Bible Verses at work... Military

[WorldWatcher]

[Trust me. Your daughter should stay in the Navy instead of looking for a lucrative salary outside of government employment.

In her case? Nope, she could do much better in the civilian market.


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Lol Never estimate the power of a delusional government dependent. Have you ever had a real job? ( that means your salary isn't paid by a government entity )

Yes, after retiring from the Navy I was a Technical Trainer and Training Administrator for Canon USA. (Yes, that Canon.)


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[presonorek]

Once I moved off base and got married, the Basic Allowance for Quarters did not come close to actual costs of maintaining a residence.

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Tell that to a civilian in Jacksonville North Carolina that makes $9 an hour while a 19 year old E-3 stationed at Camp Lejeune gets $1200 BAH on top of his lucrative salary.

When we're you in? If your dates are in the last 20 years then I call BS. The public isn't falling for these lies any more.

There are real poor people in the United States and none of them wear a military uniform.

Base pay for an E-3 @ 19 = $23,256 per year (not bad for a 19 year old but hardly "lucrative")

Camp Lejeune Housing Allowance for and E-3 = $987 not $1,200)


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I retired after 20 years in the Navy in 1998 and currently have a daughter on active duty.


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The equivalent of $16.87 an hour. There are people in Jacksonville North Carolina that would literally kill a person in order to make $16.87 an hour.

That's a very lucrative income for that area. We didn't add his food and clothing allowance yet.

Horse manue of $16.87 an hour.

Given a standard civilian work compensation year of 2040 hours (40 hours a week for 52 weeks) thats $11.40 an hour. Most E-3's are not authorized to live off base.

Then of course there is the fact that the military rarely has a "40 hour" work week considering not only primary duties, but collateral duties such as mandatory PT at 06:00, guard/watch duties during beyond the normal day.

For example, as an airdale deployed to a ship we worked 12 on, 12 off seven days a week. and that was for months at a time. We had one period where we went over 180 days at sea with no port call. In addition to that I was flight crew meaning I didn't just get off after my shift ended at 19:00. Kind of hard to do when you are at 30,000 feet. Then duty crew once ever 4 days and after getting off at 19:00 would get rousted out of the rack for an emergency launch at 03:00.


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I was in the military for 5 years. Try that line on someone else. Have you ever had a real job ( when your salary doesn't come from the government) ?

Companies hyperventilate and run around scared when a person works 30 seconds of overtime.

The 19 year old lance corporal is living large. Try your BS at your church where they are required to agree with you under the banner of politeness. People with real jobs know what life is like. People who spend their entire lives working for the government doesn't know anything about real life.

 

[presonorek]

[Trust me. Your daughter should stay in the Navy instead of looking for a lucrative salary outside of government employment.

In her case? Nope, she could do much better in the civilian market.


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Lol Never estimate the power of a delusional government dependent. Have you ever had a real job? ( that means your salary isn't paid by a government entity )

Yes, after retiring from the Navy I was a Technical Trainer and Training Administrator for Canon USA. (Yes, that Canon.)


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How does Canon treat their employees today?

 

[Moonglow]

[Trust me. Your daughter should stay in the Navy instead of looking for a lucrative salary outside of government employment.

In her case? Nope, she could do much better in the civilian market.


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Lol Never estimate the power of a delusional government dependent. Have you ever had a real job? ( that means your salary isn't paid by a government entity )

Yes, after retiring from the Navy I was a Technical Trainer and Training Administrator for Canon USA. (Yes, that Canon.)


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Did you show them how to change the ink?

 

[WorldWatcher]

[Trust me. Your daughter should stay in the Navy instead of looking for a lucrative salary outside of government employment.

In her case? Nope, she could do much better in the civilian market.


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Lol Never estimate the power of a delusional government dependent. Have you ever had a real job? ( that means your salary isn't paid by a government entity )

Yes, after retiring from the Navy I was a Technical Trainer and Training Administrator for Canon USA. (Yes, that Canon.)


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How does Canon treat their employees today?

Not bad.

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[WorldWatcher]

[Trust me. Your daughter should stay in the Navy instead of looking for a lucrative salary outside of government employment.

In her case? Nope, she could do much better in the civilian market.


>>>>

Lol Never estimate the power of a delusional government dependent. Have you ever had a real job? ( that means your salary isn't paid by a government entity )

Yes, after retiring from the Navy I was a Technical Trainer and Training Administrator for Canon USA. (Yes, that Canon.)


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Did you show them how to change the ink?

No I taught line members computer system and printer, assembly, dis-assembly, troubleshooting, and repair.

