Quasar44
Diamond Member
I only want semi auto and 20 g.
I think 12g will kick too much
Must have 6 shoots
Must be super low maintenance
I think 12g will kick too much
Must have 6 shoots
Must be super low maintenance
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I only want semi auto and 20 g.
I think 12g will kick too much
Must have 6 shoots
Must be super low maintenance
Anything less than 12 gauge wont be taken seriously. I think the 12 gauge pump is likely the most effective as the sound of racking a round in a 12 gauge pump is widely recognised and so well known it alone is often enough of a deterrent. For that reason I keep a Winchester SXP Home Defender marine version close at hand. The stainless construction of the marine verion keeps maintenance low.I only want semi auto and 20 g.
I think 12g will kick too much
Must have 6 shoots
Must be super low maintenance
Good enough!I got one but it only holds 5 shoots.
Anything less than 12 gauge wont be taken seriously. I think the 12 gauge pump is likly to mist effective as the sound of racking a round in a 12 gauge pump is widely recognised and so well known it alone is often enough of a deterrent. For that reason ipto keep a Winchester SXP. Home Defender marine version close at hand. The stainless construction of the marine verion keeps maintenance low.I only want semi auto and 20 g.
I think 12g will kick too much
Must have 6 shoots
Must be super low maintenance
I was just thinking about 2 20 gauge semi-autos, 1 for each hand..ultimate home defense!
Well, that's going on the back burner for now..5-6 rounds apiece.
Last time I shot a 12 gauge, felt like my teeth were going to break.
Can't be having that.
I only want semi auto and 20 g.
I think 12g will kick too much
Must have 6 shoots
Must be super low maintenance
I only want semi auto and 20 g.
I think 12g will kick too much
Must have 6 shoots
Must be super low maintenance
The best "shotgun" for self/home defense is an AR-15 pattern weapon, with one lower receiver and two different caliber "pistol" uppers. Right now a couple of extremely reliable small businesses are offering AR uppers in a host of calibers at extremely reasonable prices, and mostly in stock. As someone above mentioned ammo availability is variable to not at all, depending on who you know, so it's never been a better time to load and reload your own ammo.
I recommend purchasing one AR-15 pistol upper in .300 Blackout and one in .458 SOCOM, both with nothing shorter than 12.5" barrels (more on this later). .300 Blackout, while semi-expensive to run, is a caliber capable of fulfilling most any home defense need from high-velocity frangible rounds to 240+ grain subsonic loads that hit like a semi-truck up close and can be whisper quiet if suppressed. .458 SOCOM is a large diameter round capable of putting down a charging Kodiak Bear up close or penetrating construction material barriers, windshields and even car doors. Lighter, faster home defense loads exist, but where the .458 really shines is in its 500 grain+ monster bullet loads which will flatten anything that could threaten you, even if you lived during the Jurassic Period. .300 Blackout recoil is negligible, while .458 SOCOM kicks about the same as a 20 gauge slug.
Right, so once you've purchased these two uppers you'll be able to interchange them at will on the same lower receiver and very possibly use the same magazines (research it). One lower receiver, two easily switched out weapons systems. Make sure you don't go under 12.5" barrel lengths for the pistol uppers or you'll be short of the 26" overall weapon length the Feds use as a cutoff for NFA bullshit such as classifying AR weapons as SBR/pistols or AOW (any other weapons), which you don't want, if you plan to add a stock or foregrip attachments because then you'd have to worry about purchasing tax stamps for your "SBR" or short barrel weapon and that can take a year or more.
At any rate, with those two calibers at hand, you can effectively defend yourself/your family and feed them.
I only want semi auto and 20 g.
I think 12g will kick too much
Must have 6 shoots
Must be super low maintenance
The best "shotgun" for self/home defense is an AR-15 pattern weapon, with one lower receiver and two different caliber "pistol" uppers. Right now a couple of extremely reliable small businesses are offering AR uppers in a host of calibers at extremely reasonable prices, and mostly in stock. As someone above mentioned ammo availability is variable to not at all, depending on who you know, so it's never been a better time to load and reload your own ammo.
