Zone1 Biden Administration Awards $7 Billion for 7 Hydrogen Hubs Across the U.S. : would certainly solve the refueling problem.
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Seymour Flops
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"A PR Campaign" will be "powerful" enough to make China give up its enormous profits and the power such profits brings their leaders?
Sure, Jan . . .
badbob85037
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There was a guy named Meyers who supposedly had a dune buggy that ran on hydrogen. Not hydrogen-gas mix but pure hydrogen. I have experimented with hydrogen cells and you can save gas but I could never make enough to switch to 100% hydrogen. Hydrogen has an octane rating over 200. It's only byproduct is water. If the oil company hadn't found a way to use the waste of making oil called gasoline who knows maybe we would be using hydrogen now. But just wait till we pump the last gallon out of the ground. Hydrogen the most plentiful gas in the universe.
Meyers was poisoned at a local restaurant a few years ago and died. His dune buggy vanished. He had a twin brother who has put what they left of his research on line somewhere. The oil companies offered him a bundle of cash which mabay he shouldn't of turned down looking back at it. There is suppose to be a South Korean farmer that has also used his car and farm equipment running on hydrogen. But this $7 billion is just kick back to the oil companies just like Bush's was, only Bush was more convincing and his reason flew like a ton of bricks.
badbob85037
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How quickly Americans forget or just show pure ignorance. Does anyone remember the billions Bush gave the oil companies to do the exact same thing? Joe must not unless he is a lying no good bitch.
Seymour Flops
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Refresh our memories with links.
badbob85037
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I don't understand how will it solve our renewable energy problem where there are not any pure hydrogen fueled vehicles. Why pay for a fuel you can produce while you drive. Why is biden paying for tecknowledgy that doesn't exist and why is this a good thing?It sounds like another biden train wreck.
Markle
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Total waste of money. They are even less practical than all EV cars you plug in for hours.
A quick summary...
BY JOHN VOELCKER PUBLISHED: SEP 26, 2022
"You may hear that hydrogen is the most common element in the universe. At the atomic level, that's true—but hydrogen is never found in its pure state. It's always combined with other elements. Its strong propensity to bind with anything in sight makes it a good energy carrier. Creating pure hydrogen for vehicles requires using a great deal of energy to "crack" a compound like natural gas (CH4) into pure H2, with CO2 as a byproduct. (Most hydrogen today is derived from fossil fuels like natural gas.) Run through a fuel cell, the hydrogen immediately gives back that energy, in the form of electricity, as soon as it combines with oxygen. Out of the exhaust pipe comes only water vapor (H2O)."
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The challenge for automotive engineers is that hydrogen fuel cells are happiest at a steady power output. That’s what makes them suitable for backup power use, for instance. But the power demands in the average car vary by an order of magnitude, from something like 15 kilowatts (20 horsepower) to keep a vehicle at a steady highway speed on a flat road to perhaps 10 or 20 times that amount for maximum acceleration to 60 mph or higher.
The fuel cell in the Toyota Mirai, the best-selling hydrogen car in the U.S., is rated at 90 kW (120 horsepower). But that's not enough to accelerate onto a fast-moving highway, so Toyota (as do other HFCV makers) adds in a high-voltage low-capacity battery, very similar to those used in gasoline-electric hybrid vehicles. It's there to supply supplemental power for short periods of intense acceleration, and it's recharged from either excess fuel-cell output when the car is cruising at a steady speed or via regenerative braking when the car slows. The three hydrogen cars sold in recent years all have EPA-rated ranges of 300 miles or more, though, like EVs, that range falls substantially at higher speeds.
www.caranddriver.com
A quick summary...
Hydrogen Fuel-Cell Vehicles: Everything You Need to Know
They’re related to electric cars, but have pros and cons that make them very different.BY JOHN VOELCKER PUBLISHED: SEP 26, 2022
"You may hear that hydrogen is the most common element in the universe. At the atomic level, that's true—but hydrogen is never found in its pure state. It's always combined with other elements. Its strong propensity to bind with anything in sight makes it a good energy carrier. Creating pure hydrogen for vehicles requires using a great deal of energy to "crack" a compound like natural gas (CH4) into pure H2, with CO2 as a byproduct. (Most hydrogen today is derived from fossil fuels like natural gas.) Run through a fuel cell, the hydrogen immediately gives back that energy, in the form of electricity, as soon as it combines with oxygen. Out of the exhaust pipe comes only water vapor (H2O)."
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The challenge for automotive engineers is that hydrogen fuel cells are happiest at a steady power output. That’s what makes them suitable for backup power use, for instance. But the power demands in the average car vary by an order of magnitude, from something like 15 kilowatts (20 horsepower) to keep a vehicle at a steady highway speed on a flat road to perhaps 10 or 20 times that amount for maximum acceleration to 60 mph or higher.
