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Biden Infrastructure Plan Lacks Most Important Facet

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Looks like just about everything Biden does, he does wrong. Although there are things in Biden's infrastructure plan (called the American Jobs Plan) that are worthwhile, and could even help me personally, I would be remiss to not point out the glaring BIG DEFECT in this huge undertaking.

It can be expressed vey simply in 2 words > DAMS & LEVEES.

1. Dams - I see no mention of the nations dams in Biden's infrastructure plan. This is a huge defect.
There are 85,000 dams in the USA, 4000 of them are unsafe, and 1899 of those are high hazard meaning they likely could kill people if they breach. These have quadrupled since 2001. (this is just by nature, not considering terrorist attack).

According to Brad Iarossi of the American Society of Civil Engineers, the number of unsafe dams is growing at a 45 degree angle on the graph, while the number we repair each year is a straight line (no increase or decrease). This gap is going to get wider and wider, until we get a funding source, and start reversing this trend, or we start having a major collapse of dams nationwide.

A few examples of some of the worst of these are >> a coal ash dam run by the Tennessee Valley Authority in Kingston, TN, which breached, spilling over a Billion gallons of hazardous waste across a 300 acre stretch of the Emory River. Another is the Grand Teton Dam, in Idaho. In 1976, 14 people died in the flooding. Hundreds of homes and other structures were destroyed. A more recent dam failure was the Ka Loko dam in Kilauea, Hawaii. This earthen dam, over 100 years old gave way in 2006, after a heavy rain.

All these were very bad but even they are relatively minor compared to the worst catastrophe in US history that looms right before us with the terrifying Wolf Creek Dam. Over the years, the US Army Corps of Engineers have done patchwork on the dam. In October 2007, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers placed the dam under a 'high risk' for failure designation, and warning sirens were installed in counties downstream from the dam. In 2014, a barrier wall was constructed to help fortify the dam, and levels of lake Cumberland have been lowered to reduce stress.

If breached the effects of this would be unimaginable catastrophe. >> The powerful tsunami rushing down from the dam picks up trees, trucks, power lines and other debris, creating a battering ram at the front of the surge, simply obliterating everything in its path. In 2.5 days, the surge travels 280 river miles and hits Nashville, the Tennessee state capitol. Nashville is submerged under 20 feet of water. Titan Stadium will look more like Seaworld. Thousands of people along the Cumberland River would be killed and the destruction would looks like 100 category five hurricanes.

It is true that recent upgrades have brought the Wolf creek Dam from a DSAC rating of 1 (critical), up to DSAC 3, Wolf Creek Dam’s new classification, >> “high priority, conditionally unsafe; significantly inadequate, or moderate to high risk.” which is better than the previous rating, and some Corps officials have claimed it to now be safe, but one has to consider their vested interest scenario +the rating (which still isn't all that good) is relative to normal conditions, not accounting for conditions of natural disasters (hurricane, earthquake, tornado). There is also the terrorist threat, with a security aspect.

Biden's plan ? Nothing.

Another overlooked critical infrastructure problem is the California delta levees. These have been in existence for 150 years and were constructed of mostly just earth and mud. They are highly subject to failure, and if so (caused by an earthquake in the region let's say) the agricultural lands they protect will flood, triggering a chain of events that would pull salt water from the San Francisco Bay area into the delta, and contaminate the drinking water supply for half the population of California. And the ramification of that ? According to University of California Geologist, Jeffery Mount, it is shutting off the water supply for 25 million people for 2-3 years.

The delta streams provide 1/2 the drinking water of California, from San Francisco to Los Angeles. They flow into a massive reservoir 89 miles southeast of San Francisco called the Clifton Forebay. According to Doug Thompson of the California Dept.of Water Resources, if it wasn't for this system, California would be "dry down south".

Here is a not at all unlikely scenario. A 6.7 earthquake with an epicenter close to the delta occurs. The islands flooding is so powerful, it pulls 300 Billion gallons of salt water inland, all the way to Clifton Forebay, which then has to close its gates, to prevent contamination of the reservoir.

California would have to ration the water in the Forebay, but it would run out in about 6 months, and it would take 2-3 years for the delta to return to normal (assuming perfect conditions that whole time, ie. no earthquakes). Bay area experts say there's a 66% chance that a 6.7 earthquake or a large flood will take down the levees some time over the next 30 years. Needless to say 25 million people would be forced to evacuate, for 2-3 years minimum. But where would they go ? Wherever that is, it would put huge stresses on the places they move to.

COST to fix ? Authorities estimate it will take $25-40 Million per square mile to quake-proof the delta levees. Money that California does not have. It would have to come from the federal government. So what is California doing about this catastrophe waiting to happen ? They have been shoring up the levees with sloping and adding rocks, but those treatments are like giving aspirins to a cancer victim. Bottom line is California has no plan for dealing with this catastrophic threat.

Neither does Joe Biden.

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Looks like just about everything Biden does, he does wrong. Although there are things in Biden's infrastructure plan (called the American Jobs Plan) that are worthwhile, and could even help me personally, I would be remiss to not point out the glaring BIG DEFECT in this huge undertaking.

It can be expressed vey simply in 2 words > DAMS & LEVEES.

1. Dams - I see no mention of the nations dams in Biden's infrastructure plan. This is a huge defect.
There are 85,000 dams in the USA, 4000 of them are unsafe, and 1899 of those are high hazard meaning they likely could kill people if they breach. These have quadrupled since 2001. (this is just by nature, not considering terrorist attack).

According to Brad Iarossi of the American Society of Civil Engineers, the number of unsafe dams is growing at a 45 degree angle on the graph, while the number we repair each year is a straight line (no increase or decrease). This gap is going to get wider and wider, until we get a funding source, and start reversing this trend, or we start having a major collapse of dams nationwide.

