Biden Blames Guns

[SmokeALib]

Just saying if he didn't buy the weapon(s) until he was 18, to be legal, this shooting might not have happened for 3 more years if at all, as there is some more maturity at 21 than 18, anyway.

I don't think criminals care much about legality.

 

[White 6]

I don't think criminals care much about legality.

Was he a criminal before he shot his grandmother earlier in the day?

 

[CowboyTed]

And while we're at it, let's bring back poll taxes since it's okay to be forced to spend money to exercise a constitutional right. I'm all for it.

There is no tax there as such...

Own a gun, need to have insurance like any responsible adult...

If you have a few million in the bank you could use that, but that would be a special case...

Why do you want to encourage irresponsible ownership of guns?

 

[CowboyTed]

The stipend afforded to armed staff under our two programs barely covers the cost of lessons and training, less than 1,000.00 per year in most schools per staff member.

We need a change in law at the constitutional level to make it easier to lockup people with dangerous psychological/emotional conditions or having a nut house in every town wouldn't help because we would still be unable to get them off of the streets.

Even with the laws as they are now police and courts refuse to take the most basic steps necessary to render these people ineligible to legally purchase or possess firearms in the fist place.

Until we fully enforce existing laws already on the books no new legislation should even be considered and the first new legislation should be legislation to get these people off of the streets at least into some sort of supervised living arrangement if not full time lock down facilities.

Virtually none of the school shootings or mass shootings was the result of an otherwise sane person suddenly snapping, in every case when we look deep enough we find that there were at least months or years of glaring warning signs that were utterly ignored or even when police got involved nothing was done.

The Parkland shooter had 39 occasions in which he was investigated for acts or threats of violence at school, at home, and at friends homes prior to the day he shot the place to hell but in all of those interactions with police he was never locked up and never adjudicated as mentally unfit by a judge which would have rendered him ineligible much less would have locked him up for treatment.

Universal background checks and strengthen them...

This is what Democrats are asking for...

ATF to computerise there records so if someone is declared dangerous there guns could be stored until they get help and are back to normal again...

Again this is what Democrats are asking for...

 

[Mac1958]

It takes somebody like Jimmy Kimmell to get it right:

Some people think this is about guns. Other people think it's about mental health. It's both.

Obviously. But the tribes can't and won't admit that. Political advantage is far more important than this slaughter.

 

[CowboyTed]

Just saying if he didn't buy the weapon(s) until he was 18, to be legal, this shooting might not have happened for 3 more years if at all, as there is some more maturity at 21 than 18, anyway.

Agreed... There is a good few of these mass shooters are adolescent adults who might be still struggling with growing up...

21 you have a lot more perspective... What seems like the world at 16 or immature 18, is insignificant by 21...

Not perfect, won't stop everything but it is a start..

 

[Blues Man]

There is no tax there as such...

Own a gun, need to have insurance like any responsible adult...

If you have a few million in the bank you could use that, but that would be a special case...

Why do you want to encourage irresponsible ownership of guns?

It is unconstitutional to require a person pay to exercise any rights.

 

[Blues Man]

Agreed... There is a good few of these mass shooters are adolescent adults who might be still struggling with growing up...

21 you have a lot more perspective... What seems like the world at 16 or immature 18, is insignificant by 21...

Not perfect, won't stop everything but it is a start..

That's fine but then the age of majority needs to be moved up for everything.

No voting before 21
No military service before 21
No entering contracts before 21

etc

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Universal background checks and strengthen them...

This is what Democrats are asking for...

ATF to computerise there records so if someone is declared dangerous there guns could be stored until they get help and are back to normal again...

Again this is what Democrats are asking for...

That isn't even the beginning of what dem's are demanding.

What they are demanding up front is a new AWB.

Enahnced background checks? What does that even look like?

A database of all gun owners? No fucking way period. It is illegal for the feds to create any such database of gun owners.

"Red Flag Laws" as proposed strip you of your rights without any due process, no chance in hell.

