento that's true...if the entire process to load tankers is automated the systems still need to be maintained, operated, created...more volume means more need.

It's really a simple concept and your continued deflection from that is rather comical

Volume isn't actually increased much.. They juust want to build another pipeline while they already have unused capacity all over the Midwest. Haven't you been following the Keystone xl lies since 2011?
Obama and biden opposed the pipeline and pushed canadian oil into the arms of china
The Chinese own most of Canadian production and have for years.
what does that have to do with giving them more? or we taking advantage and getting more money off it?
 
If you ship oil frm Canada to refineries in Free Trade Zones and then directly overseas the US government gets no tax
If democrats had not killed the pipeline all the oil would have been refined in the US

By the Saudis............
I thought it was BP? Either way, so long as it's in America...hiring Americans, paying Americans....I don't care where the company HQ is.

No. Saudi ARAMCO owns Motiva.
Cool...and they are HQed in Houston....and therefore have a number of American employees, and would of had more had Xiden not killed the pipeline

Thanks

Nope.. They may have added two or three additional employees at the refinery .. no signficant numbers.. You ever been to their HQ in Houston? I have .. . many times over many years. You really don't know shit from shinola.
I haven't...I don't see the point of being at the HQ....I just know where it is.

Who knows the numbers of people that would have been needed to load, the tankers, work on the tankers, maintain the tankers etc.

That's all automated in the past 30 years.
Argumento that's true...if the entire process to load tankers is automated the systems still need to be maintained, operated, created...more volume means more need.

It's really a simple concept and your continued deflection from that is rather comical

Volume isn't actually increased much.. They juust want to build another pipeline while they already have unused capacity all over the Midwest. Haven't you been following the Keystone xl lies since 2011?
How much capicity are they using currently? how much more volume?

I have seen the numbers but I don't remember them exactly.

The Keystone xl will attract more tar sand producers bcause it would be easier for the proucers.

How much would Keystone pipeline help US consumers?
Mar 10, 2012 · Less obvious, however, is the fact that the Keystone XL pipeline is not actually needed to bring all that new Canadian oil to the US – a flow now projected to rise to 1.7 million barrels per day by...
 
Even without Keystone XL, U.S. set for record Canadian oil ...

Oil production in western Canada will rise in 2021 to a new record of 4.45 million bpd, RBN Energy estimates, up from 3.9 million bpd in 2020, most of which will be exported to the United States.
 
Trump was punishing China because they were not yielding to the blob's pugnacious manner.
Libs are going to be very good coolies for china after the take over

China caused the virus and didnt tell the world while they scarfed up medical supplies from the shelves and shipped them back home to the CCP

Some 430,000 people flew from China to US after ...
Apr 05, 2020 · In January, when Chinese officials were still underreporting the effect of the outbreak, Trump received push-back for issuing a travel ban, with several Democrats in Congress suggesting it …
If you ship oil frm Canada to refineries in Free Trade Zones and then directly overseas the US government gets no tax
If democrats had not killed the pipeline all the oil would have been refined in the US

By the Saudis............
I thought it was BP? Either way, so long as it's in America...hiring Americans, paying Americans....I don't care where the company HQ is.

No. Saudi ARAMCO owns Motiva.
Cool...and they are HQed in Houston....and therefore have a number of American employees, and would of had more had Xiden not killed the pipeline

Thanks

Nope.. They may have added two or three additional employees at the refinery .. no signficant numbers.. You ever been to their HQ in Houston? I have .. . many times over many years. You really don't know shit from shinola.
I haven't...I don't see the point of being at the HQ....I just know where it is.

Who knows the numbers of people that would have been needed to load, the tankers, work on the tankers, maintain the tankers etc.

I have lifelong ties to the ARAMCO offices in Houston and their earlier NY office.
From the link:

The number of passengers flying directly into the U.S. from China was significantly reduced after President Trump issued a travel ban on Jan. 31 – the day after the World Health Organization declared a global health emergency.

.........

Trump acted properly and responsibly
Trump did not act responsibly. He declared that there was no emergency and that the Dems were perpetrating a hoax. He was punishing China with his vindictiveness. Acting responsibly would have been to close the East coast, and he did not do that.
 
If you ship oil frm Canada to refineries in Free Trade Zones and then directly overseas the US government gets no tax
If democrats had not killed the pipeline all the oil would have been refined in the US

By the Saudis............
I thought it was BP? Either way, so long as it's in America...hiring Americans, paying Americans....I don't care where the company HQ is.

No. Saudi ARAMCO owns Motiva.
Cool...and they are HQed in Houston....and therefore have a number of American employees, and would of had more had Xiden not killed the pipeline

Thanks

Nope.. They may have added two or three additional employees at the refinery .. no signficant numbers.. You ever been to their HQ in Houston? I have .. . many times over many years. You really don't know shit from shinola.
I haven't...I don't see the point of being at the HQ....I just know where it is.

Who knows the numbers of people that would have been needed to load, the tankers, work on the tankers, maintain the tankers etc.

That's all automated in the past 30 years.
Argumento that's true...if the entire process to load tankers is automated the systems still need to be maintained, operated, created...more volume means more need.

It's really a simple concept and your continued deflection from that is rather comical

Volume isn't actually increased much.. They juust want to build another pipeline while they already have unused capacity all over the Midwest. Haven't you been following the Keystone xl lies since 2011?
How much capicity are they using currently? how much more volume?

I have seen the numbers but I don't remember them exactly.

The Keystone xl will attract more tar sand producers bcause it would be easier for the proucers.

How much would Keystone pipeline help US consumers?
Mar 10, 2012 · Less obvious, however, is the fact that the Keystone XL pipeline is not actually needed to bring all that new Canadian oil to the US – a flow now projected to rise to 1.7 million barrels per day by...
your link sort of undermines your argument that it wouldn't produce that much more volume...

it makes the claim that prices would go up in the USA, because of oversupply.
 