A few examples of some of the worst of these are >> a coal ash dam run by the Tennessee Valley Authority in Kingston, TN, which breached, spilling over a Billion gallons of hazardous waste across a 300 acre stretch of the Emory River. Another is the Grand Teton Dam, in Idaho. In 1976, 14 people died in the flooding. Hundreds of homes and other structures were destroyed. A more recent dam failure was the Ka Loko dam in Kilauea, Hawaii. This earthen dam, over 100 years old gave way in 2006, after a heavy rain.

All these were very bad but even they are relatively minor compared to the worst catastrophe in US history that looms right before us with the terrifying Wolf Creek Dam. Over the years the US Army Corps of Engineers have done patchwork on the dam. In October 2007, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers placed the dam under a 'high risk' for failure designation, and warning sirens were installed in counties downstream from the dam. In 2014, a barrier wall was constructed to help fortify the dam, and levels of lake Cumberland have been lowered to reduce stress.

If breached the effects of this would be unimaginable catastrophe. >> The powerful tsunami rushing down from the dam picks up trees, trucks, power lines and other debris, creating a battering ram at the front of the surge, simply obliterating everything in its path. In 2.5 days, the surge travels 280 river miles and hits Nashville, the Tennessee state capitol. Nashville is submerged under 20 feet of water. Titan Stadium will look more like Seaworld. Thousands of people along the Cumberland River would be killed and the destruction would looks like 100 category five hurricanes.

Biden's plan ? Nothing.

Another overlooked critical infrastructure problem is the California delta levees. Thee have been in existence for 150 years and were constructred of mostly just earth and mud. They are highly subject to failure,and if so (caused by an earthquake in the region let's say) the agricultural lands they protect will flood, triggering a chain of events that would pull salt water from the San Francisco Bay area into the delta, and contaminate the drinking water supply for half the population of California. And the ramification of that ? According to University of California Geologist, Jeffery Mount, it is shutting off the water supply for 25 million people for 2-3 years.

The delta streams provide 1/2 the drinking water of California, from San Francisco to Los Angeles. They flow into a massive reservoir 89 miles southeast of San Francisco called the Clifton Forebay. According to Doug Thompson of the California Dept.of Water Resources, if it wasn't for this system, California would be "dry down south".

Here's is a not at all unlikely scenario. A 6.7 earthquake with an epicenter close to the delta occurs. The islands flooding is so powerful, it pulls 300 Billion gallons of salt water inland, all the way to Clifton Forebay, which then has to close its gates, to prevent contamination of the reservoir.

California would have to ration the water in the Forebay, but it would run out in about 6 months, and it would take 2-3 years for the delta to return to normal (assuming perfect conditions that whole time, ie. no earthquakes). Bay area experts say there's a 66% chance that a 6.7 earthquake or a large flood will take down the levees some time over the next 30 years. Needless to say 25 million people would be forced to evacuate, for 2-3 years minimum. But where would they go ? Wherever that is, it would put huge stresses on the places they move to.

COST to fix ? Authorities estimate it will take $25-40 Million per square mile to quake-proof the delta levees. Money that California does not have. It would have to come from the federal government. So what is California doing about this catastrophe waiting to happen ? They have been shoring up the levees with sloping and adding rocks, but those treatments are like giving aspirins to a cancer victim. Bottom line is California has no plan for dealing with this catastrophic threat.

Neither does Joe Biden.

Bu, bu, but, these aren't worthy of the Green Project... This doesn't fit the Cliamte Change scenario, or solar/air power they want to push through.
 

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Looks like just about everything Biden does, he does wrong. Although there are things in Biden's infrastructure plan (called the American Jobs Plan) that are worthwhile, and could even help me personally, I would be remiss to not point out the glaring BIG DEFECT in this huge undertaking.

It can be expressed vey simply in 2 words > DAMS & LEVEES.

1. Dams - I see no mention of the nations dams in Biden's infrastructure plan. This is a huge defect.
There are 85,000 dams in the USA, 4000 of them are unsafe, and 1899 of those are high hazard meaning they likely could kill people if they breach. These have quadrupled since 2001. (this is just by nature, not considering terrorist attack).

According to Brad Iarossi of the American Society of Civil Engineers, the number of unsafe dams is growing at a 45 degree angle on the graph, while the number we repair each year is a straight line (no increase or decrease). This gap is going to get wider and wider, until we get a funding source, and start reversing this trend, or we start having a major collapse of dams nationwide.

A few examples of some of the worst of these are >> a coal ash dam run by the Tennessee Valley Authority in Kingston, TN, which breached, spilling over a Billion gallons of hazardous waste across a 300 acre stretch of the Emory River. Another is the Grand Teton Dam, in Idaho. In 1976, 14 people died in the flooding. Hundreds of homes and other structures were destroyed. A more recent dam failure was the Ka Loko dam in Kilauea, Hawaii. This earthen dam, over 100 years old gave way in 2006, after a heavy rain.

All these were very bad but even they are relatively minor compared to the worst catastrophe in US history that looms right before us with the terrifying Wolf Creek Dam. Over the years, the US Army Corps of Engineers have done patchwork on the dam. In October 2007, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers placed the dam under a 'high risk' for failure designation, and warning sirens were installed in counties downstream from the dam. In 2014, a barrier wall was constructed to help fortify the dam, and levels of lake Cumberland have been lowered to reduce stress.

If breached the effects of this would be unimaginable catastrophe. >> The powerful tsunami rushing down from the dam picks up trees, trucks, power lines and other debris, creating a battering ram at the front of the surge, simply obliterating everything in its path. In 2.5 days, the surge travels 280 river miles and hits Nashville, the Tennessee state capitol. Nashville is submerged under 20 feet of water. Titan Stadium will look more like Seaworld. Thousands of people along the Cumberland River would be killed and the destruction would looks like 100 category five hurricanes.