How about just fully enforcing the laws already on the books and long sentences for anyone using or possessing a firearm while committing a violent crime?

Fully enforce the existing laws for a decade and lock up the violent criminals for max terms and then come back with some data and we'll talk about what might still be needed.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

That's fine but then the age of majority needs to be moved up for everything.

No voting before 21
No military service before 21
No entering contracts before 21

etc

Can't go with you on military service. Being able to go in straight out of HS is what keeps a hell of a lot of kids from ending up dead or in jail.

No draft before 21 I could agree with.

 

[CowboyTed]

It takes somebody like Jimmy Kimmell to get it right:

Some people think this is about guns. Other people think it's about mental health. It's both.

Obviously. But the tribes can't and won't admit that. Political advantage is far more important than this slaughter.

It is both...

But other countries have the mental health problems too... But they don't have the deaths...

As a side note:
Actually US has generally lhas a slightly ower suicide attempts than Western Europe... US use guns in suicides way more than in Europe. Guns are easier way to kill yourself successfully than other methods (people who are committing suicide are usually not mentally sound). The up shot is US actually has higher same sucide rate as Western Europe for that reason..

 

[Blues Man]

Can't go with you on military service. Being able to go in straight out of HS is what keeps a hell of a lot of kids from ending up dead or in jail.

No draft before 21 I could agree with.

Then the parents can sign for the 18 year old.

 

[Mac1958]

It is both...

But other countries have the mental health problems too... But they don't have the deaths...

As a side note:
Actually US has generally lhas a slightly ower suicide attempts than Western Europe... US use guns in suicides way more than in Europe. Guns are easier way to kill yourself successfully than other methods (people who are committing suicide are usually not mentally sound). The up shot is US actually has higher same sucide rate as Western Europe for that reason..

We have a "popular culture" that is awash in violence and crime and brutality and gore and blood and death, from video games to movies to music to television. Absolutely awash in it. Our young people are DESENSITIZED to it. Clearly. CLEARLY.

We also have more guns than people. Guns last a long time. And the criminals aren't giving them up. They'll sell them, though.

The size and intensity of that combination is absolutely unique in the world. We either take this seriously across the board, or just give up. This is an "all of the above" situation, and downgrading either end won't help us address the issue. I know America can no longer solve big problems, but if we're going to try, we have to walk and chew gum at the same time.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Then the parents can sign for the 18 year old.

Sometimes the kid needs to get away from the parents for their own good and they would not be likely to sing for them.

 

[Blues Man]

Sometimes the kid needs to get away from the parents for their own good and they would not be likely to sing for them.

I don't think it's such a big problem.

Of course we could always just lower the age of majority to 18 for everything

Whatever the number we need to pick one and make it universal

 

[M14 Shooter]

Disarm everyone, capital punishment for anyone who is armed. If not you'll always have mass shootings till end of times.

How do you get past "shall not be infringed"?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Here is a law...
Mandatory public liability insureance on Guns to the scale of actual damage...

Insurance does not pay for criminals acts.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Just saying if he didn't buy the weapon(s) until he was 18, to be legal, this shooting might not have happened for 3 more years if at all, as there is some more maturity at 21 than 18, anyway.

Why do you think he could not have bought one on the secondary market... in Texas?
And then, he was unopposed for over an hour - he could have killed all those people with a Brown Bess.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Universal background checks and strengthen them...
This is what Democrats are asking for...

Universal background checks are useless w/o universal registration.
That's what Democrats are pushing for.
And no one wonders why.

 

[White 6]

Why do you think he could not have bought one on the secondary market... in Texas?
And then, he was unopposed for over an hour - he could have killed all those people with a Brown Bess.

Best info avail at the moment says that is not the case. So what could have happened or could happen in the future, does not apply to this case.
Well aware you can buy from individuals, get one as a gift from somebody, or actually use a straw buyer purposely and illegally. Just didn't happen this time. Most people actually follow rules more times than not. This guy had no criminal record we are aware of, until he shot grandma.