Who except you, gives a shit where the covid came from?
The left cares very much that china not be blamed for it
Good point. The left didn't want to follow the science, and wanted to ignore the grim reality of the Chinese Virus....so not to upset their masters in the Chinese Communist Party
Another brilliant uneducated and uninformed deduction from Struth about "grim" realities. Really??
you all supported the chinese travel ban? really? i don’t recall that
Let me refresh your memory about me. I support banning all countries until the covid is under control. I do not support Trump's reason for banning China because he was being vindictive and not productive.
The experts say it was productive...what was he being "vindictive" about? He was in the middle of working out a trade deal with China, one that benefited the USA....
Do the experts say that it was productive? Really? Trump was being vindictive due to China's negotiating tactics and their refusal to bend. He has shown that he is a vindictive guy. His tariffs did not benefit the USA. China made trade deals with some of our allies to their benefit, which gives them influence as our allies benefit. They are now competing favorably with us for world economic influence.
Inflation has taken root due to his trade wars and pandemic.
Yes the experts say it was productive: geez.....do you live under a rock?

Of course the tariffs ended up paying off...and no China didn't make other deals...in fact as a result we saw the largest Ag purchases in China-USA history because of them





Your post couldn't be more wrong...like it was a net zero on being right about anything

POOF!

Asia-Pacific Nations Sign Huge Trade Deal With China While ...



https://www.npr.org › 2020/11/17 › asia-pacific-allies-sig...
Nov 17, 2020 — China and 14 other countries have agreed to set up the trading bloc. ... RCEP unites China, Japan and South Korea in a trade deal for the first time ... RCEP arrives as the coronavirus pandemic is battering member countries' economies. ... and reduce already low tariffs among member countries over time.

Those countries are still going to make individual trade deals with the US that will not involve a super-sized court to impose foreign laws on this country

These trade deals were made with China et. al due to Trump's bullying tactics.

Yes we were able to get the largest in US history Chinese deals for US products because Trump was tough on China....you are welcome

And you are paying 25% more for Chinese products and Canadian lumber, etc.
Our allies that Trump roughed up have moved toward China economically,
which serves to strengthen China's influence. Smooth move, ex-lax.
The price of American farm products is rising as much as 30% for Americans.


The tariffs with Canada have been lifted, after Trump was successful in getting rid of NAFTA and got a better deal...we are however paying a lot more of lumber since Xiden took office...all lumber

China's tariffs got us the historic purchases of American Ag...that's win....Xiden hasn't lifted them yet, because apparently they are working.

What allies?

You are correct for a change, but the tariffs were not reduced until December, 2020. They were not lifted. Canadian lumber is still expensive.
China's "historic" purchases of American agriculture have resulted in price increases of up to 30% for Americans due to a lack of productivity. Once again The blob did not consider the unintended consequences of his actions.
As far as your "what allies?" question, you should seriously consider researching the subjects that you flap about so that you get a feel for the big picture.

America is not the only country that is the target of chinese mercantilism

Australian farmers are feeling the wrath of china and you cant blame that on trump

What libs like you do not understand is that free trade with china under the guise of globalism is bad for America

"libs like me" understand that diplomacy gets you further than a kick in the ass.

Before Trump your “diplomatic” approach was greasing the skids of chinese expansion while destroying the American middle class

Trump's "tough guy, locked and loaded" approach got him nada, zilch, kaputsky,
niet.

now you are just trolling...it's been shown to you we got the largest ag purchases in US history from China because of it, and we also know, from your Dear Leader Xiden, that we got a better trade deal with Mexico and Canada because of it.

So just stop already

No, Lambchop. I said that because China has bought all farm products that are available. There is now a shortage of farm products, resulting in a 30% increase in prices for Americans buying those products. Many on this site acknowledge an increase in prices at the supermarket level, and I gave you the reason. Again, do some research before flapping in the breeze. This is an unintended consequence of the blob's lack of experience in foreign affairs and reliance on his "gut" too much rather than advice from experts. The blob did not know what he did not know. He just used his "gut". We finally have a leader who "walks softly and carries a big stick". Very necessary in this day and age rather than the "locked and loaded", bull in a china shop approach.

hahaha

ok first it was Trump screwed things up with China...then it was highlighted that actually because of his tough dealings with China we ended up with the largest purchases ever....now it's well they bought everything and now we have a shortage, and therefore that's why the cost of food has gone up....hahahah

I get it...you are fishing and trolling.

The cost of food is rising this year due to a few things...
1) the china virus and lockdowns....there were less people working and food processing plants
2) transportation due to lockdowns was slown down
3) More demand at the grocery store...people were eating more at home..thus the market respond to the demand
4) Xiden and the Dems winning, and producers planning for higher taxes.

Supply isn't an issue...farmers literally had to throw things away due to the Chinese Virus.


Trump liked to shoot from the hip.. He rarely (or never) knew anything about the subject.

India is in the throws of a horrible Covid surge.


Whatever...he certainly got it to work with China, Canada and Mexico

Yeah that's too bad about India....it's tragic that Xiden's xenophobia and bigotry towards India has lead to that....sadly it took public shaming for him to actually do something and send them some vaccine.

You need to take a time out. The covid is the bigot. Public shaming? Like you care about India, yes?

Nope, the Chinese is virus is merely a virus...it doesn't care about your race...Xiden is the bigot




Yes, I care about India...I care about people. I am not a racist bigot like your Dear Leader Chairman Xiden.


India is having a severe third wave of covid. .. and India is racing to save people.. They won't be traveling anywhere until the virus is on the wane.. That's not racism, moron... That's how you deal with epidemics.

Xiden said travel bans where xenophobic

If you remember, his comment was made when the blob ordered the ban on China very early in the pandemic cycle, before it hit like a cyclone. Biden was mistaken, and it is ok, so stop hanging your hat on it because he is doing the right thing. Trump was punishing China because they were not yielding to the blob's pugnacious manner.
I know that you have "deep" feelings for India all of a sudden and this a good blog for crying.

Yep...Xiden would have let more people die to protect his Chairman and Puppet masters in China.


By avoiding foreign travelers from covid hot spots?

No, by not issuing the travel ban from China because he said it was xenophobic.

So the question is now, if he thought it was xenophobic, why is he doing it to India? and given his much documented bigotry towards Indians...there seems to be only one logical conclusion...he's a bigot

Biden thought it was xenophobic and he was wrong about the blob's action as I explained. We all know how vindictive the blob is when he doesn't get his way.

Trump's vindictive for putting a travel ban on a country where a virus raging the nation, and where it started.....but Xiden isn't for shooting from the hip and calling the President xenophobic for doing it? Odd

Odd in your mind only.
 