It is true that recent upgrades have brought the Wolf creek Dam from a DSAC rating of 1 (critical), up to DSAC 3, Wolf Creek Dam’s new classification, >> “high priority, conditionally unsafe; significantly inadequate, or moderate to high risk.” which is better than the previous rating, and some Corps officials have claimed it to now be safe, but one has to consider their vested interest scenario +the rating (which still isn't all that good) is relative to normal conditions, not accounting for conditions of natural disasters (hurricane, earthquake, tornado). There is also the terrorist threat, with a security aspect.

Biden's plan ? Nothing.

Another overlooked critical infrastructure problem is the California delta levees. These have been in existence for 150 years and were constructed of mostly just earth and mud. They are highly subject to failure, and if so (caused by an earthquake in the region let's say) the agricultural lands they protect will flood, triggering a chain of events that would pull salt water from the San Francisco Bay area into the delta, and contaminate the drinking water supply for half the population of California. And the ramification of that ? According to University of California Geologist, Jeffery Mount, it is shutting off the water supply for 25 million people for 2-3 years.

The delta streams provide 1/2 the drinking water of California, from San Francisco to Los Angeles. They flow into a massive reservoir 89 miles southeast of San Francisco called the Clifton Forebay. According to Doug Thompson of the California Dept.of Water Resources, if it wasn't for this system, California would be "dry down south".

Here is a not at all unlikely scenario. A 6.7 earthquake with an epicenter close to the delta occurs. The islands flooding is so powerful, it pulls 300 Billion gallons of salt water inland, all the way to Clifton Forebay, which then has to close its gates, to prevent contamination of the reservoir.

California would have to ration the water in the Forebay, but it would run out in about 6 months, and it would take 2-3 years for the delta to return to normal (assuming perfect conditions that whole time, ie. no earthquakes). Bay area experts say there's a 66% chance that a 6.7 earthquake or a large flood will take down the levees some time over the next 30 years. Needless to say 25 million people would be forced to evacuate, for 2-3 years minimum. But where would they go ? Wherever that is, it would put huge stresses on the places they move to.

COST to fix ? Authorities estimate it will take $25-40 Million per square mile to quake-proof the delta levees. Money that California does not have. It would have to come from the federal government. So what is California doing about this catastrophe waiting to happen ? They have been shoring up the levees with sloping and adding rocks, but those treatments are like giving aspirins to a cancer victim. Bottom line is California has no plan for dealing with this catastrophic threat.

Neither does Joe Biden.

INFRASTRUCTURE Report - DAMS | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

(12) INFRASTRUCTURE - Part 2 - California Catastrophe | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
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Looks like just about everything Biden does, he does wrong. Although there are things in Biden's infrastructure plan (called the American Jobs Plan) that are worthwhile, and could even help me personally, I would be remiss to not point out the glaring BIG DEFECT in this huge undertaking.

It can be expressed vey simply in 2 words > DAMS & LEVEES.

1. Dams - I see no mention of the nations dams in Biden's infrastructure plan. This is a huge defect.
There are 85,000 dams in the USA, 4000 of them are unsafe, and 1899 of those are high hazard meaning they likely could kill people if they breach. These have quadrupled since 2001. (this is just by nature, not considering terrorist attack).

According to Brad Iarossi of the American Society of Civil Engineers, the number of unsafe dams is growing at a 45 degree angle on the graph, while the number we repair each year is a straight line (no increase or decrease). This gap is going to get wider and wider, until we get a funding source, and start reversing this trend, or we start having a major collapse of dams nationwide.

A few examples of some of the worst of these are >> a coal ash dam run by the Tennessee Valley Authority in Kingston, TN, which breached, spilling over a Billion gallons of hazardous waste across a 300 acre stretch of the Emory River. Another is the Grand Teton Dam, in Idaho. In 1976, 14 people died in the flooding. Hundreds of homes and other structures were destroyed. A more recent dam failure was the Ka Loko dam in Kilauea, Hawaii. This earthen dam, over 100 years old gave way in 2006, after a heavy rain.

All these were very bad but even they are relatively minor compared to the worst catastrophe in US history that looms right before us with the terrifying Wolf Creek Dam. Over the years, the US Army Corps of Engineers have done patchwork on the dam. In October 2007, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers placed the dam under a 'high risk' for failure designation, and warning sirens were installed in counties downstream from the dam. In 2014, a barrier wall was constructed to help fortify the dam, and levels of lake Cumberland have been lowered to reduce stress.

If breached the effects of this would be unimaginable catastrophe. >> The powerful tsunami rushing down from the dam picks up trees, trucks, power lines and other debris, creating a battering ram at the front of the surge, simply obliterating everything in its path. In 2.5 days, the surge travels 280 river miles and hits Nashville, the Tennessee state capitol. Nashville is submerged under 20 feet of water. Titan Stadium will look more like Seaworld. Thousands of people along the Cumberland River would be killed and the destruction would looks like 100 category five hurricanes.

It is true that recent upgrades have brought the Wolf creek Dam from a DSAC rating of 1 (critical), up to DSAC 3, Wolf Creek Dam’s new classification, >> “high priority, conditionally unsafe; significantly inadequate, or moderate to high risk.” which is better than the previous rating, and some Corps officials have claimed it to now be safe, but one has to consider their vested interest scenario +the rating (which still isn't all that good) is relative to normal conditions, not accounting for conditions of natural disasters (hurricane, earthquake, tornado). There is also the terrorist threat, with a security aspect.

Biden's plan ? Nothing.

Another overlooked critical infrastructure problem is the California delta levees. These have been in existence for 150 years and were constructed of mostly just earth and mud. They are highly subject to failure, and if so (caused by an earthquake in the region let's say) the agricultural lands they protect will flood, triggering a chain of events that would pull salt water from the San Francisco Bay area into the delta, and contaminate the drinking water supply for half the population of California. And the ramification of that ? According to University of California Geologist, Jeffery Mount, it is shutting off the water supply for 25 million people for 2-3 years.