All thanks to being an Aviation Electronics Technician and designated Master Training Specialist while on active duty.

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[presonorek]

[Trust me. Your daughter should stay in the Navy instead of looking for a lucrative salary outside of government employment.

In her case? Nope, she could do much better in the civilian market.


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Lol Never estimate the power of a delusional government dependent. Have you ever had a real job? ( that means your salary isn't paid by a government entity )

Yes, after retiring from the Navy I was a Technical Trainer and Training Administrator for Canon USA. (Yes, that Canon.)


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How does Canon treat their employees today?

Not bad.

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Working at Canon U.S.A. Inc. 228 Reviews Indeed.com

 

[WorldWatcher]

In her case? Nope, she could do much better in the civilian market.


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Lol Never estimate the power of a delusional government dependent. Have you ever had a real job? ( that means your salary isn't paid by a government entity )

Yes, after retiring from the Navy I was a Technical Trainer and Training Administrator for Canon USA. (Yes, that Canon.)


>>>>

How does Canon treat their employees today?

Not bad.

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Working at Canon U.S.A. Inc. 228 Reviews Indeed.com

A quick scan shows pretty good reviews for a manufacturing type environment.

Just what I said.

The manufacturing floor has pretty high turnover because it is - well - an assembly environment.


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[presonorek]

Lol Never estimate the power of a delusional government dependent. Have you ever had a real job? ( that means your salary isn't paid by a government entity )

Yes, after retiring from the Navy I was a Technical Trainer and Training Administrator for Canon USA. (Yes, that Canon.)


>>>>

How does Canon treat their employees today?

Not bad.

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Working at Canon U.S.A. Inc. 228 Reviews Indeed.com

A quick scan shows pretty good reviews for a manufacturing type environment.

Just what I said.

The manufacturing floor has pretty high turnover because it is - well - an assembly environment.


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It looks like a really good place to work. I still say that your daughter would be better of in the military. She might make admiral.

 

[Moonglow]

[Trust me. Your daughter should stay in the Navy instead of looking for a lucrative salary outside of government employment.

In her case? Nope, she could do much better in the civilian market.


>>>>

Lol Never estimate the power of a delusional government dependent. Have you ever had a real job? ( that means your salary isn't paid by a government entity )

Yes, after retiring from the Navy I was a Technical Trainer and Training Administrator for Canon USA. (Yes, that Canon.)


>>>>

Did you show them how to change the ink?

No I taught line members computer system and printer, assembly, dis-assembly, troubleshooting, and repair.

All thanks to being an Aviation Electronics Technician and designated Master Training Specialist while on active duty.

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And all you got was a job at Canon?
I was and anti-armor missile systems tech....Yet when I got out and ask for work, many business fellows thought they were cleaver when they told me they ain't got no missiles to fix here....I ended up using the training to get a job as an electronics tech in industry....

 

[WorldWatcher]

Yes, after retiring from the Navy I was a Technical Trainer and Training Administrator for Canon USA. (Yes, that Canon.)


>>>>

How does Canon treat their employees today?

Not bad.

>>>>

Working at Canon U.S.A. Inc. 228 Reviews Indeed.com

A quick scan shows pretty good reviews for a manufacturing type environment.

Just what I said.

The manufacturing floor has pretty high turnover because it is - well - an assembly environment.


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It looks like a really good place to work. I still say that your daughter would be better of in the military. She might make admiral.

Your opinion is noted.

She's currently commissioned a 2nd LT in the Air Force and will be completing law school next year after she passes the bar next summer she'll do her active time in the JAG. After her 4 year requirement from ROTC she can do much better as a lawyer out in the civilian world.

Admirals don't make what a good lawyer makes (and she's very good - she got her mothers brains).


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[WorldWatcher]

In her case? Nope, she could do much better in the civilian market.


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Lol Never estimate the power of a delusional government dependent. Have you ever had a real job? ( that means your salary isn't paid by a government entity )

Yes, after retiring from the Navy I was a Technical Trainer and Training Administrator for Canon USA. (Yes, that Canon.)


>>>>

Did you show them how to change the ink?

No I taught line members computer system and printer, assembly, dis-assembly, troubleshooting, and repair.

All thanks to being an Aviation Electronics Technician and designated Master Training Specialist while on active duty.

>>>>

And all you got was a job at Canon?
I was and anti-armor missile systems tech....Yet when I got out and ask for work, many business fellows thought they were cleaver when they told me they ain't got no missiles to fix here....I ended up using the training to get a job as an electronics tech in industry....