If you ship oil frm Canada to refineries in Free Trade Zones and then directly overseas the US government gets no tax
If democrats had not killed the pipeline all the oil would have been refined in the US

By the Saudis............
I thought it was BP? Either way, so long as it's in America...hiring Americans, paying Americans....I don't care where the company HQ is.

No. Saudi ARAMCO owns Motiva.
Cool...and they are HQed in Houston....and therefore have a number of American employees, and would of had more had Xiden not killed the pipeline

Thanks

Nope.. They may have added two or three additional employees at the refinery .. no signficant numbers.. You ever been to their HQ in Houston? I have .. . many times over many years. You really don't know shit from shinola.
I haven't...I don't see the point of being at the HQ....I just know where it is.

Who knows the numbers of people that would have been needed to load, the tankers, work on the tankers, maintain the tankers etc.

That's all automated in the past 30 years.
Argumento that's true...if the entire process to load tankers is automated the systems still need to be maintained, operated, created...more volume means more need.

It's really a simple concept and your continued deflection from that is rather comical

Volume isn't actually increased much.. They juust want to build another pipeline while they already have unused capacity all over the Midwest. Haven't you been following the Keystone xl lies since 2011?
How much capicity are they using currently? how much more volume?

I have seen the numbers but I don't remember them exactly.

The Keystone xl will attract more tar sand producers bcause it would be easier for the proucers.

How much would Keystone pipeline help US consumers?
Mar 10, 2012 · Less obvious, however, is the fact that the Keystone XL pipeline is not actually needed to bring all that new Canadian oil to the US – a flow now projected to rise to 1.7 million barrels per day by...
your link sort of undermines your argument that it wouldn't produce that much more volume...

it makes the claim that prices would go up in the USA, because of oversupply.

Canadian tar sands are really corrosive sludge .. nobody really wants it so its deeply discounted to the US. It probably does cost more to refine.

Don't know about oversupply causing prices to increase .. Storing oil above ground is a real loser's proposition. You have to realize none of that is going to be sold in the US anyway.. and they will by-pass the Mid West refineried that were retrofitted to deal with tar sands..
 
Who except you, gives a shit where the covid came from?
The left cares very much that china not be blamed for it
Good point. The left didn't want to follow the science, and wanted to ignore the grim reality of the Chinese Virus....so not to upset their masters in the Chinese Communist Party
Another brilliant uneducated and uninformed deduction from Struth about "grim" realities. Really??
you all supported the chinese travel ban? really? i don’t recall that
Let me refresh your memory about me. I support banning all countries until the covid is under control. I do not support Trump's reason for banning China because he was being vindictive and not productive.
The experts say it was productive...what was he being "vindictive" about? He was in the middle of working out a trade deal with China, one that benefited the USA....
Do the experts say that it was productive? Really? Trump was being vindictive due to China's negotiating tactics and their refusal to bend. He has shown that he is a vindictive guy. His tariffs did not benefit the USA. China made trade deals with some of our allies to their benefit, which gives them influence as our allies benefit. They are now competing favorably with us for world economic influence.
Inflation has taken root due to his trade wars and pandemic.
Yes the experts say it was productive: geez.....do you live under a rock?

Of course the tariffs ended up paying off...and no China didn't make other deals...in fact as a result we saw the largest Ag purchases in China-USA history because of them





Your post couldn't be more wrong...like it was a net zero on being right about anything

POOF!

Asia-Pacific Nations Sign Huge Trade Deal With China While ...



https://www.npr.org › 2020/11/17 › asia-pacific-allies-sig...
Nov 17, 2020 — China and 14 other countries have agreed to set up the trading bloc. ... RCEP unites China, Japan and South Korea in a trade deal for the first time ... RCEP arrives as the coronavirus pandemic is battering member countries' economies. ... and reduce already low tariffs among member countries over time.

Those countries are still going to make individual trade deals with the US that will not involve a super-sized court to impose foreign laws on this country

These trade deals were made with China et. al due to Trump's bullying tactics.

Yes we were able to get the largest in US history Chinese deals for US products because Trump was tough on China....you are welcome

And you are paying 25% more for Chinese products and Canadian lumber, etc.
Our allies that Trump roughed up have moved toward China economically,
which serves to strengthen China's influence. Smooth move, ex-lax.
The price of American farm products is rising as much as 30% for Americans.


The tariffs with Canada have been lifted, after Trump was successful in getting rid of NAFTA and got a better deal...we are however paying a lot more of lumber since Xiden took office...all lumber

China's tariffs got us the historic purchases of American Ag...that's win....Xiden hasn't lifted them yet, because apparently they are working.

What allies?

You are correct for a change, but the tariffs were not reduced until December, 2020. They were not lifted. Canadian lumber is still expensive.
China's "historic" purchases of American agriculture have resulted in price increases of up to 30% for Americans due to a lack of productivity. Once again The blob did not consider the unintended consequences of his actions.
As far as your "what allies?" question, you should seriously consider researching the subjects that you flap about so that you get a feel for the big picture.

America is not the only country that is the target of chinese mercantilism

Australian farmers are feeling the wrath of china and you cant blame that on trump

What libs like you do not understand is that free trade with china under the guise of globalism is bad for America

"libs like me" understand that diplomacy gets you further than a kick in the ass.

Before Trump your “diplomatic” approach was greasing the skids of chinese expansion while destroying the American middle class

Trump's "tough guy, locked and loaded" approach got him nada, zilch, kaputsky,
niet.

now you are just trolling...it's been shown to you we got the largest ag purchases in US history from China because of it, and we also know, from your Dear Leader Xiden, that we got a better trade deal with Mexico and Canada because of it.

So just stop already

No, Lambchop. I said that because China has bought all farm products that are available. There is now a shortage of farm products, resulting in a 30% increase in prices for Americans buying those products. Many on this site acknowledge an increase in prices at the supermarket level, and I gave you the reason. Again, do some research before flapping in the breeze. This is an unintended consequence of the blob's lack of experience in foreign affairs and reliance on his "gut" too much rather than advice from experts. The blob did not know what he did not know. He just used his "gut". We finally have a leader who "walks softly and carries a big stick". Very necessary in this day and age rather than the "locked and loaded", bull in a china shop approach.

hahaha

ok first it was Trump screwed things up with China...then it was highlighted that actually because of his tough dealings with China we ended up with the largest purchases ever....now it's well they bought everything and now we have a shortage, and therefore that's why the cost of food has gone up....hahahah

I get it...you are fishing and trolling.