The delta streams provide 1/2 the drinking water of California, from San Francisco to Los Angeles. They flow into a massive reservoir 89 miles southeast of San Francisco called the Clifton Forebay. According to Doug Thompson of the California Dept.of Water Resources, if it wasn't for this system, California would be "dry down south".

Here is a not at all unlikely scenario. A 6.7 earthquake with an epicenter close to the delta occurs. The islands flooding is so powerful, it pulls 300 Billion gallons of salt water inland, all the way to Clifton Forebay, which then has to close its gates, to prevent contamination of the reservoir.

California would have to ration the water in the Forebay, but it would run out in about 6 months, and it would take 2-3 years for the delta to return to normal (assuming perfect conditions that whole time, ie. no earthquakes). Bay area experts say there's a 66% chance that a 6.7 earthquake or a large flood will take down the levees some time over the next 30 years. Needless to say 25 million people would be forced to evacuate, for 2-3 years minimum. But where would they go ? Wherever that is, it would put huge stresses on the places they move to.

COST to fix ? Authorities estimate it will take $25-40 Million per square mile to quake-proof the delta levees. Money that California does not have. It would have to come from the federal government. So what is California doing about this catastrophe waiting to happen ? They have been shoring up the levees with sloping and adding rocks, but those treatments are like giving aspirins to a cancer victim. Bottom line is California has no plan for dealing with this catastrophic threat.

Neither does Joe Biden.

INFRASTRUCTURE Report - DAMS | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

(12) INFRASTRUCTURE - Part 2 - California Catastrophe | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Building and repairing infrastructure can't be outsourced to China or India or Mexico.
 

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Looks like just about everything Biden does, he does wrong. Although there are things in Biden's infrastructure plan (called the American Jobs Plan) that are worthwhile, and could even help me personally, I would be remiss to not point out the glaring BIG DEFECT in this huge undertaking.

It can be expressed vey simply in 2 words > DAMS & LEVEES.

1. Dams - I see no mention of the nations dams in Biden's infrastructure plan. This is a huge defect.
There are 85,000 dams in the USA, 4000 of them are unsafe, and 1899 of those are high hazard meaning they likely could kill people if they breach. These have quadrupled since 2001. (this is just by nature, not considering terrorist attack).

According to Brad Iarossi of the American Society of Civil Engineers, the number of unsafe dams is growing at a 45 degree angle on the graph, while the number we repair each year is a straight line (no increase or decrease). This gap is going to get wider and wider, until we get a funding source, and start reversing this trend, or we start having a major collapse of dams nationwide.

A few examples of some of the worst of these are >> a coal ash dam run by the Tennessee Valley Authority in Kingston, TN, which breached, spilling over a Billion gallons of hazardous waste across a 300 acre stretch of the Emory River. Another is the Grand Teton Dam, in Idaho. In 1976, 14 people died in the flooding. Hundreds of homes and other structures were destroyed. A more recent dam failure was the Ka Loko dam in Kilauea, Hawaii. This earthen dam, over 100 years old gave way in 2006, after a heavy rain.

All these were very bad but even they are relatively minor compared to the worst catastrophe in US history that looms right before us with the terrifying Wolf Creek Dam. Over the years, the US Army Corps of Engineers have done patchwork on the dam. In October 2007, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers placed the dam under a 'high risk' for failure designation, and warning sirens were installed in counties downstream from the dam. In 2014, a barrier wall was constructed to help fortify the dam, and levels of lake Cumberland have been lowered to reduce stress.

If breached the effects of this would be unimaginable catastrophe. >> The powerful tsunami rushing down from the dam picks up trees, trucks, power lines and other debris, creating a battering ram at the front of the surge, simply obliterating everything in its path. In 2.5 days, the surge travels 280 river miles and hits Nashville, the Tennessee state capitol. Nashville is submerged under 20 feet of water. Titan Stadium will look more like Seaworld. Thousands of people along the Cumberland River would be killed and the destruction would looks like 100 category five hurricanes.

It is true that recent upgrades have brought the Wolf creek Dam from a DSAC rating of 1 (critical), up to DSAC 3, Wolf Creek Dam’s new classification, >> “high priority, conditionally unsafe; significantly inadequate, or moderate to high risk.” which is better than the previous rating, and some Corps officials have claimed it to now be safe, but one has to consider their vested interest scenario +the rating (which still isn't all that good) is relative to normal conditions, not accounting for conditions of natural disasters (hurricane, earthquake, tornado). There is also the terrorist threat, with a security aspect.

Biden's plan ? Nothing.

Another overlooked critical infrastructure problem is the California delta levees. These have been in existence for 150 years and were constructed of mostly just earth and mud. They are highly subject to failure, and if so (caused by an earthquake in the region let's say) the agricultural lands they protect will flood, triggering a chain of events that would pull salt water from the San Francisco Bay area into the delta, and contaminate the drinking water supply for half the population of California. And the ramification of that ? According to University of California Geologist, Jeffery Mount, it is shutting off the water supply for 25 million people for 2-3 years.

The delta streams provide 1/2 the drinking water of California, from San Francisco to Los Angeles. They flow into a massive reservoir 89 miles southeast of San Francisco called the Clifton Forebay. According to Doug Thompson of the California Dept.of Water Resources, if it wasn't for this system, California would be "dry down south".

Here is a not at all unlikely scenario. A 6.7 earthquake with an epicenter close to the delta occurs. The islands flooding is so powerful, it pulls 300 Billion gallons of salt water inland, all the way to Clifton Forebay, which then has to close its gates, to prevent contamination of the reservoir.

California would have to ration the water in the Forebay, but it would run out in about 6 months, and it would take 2-3 years for the delta to return to normal (assuming perfect conditions that whole time, ie. no earthquakes). Bay area experts say there's a 66% chance that a 6.7 earthquake or a large flood will take down the levees some time over the next 30 years. Needless to say 25 million people would be forced to evacuate, for 2-3 years minimum. But where would they go ? Wherever that is, it would put huge stresses on the places they move to.

