Betsy DeVos: Common Core is Dead

[Rustic]

Common core is all about control and has nothing to do with learning

You asshats call education & teaching children to think on their own as "Control".

Keep 'em stupid & at home is your motto. You are just afraid you kids will realize what a dumbass you are.

Just admit it, common core is a failure he gets less popular every day and it has failed our kids...

Your not understanding does not equal it's failure.

Common core does not work for my family, Sell your Snakeoil somewhere else

Schools have programs for the mentally challenged. Better than having them taught by morons at home.

Common core sucks, And is losing popularity every day

 

[RealDave]

You asshats call education & teaching children to think on their own as "Control".

Keep 'em stupid & at home is your motto. You are just afraid you kids will realize what a dumbass you are.

Just admit it, common core is a failure he gets less popular every day and it has failed our kids...

Your not understanding does not equal it's failure.

Common core does not work for my family, Sell your Snakeoil somewhere else

Schools have programs for the mentally challenged. Better than having them taught by morons at home.

Common core sucks, And is losing popularity every day

Only among the ignorant.

 

[Rustic]

Just admit it, common core is a failure he gets less popular every day and it has failed our kids...

Your not understanding does not equal it's failure.

Common core does not work for my family, Sell your Snakeoil somewhere else

Schools have programs for the mentally challenged. Better than having them taught by morons at home.

Common core sucks, And is losing popularity every day

Only among the ignorant.

 

[Yarddog]

Unlike the left, I prefer children learn math, reading, and writing as well as history.

So it was too hard for you.

That's the problem with the way you learned math. You learned to memorize things, but not understand them.

How does turning subtraction into addition make people understand it?

You are subtracting, bigger to smaller. Simple.

Common Core is just a case of people with too much time on their hands trying to fix something that wasn't broken.

We're lagging behind the rest of the western world when it comes to education, and you say "if it ain't broke..."

The point is ideas like using addition to solve a subtraction problem, or vice versa allow students to see how all of these concepts are interrelated. Math is more than just memorizing an individual set of rules for each type of operation.

It's the difference between memorizing rules, and understanding.

If we're lagging behind a country in math, say like Japan, it's not because we needed common core. We were lagging because Japan and many other countries put more emphasis on Home work for their kids and it is actually made a priority. Here in the US, you can see most of the kids after school running around on the street or they are on their phones. there is no discipline. Of course teachers could never never tell parents their kids needed more discipline at home and spend hours on their work, so instead they have to say there was something wrong with the system that was good enough to put people in space and give us computers.

And I disagree that the old system was just memorization. Before kids do problems like 25 + 15 they learned how to add groups of things or take away from groups in a way that is more visual. Again, it could come down to having either a good teacher or a crappy one who cannot explain things.

You were taught to add 5 & 5 & carry the one.
WTF is that. "carry the one"

It has no mathematic meaning. it is teaching no understanding.

No, if you add 5 + 5 you have 10 and there is no reason to carry a one. Now, if you add 25 + 25 ... then you add the 5s which are in the ones column... and you take that 1 which represents a 10 ,and does not belong in the ones column.. ( following so far??? ) then you carry it to the tens column where it belongs right above the 2 s that are in the tens column. your answer is 50... it's pretty damn simple for a second grader

 

[Yarddog]

Unlike the left, I prefer children learn math, reading, and writing as well as history.

So it was too hard for you.

That's the problem with the way you learned math. You learned to memorize things, but not understand them.

Whats wrong? you needed common core to help you understand what the other way meant?

Understanding mathematics instead of memorization has nothing to do with social issues.

It's not memorization it's ******* a fact


8 +5 = 13



Not ******* 10




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The child was correct in this example and the teacher was an idiot for trying to teach a convoluted concept to a kid who just needs to add. what an asinine system

Don't blame the program just because you have no clue as to the lesson being taught.

Common core is all about control and has nothing to do with learning

You asshats call education & teaching children to think on their own as "Control".

Keep 'em stupid & at home is your motto. You are just afraid you kids will realize what a dumbass you are.

Not really, just think that common core is not all that

 

[RealDave]

So it was too hard for you.

That's the problem with the way you learned math. You learned to memorize things, but not understand them.

How does turning subtraction into addition make people understand it?