The cost of food is rising this year due to a few things...
1) the china virus and lockdowns....there were less people working and food processing plants
2) transportation due to lockdowns was slown down
3) More demand at the grocery store...people were eating more at home..thus the market respond to the demand
4) Xiden and the Dems winning, and producers planning for higher taxes.

Supply isn't an issue...farmers literally had to throw things away due to the Chinese Virus.


Trump liked to shoot from the hip.. He rarely (or never) knew anything about the subject.

India is in the throws of a horrible Covid surge.


Whatever...he certainly got it to work with China, Canada and Mexico

Yeah that's too bad about India....it's tragic that Xiden's xenophobia and bigotry towards India has lead to that....sadly it took public shaming for him to actually do something and send them some vaccine.

You need to take a time out. The covid is the bigot. Public shaming? Like you care about India, yes?

Nope, the Chinese is virus is merely a virus...it doesn't care about your race...Xiden is the bigot




Yes, I care about India...I care about people. I am not a racist bigot like your Dear Leader Chairman Xiden.


India is having a severe third wave of covid. .. and India is racing to save people.. They won't be traveling anywhere until the virus is on the wane.. That's not racism, moron... That's how you deal with epidemics.

Xiden said travel bans where xenophobic

If you remember, his comment was made when the blob ordered the ban on China very early in the pandemic cycle, before it hit like a cyclone. Biden was mistaken, and it is ok, so stop hanging your hat on it because he is doing the right thing. Trump was punishing China because they were not yielding to the blob's pugnacious manner.
I know that you have "deep" feelings for India all of a sudden and this a good blog for crying.

Yep...Xiden would have let more people die to protect his Chairman and Puppet masters in China.


By avoiding foreign travelers from covid hot spots?

No, by not issuing the travel ban from China because he said it was xenophobic.

So the question is now, if he thought it was xenophobic, why is he doing it to India? and given his much documented bigotry towards Indians...there seems to be only one logical conclusion...he's a bigot

Biden thought it was xenophobic and he was wrong about the blob's action as I explained. We all know how vindictive the blob is when he doesn't get his way.

Trump's vindictive for putting a travel ban on a country where a virus raging the nation, and where it started.....but Xiden isn't for shooting from the hip and calling the President xenophobic for doing it? Odd

Odd in your mind only.


See post 202.
 
He declared that there was no emergency and that the Dems were perpetrating a hoax.
You are garbling up events and misstating them

Trump never called the chinese virus a hoax

But did call much of the ongoing media hysteria a hoax

We were never in danger of dying by the millions

and the extreme totalitarian measures adopted by the blue state baby hitlers were never needed
 
Who except you, gives a shit where the covid came from?
The left cares very much that china not be blamed for it
Good point. The left didn't want to follow the science, and wanted to ignore the grim reality of the Chinese Virus....so not to upset their masters in the Chinese Communist Party
Another brilliant uneducated and uninformed deduction from Struth about "grim" realities. Really??
you all supported the chinese travel ban? really? i don’t recall that
Let me refresh your memory about me. I support banning all countries until the covid is under control. I do not support Trump's reason for banning China because he was being vindictive and not productive.
The experts say it was productive...what was he being "vindictive" about? He was in the middle of working out a trade deal with China, one that benefited the USA....
Do the experts say that it was productive? Really? Trump was being vindictive due to China's negotiating tactics and their refusal to bend. He has shown that he is a vindictive guy. His tariffs did not benefit the USA. China made trade deals with some of our allies to their benefit, which gives them influence as our allies benefit. They are now competing favorably with us for world economic influence.
Inflation has taken root due to his trade wars and pandemic.
Yes the experts say it was productive: geez.....do you live under a rock?

Of course the tariffs ended up paying off...and no China didn't make other deals...in fact as a result we saw the largest Ag purchases in China-USA history because of them





Your post couldn't be more wrong...like it was a net zero on being right about anything

POOF!

Asia-Pacific Nations Sign Huge Trade Deal With China While ...



https://www.npr.org › 2020/11/17 › asia-pacific-allies-sig...
Nov 17, 2020 — China and 14 other countries have agreed to set up the trading bloc. ... RCEP unites China, Japan and South Korea in a trade deal for the first time ... RCEP arrives as the coronavirus pandemic is battering member countries' economies. ... and reduce already low tariffs among member countries over time.

Those countries are still going to make individual trade deals with the US that will not involve a super-sized court to impose foreign laws on this country

These trade deals were made with China et. al due to Trump's bullying tactics.

Yes we were able to get the largest in US history Chinese deals for US products because Trump was tough on China....you are welcome

And you are paying 25% more for Chinese products and Canadian lumber, etc.
Our allies that Trump roughed up have moved toward China economically,
which serves to strengthen China's influence. Smooth move, ex-lax.
The price of American farm products is rising as much as 30% for Americans.


The tariffs with Canada have been lifted, after Trump was successful in getting rid of NAFTA and got a better deal...we are however paying a lot more of lumber since Xiden took office...all lumber

China's tariffs got us the historic purchases of American Ag...that's win....Xiden hasn't lifted them yet, because apparently they are working.

What allies?

You are correct for a change, but the tariffs were not reduced until December, 2020. They were not lifted. Canadian lumber is still expensive.
China's "historic" purchases of American agriculture have resulted in price increases of up to 30% for Americans due to a lack of productivity. Once again The blob did not consider the unintended consequences of his actions.
As far as your "what allies?" question, you should seriously consider researching the subjects that you flap about so that you get a feel for the big picture.

America is not the only country that is the target of chinese mercantilism

Australian farmers are feeling the wrath of china and you cant blame that on trump

What libs like you do not understand is that free trade with china under the guise of globalism is bad for America

"libs like me" understand that diplomacy gets you further than a kick in the ass.