COST to fix ? Authorities estimate it will take $25-40 Million per square mile to quake-proof the delta levees. Money that California does not have. It would have to come from the federal government. So what is California doing about this catastrophe waiting to happen ? They have been shoring up the levees with sloping and adding rocks, but those treatments are like giving aspirins to a cancer victim. Bottom line is California has no plan for dealing with this catastrophic threat.

Neither does Joe Biden.

INFRASTRUCTURE Report - DAMS | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

(12) INFRASTRUCTURE - Part 2 - California Catastrophe | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

BS.

An administration official noted that Biden’s plan calls for spending $17 billion on ports and waterways, which would include locks and dams. But the fact that dams are barely mentioned in the proposal has advocates gearing up to fight for their cause.

Everything is still being negotiated, said Rep. Debbie Dingell, a Michigan Democrat who has been a strong voice for dam safety since the catastrophic failure of two Michigan dams last year forced the evacuation of 10,000 people, damaged or destroyed 2,500 properties, submerged the city of Midland under 9 feet of water and drained two lakes, turning them into soggy empty pits.
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Looks like just about everything Biden does, he does wrong. Although there are things in Biden's infrastructure plan (called the American Jobs Plan) that are worthwhile, and could even help me personally, I would be remiss to not point out the glaring BIG DEFECT in this huge undertaking.

It can be expressed vey simply in 2 words > DAMS & LEVEES.

1. Dams - I see no mention of the nations dams in Biden's infrastructure plan. This is a huge defect.
There are 85,000 dams in the USA, 4000 of them are unsafe, and 1899 of those are high hazard meaning they likely could kill people if they breach. These have quadrupled since 2001. (this is just by nature, not considering terrorist attack).

According to Brad Iarossi of the American Society of Civil Engineers, the number of unsafe dams is growing at a 45 degree angle on the graph, while the number we repair each year is a straight line (no increase or decrease). This gap is going to get wider and wider, until we get a funding source, and start reversing this trend, or we start having a major collapse of dams nationwide.

A few examples of some of the worst of these are >> a coal ash dam run by the Tennessee Valley Authority in Kingston, TN, which breached, spilling over a Billion gallons of hazardous waste across a 300 acre stretch of the Emory River. Another is the Grand Teton Dam, in Idaho. In 1976, 14 people died in the flooding. Hundreds of homes and other structures were destroyed. A more recent dam failure was the Ka Loko dam in Kilauea, Hawaii. This earthen dam, over 100 years old gave way in 2006, after a heavy rain.

All these were very bad but even they are relatively minor compared to the worst catastrophe in US history that looms right before us with the terrifying Wolf Creek Dam. Over the years, the US Army Corps of Engineers have done patchwork on the dam. In October 2007, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers placed the dam under a 'high risk' for failure designation, and warning sirens were installed in counties downstream from the dam. In 2014, a barrier wall was constructed to help fortify the dam, and levels of lake Cumberland have been lowered to reduce stress.

If breached the effects of this would be unimaginable catastrophe. >> The powerful tsunami rushing down from the dam picks up trees, trucks, power lines and other debris, creating a battering ram at the front of the surge, simply obliterating everything in its path. In 2.5 days, the surge travels 280 river miles and hits Nashville, the Tennessee state capitol. Nashville is submerged under 20 feet of water. Titan Stadium will look more like Seaworld. Thousands of people along the Cumberland River would be killed and the destruction would looks like 100 category five hurricanes.

It is true that recent upgrades have brought the Wolf creek Dam from a DSAC rating of 1 (critical), up to DSAC 3, Wolf Creek Dam’s new classification, >> “high priority, conditionally unsafe; significantly inadequate, or moderate to high risk.” which is better than the previous rating, and some Corps officials have claimed it to now be safe, but one has to consider their vested interest scenario +the rating (which still isn't all that good) is relative to normal conditions, not accounting for conditions of natural disasters (hurricane, earthquake, tornado). There is also the terrorist threat, with a security aspect.

Biden's plan ? Nothing.

Another overlooked critical infrastructure problem is the California delta levees. These have been in existence for 150 years and were constructed of mostly just earth and mud. They are highly subject to failure, and if so (caused by an earthquake in the region let's say) the agricultural lands they protect will flood, triggering a chain of events that would pull salt water from the San Francisco Bay area into the delta, and contaminate the drinking water supply for half the population of California. And the ramification of that ? According to University of California Geologist, Jeffery Mount, it is shutting off the water supply for 25 million people for 2-3 years.

The delta streams provide 1/2 the drinking water of California, from San Francisco to Los Angeles. They flow into a massive reservoir 89 miles southeast of San Francisco called the Clifton Forebay. According to Doug Thompson of the California Dept.of Water Resources, if it wasn't for this system, California would be "dry down south".

Here is a not at all unlikely scenario. A 6.7 earthquake with an epicenter close to the delta occurs. The islands flooding is so powerful, it pulls 300 Billion gallons of salt water inland, all the way to Clifton Forebay, which then has to close its gates, to prevent contamination of the reservoir.

California would have to ration the water in the Forebay, but it would run out in about 6 months, and it would take 2-3 years for the delta to return to normal (assuming perfect conditions that whole time, ie. no earthquakes). Bay area experts say there's a 66% chance that a 6.7 earthquake or a large flood will take down the levees some time over the next 30 years. Needless to say 25 million people would be forced to evacuate, for 2-3 years minimum. But where would they go ? Wherever that is, it would put huge stresses on the places they move to.

COST to fix ? Authorities estimate it will take $25-40 Million per square mile to quake-proof the delta levees. Money that California does not have. It would have to come from the federal government. So what is California doing about this catastrophe waiting to happen ? They have been shoring up the levees with sloping and adding rocks, but those treatments are like giving aspirins to a cancer victim. Bottom line is California has no plan for dealing with this catastrophic threat.

Neither does Joe Biden.