You are subtracting, bigger to smaller. Simple.

Common Core is just a case of people with too much time on their hands trying to fix something that wasn't broken.

We're lagging behind the rest of the western world when it comes to education, and you say "if it ain't broke..."

The point is ideas like using addition to solve a subtraction problem, or vice versa allow students to see how all of these concepts are interrelated. Math is more than just memorizing an individual set of rules for each type of operation.

It's the difference between memorizing rules, and understanding.

If we're lagging behind a country in math, say like Japan, it's not because we needed common core. We were lagging because Japan and many other countries put more emphasis on Home work for their kids and it is actually made a priority. Here in the US, you can see most of the kids after school running around on the street or they are on their phones. there is no discipline. Of course teachers could never never tell parents their kids needed more discipline at home and spend hours on their work, so instead they have to say there was something wrong with the system that was good enough to put people in space and give us computers.

And I disagree that the old system was just memorization. Before kids do problems like 25 + 15 they learned how to add groups of things or take away from groups in a way that is more visual. Again, it could come down to having either a good teacher or a crappy one who cannot explain things.

You were taught to add 5 & 5 & carry the one.
WTF is that. "carry the one"

It has no mathematic meaning. it is teaching no understanding.

No, if you add 5 + 5 you have 10 and there is no reason to carry a one. Now, if you add 25 + 25 ... then you add the 5s which are in the ones column... and you take that 1 which represents a 10 ,and does not belong in the ones column.. ( following so far??? ) then you carry it to the tens column where it belongs right above the 2 s that are in the tens column. your answer is 50... it's pretty damn simple for a second grader

"It doesn't belong in the one's column" Yep that is being mathematical.

 

[Yarddog]

How does turning subtraction into addition make people understand it?

You are subtracting, bigger to smaller. Simple.

Common Core is just a case of people with too much time on their hands trying to fix something that wasn't broken.

We're lagging behind the rest of the western world when it comes to education, and you say "if it ain't broke..."

The point is ideas like using addition to solve a subtraction problem, or vice versa allow students to see how all of these concepts are interrelated. Math is more than just memorizing an individual set of rules for each type of operation.

It's the difference between memorizing rules, and understanding.

If we're lagging behind a country in math, say like Japan, it's not because we needed common core. We were lagging because Japan and many other countries put more emphasis on Home work for their kids and it is actually made a priority. Here in the US, you can see most of the kids after school running around on the street or they are on their phones. there is no discipline. Of course teachers could never never tell parents their kids needed more discipline at home and spend hours on their work, so instead they have to say there was something wrong with the system that was good enough to put people in space and give us computers.

And I disagree that the old system was just memorization. Before kids do problems like 25 + 15 they learned how to add groups of things or take away from groups in a way that is more visual. Again, it could come down to having either a good teacher or a crappy one who cannot explain things.

You were taught to add 5 & 5 & carry the one.
WTF is that. "carry the one"

It has no mathematic meaning. it is teaching no understanding.

No, if you add 5 + 5 you have 10 and there is no reason to carry a one. Now, if you add 25 + 25 ... then you add the 5s which are in the ones column... and you take that 1 which represents a 10 ,and does not belong in the ones column.. ( following so far??? ) then you carry it to the tens column where it belongs right above the 2 s that are in the tens column. your answer is 50... it's pretty damn simple for a second grader

"It doesn't belong in the one's column" Yep that is being mathematical.

hahaha , did you have a bad teacher in grammar school? was it really that hard? yes its pretty mathematical that when you have a number like 25, the 5 represents ones, and the big 2 represents 10s they usually help kids understand this in first grade with groups of apples or fish. i dont see how anyone can say that style of math is not helping to understand or only memorization unless they had a terrible teacher.

 

[RealDave]

We're lagging behind the rest of the western world when it comes to education, and you say "if it ain't broke..."

The point is ideas like using addition to solve a subtraction problem, or vice versa allow students to see how all of these concepts are interrelated. Math is more than just memorizing an individual set of rules for each type of operation.

It's the difference between memorizing rules, and understanding.