Before Trump your “diplomatic” approach was greasing the skids of chinese expansion while destroying the American middle class

Trump's "tough guy, locked and loaded" approach got him nada, zilch, kaputsky,
niet.

now you are just trolling...it's been shown to you we got the largest ag purchases in US history from China because of it, and we also know, from your Dear Leader Xiden, that we got a better trade deal with Mexico and Canada because of it.

So just stop already

No, Lambchop. I said that because China has bought all farm products that are available. There is now a shortage of farm products, resulting in a 30% increase in prices for Americans buying those products. Many on this site acknowledge an increase in prices at the supermarket level, and I gave you the reason. Again, do some research before flapping in the breeze. This is an unintended consequence of the blob's lack of experience in foreign affairs and reliance on his "gut" too much rather than advice from experts. The blob did not know what he did not know. He just used his "gut". We finally have a leader who "walks softly and carries a big stick". Very necessary in this day and age rather than the "locked and loaded", bull in a china shop approach.

hahaha

ok first it was Trump screwed things up with China...then it was highlighted that actually because of his tough dealings with China we ended up with the largest purchases ever....now it's well they bought everything and now we have a shortage, and therefore that's why the cost of food has gone up....hahahah

I get it...you are fishing and trolling.

The cost of food is rising this year due to a few things...
1) the china virus and lockdowns....there were less people working and food processing plants
2) transportation due to lockdowns was slown down
3) More demand at the grocery store...people were eating more at home..thus the market respond to the demand
4) Xiden and the Dems winning, and producers planning for higher taxes.

Supply isn't an issue...farmers literally had to throw things away due to the Chinese Virus.


Trump liked to shoot from the hip.. He rarely (or never) knew anything about the subject.

India is in the throws of a horrible Covid surge.


Whatever...he certainly got it to work with China, Canada and Mexico

Yeah that's too bad about India....it's tragic that Xiden's xenophobia and bigotry towards India has lead to that....sadly it took public shaming for him to actually do something and send them some vaccine.

You need to take a time out. The covid is the bigot. Public shaming? Like you care about India, yes?

Nope, the Chinese is virus is merely a virus...it doesn't care about your race...Xiden is the bigot




Yes, I care about India...I care about people. I am not a racist bigot like your Dear Leader Chairman Xiden.


India is having a severe third wave of covid. .. and India is racing to save people.. They won't be traveling anywhere until the virus is on the wane.. That's not racism, moron... That's how you deal with epidemics.

Xiden said travel bans where xenophobic

If you remember, his comment was made when the blob ordered the ban on China very early in the pandemic cycle, before it hit like a cyclone. Biden was mistaken, and it is ok, so stop hanging your hat on it because he is doing the right thing. Trump was punishing China because they were not yielding to the blob's pugnacious manner.
I know that you have "deep" feelings for India all of a sudden and this a good blog for crying.

Yep...Xiden would have let more people die to protect his Chairman and Puppet masters in China.


By avoiding foreign travelers from covid hot spots?

No, by not issuing the travel ban from China because he said it was xenophobic.

So the question is now, if he thought it was xenophobic, why is he doing it to India? and given his much documented bigotry towards Indians...there seems to be only one logical conclusion...he's a bigot

Biden thought it was xenophobic and he was wrong about the blob's action as I explained. We all know how vindictive the blob is when he doesn't get his way.

Trump's vindictive for putting a travel ban on a country where a virus raging the nation, and where it started.....but Xiden isn't for shooting from the hip and calling the President xenophobic for doing it? Odd

Odd in your mind only.

and not surprising it's perfectly rational to a dembot mind
 
If you ship oil frm Canada to refineries in Free Trade Zones and then directly overseas the US government gets no tax
If democrats had not killed the pipeline all the oil would have been refined in the US

By the Saudis............
I thought it was BP? Either way, so long as it's in America...hiring Americans, paying Americans....I don't care where the company HQ is.

No. Saudi ARAMCO owns Motiva.
Cool...and they are HQed in Houston....and therefore have a number of American employees, and would of had more had Xiden not killed the pipeline

Thanks

Nope.. They may have added two or three additional employees at the refinery .. no signficant numbers.. You ever been to their HQ in Houston? I have .. . many times over many years. You really don't know shit from shinola.
I haven't...I don't see the point of being at the HQ....I just know where it is.

Who knows the numbers of people that would have been needed to load, the tankers, work on the tankers, maintain the tankers etc.

That's all automated in the past 30 years.
Argumento that's true...if the entire process to load tankers is automated the systems still need to be maintained, operated, created...more volume means more need.

It's really a simple concept and your continued deflection from that is rather comical

Volume isn't actually increased much.. They juust want to build another pipeline while they already have unused capacity all over the Midwest. Haven't you been following the Keystone xl lies since 2011?
How much capicity are they using currently? how much more volume?

I have seen the numbers but I don't remember them exactly.

The Keystone xl will attract more tar sand producers bcause it would be easier for the proucers.

How much would Keystone pipeline help US consumers?
Mar 10, 2012 · Less obvious, however, is the fact that the Keystone XL pipeline is not actually needed to bring all that new Canadian oil to the US – a flow now projected to rise to 1.7 million barrels per day by...
your link sort of undermines your argument that it wouldn't produce that much more volume...

it makes the claim that prices would go up in the USA, because of oversupply.

Canadian tar sands are really corrosive sludge .. nobody really wants it so its deeply discounted to the US. It probably does cost more to refine.

Don't know about oversupply causing prices to increase .. Storing oil above ground is a real loser's proposition. You have to realize none of that is going to be sold in the US anyway.. and they will by-pass the Mid West refineried that were retrofitted to deal with tar sands..
Your link said that oversupply caused prices to increase.

Your own link
 
He declared that there was no emergency and that the Dems were perpetrating a hoax.
You are garbling up events and misstating them

Trump never called the chinese virus a hoax

But did call much of the ongoing media hysteria a hoax

We were never in danger of dying by the millions

and the extreme totalitarian measures adopted by the blue state baby hitlers were never needed
I never said that Trump called the covid a hoax. He said that the Dems were perpetrating a hoax and that the virus wouldn't come here because he had it under control.
Not only were the covid measures needed, but they saved many lives and sicknesses throughout the world. If you believe differently, you also believe in the fairy godmother.
 