INFRASTRUCTURE Report - DAMS | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

(12) INFRASTRUCTURE - Part 2 - California Catastrophe | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Well shit. He ran out of money from that 5% of that bill that is actually for infrastructure repair. I'm sure you understand. LOL
 

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Dams are anti-environmental- they disrupt the natural habitat of species that live in nature.

Environmentalist whackos like Sleepy Joe's handlers would just as well implode the Boulder Dam, the Grand Coulee, the Hoover Dam and all of the rest.

America can get enough energy from the sun and solar, no need to disrupt Mother Gaia.
 

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Thanks for the update.

It is yet another illustration of the fact that "infrastructure" is a Black Hole. No matter how much money is proposed, there will be scores of things that were not included and are absolutely MANDATORY. A Black Hole is one for which, no matter how much money you pour in, it's never enough.
 

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Looks like just about everything Biden does, he does wrong. Although there are things in Biden's infrastructure plan (called the American Jobs Plan) that are worthwhile, and could even help me personally, I would be remiss to not point out the glaring BIG DEFECT in this huge undertaking.

It can be expressed vey simply in 2 words > DAMS & LEVEES.

1. Dams - I see no mention of the nations dams in Biden's infrastructure plan. This is a huge defect.
There are 85,000 dams in the USA, 4000 of them are unsafe, and 1899 of those are high hazard meaning they likely could kill people if they breach. These have quadrupled since 2001. (this is just by nature, not considering terrorist attack).

According to Brad Iarossi of the American Society of Civil Engineers, the number of unsafe dams is growing at a 45 degree angle on the graph, while the number we repair each year is a straight line (no increase or decrease). This gap is going to get wider and wider, until we get a funding source, and start reversing this trend, or we start having a major collapse of dams nationwide.

A few examples of some of the worst of these are >> a coal ash dam run by the Tennessee Valley Authority in Kingston, TN, which breached, spilling over a Billion gallons of hazardous waste across a 300 acre stretch of the Emory River. Another is the Grand Teton Dam, in Idaho. In 1976, 14 people died in the flooding. Hundreds of homes and other structures were destroyed. A more recent dam failure was the Ka Loko dam in Kilauea, Hawaii. This earthen dam, over 100 years old gave way in 2006, after a heavy rain.

All these were very bad but even they are relatively minor compared to the worst catastrophe in US history that looms right before us with the terrifying Wolf Creek Dam. Over the years, the US Army Corps of Engineers have done patchwork on the dam. In October 2007, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers placed the dam under a 'high risk' for failure designation, and warning sirens were installed in counties downstream from the dam. In 2014, a barrier wall was constructed to help fortify the dam, and levels of lake Cumberland have been lowered to reduce stress.

If breached the effects of this would be unimaginable catastrophe. >> The powerful tsunami rushing down from the dam picks up trees, trucks, power lines and other debris, creating a battering ram at the front of the surge, simply obliterating everything in its path. In 2.5 days, the surge travels 280 river miles and hits Nashville, the Tennessee state capitol. Nashville is submerged under 20 feet of water. Titan Stadium will look more like Seaworld. Thousands of people along the Cumberland River would be killed and the destruction would looks like 100 category five hurricanes.

It is true that recent upgrades have brought the Wolf creek Dam from a DSAC rating of 1 (critical), up to DSAC 3, Wolf Creek Dam’s new classification, >> “high priority, conditionally unsafe; significantly inadequate, or moderate to high risk.” which is better than the previous rating, and some Corps officials have claimed it to now be safe, but one has to consider their vested interest scenario +the rating (which still isn't all that good) is relative to normal conditions, not accounting for conditions of natural disasters (hurricane, earthquake, tornado). There is also the terrorist threat, with a security aspect.

Biden's plan ? Nothing.

Another overlooked critical infrastructure problem is the California delta levees. These have been in existence for 150 years and were constructed of mostly just earth and mud. They are highly subject to failure, and if so (caused by an earthquake in the region let's say) the agricultural lands they protect will flood, triggering a chain of events that would pull salt water from the San Francisco Bay area into the delta, and contaminate the drinking water supply for half the population of California. And the ramification of that ? According to University of California Geologist, Jeffery Mount, it is shutting off the water supply for 25 million people for 2-3 years.

The delta streams provide 1/2 the drinking water of California, from San Francisco to Los Angeles. They flow into a massive reservoir 89 miles southeast of San Francisco called the Clifton Forebay. According to Doug Thompson of the California Dept.of Water Resources, if it wasn't for this system, California would be "dry down south".

Here is a not at all unlikely scenario. A 6.7 earthquake with an epicenter close to the delta occurs. The islands flooding is so powerful, it pulls 300 Billion gallons of salt water inland, all the way to Clifton Forebay, which then has to close its gates, to prevent contamination of the reservoir.

California would have to ration the water in the Forebay, but it would run out in about 6 months, and it would take 2-3 years for the delta to return to normal (assuming perfect conditions that whole time, ie. no earthquakes). Bay area experts say there's a 66% chance that a 6.7 earthquake or a large flood will take down the levees some time over the next 30 years. Needless to say 25 million people would be forced to evacuate, for 2-3 years minimum. But where would they go ? Wherever that is, it would put huge stresses on the places they move to.

COST to fix ? Authorities estimate it will take $25-40 Million per square mile to quake-proof the delta levees. Money that California does not have. It would have to come from the federal government. So what is California doing about this catastrophe waiting to happen ? They have been shoring up the levees with sloping and adding rocks, but those treatments are like giving aspirins to a cancer victim. Bottom line is California has no plan for dealing with this catastrophic threat.

Neither does Joe Biden.

INFRASTRUCTURE Report - DAMS | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

(12) INFRASTRUCTURE - Part 2 - California Catastrophe | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

BS.

An administration official noted that Biden’s plan calls for spending $17 billion on ports and waterways, which would include locks and dams. But the fact that dams are barely mentioned in the proposal has advocates gearing up to fight for their cause.