I was very happy for the job at Canon. I was very blessed. Actually I had 4 job offers on the table while still on active duty (I was leave burning up the 90 days I'd built up). Three were from defense contracts to develop system classroom and computer based training materials for Navy system and the Canon offer. One contractor offer sucked. The other two were OK, a little better pay but poor benefits. Canon wanted me, and I didn't want to be a military "hanger on" after retirement, so their non-military nature was attractive. Pay was a little below the defense contractors that offerred me positions but the benefits were much better. In addition I didn't need to be a "road warrior", i.e. travel on weekdays and home on weekends. After being gone so much in the Navy the idea of being a real dad to my 7 and 8 year old (at the time) was a strong motivator.


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[pinqy]

Once I moved off base and got married, the Basic Allowance for Quarters did not come close to actual costs of maintaining a residence.

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Tell that to a civilian in Jacksonville North Carolina that makes $9 an hour while a 19 year old E-3 stationed at Camp Lejeune gets $1200 BAH on top of his lucrative salary.

When we're you in? If your dates are in the last 20 years then I call BS. The public isn't falling for these lies any more.

There are real poor people in the United States and none of them wear a military uniform.

Base pay for an E-3 @ 19 = $23,256 per year (not bad for a 19 year old but hardly "lucrative")

Camp Lejeune Housing Allowance for and E-3 = $987 not $1,200)


********************************

I retired after 20 years in the Navy in 1998 and currently have a daughter on active duty.


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The equivalent of $16.87 an hour. There are people in Jacksonville North Carolina that would literally kill a person in order to make $16.87 an hour.

That's a very lucrative income for that area. We didn't add his food and clothing allowance yet.

No, it's not $16.87/hr. Most military don't work 8 hour days and not always 5 day weeks. Most days are 10 hour days, longer if you're on a duty roster. You'll be on at least one duty roster that brings you in on a weekend. For units that go to the field, that's 24/day for 2-6 weeks.

Basically, since the marine is on-call 24/7, that works out to $2,69/hr, no overtime.

Lol There are still people that would jump at a job like that.

Then they should join.

 

[JakeStarkey]

[Trust me. Your daughter should stay in the Navy instead of looking for a lucrative salary outside of government employment.

In her case? Nope, she could do much better in the civilian market.


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Lol Never estimate the power of a delusional government dependent. Have you ever had a real job? ( that means your salary isn't paid by a government entity )

Goofy statement that. Tell a soldier he does not have a real job.

 

[JakeStarkey]

How does Canon treat their employees today?

Not bad.

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Working at Canon U.S.A. Inc. 228 Reviews Indeed.com

A quick scan shows pretty good reviews for a manufacturing type environment.

Just what I said.

The manufacturing floor has pretty high turnover because it is - well - an assembly environment.


>>>>

It looks like a really good place to work. I still say that your daughter would be better of in the military. She might make admiral.

Your opinion is noted.

She's currently commissioned a 2nd LT in the Air Force and will be completing law school next year after she passes the bar next summer she'll do her active time in the JAG. After her 4 year requirement from ROTC she can do much better as a lawyer out in the civilian world.

Admirals don't make what a good lawyer makes (and she's very good - she got her mothers brains).>>>>

Don't be surprised if she stays. A military lawyer is quite an honored profession. All of my military lawyer friends made 06. They all did well in law when they retired.

 

[pinqy]

How does Canon treat their employees today?

Not bad.

>>>>

Working at Canon U.S.A. Inc. 228 Reviews Indeed.com

A quick scan shows pretty good reviews for a manufacturing type environment.

Just what I said.

The manufacturing floor has pretty high turnover because it is - well - an assembly environment.


>>>>

It looks like a really good place to work. I still say that your daughter would be better of in the military. She might make admiral.

Your opinion is noted.

She's currently commissioned a 2nd LT in the Air Force and will be completing law school next year after she passes the bar next summer she'll do her active time in the JAG. After her 4 year requirement from ROTC she can do much better as a lawyer out in the civilian world.

Depends on what you mean by much better. I once asked an Army JAG officer why she was in JAG instead of the civilian world. She asked me if I knew what a first year lawyer did in a civilian firm. They work insane hours and do all the scut work of research and filings etc that the senior lawyers don't want to do. She pointed out that in JAG she was actually trying cases and doing more "real lawyer" work right away. I would think that 10 years in the military, building a record and avoiding the crap could well be worth the temporarily lower pay. And lawyers do get paid more than other officers (except doctors) because of their special qualifications.