Who except you, gives a shit where the covid came from?
The left cares very much that china not be blamed for it
Good point. The left didn't want to follow the science, and wanted to ignore the grim reality of the Chinese Virus....so not to upset their masters in the Chinese Communist Party
Another brilliant uneducated and uninformed deduction from Struth about "grim" realities. Really??
you all supported the chinese travel ban? really? i don’t recall that
Let me refresh your memory about me. I support banning all countries until the covid is under control. I do not support Trump's reason for banning China because he was being vindictive and not productive.
The experts say it was productive...what was he being "vindictive" about? He was in the middle of working out a trade deal with China, one that benefited the USA....
Do the experts say that it was productive? Really? Trump was being vindictive due to China's negotiating tactics and their refusal to bend. He has shown that he is a vindictive guy. His tariffs did not benefit the USA. China made trade deals with some of our allies to their benefit, which gives them influence as our allies benefit. They are now competing favorably with us for world economic influence.
Inflation has taken root due to his trade wars and pandemic.
Yes the experts say it was productive: geez.....do you live under a rock?

Of course the tariffs ended up paying off...and no China didn't make other deals...in fact as a result we saw the largest Ag purchases in China-USA history because of them





Your post couldn't be more wrong...like it was a net zero on being right about anything

POOF!

Asia-Pacific Nations Sign Huge Trade Deal With China While ...



https://www.npr.org › 2020/11/17 › asia-pacific-allies-sig...
Nov 17, 2020 — China and 14 other countries have agreed to set up the trading bloc. ... RCEP unites China, Japan and South Korea in a trade deal for the first time ... RCEP arrives as the coronavirus pandemic is battering member countries' economies. ... and reduce already low tariffs among member countries over time.

Those countries are still going to make individual trade deals with the US that will not involve a super-sized court to impose foreign laws on this country

These trade deals were made with China et. al due to Trump's bullying tactics.

Yes we were able to get the largest in US history Chinese deals for US products because Trump was tough on China....you are welcome

And you are paying 25% more for Chinese products and Canadian lumber, etc.
Our allies that Trump roughed up have moved toward China economically,
which serves to strengthen China's influence. Smooth move, ex-lax.
The price of American farm products is rising as much as 30% for Americans.


The tariffs with Canada have been lifted, after Trump was successful in getting rid of NAFTA and got a better deal...we are however paying a lot more of lumber since Xiden took office...all lumber

China's tariffs got us the historic purchases of American Ag...that's win....Xiden hasn't lifted them yet, because apparently they are working.

What allies?

You are correct for a change, but the tariffs were not reduced until December, 2020. They were not lifted. Canadian lumber is still expensive.
China's "historic" purchases of American agriculture have resulted in price increases of up to 30% for Americans due to a lack of productivity. Once again The blob did not consider the unintended consequences of his actions.
As far as your "what allies?" question, you should seriously consider researching the subjects that you flap about so that you get a feel for the big picture.

America is not the only country that is the target of chinese mercantilism

Australian farmers are feeling the wrath of china and you cant blame that on trump

What libs like you do not understand is that free trade with china under the guise of globalism is bad for America

"libs like me" understand that diplomacy gets you further than a kick in the ass.

Before Trump your “diplomatic” approach was greasing the skids of chinese expansion while destroying the American middle class

Trump's "tough guy, locked and loaded" approach got him nada, zilch, kaputsky,
niet.

now you are just trolling...it's been shown to you we got the largest ag purchases in US history from China because of it, and we also know, from your Dear Leader Xiden, that we got a better trade deal with Mexico and Canada because of it.

So just stop already

No, Lambchop. I said that because China has bought all farm products that are available. There is now a shortage of farm products, resulting in a 30% increase in prices for Americans buying those products. Many on this site acknowledge an increase in prices at the supermarket level, and I gave you the reason. Again, do some research before flapping in the breeze. This is an unintended consequence of the blob's lack of experience in foreign affairs and reliance on his "gut" too much rather than advice from experts. The blob did not know what he did not know. He just used his "gut". We finally have a leader who "walks softly and carries a big stick". Very necessary in this day and age rather than the "locked and loaded", bull in a china shop approach.

hahaha

ok first it was Trump screwed things up with China...then it was highlighted that actually because of his tough dealings with China we ended up with the largest purchases ever....now it's well they bought everything and now we have a shortage, and therefore that's why the cost of food has gone up....hahahah

I get it...you are fishing and trolling.

The cost of food is rising this year due to a few things...
1) the china virus and lockdowns....there were less people working and food processing plants
2) transportation due to lockdowns was slown down
3) More demand at the grocery store...people were eating more at home..thus the market respond to the demand
4) Xiden and the Dems winning, and producers planning for higher taxes.

Supply isn't an issue...farmers literally had to throw things away due to the Chinese Virus.


Trump liked to shoot from the hip.. He rarely (or never) knew anything about the subject.

India is in the throws of a horrible Covid surge.


Whatever...he certainly got it to work with China, Canada and Mexico

Yeah that's too bad about India....it's tragic that Xiden's xenophobia and bigotry towards India has lead to that....sadly it took public shaming for him to actually do something and send them some vaccine.

You need to take a time out. The covid is the bigot. Public shaming? Like you care about India, yes?

Nope, the Chinese is virus is merely a virus...it doesn't care about your race...Xiden is the bigot




Yes, I care about India...I care about people. I am not a racist bigot like your Dear Leader Chairman Xiden.


India is having a severe third wave of covid. .. and India is racing to save people.. They won't be traveling anywhere until the virus is on the wane.. That's not racism, moron... That's how you deal with epidemics.

Xiden said travel bans where xenophobic

If you remember, his comment was made when the blob ordered the ban on China very early in the pandemic cycle, before it hit like a cyclone. Biden was mistaken, and it is ok, so stop hanging your hat on it because he is doing the right thing. Trump was punishing China because they were not yielding to the blob's pugnacious manner.
I know that you have "deep" feelings for India all of a sudden and this a good blog for crying.

Yep...Xiden would have let more people die to protect his Chairman and Puppet masters in China.


By avoiding foreign travelers from covid hot spots?

No, by not issuing the travel ban from China because he said it was xenophobic.

So the question is now, if he thought it was xenophobic, why is he doing it to India? and given his much documented bigotry towards Indians...there seems to be only one logical conclusion...he's a bigot

Biden thought it was xenophobic and he was wrong about the blob's action as I explained. We all know how vindictive the blob is when he doesn't get his way.