I recommend purchasing one AR-15 pistol upper in .300 Blackout and one in .458 SOCOM, both with nothing shorter than 12.5" barrels (more on this later). .300 Blackout, while semi-expensive to run, is a caliber capable of fulfilling most any home defense need from high-velocity frangible rounds to 240+ grain subsonic loads that hit like a semi-truck up close and can be whisper quiet if suppressed. .458 SOCOM is a large diameter round capable of putting down a charging Kodiak Bear up close or penetrating construction material barriers, windshields and even car doors. Lighter, faster home defense loads exist, but where the .458 really shines is in its 500 grain+ monster bullet loads which will flatten anything that could threaten you, even if you lived during the Jurassic Period. .300 Blackout recoil is negligible, while .458 SOCOM kicks about the same as a 20 gauge slug.
Right, so once you've purchased these two uppers you'll be able to interchange them at will on the same lower receiver and very possibly use the same magazines (research it). One lower receiver, two easily switched out weapons systems. Make sure you don't go under 12.5" barrel lengths for the pistol uppers or you'll be short of the 26" overall weapon length the Feds use as a cutoff for NFA bullshit such as classifying AR weapons as SBR/pistols or AOW (any other weapons), which you don't want, if you plan to add a stock or foregrip attachments because then you'd have to worry about purchasing tax stamps for your "SBR" or short barrel weapon and that can take a year or more.
At any rate, with those two calibers at hand, you can effectively defend yourself/your family and feed them.
View attachment 367579
Yeah, have you ever fired a rifle indoors? ARs are LOUD! They also have a concussive blast.
Not good! That can stun you just as much as who you missed shooting at, true story!
Better off with shotgun or pop-pop pistol. That's reality.
.45 acp
20 gauge (this is my preference)
9mm
10mm
.44 whatever..that's the limit for indoors.
.22 with a shit ton of bullets.
Firing a .223 indoors (which is what an AR usually is) is not a good plan, is what I was saying. We're on the same page, but in different areas. There is a concussive blast, and that's a problem.I only want semi auto and 20 g.
I think 12g will kick too much
Must have 6 shoots
Must be super low maintenance
The best "shotgun" for self/home defense is an AR-15 pattern weapon, with one lower receiver and two different caliber "pistol" uppers. Right now a couple of extremely reliable small businesses are offering AR uppers in a host of calibers at extremely reasonable prices, and mostly in stock. As someone above mentioned ammo availability is variable to not at all, depending on who you know, so it's never been a better time to load and reload your own ammo.
I recommend purchasing one AR-15 pistol upper in .300 Blackout and one in .458 SOCOM, both with nothing shorter than 12.5" barrels (more on this later). .300 Blackout, while semi-expensive to run, is a caliber capable of fulfilling most any home defense need from high-velocity frangible rounds to 240+ grain subsonic loads that hit like a semi-truck up close and can be whisper quiet if suppressed. .458 SOCOM is a large diameter round capable of putting down a charging Kodiak Bear up close or penetrating construction material barriers, windshields and even car doors. Lighter, faster home defense loads exist, but where the .458 really shines is in its 500 grain+ monster bullet loads which will flatten anything that could threaten you, even if you lived during the Jurassic Period. .300 Blackout recoil is negligible, while .458 SOCOM kicks about the same as a 20 gauge slug.
Right, so once you've purchased these two uppers you'll be able to interchange them at will on the same lower receiver and very possibly use the same magazines (research it). One lower receiver, two easily switched out weapons systems. Make sure you don't go under 12.5" barrel lengths for the pistol uppers or you'll be short of the 26" overall weapon length the Feds use as a cutoff for NFA bullshit such as classifying AR weapons as SBR/pistols or AOW (any other weapons), which you don't want, if you plan to add a stock or foregrip attachments because then you'd have to worry about purchasing tax stamps for your "SBR" or short barrel weapon and that can take a year or more.
At any rate, with those two calibers at hand, you can effectively defend yourself/your family and feed them.
View attachment 367579
Yeah, have you ever fired a rifle indoors? ARs are LOUD! They also have a concussive blast.