 

[presonorek]

Once I moved off base and got married, the Basic Allowance for Quarters did not come close to actual costs of maintaining a residence.

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Tell that to a civilian in Jacksonville North Carolina that makes $9 an hour while a 19 year old E-3 stationed at Camp Lejeune gets $1200 BAH on top of his lucrative salary.

When we're you in? If your dates are in the last 20 years then I call BS. The public isn't falling for these lies any more.

There are real poor people in the United States and none of them wear a military uniform.

Base pay for an E-3 @ 19 = $23,256 per year (not bad for a 19 year old but hardly "lucrative")

Camp Lejeune Housing Allowance for and E-3 = $987 not $1,200)


********************************

I retired after 20 years in the Navy in 1998 and currently have a daughter on active duty.


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The equivalent of $16.87 an hour. There are people in Jacksonville North Carolina that would literally kill a person in order to make $16.87 an hour.

That's a very lucrative income for that area. We didn't add his food and clothing allowance yet.

No, it's not $16.87/hr. Most military don't work 8 hour days and not always 5 day weeks. Most days are 10 hour days, longer if you're on a duty roster. You'll be on at least one duty roster that brings you in on a weekend. For units that go to the field, that's 24/day for 2-6 weeks.

Basically, since the marine is on-call 24/7, that works out to $2,69/hr, no overtime.

Your math sucks. You need to add the housing allowance. Real people don't get a free house.

 

[presonorek]

Not bad.

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Working at Canon U.S.A. Inc. 228 Reviews Indeed.com

A quick scan shows pretty good reviews for a manufacturing type environment.

Just what I said.

The manufacturing floor has pretty high turnover because it is - well - an assembly environment.


>>>>

It looks like a really good place to work. I still say that your daughter would be better of in the military. She might make admiral.

Your opinion is noted.

She's currently commissioned a 2nd LT in the Air Force and will be completing law school next year after she passes the bar next summer she'll do her active time in the JAG. After her 4 year requirement from ROTC she can do much better as a lawyer out in the civilian world.

Admirals don't make what a good lawyer makes (and she's very good - she got her mothers brains).>>>>

Don't be surprised if she stays. A military lawyer is quite an honored profession. All of my military lawyer friends made 06. They all did well in law when they retired.

Some lawyers in real life go into business and operate at a loss.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Not bad.

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Working at Canon U.S.A. Inc. 228 Reviews Indeed.com

A quick scan shows pretty good reviews for a manufacturing type environment.

Just what I said.

The manufacturing floor has pretty high turnover because it is - well - an assembly environment.


>>>>

It looks like a really good place to work. I still say that your daughter would be better of in the military. She might make admiral.

Your opinion is noted.

She's currently commissioned a 2nd LT in the Air Force and will be completing law school next year after she passes the bar next summer she'll do her active time in the JAG. After her 4 year requirement from ROTC she can do much better as a lawyer out in the civilian world.

Depends on what you mean by much better. I once asked an Army JAG officer why she was in JAG instead of the civilian world. She asked me if I knew what a first year lawyer did in a civilian firm. They work insane hours and do all the scut work of research and filings etc that the senior lawyers don't want to do. She pointed out that in JAG she was actually trying cases and doing more "real lawyer" work right away. I would think that 10 years in the military, building a record and avoiding the crap could well be worth the temporarily lower pay. And lawyers do get paid more than other officers (except doctors) because of their special qualifications.

JAG lawyers get paid the same amount as other officers in the military in terms of base pay and allowances. There is no "JAG Pay" like there is for Flight Pay for pilots.

However they may be eligible for certain signing bonuses. For the Air Force it's $20,000 for an additional 2 years beyond the initial 4 year commitment. At the six year point they can receive an additional $40,000 for another 4 years. Which would take the person to $60,000 over a 10 year period.

She'll be coming out of law school with about $70,000 in debt (which includes her undergrad debt, not bad at all). Average law school debt is$84,000 no including any undergraduate debt add in the average undergraduate debt before law school and that goes up to over $100,000.


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[presonorek]

[Trust me. Your daughter should stay in the Navy instead of looking for a lucrative salary outside of government employment.

In her case? Nope, she could do much better in the civilian market.


>>>>

Lol Never estimate the power of a delusional government dependent. Have you ever had a real job? ( that means your salary isn't paid by a government entity )

Goofy statement that. Tell a soldier he does not have a real job.

I would only do that if he pretended that he was underpaid or if he pretended he was better than a welfare recipient.

Otherwise I would have no reason to mention the obvious to him.