Biden Deserves Credit, Not Blame, for Afghanistan

[tahuyaman]

But not a monolithic ideology/organization.

It's a branch of the Pakistani government, just like an American intelligence agency.

 

[MadChemist]

Still blaming Joe Lieden.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

This from the Atlantic guy gets it:

America’s longest war has been by any measure a costly failure, and the errors in managing the conflict deserve scrutiny in the years to come. But Joe Biden doesn’t “own” the mayhem on the ground right now. What we’re seeing is the culmination of 20 years of bad decisions by U.S. political and military leaders. If anything, Americans should feel proud of what the U.S. government and military have accomplished in these past two weeks. President Biden deserves credit, not blame.

Unlike his three immediate predecessors in the Oval Office, all of whom also came to see the futility of the Afghan operation, Biden alone had the political courage to fully end America’s involvement. Although Donald Trump made a plan to end the war, he set a departure datethat fell after the end of his first term and created conditions that made the situation Biden inherited more precarious. And despite significant pressure and obstacles, Biden has overseen a military and government that have managed, since the announcement of America’s withdrawal, one of the most extraordinary logistical feats in their recent history. By the time the last American plane lifts off from Hamid Karzai International Airport on August 31, the total number of Americans and Afghan allies extricated from the country may exceed 120,000.

Biden Deserves Credit, Not Blame, for Afghanistan

Americans should feel proud of what the U.S. government and military have accomplished in these past two weeks.

www.theatlantic.com

oh noes not obama officals

 

[JoeB131]

I have stated my approach before.

Our military is great at destroying things. Unfortunately they and our politicians suck at nation rebuilding.

They next time a terrorist group kills a large number of people in our nation we should first ask the nation that is harboring them to turn them over to us. If that doesn’t happen we should invade and destroy the terrorists and anything that stands in our way. Then we should pack up and leave but mention if necessary we will return and hell on earth will reign again In that nation.

Um, yeah... we've been doing that for the last 40 years, and it really hasn't worked, has it? If anything, it's made more Muslims hate us. We have bombed, invaded, or occupied 13 Muslim nations, and we worse off today than we were in the 1980's when we first started sticking our dicks in the Middle East Hornet's nest.

Jesus Christ, man, you had the Pakistani Military harboring Bin Laden after we chased him out of Afghanistan for years... you think they are scared of repercussions?

Here's what we need to do.

1) Stop engaging in policies that create terrorists. That means stop taking sides in the various fights they are having, stop injecting ourselves into other people's civil wars and stop propping up the Zionist Entity, the hatred of which is the one thing all Muslims largely agree upon.

2) Realize terrorism isn't something you can solve militarily. Terrorism is a tactic, not a philosophy, and like any tactic, you come up with countermeasures.

3) Realize as awful as terrorism is, it's not an existential threat to the US. Yes, 9/11 was bad. 3000 people died. 39,000 people die from gun violence every year, but we've accepted that is something we can live with because 200 years ago, some slave rapists couldn't define a militia clearly. 36,000 Americans die every year in Auto Accidents.

4) Actually stop empowering the terror states by finding alternatives to petroleum. The War on Terror is the first war where the American consumer funded both sides. If we took the 2 trillion we pissed away in Afghanistan in the last 20 years and used it to buy solar panels and wind turbines, we'd have energy independence.

We aren't going to do any of these things, of course. They might push us out of our comfy lives.

 

[tahuyaman]

I have stated my approach before.

Our military is great at destroying things. Unfortunately they and our politicians suck at nation rebuilding....

The military is not there to "nation build." That's a job for the politicians.

 

[basquebromance]

 

[Richard-H]

The Taliban has already gone back to their old ways. They tell people like you what they know you want to hear. Only an imbecile would believe them.

I’m not sure why you’re engaging in name calling. Anyone can do that. It takes no special skills

What proof do you have that they have "gone back to their old ways"?

BTW - If you don't like name calling, you're on the wrong message board.

 

[Richard-H]

The military is not there to "nation build." That's a job for the politicians.

Americans don't understand other cultures and keep trying to impose our culture on other people.

What's worse is that American culture is changing rapidly, and we keep trying to impose whatever the "Flavor of the Day" is.

We're not the same culture that we were 50 years ago...and we get upset with cultures that are somewhat the same as we were 50 years ago.

 

[MadChemist]

Still blaming the demented-in-chief.

 

[Batcat]

The military is not there to "nation build." That's a job for the politicians.

That’s why we need to stop using the military for nation rebuilding.

 

[Batcat]

Um, yeah... we've been doing that for the last 40 years, and it really hasn't worked, has it? If anything, it's made more Muslims hate us. We have bombed, invaded, or occupied 13 Muslim nations, and we worse off today than we were in the 1980's when we first started sticking our dicks in the Middle East Hornet's nest.

Jesus Christ, man, you had the Pakistani Military harboring Bin Laden after we chased him out of Afghanistan for years... you think they are scared of repercussions?

Here's what we need to do.

1) Stop engaging in policies that create terrorists. That means stop taking sides in the various fights they are having, stop injecting ourselves into other people's civil wars and stop propping up the Zionist Entity, the hatred of which is the one thing all Muslims largely agree upon.

2) Realize terrorism isn't something you can solve militarily. Terrorism is a tactic, not a philosophy, and like any tactic, you come up with countermeasures.

3) Realize as awful as terrorism is, it's not an existential threat to the US. Yes, 9/11 was bad. 3000 people died. 39,000 people die from gun violence every year, but we've accepted that is something we can live with because 200 years ago, some slave rapists couldn't define a militia clearly. 36,000 Americans die every year in Auto Accidents.

4) Actually stop empowering the terror states by finding alternatives to petroleum. The War on Terror is the first war where the American consumer funded both sides. If we took the 2 trillion we pissed away in Afghanistan in the last 20 years and used it to buy solar panels and wind turbines, we'd have energy independence.

We aren't going to do any of these things, of course. They might push us out of our comfy lives.

I would also suggest we curb the power of the military industrial complex to influence politicians to start useless wars in far off places and stop the CIA from interfering in the affairs of other nations.

We had good reason to invade Afghanistan but not Iraq. Why were we in Libya hunting down Colonel Gaddafi? Why were we shipping arms from Libya to Syria and giving them to terrorists?

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[tahuyaman]

….We're not the same culture that we were 50 years ago...and we get upset with cultures that are somewhat the same as we were 50 years ago.

Well, at least you quit supporting the Taliban.

 

[tahuyaman]

That’s why we need to stop using the military for nation rebuilding.

We don’t. That’s left up to the politicians. They shouldn’t do it either.

 

[JoeB131]

I would also suggest we curb the power of the military industrial complex to influence politicians to start useless wars in far off places and stop the CIA from interfering in the affairs of other nations.

We had good reason to invade Afghanistan but not Iraq. Why were we in Libya hunting down Colonel Gaddafi? Why were we shipping arms from Libya to Syria and giving them to terrorists?

I was with you until you took a left into Crazy Land.

Getting involved in Libya's civil war was a bad idea. But Gaddaffi was going down with or without our help.

 

[Persuader]