Everything is still being negotiated, said Rep. Debbie Dingell, a Michigan Democrat who has been a strong voice for dam safety since the catastrophic failure of two Michigan dams last year forced the evacuation of 10,000 people, damaged or destroyed 2,500 properties, submerged the city of Midland under 9 feet of water and drained two lakes, turning them into soggy empty pits.
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So, it is all a matter of the government should oughta be doing more stuff, the only disagreement is what stuff.
#gofuckyourself
 

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Looks like just about everything Biden does, he does wrong. Although there are things in Biden's infrastructure plan (called the American Jobs Plan) that are worthwhile, and could even help me personally, I would be remiss to not point out the glaring BIG DEFECT in this huge undertaking.

It can be expressed vey simply in 2 words > DAMS & LEVEES.

1. Dams - I see no mention of the nations dams in Biden's infrastructure plan. This is a huge defect.
There are 85,000 dams in the USA, 4000 of them are unsafe, and 1899 of those are high hazard meaning they likely could kill people if they breach. These have quadrupled since 2001. (this is just by nature, not considering terrorist attack).

According to Brad Iarossi of the American Society of Civil Engineers, the number of unsafe dams is growing at a 45 degree angle on the graph, while the number we repair each year is a straight line (no increase or decrease). This gap is going to get wider and wider, until we get a funding source, and start reversing this trend, or we start having a major collapse of dams nationwide.

A few examples of some of the worst of these are >> a coal ash dam run by the Tennessee Valley Authority in Kingston, TN, which breached, spilling over a Billion gallons of hazardous waste across a 300 acre stretch of the Emory River. Another is the Grand Teton Dam, in Idaho. In 1976, 14 people died in the flooding. Hundreds of homes and other structures were destroyed. A more recent dam failure was the Ka Loko dam in Kilauea, Hawaii. This earthen dam, over 100 years old gave way in 2006, after a heavy rain.

All these were very bad but even they are relatively minor compared to the worst catastrophe in US history that looms right before us with the terrifying Wolf Creek Dam. Over the years, the US Army Corps of Engineers have done patchwork on the dam. In October 2007, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers placed the dam under a 'high risk' for failure designation, and warning sirens were installed in counties downstream from the dam. In 2014, a barrier wall was constructed to help fortify the dam, and levels of lake Cumberland have been lowered to reduce stress.

If breached the effects of this would be unimaginable catastrophe. >> The powerful tsunami rushing down from the dam picks up trees, trucks, power lines and other debris, creating a battering ram at the front of the surge, simply obliterating everything in its path. In 2.5 days, the surge travels 280 river miles and hits Nashville, the Tennessee state capitol. Nashville is submerged under 20 feet of water. Titan Stadium will look more like Seaworld. Thousands of people along the Cumberland River would be killed and the destruction would looks like 100 category five hurricanes.

It is true that recent upgrades have brought the Wolf creek Dam from a DSAC rating of 1 (critical), up to DSAC 3, Wolf Creek Dam’s new classification, >> “high priority, conditionally unsafe; significantly inadequate, or moderate to high risk.” which is better than the previous rating, and some Corps officials have claimed it to now be safe, but one has to consider their vested interest scenario +the rating (which still isn't all that good) is relative to normal conditions, not accounting for conditions of natural disasters (hurricane, earthquake, tornado). There is also the terrorist threat, with a security aspect.

Biden's plan ? Nothing.

Another overlooked critical infrastructure problem is the California delta levees. These have been in existence for 150 years and were constructed of mostly just earth and mud. They are highly subject to failure, and if so (caused by an earthquake in the region let's say) the agricultural lands they protect will flood, triggering a chain of events that would pull salt water from the San Francisco Bay area into the delta, and contaminate the drinking water supply for half the population of California. And the ramification of that ? According to University of California Geologist, Jeffery Mount, it is shutting off the water supply for 25 million people for 2-3 years.

The delta streams provide 1/2 the drinking water of California, from San Francisco to Los Angeles. They flow into a massive reservoir 89 miles southeast of San Francisco called the Clifton Forebay. According to Doug Thompson of the California Dept.of Water Resources, if it wasn't for this system, California would be "dry down south".

Here is a not at all unlikely scenario. A 6.7 earthquake with an epicenter close to the delta occurs. The islands flooding is so powerful, it pulls 300 Billion gallons of salt water inland, all the way to Clifton Forebay, which then has to close its gates, to prevent contamination of the reservoir.

California would have to ration the water in the Forebay, but it would run out in about 6 months, and it would take 2-3 years for the delta to return to normal (assuming perfect conditions that whole time, ie. no earthquakes). Bay area experts say there's a 66% chance that a 6.7 earthquake or a large flood will take down the levees some time over the next 30 years. Needless to say 25 million people would be forced to evacuate, for 2-3 years minimum. But where would they go ? Wherever that is, it would put huge stresses on the places they move to.

COST to fix ? Authorities estimate it will take $25-40 Million per square mile to quake-proof the delta levees. Money that California does not have. It would have to come from the federal government. So what is California doing about this catastrophe waiting to happen ? They have been shoring up the levees with sloping and adding rocks, but those treatments are like giving aspirins to a cancer victim. Bottom line is California has no plan for dealing with this catastrophic threat.

Neither does Joe Biden.

INFRASTRUCTURE Report - DAMS | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

(12) INFRASTRUCTURE - Part 2 - California Catastrophe | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
There is 17B for dams. It should be more
 

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The "cure" for unsafe dams is usually to remove them.
The "environmental impact" battles would take many years to resolve to do anything with the dams.
IMHO Xiden wants to use the Obama "shovel ready" label to hit the ground running and feel the impact for the 2022 and 2024 elections.
Calling the Xiden giveaway "infrastructure" is total bullshit.
The democrats want "Helicopter Joe" to just give out money to their urban plantation voters.