Trump's vindictive for putting a travel ban on a country where a virus raging the nation, and where it started.....but Xiden isn't for shooting from the hip and calling the President xenophobic for doing it? Odd

Odd in your mind only.

and not surprising it's perfectly rational to a dembot mind

It is rational to any intelligent person and the blob has responded in a vindictive manner and is still responding in a vindictive manner. That is what you like about him--the simpleton trump acting out.
 
If you ship oil frm Canada to refineries in Free Trade Zones and then directly overseas the US government gets no tax
If democrats had not killed the pipeline all the oil would have been refined in the US

By the Saudis............
I thought it was BP? Either way, so long as it's in America...hiring Americans, paying Americans....I don't care where the company HQ is.

No. Saudi ARAMCO owns Motiva.
Cool...and they are HQed in Houston....and therefore have a number of American employees, and would of had more had Xiden not killed the pipeline

Thanks

Nope.. They may have added two or three additional employees at the refinery .. no signficant numbers.. You ever been to their HQ in Houston? I have .. . many times over many years. You really don't know shit from shinola.
I haven't...I don't see the point of being at the HQ....I just know where it is.

Who knows the numbers of people that would have been needed to load, the tankers, work on the tankers, maintain the tankers etc.

That's all automated in the past 30 years.
Argumento that's true...if the entire process to load tankers is automated the systems still need to be maintained, operated, created...more volume means more need.

It's really a simple concept and your continued deflection from that is rather comical

Volume isn't actually increased much.. They juust want to build another pipeline while they already have unused capacity all over the Midwest. Haven't you been following the Keystone xl lies since 2011?
How much capicity are they using currently? how much more volume?

I have seen the numbers but I don't remember them exactly.

The Keystone xl will attract more tar sand producers bcause it would be easier for the proucers.

How much would Keystone pipeline help US consumers?
Mar 10, 2012 · Less obvious, however, is the fact that the Keystone XL pipeline is not actually needed to bring all that new Canadian oil to the US – a flow now projected to rise to 1.7 million barrels per day by...
your link sort of undermines your argument that it wouldn't produce that much more volume...

it makes the claim that prices would go up in the USA, because of oversupply.

Canadian tar sands are really corrosive sludge .. nobody really wants it so its deeply discounted to the US. It probably does cost more to refine.

Don't know about oversupply causing prices to increase .. Storing oil above ground is a real loser's proposition. You have to realize none of that is going to be sold in the US anyway.. and they will by-pass the Mid West refineried that were retrofitted to deal with tar sands..
Your link said that oversupply caused prices to increase.

Your own link

We just discussed that. It won't cause an oversupply in the US. Gasoline in the US is still a bargain.. prices at the pump haven't kept up with housing costs or college costs or healthcare or automobile prices.
 
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Who except you, gives a shit where the covid came from?
The left cares very much that china not be blamed for it
Good point. The left didn't want to follow the science, and wanted to ignore the grim reality of the Chinese Virus....so not to upset their masters in the Chinese Communist Party
Another brilliant uneducated and uninformed deduction from Struth about "grim" realities. Really??
you all supported the chinese travel ban? really? i don’t recall that
Let me refresh your memory about me. I support banning all countries until the covid is under control. I do not support Trump's reason for banning China because he was being vindictive and not productive.
The experts say it was productive...what was he being "vindictive" about? He was in the middle of working out a trade deal with China, one that benefited the USA....
Do the experts say that it was productive? Really? Trump was being vindictive due to China's negotiating tactics and their refusal to bend. He has shown that he is a vindictive guy. His tariffs did not benefit the USA. China made trade deals with some of our allies to their benefit, which gives them influence as our allies benefit. They are now competing favorably with us for world economic influence.
Inflation has taken root due to his trade wars and pandemic.
Yes the experts say it was productive: geez.....do you live under a rock?

Of course the tariffs ended up paying off...and no China didn't make other deals...in fact as a result we saw the largest Ag purchases in China-USA history because of them





Your post couldn't be more wrong...like it was a net zero on being right about anything

POOF!

Asia-Pacific Nations Sign Huge Trade Deal With China While ...



https://www.npr.org › 2020/11/17 › asia-pacific-allies-sig...
Nov 17, 2020 — China and 14 other countries have agreed to set up the trading bloc. ... RCEP unites China, Japan and South Korea in a trade deal for the first time ... RCEP arrives as the coronavirus pandemic is battering member countries' economies. ... and reduce already low tariffs among member countries over time.

Those countries are still going to make individual trade deals with the US that will not involve a super-sized court to impose foreign laws on this country

These trade deals were made with China et. al due to Trump's bullying tactics.

Yes we were able to get the largest in US history Chinese deals for US products because Trump was tough on China....you are welcome

And you are paying 25% more for Chinese products and Canadian lumber, etc.
Our allies that Trump roughed up have moved toward China economically,
which serves to strengthen China's influence. Smooth move, ex-lax.
The price of American farm products is rising as much as 30% for Americans.


The tariffs with Canada have been lifted, after Trump was successful in getting rid of NAFTA and got a better deal...we are however paying a lot more of lumber since Xiden took office...all lumber

China's tariffs got us the historic purchases of American Ag...that's win....Xiden hasn't lifted them yet, because apparently they are working.

What allies?

You are correct for a change, but the tariffs were not reduced until December, 2020. They were not lifted. Canadian lumber is still expensive.
China's "historic" purchases of American agriculture have resulted in price increases of up to 30% for Americans due to a lack of productivity. Once again The blob did not consider the unintended consequences of his actions.
As far as your "what allies?" question, you should seriously consider researching the subjects that you flap about so that you get a feel for the big picture.

America is not the only country that is the target of chinese mercantilism

Australian farmers are feeling the wrath of china and you cant blame that on trump

What libs like you do not understand is that free trade with china under the guise of globalism is bad for America

"libs like me" understand that diplomacy gets you further than a kick in the ass.

Before Trump your “diplomatic” approach was greasing the skids of chinese expansion while destroying the American middle class

Trump's "tough guy, locked and loaded" approach got him nada, zilch, kaputsky,
niet.

now you are just trolling...it's been shown to you we got the largest ag purchases in US history from China because of it, and we also know, from your Dear Leader Xiden, that we got a better trade deal with Mexico and Canada because of it.