If we're lagging behind a country in math, say like Japan, it's not because we needed common core. We were lagging because Japan and many other countries put more emphasis on Home work for their kids and it is actually made a priority. Here in the US, you can see most of the kids after school running around on the street or they are on their phones. there is no discipline. Of course teachers could never never tell parents their kids needed more discipline at home and spend hours on their work, so instead they have to say there was something wrong with the system that was good enough to put people in space and give us computers.

And I disagree that the old system was just memorization. Before kids do problems like 25 + 15 they learned how to add groups of things or take away from groups in a way that is more visual. Again, it could come down to having either a good teacher or a crappy one who cannot explain things.

You were taught to add 5 & 5 & carry the one.
WTF is that. "carry the one"

It has no mathematic meaning. it is teaching no understanding.

No, if you add 5 + 5 you have 10 and there is no reason to carry a one. Now, if you add 25 + 25 ... then you add the 5s which are in the ones column... and you take that 1 which represents a 10 ,and does not belong in the ones column.. ( following so far??? ) then you carry it to the tens column where it belongs right above the 2 s that are in the tens column. your answer is 50... it's pretty damn simple for a second grader

"It doesn't belong in the one's column" Yep that is being mathematical.

hahaha , did you have a bad teacher in grammar school? was it really that hard? yes its pretty mathematical that when you have a number like 25, the 5 represents ones, and the big 2 represents 10s they usually help kids understand this in first grade with groups of apples or fish. i dont see how anyone can say that style of math is not helping to understand or only memorization unless they had a terrible teacher.

What Common Core teaches is really not that different. I find those complaining either don't know what it is or does not understand it.

This right wing "OMG OMG Common Core" s a sign of ignorance & stupidity.

 

[initforme]

Common core arrived from a majority of republican governors who succumbed to the whiners who scream about accoutability.

 

[Yarddog]

Common core arrived from a majority of republican governors who succumbed to the whiners who scream about accoutability.

I believe that's the case. Heaven forbid, parents were told they needed to make their kids crack down and do their homework. They had to make believe there was something wrong with the system instead in order to save their self esteem, then end up paying for a company to develop something like common core.

 

[Yarddog]

If we're lagging behind a country in math, say like Japan, it's not because we needed common core. We were lagging because Japan and many other countries put more emphasis on Home work for their kids and it is actually made a priority. Here in the US, you can see most of the kids after school running around on the street or they are on their phones. there is no discipline. Of course teachers could never never tell parents their kids needed more discipline at home and spend hours on their work, so instead they have to say there was something wrong with the system that was good enough to put people in space and give us computers.

And I disagree that the old system was just memorization. Before kids do problems like 25 + 15 they learned how to add groups of things or take away from groups in a way that is more visual. Again, it could come down to having either a good teacher or a crappy one who cannot explain things.

You were taught to add 5 & 5 & carry the one.
WTF is that. "carry the one"

It has no mathematic meaning. it is teaching no understanding.

No, if you add 5 + 5 you have 10 and there is no reason to carry a one. Now, if you add 25 + 25 ... then you add the 5s which are in the ones column... and you take that 1 which represents a 10 ,and does not belong in the ones column.. ( following so far??? ) then you carry it to the tens column where it belongs right above the 2 s that are in the tens column. your answer is 50... it's pretty damn simple for a second grader

"It doesn't belong in the one's column" Yep that is being mathematical.

hahaha , did you have a bad teacher in grammar school? was it really that hard? yes its pretty mathematical that when you have a number like 25, the 5 represents ones, and the big 2 represents 10s they usually help kids understand this in first grade with groups of apples or fish. i dont see how anyone can say that style of math is not helping to understand or only memorization unless they had a terrible teacher.

What Common Core teaches is really not that different. I find those complaining either don't know what it is or does not understand it.

This right wing "OMG OMG Common Core" s a sign of ignorance & stupidity.

Problem is , "somebody" decided little kids need to learn these deeper concepts first, before they just lean how to add and subtract or multiply in basic form. These other concepts such as making change for money in your head using a different technique, can also be introduced a bit later once kids knowledge has become more sophisticated. It obviously has been causing disruptions in more ways than one. Else, there would not be complaints about this experiment

A New Kind of Problem: The Common Core Math Standards

 

[Yarddog]

 

[JoeMoma]

You were taught to add 5 & 5 & carry the one.
WTF is that. "carry the one"

It has no mathematic meaning. it is teaching no understanding.