I agree dams are an infrastructure problem, but the solution will take more than one presidential term, so there is no net political gain. Kick the can...
 

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Looks like just about everything Biden does, he does wrong. Although there are things in Biden's infrastructure plan (called the American Jobs Plan) that are worthwhile, and could even help me personally, I would be remiss to not point out the glaring BIG DEFECT in this huge undertaking.

It can be expressed vey simply in 2 words > DAMS & LEVEES.

1. Dams - I see no mention of the nations dams in Biden's infrastructure plan. This is a huge defect.
There are 85,000 dams in the USA, 4000 of them are unsafe, and 1899 of those are high hazard meaning they likely could kill people if they breach. These have quadrupled since 2001. (this is just by nature, not considering terrorist attack).

According to Brad Iarossi of the American Society of Civil Engineers, the number of unsafe dams is growing at a 45 degree angle on the graph, while the number we repair each year is a straight line (no increase or decrease). This gap is going to get wider and wider, until we get a funding source, and start reversing this trend, or we start having a major collapse of dams nationwide.

A few examples of some of the worst of these are >> a coal ash dam run by the Tennessee Valley Authority in Kingston, TN, which breached, spilling over a Billion gallons of hazardous waste across a 300 acre stretch of the Emory River. Another is the Grand Teton Dam, in Idaho. In 1976, 14 people died in the flooding. Hundreds of homes and other structures were destroyed. A more recent dam failure was the Ka Loko dam in Kilauea, Hawaii. This earthen dam, over 100 years old gave way in 2006, after a heavy rain.

All these were very bad but even they are relatively minor compared to the worst catastrophe in US history that looms right before us with the terrifying Wolf Creek Dam. Over the years, the US Army Corps of Engineers have done patchwork on the dam. In October 2007, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers placed the dam under a 'high risk' for failure designation, and warning sirens were installed in counties downstream from the dam. In 2014, a barrier wall was constructed to help fortify the dam, and levels of lake Cumberland have been lowered to reduce stress.

If breached the effects of this would be unimaginable catastrophe. >> The powerful tsunami rushing down from the dam picks up trees, trucks, power lines and other debris, creating a battering ram at the front of the surge, simply obliterating everything in its path. In 2.5 days, the surge travels 280 river miles and hits Nashville, the Tennessee state capitol. Nashville is submerged under 20 feet of water. Titan Stadium will look more like Seaworld. Thousands of people along the Cumberland River would be killed and the destruction would looks like 100 category five hurricanes.

It is true that recent upgrades have brought the Wolf creek Dam from a DSAC rating of 1 (critical), up to DSAC 3, Wolf Creek Dam’s new classification, >> “high priority, conditionally unsafe; significantly inadequate, or moderate to high risk.” which is better than the previous rating, and some Corps officials have claimed it to now be safe, but one has to consider their vested interest scenario +the rating (which still isn't all that good) is relative to normal conditions, not accounting for conditions of natural disasters (hurricane, earthquake, tornado). There is also the terrorist threat, with a security aspect.

Biden's plan ? Nothing.

Another overlooked critical infrastructure problem is the California delta levees. These have been in existence for 150 years and were constructed of mostly just earth and mud. They are highly subject to failure, and if so (caused by an earthquake in the region let's say) the agricultural lands they protect will flood, triggering a chain of events that would pull salt water from the San Francisco Bay area into the delta, and contaminate the drinking water supply for half the population of California. And the ramification of that ? According to University of California Geologist, Jeffery Mount, it is shutting off the water supply for 25 million people for 2-3 years.

The delta streams provide 1/2 the drinking water of California, from San Francisco to Los Angeles. They flow into a massive reservoir 89 miles southeast of San Francisco called the Clifton Forebay. According to Doug Thompson of the California Dept.of Water Resources, if it wasn't for this system, California would be "dry down south".

Here is a not at all unlikely scenario. A 6.7 earthquake with an epicenter close to the delta occurs. The islands flooding is so powerful, it pulls 300 Billion gallons of salt water inland, all the way to Clifton Forebay, which then has to close its gates, to prevent contamination of the reservoir.

California would have to ration the water in the Forebay, but it would run out in about 6 months, and it would take 2-3 years for the delta to return to normal (assuming perfect conditions that whole time, ie. no earthquakes). Bay area experts say there's a 66% chance that a 6.7 earthquake or a large flood will take down the levees some time over the next 30 years. Needless to say 25 million people would be forced to evacuate, for 2-3 years minimum. But where would they go ? Wherever that is, it would put huge stresses on the places they move to.

COST to fix ? Authorities estimate it will take $25-40 Million per square mile to quake-proof the delta levees. Money that California does not have. It would have to come from the federal government. So what is California doing about this catastrophe waiting to happen ? They have been shoring up the levees with sloping and adding rocks, but those treatments are like giving aspirins to a cancer victim. Bottom line is California has no plan for dealing with this catastrophic threat.

Neither does Joe Biden.

INFRASTRUCTURE Report - DAMS | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

(12) INFRASTRUCTURE - Part 2 - California Catastrophe | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

BS.

An administration official noted that Biden’s plan calls for spending $17 billion on ports and waterways, which would include locks and dams. But the fact that dams are barely mentioned in the proposal has advocates gearing up to fight for their cause.

Everything is still being negotiated, said Rep. Debbie Dingell, a Michigan Democrat who has been a strong voice for dam safety since the catastrophic failure of two Michigan dams last year forced the evacuation of 10,000 people, damaged or destroyed 2,500 properties, submerged the city of Midland under 9 feet of water and drained two lakes, turning them into soggy empty pits.
www.msn.com › en-us › news

America likes to build big stuff and then go cheap on maintenance.
Such "patriotism" among corporate America.
THAT'S why we regulate and have inspections.
 

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states should invest in infrastructure not the federal government

states took in the most revenue ever in 2020...also hundreds of billions of dollars from Trump And Biden...they got plenty of cash!
 

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