So just stop already

No, Lambchop. I said that because China has bought all farm products that are available. There is now a shortage of farm products, resulting in a 30% increase in prices for Americans buying those products. Many on this site acknowledge an increase in prices at the supermarket level, and I gave you the reason. Again, do some research before flapping in the breeze. This is an unintended consequence of the blob's lack of experience in foreign affairs and reliance on his "gut" too much rather than advice from experts. The blob did not know what he did not know. He just used his "gut". We finally have a leader who "walks softly and carries a big stick". Very necessary in this day and age rather than the "locked and loaded", bull in a china shop approach.

hahaha

ok first it was Trump screwed things up with China...then it was highlighted that actually because of his tough dealings with China we ended up with the largest purchases ever....now it's well they bought everything and now we have a shortage, and therefore that's why the cost of food has gone up....hahahah

I get it...you are fishing and trolling.

The cost of food is rising this year due to a few things...
1) the china virus and lockdowns....there were less people working and food processing plants
2) transportation due to lockdowns was slown down
3) More demand at the grocery store...people were eating more at home..thus the market respond to the demand
4) Xiden and the Dems winning, and producers planning for higher taxes.

Supply isn't an issue...farmers literally had to throw things away due to the Chinese Virus.


Trump liked to shoot from the hip.. He rarely (or never) knew anything about the subject.

India is in the throws of a horrible Covid surge.


Whatever...he certainly got it to work with China, Canada and Mexico

Yeah that's too bad about India....it's tragic that Xiden's xenophobia and bigotry towards India has lead to that....sadly it took public shaming for him to actually do something and send them some vaccine.

You need to take a time out. The covid is the bigot. Public shaming? Like you care about India, yes?

Nope, the Chinese is virus is merely a virus...it doesn't care about your race...Xiden is the bigot




Yes, I care about India...I care about people. I am not a racist bigot like your Dear Leader Chairman Xiden.


India is having a severe third wave of covid. .. and India is racing to save people.. They won't be traveling anywhere until the virus is on the wane.. That's not racism, moron... That's how you deal with epidemics.

Xiden said travel bans where xenophobic

If you remember, his comment was made when the blob ordered the ban on China very early in the pandemic cycle, before it hit like a cyclone. Biden was mistaken, and it is ok, so stop hanging your hat on it because he is doing the right thing. Trump was punishing China because they were not yielding to the blob's pugnacious manner.
I know that you have "deep" feelings for India all of a sudden and this a good blog for crying.

Yep...Xiden would have let more people die to protect his Chairman and Puppet masters in China.


By avoiding foreign travelers from covid hot spots?

No, by not issuing the travel ban from China because he said it was xenophobic.

So the question is now, if he thought it was xenophobic, why is he doing it to India? and given his much documented bigotry towards Indians...there seems to be only one logical conclusion...he's a bigot

Biden thought it was xenophobic and he was wrong about the blob's action as I explained. We all know how vindictive the blob is when he doesn't get his way.

Trump's vindictive for putting a travel ban on a country where a virus raging the nation, and where it started.....but Xiden isn't for shooting from the hip and calling the President xenophobic for doing it? Odd

Odd in your mind only.

and not surprising it's perfectly rational to a dembot mind

It is rational to any intelligent person and the blob has responded in a vindictive manner and is still responding in a vindictive manner. That is what you like about him--the simpleton trump acting out.

How was he being vindictive when he banned travel from China during the Chinese VIrus outbreak?

I like the fact he responded quickly and put that ban in place.

It seemed rather petty and vindictive for Xiden, Nancy P and others Dems and the propgandist to call that xenophobic and racist. It seemed they'd rather attack the President personally then save lives. Sad...really sad...but that's why folks likeself yourself vote for those sort people
 
If you ship oil frm Canada to refineries in Free Trade Zones and then directly overseas the US government gets no tax
If democrats had not killed the pipeline all the oil would have been refined in the US

By the Saudis............
I thought it was BP? Either way, so long as it's in America...hiring Americans, paying Americans....I don't care where the company HQ is.

No. Saudi ARAMCO owns Motiva.
Cool...and they are HQed in Houston....and therefore have a number of American employees, and would of had more had Xiden not killed the pipeline

Thanks

Nope.. They may have added two or three additional employees at the refinery .. no signficant numbers.. You ever been to their HQ in Houston? I have .. . many times over many years. You really don't know shit from shinola.
I haven't...I don't see the point of being at the HQ....I just know where it is.

Who knows the numbers of people that would have been needed to load, the tankers, work on the tankers, maintain the tankers etc.

That's all automated in the past 30 years.
Argumento that's true...if the entire process to load tankers is automated the systems still need to be maintained, operated, created...more volume means more need.

It's really a simple concept and your continued deflection from that is rather comical

Volume isn't actually increased much.. They juust want to build another pipeline while they already have unused capacity all over the Midwest. Haven't you been following the Keystone xl lies since 2011?
How much capicity are they using currently? how much more volume?

I have seen the numbers but I don't remember them exactly.

The Keystone xl will attract more tar sand producers bcause it would be easier for the proucers.

How much would Keystone pipeline help US consumers?
Mar 10, 2012 · Less obvious, however, is the fact that the Keystone XL pipeline is not actually needed to bring all that new Canadian oil to the US – a flow now projected to rise to 1.7 million barrels per day by...
your link sort of undermines your argument that it wouldn't produce that much more volume...

it makes the claim that prices would go up in the USA, because of oversupply.

Canadian tar sands are really corrosive sludge .. nobody really wants it so its deeply discounted to the US. It probably does cost more to refine.

Don't know about oversupply causing prices to increase .. Storing oil above ground is a real loser's proposition. You have to realize none of that is going to be sold in the US anyway.. and they will by-pass the Mid West refineried that were retrofitted to deal with tar sands..
Your link said that oversupply caused prices to increase.

Your own link

We just discussed that. It won't cause an oversupply in the US. Gasoline in the US is still bargain.. prices at the pump haven't kept up with housig costs or college costs or healthcare or automobile prices.
I guess I am trying to understand why you would post a link that says other then what you are trying to argue
 

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