No, if you add 5 + 5 you have 10 and there is no reason to carry a one. Now, if you add 25 + 25 ... then you add the 5s which are in the ones column... and you take that 1 which represents a 10 ,and does not belong in the ones column.. ( following so far??? ) then you carry it to the tens column where it belongs right above the 2 s that are in the tens column. your answer is 50... it's pretty damn simple for a second grader

"It doesn't belong in the one's column" Yep that is being mathematical.

hahaha , did you have a bad teacher in grammar school? was it really that hard? yes its pretty mathematical that when you have a number like 25, the 5 represents ones, and the big 2 represents 10s they usually help kids understand this in first grade with groups of apples or fish. i dont see how anyone can say that style of math is not helping to understand or only memorization unless they had a terrible teacher.

What Common Core teaches is really not that different. I find those complaining either don't know what it is or does not understand it.

This right wing "OMG OMG Common Core" s a sign of ignorance & stupidity.

Problem is , "somebody" decided little kids need to learn these deeper concepts first, before they just lean how to add and subtract or multiply in basic form. These other concepts such as making change for money in your head using a different technique, can also be introduced a bit later once kids knowledge has become more sophisticated. It obviously has been causing disruptions in more ways than one. Else, there would not be complaints about this experiment

A New Kind of Problem: The Common Core Math Standards

I agree. Another major problem, at least in my state was how it was implemented, or at least attempted to be implemented.

The state attempted to have all grades switch to common core at once. The problem with that is common core changed the years in which many of the topics were to be covered. Thus a kid promoted from 9th grade from the old standard would not have the foundation for many of the 10th grade common core standards. The logical approach to have taken would have been to start common core with the first grade and phase it in one year at a time as that class graduated through each grade.

 

[JoeMoma]

It seems like Sophia started the chart method with a wasted step. With the number 460 charted, she moved a ten over to make ten ones. Then when she added the 5 ones from the number 295, she ended up moving the 10 back over. Had the chart method not had that goofy step, it would had really been doing the exact same thing as the traditional method she used on the other side of the paper.

 

[RealDave]

You were taught to add 5 & 5 & carry the one.
WTF is that. "carry the one"

It has no mathematic meaning. it is teaching no understanding.

No, if you add 5 + 5 you have 10 and there is no reason to carry a one. Now, if you add 25 + 25 ... then you add the 5s which are in the ones column... and you take that 1 which represents a 10 ,and does not belong in the ones column.. ( following so far??? ) then you carry it to the tens column where it belongs right above the 2 s that are in the tens column. your answer is 50... it's pretty damn simple for a second grader

"It doesn't belong in the one's column" Yep that is being mathematical.

hahaha , did you have a bad teacher in grammar school? was it really that hard? yes its pretty mathematical that when you have a number like 25, the 5 represents ones, and the big 2 represents 10s they usually help kids understand this in first grade with groups of apples or fish. i dont see how anyone can say that style of math is not helping to understand or only memorization unless they had a terrible teacher.

What Common Core teaches is really not that different. I find those complaining either don't know what it is or does not understand it.

This right wing "OMG OMG Common Core" s a sign of ignorance & stupidity.

Problem is , "somebody" decided little kids need to learn these deeper concepts first, before they just lean how to add and subtract or multiply in basic form. These other concepts such as making change for money in your head using a different technique, can also be introduced a bit later once kids knowledge has become more sophisticated. It obviously has been causing disruptions in more ways than one. Else, there would not be complaints about this experiment

A New Kind of Problem: The Common Core Math Standards

So you want to teach them one way & then change & teach them a different way?

Common Core was developed by a team of professional with years of education & experience.

There is always a complaint about education from the far right. "OMG OMG OMG the liberals are brainwashing our chjildren!!! OMG OMG OMG" and "OMG OMG OMG unioins!!!! Evil Unions are controlling our kids!!!!"