Not good! That can stun you just as much as who you missed shooting at, true story!
Better off with shotgun or pop-pop pistol. That's reality.
.45 acp
20 gauge (this is my preference)
9mm
10mm
.44 whatever..that's the limit for indoors.
.22 with a shit ton of bullets.
Extensively—both inside kill houses and foreign and domestic residences. For the sake of standing tall on both calibers I recommended, subsonic and some supersonic loads for .300 Blackout and .458 SOCOM are slower AND thus quieter at the muzzle than 12ga. (1200-1500fps) and certainly quieter 20ga. (1800fps) slug and buckshot loads. I run both calibers (.300 and .458) suppressed for home defense and so audible discharge is much lower still. There's that, and then there's firing a weapon in actual self-defense or offense and never hearing a sound until after the sphincter factor has subsided. Nevertheless, to each their own, Duke.
Can the Con. Blast knock me out and I imagine it would be very very loudFiring a .223 indoors (which is what an AR usually is) is not a good plan, is what I was saying. We're on the same page, but in different areas. There is a concussive blast, and that's a problem.I only want semi auto and 20 g.
I think 12g will kick too much
Must have 6 shoots
Must be super low maintenance
The best "shotgun" for self/home defense is an AR-15 pattern weapon, with one lower receiver and two different caliber "pistol" uppers. Right now a couple of extremely reliable small businesses are offering AR uppers in a host of calibers at extremely reasonable prices, and mostly in stock. As someone above mentioned ammo availability is variable to not at all, depending on who you know, so it's never been a better time to load and reload your own ammo.
I recommend purchasing one AR-15 pistol upper in .300 Blackout and one in .458 SOCOM, both with nothing shorter than 12.5" barrels (more on this later). .300 Blackout, while semi-expensive to run, is a caliber capable of fulfilling most any home defense need from high-velocity frangible rounds to 240+ grain subsonic loads that hit like a semi-truck up close and can be whisper quiet if suppressed. .458 SOCOM is a large diameter round capable of putting down a charging Kodiak Bear up close or penetrating construction material barriers, windshields and even car doors. Lighter, faster home defense loads exist, but where the .458 really shines is in its 500 grain+ monster bullet loads which will flatten anything that could threaten you, even if you lived during the Jurassic Period. .300 Blackout recoil is negligible, while .458 SOCOM kicks about the same as a 20 gauge slug.
Right, so once you've purchased these two uppers you'll be able to interchange them at will on the same lower receiver and very possibly use the same magazines (research it). One lower receiver, two easily switched out weapons systems. Make sure you don't go under 12.5" barrel lengths for the pistol uppers or you'll be short of the 26" overall weapon length the Feds use as a cutoff for NFA bullshit such as classifying AR weapons as SBR/pistols or AOW (any other weapons), which you don't want, if you plan to add a stock or foregrip attachments because then you'd have to worry about purchasing tax stamps for your "SBR" or short barrel weapon and that can take a year or more.
At any rate, with those two calibers at hand, you can effectively defend yourself/your family and feed them.
View attachment 367579
Yeah, have you ever fired a rifle indoors? ARs are LOUD! They also have a concussive blast.
Not good! That can stun you just as much as who you missed shooting at, true story!
Better off with shotgun or pop-pop pistol. That's reality.
.45 acp
20 gauge (this is my preference)
9mm
10mm
.44 whatever..that's the limit for indoors.
.22 with a shit ton of bullets.
Extensively—both inside kill houses and foreign and domestic residences. For the sake of standing tall on both calibers I recommended, subsonic and some supersonic loads for .300 Blackout and .458 SOCOM are slower AND thus quieter at the muzzle than 12ga. (1200-1500fps) and certainly quieter 20ga. (1800fps) slug and buckshot loads. I run both calibers (.300 and .458) suppressed for home defense and so audible discharge is much lower still. There's that, and then there's firing a weapon in actual self-defense or offense and never hearing a sound until after the sphincter factor has subsided. Nevertheless, to each their own, Duke.
20 gauge slug/00 buckshot/#4 shot..not so much a problem.