The fuel cell in the Toyota Mirai, the best-selling hydrogen car in the U.S., is rated at 90 kW (120 horsepower). But that's not enough to accelerate onto a fast-moving highway, so Toyota (as do other HFCV makers) adds in a high-voltage low-capacity battery, very similar to those used in gasoline-electric hybrid vehicles. It's there to supply supplemental power for short periods of intense acceleration, and it's recharged from either excess fuel-cell output when the car is cruising at a steady speed or via regenerative braking when the car slows. The three hydrogen cars sold in recent years all have EPA-rated ranges of 300 miles or more, though, like EVs, that range falls substantially at higher speeds.
Hydrogen Fuel-Cell Vehicles: Everything You Need to Know
They’re related to electric cars, but have pros and cons that make them very different.
www.caranddriver.com
peacefan
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you can't outlaw a new industry just because it's new!Total waste of money. They are even less practical than all EV cars you plug in for hours.
A quick summary...
Hydrogen Fuel-Cell Vehicles: Everything You Need to Know
They’re related to electric cars, but have pros and cons that make them very different.
BY JOHN VOELCKER PUBLISHED: SEP 26, 2022
"You may hear that hydrogen is the most common element in the universe. At the atomic level, that's true—but hydrogen is never found in its pure state. It's always combined with other elements. Its strong propensity to bind with anything in sight makes it a good energy carrier. Creating pure hydrogen for vehicles requires using a great deal of energy to "crack" a compound like natural gas (CH4) into pure H2, with CO2 as a byproduct. (Most hydrogen today is derived from fossil fuels like natural gas.) Run through a fuel cell, the hydrogen immediately gives back that energy, in the form of electricity, as soon as it combines with oxygen. Out of the exhaust pipe comes only water vapor (H2O)."
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The challenge for automotive engineers is that hydrogen fuel cells are happiest at a steady power output. That’s what makes them suitable for backup power use, for instance. But the power demands in the average car vary by an order of magnitude, from something like 15 kilowatts (20 horsepower) to keep a vehicle at a steady highway speed on a flat road to perhaps 10 or 20 times that amount for maximum acceleration to 60 mph or higher.
The fuel cell in the Toyota Mirai, the best-selling hydrogen car in the U.S., is rated at 90 kW (120 horsepower). But that's not enough to accelerate onto a fast-moving highway, so Toyota (as do other HFCV makers) adds in a high-voltage low-capacity battery, very similar to those used in gasoline-electric hybrid vehicles. It's there to supply supplemental power for short periods of intense acceleration, and it's recharged from either excess fuel-cell output when the car is cruising at a steady speed or via regenerative braking when the car slows. The three hydrogen cars sold in recent years all have EPA-rated ranges of 300 miles or more, though, like EVs, that range falls substantially at higher speeds.
Hydrogen Fuel-Cell Vehicles: Everything You Need to Know
They’re related to electric cars, but have pros and cons that make them very different.
Markle
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Who said to outlaw anything?
Did the government have to pay you to buy a fax machine? Computer? Smartphone?
badbob85037
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I wonder where the money GWB gave those same companies to do the same thing when he was president. Someone needs to ask both of them then give me a tax break.
Libby von H
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Doomed from the start.
1) Most of that money will go into pockets as with Ukraine, Covid, and many things he's done
2) That is your money he is using and your children's, it solves nothing which is why it bypasses voting and congressional mandates.
3) His offshore windmills scheme already lost billions and is collapsing
"Wind energy developer Orsted is writing off $4 billion, due largely to the cancellation of two large offshore wind projects in New Jersey whose financial challenges mirror those facing the nascent industry." Oh!!! You and the kids still have to pay big bucks for the failure---after you bankroll the hydrogen hubs, that is.
Before applauding, know that Indian and China are rapidly very rapidly INCREASING coal usage. Most watchdog groups write them out of any cooperation in climate measures
Toddsterpatriot
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A vital example of green idiocy.
Toddsterpatriot
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Toddsterpatriot
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What do ostriches have to do with an article about a green failure?
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You are confused Moon Bat.
1. Hydrogen for vehicles is a terrible technology. In addition to being very dangerous it takes more energy to create the hydrogen than it replaces with fossil fuels.
2. There is no man made component to climate change so getting a hydrogen vehicle won't change anything. AGW is a scam.
This is just another dumbass Environmental Wacko project that cost billions of dollars at a time when we are $34 trillion in debt. President Potatohead is an idiot and anybody that voted for him is a moron.
I wonder what Democrat donors are getting rich on this scam?
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