 

[Flopper]

The problem with common core is that it doesn't work, the theory behind it being "easier" for kids was wrong. It may indeed be better for "some" kids, but it is not better for all, and I'd argue "most" kids. Doing extra steps to dumb everything down to "easy" numbers is no more helpful to "knowing how it works" than simply "knowing" that there are ten ones in ten, using fingers and toes, and so forth. In the end, different methods work for different people, and the "communist" idea attached to common core is because the gov. dictated that it had to be that way or no way - regardless of if that method failed on the kids or not. It didn't encourage alternative methods and in fact started /failing/ kids who got the right answer, simply because they didn't use /that/ method. In the "big picture" it goes against American ingenuity and punishes thinking out of the box, causing many American "freedom lovers" to reject it vehemently. Instead of /listening/ to the people, and children, the "gov" via their supporters and fruit loops, instead hurl's insults "you're just to stupid to understand it" which causes a visceral reaction. That's what you get for insulting everyone simply because they don't agree with you ~shrug~

Learning mathematics is hard for most kids. Learning to think like a mathematician just makes it a lot easier and that is what the common core math standard is all about. For example, kids are often asked to write what something really means. The purpose is to get kids to think about numbers and expressions and what they really mean.
Parents see an exercise such as:
347.392 = 3 × 100 + 4 × 10 + 7 × 1 + 3 × (1/10) + 9 × (1/100) + 2 × (1/1000)
and they say how dumb everybody knows that. They should be teaching my kid how to do long division. However, what the teacher is doing is teaching a kid a to think about what those number really mean. In common core you can see the reason for each standard and thus understand the need.

Since common core is just a standard not a method of teaching, schools with the help of curriculum specialist can design many types of classroom exercises that allow students to explore topics. That is the heart of common core, teaching kids to think, to question, and to explore.

When I was a kid, a long time ago, math was just a chore, memorizing your multiplication tables, a method for division, a method to calculate square root, coverting decimals to fractions, etc. In high school it was more of the same in Algebra, learning methods for solving equations. In college, Integral calculus was learning integration and solving equations. Finally in my senior year and in graduate school I was exposed to real mathematics, number theory, vector calculus, etc and I understood nothing because I was totally unprepared. I could solve equations with no problem but I lacked a real understanding of mathematics. This is what we need to fix. Kids need to be taught how to think in mathematical terms, not just do mathematically operations.

Okay, clearly "common core" isn't the right answer. It failed, bigly.

Setting the standard is not the problem.

 

[Flopper]

If common core was so great, then why did students get worse scores in math after 8 years of it?

The US keeps falling compared to other countries. Common core failed, just like we conservatives said it would.

There was no 8 years of Common Core. My state was the first to implement it in 2011 and ended it in 2016. That's not 8 years.

Other countries are not overrun with illegals and minorities that lower scores either. There is no fair comparison.

Why do education bashers have to lie?

There is no one simple solution. I have 6 grandkids in high school in 3 different states. What I see as a common problem is really large class sizes, 25 to 35 students in high school math and science classes with only about 45 mins of class time is nuts. Longer class times with less meeting a week would seem to make more sense and is being done in some places. All the homework assignments are online assignments and thus it is nearly impossible for a parent to monitor their child. Long gone are the days when a the kid sat at a table with a book, paper, and pencil doing an assignment. Today they sit in a front of a computer, or tablet with earphones on flipping back and forth between social media sites, texting, school assignments and their favorite videos. Lastly, help from the schools for kids that are having problems is a joke.

I doubt the answers lie in the standards we set but rather how we go about meeting those standards.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If common core was so great, then why did students get worse scores in math after 8 years of it?

The US keeps falling compared to other countries. Common core failed, just like we conservatives said it would.

There was no 8 years of Common Core. My state was the first to implement it in 2011 and ended it in 2016. That's not 8 years.

Other countries are not overrun with illegals and minorities that lower scores either. There is no fair comparison.

Why do education bashers have to lie?

There is no one simple solution. I have 6 grandkids in high school in 3 different states. What I see as a common problem is really large class sizes, 25 to 35 students in high school math and science classes with only about 45 mins of class time is nuts. Longer class times with less meeting a week would seem to make more sense and is being done in some places. All the homework assignments are online assignments and thus it is nearly impossible for a parent to monitor their child. Long gone are the days when a the kid sat at a table with a book, paper, and pencil doing an assignment. Today they sit in a front of a computer, or tablet with earphones on flipping back and forth between social media sites, texting, school assignments and their favorite videos. Lastly, help from the schools for kids that are having problems is a joke.

I doubt the answers lie in the standards we set but rather how we go about meeting those standards.

You have some good points, but you can monitor their work online if you make the effort.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

There is no such thing as Common Core addition. That is a method, not a standard.

Common Core say add two 3-digit numbers.

That is all. Have a nice day!

 

[Flopper]

No, if you add 5 + 5 you have 10 and there is no reason to carry a one. Now, if you add 25 + 25 ... then you add the 5s which are in the ones column... and you take that 1 which represents a 10 ,and does not belong in the ones column.. ( following so far??? ) then you carry it to the tens column where it belongs right above the 2 s that are in the tens column. your answer is 50... it's pretty damn simple for a second grader

"It doesn't belong in the one's column" Yep that is being mathematical.

hahaha , did you have a bad teacher in grammar school? was it really that hard? yes its pretty mathematical that when you have a number like 25, the 5 represents ones, and the big 2 represents 10s they usually help kids understand this in first grade with groups of apples or fish. i dont see how anyone can say that style of math is not helping to understand or only memorization unless they had a terrible teacher.

What Common Core teaches is really not that different. I find those complaining either don't know what it is or does not understand it.

This right wing "OMG OMG Common Core" s a sign of ignorance & stupidity.

Problem is , "somebody" decided little kids need to learn these deeper concepts first, before they just lean how to add and subtract or multiply in basic form. These other concepts such as making change for money in your head using a different technique, can also be introduced a bit later once kids knowledge has become more sophisticated. It obviously has been causing disruptions in more ways than one. Else, there would not be complaints about this experiment

A New Kind of Problem: The Common Core Math Standards

I agree. Another major problem, at least in my state was how it was implemented, or at least attempted to be implemented.

The state attempted to have all grades switch to common core at once. The problem with that is common core changed the years in which many of the topics were to be covered. Thus a kid promoted from 9th grade from the old standard would not have the foundation for many of the 10th grade common core standards. The logical approach to have taken would have been to start common core with the first grade and phase it in one year at a time as that class graduated through each grade.

One of the differences in common core and previous standards is we do not teach a topic at just one grade level. Each grade level builds on the concepts of the previous grade level. Also, students are graded less on numeric answers and more on proof of understanding the concept. This translates into a lot less time spent on arithmetic drill and practice and much more time spent on problem solving.

For example the standards for common core math
Operations and Algebraic Thinking are covered in each grade each year adding on to previous years accomplishments:

At the Kindergarten level:
Understand addition as putting together and adding to, and understand subtraction as taking apart and taking from.
CCSS.MATH.CONTENT.K.OA.A.1
Represent addition and subtraction with objects, fingers, mental images, drawings, sounds (e.g., claps), acting out situations, verbal explanations, expressions, or equations.

At the 1st grade level:
Solve word problems that call for addition of three whole numbers whose sum is less than or equal to 20, e.g., by using objects, drawings, and equations with a symbol for the unknown number to represent the problem.

At the 2nd grade level:
Represent and solve problems involving addition and subtraction.
CCSS.MATH.CONTENT.2.OA.A.1
Use addition and subtraction within 100 to solve one- and two-step word problems involving situations of adding to, taking from, putting together, taking apart, and comparing, with unknowns in all positions, e.g., by using drawings and equations with a symbol for the unknown number to represent the problem.

At the 3rd grade level:
Represent and solve problems involving multiplication and division.
CCSS.MATH.CONTENT.3.OA.A.1
Interpret products of whole numbers, e.g., interpret 5 × 7 as the total number of objects in 5 groups of 7 objects each. For example, describe a context in which a total number of objects can be expressed as 5 × 7.

Parents often complain that their child makes too many mistakes and is very slow in doing multiplication and long division, can't recall the 12 times multiplication table. What these parents don't understand is there was a time when this was really important but not today. Ask yourself just how important is performing math operations today when you have a calculator on your wrist, one in your pocket, and one on your desk. Employers don't care how long it take you to divide two 4 digit numbers but they certainly care about your ability to accurate estimate the amount of sod a customer will need for his irregular shaped lawn, or your ability to to adapt a recipe, or determine the weight going into his trucks, or loading on beam, etc.. The goal of common core is to teach kids to think, to use math concepts to solve real world problems, not to perform mathematical functions any calculator can do.