Ben Carson: We need a holistic approach to HUD

[Moonglow]

Are you saying that it's not winter?

I'm saying you like to try and sit on the fence so you can have it both ways.
Not the way I play.
You trying say that any success Carson might have is because he is necessarily "Progressive" makes you look stupid.
I am also saying that your entire ideology is based on fraud.

I'd point out that ANY success in HUD will be seen as progressive if it helps people.

That IS the measure of HUD. It's the whole reason it exists.

So far, I really don't believe you know what Carson is going to do. But, his statements make it sound like his view includes the idea that helping poor people is best accomplished by kicking them to the street.

And, that certainly isn't going to be seen as success at HUD.

Thank you for proving my point. The entire premise of "Progressivism" is that if ANYTHNG helps anyone they are responsible for it.
They NEVER do ANYTHING different, they always do the same thing over and over and over.

The ONLY idea ANY "Progressive" EVER espouses is " Make the rich pay".
Sorry that is silly and stupid and vapid.

pro·gres·siv·ism
prəˈɡresəˌvizəm/
noun

1. support for or advocacy of social reform.
   "the country is seen as a bastion of social progressivism"

By taking us back to the 1920s??
Isn't that what led to the Great Depression?

Social reform,,,I thought was over production and a lack of sales...

 

[mudwhistle]

The owners of the housing units seem to be liking HUD...

I don't. They're a pain in the ass and most people that qualify for Section 8 are the worst tenants I have.

 

[Moonglow]

Let me help:

If you have no ideas whatsoever just don't post.

Or, find somewhere people think ad hom is a sign of intelligence.

I have a better idea.
Wait till he's in office before you start expecting results.
Rome wasn't built in a day you know.

Trump and his appointees should get as much lee way as Obama got. Don't you agree?

Your fascist liberal world is ending in a week....please step aside.....

Are they going to get rid of HUD also?

It would definitely be run better....

I am sure Ben will straighten it all out...

 

[Moonglow]

The owners of the housing units seem to be liking HUD...

I don't. They're a pain in the ass and most people that qualify for Section 8 are the worst tenants I have.

Even the little old ladies?

 

[WillReadmore]

That's a preposterous comparison.

Nobody has called Carson "fake".

Carson went to great schools, too. So, given his claims of no family money, one has to ask who paid for his education. One doesn't work their way through school to becoming a brain surgeon - nor can one do that today.

And, the charges against Obama not doing enough fly in the face of the Republican congressmen who have opposed Obama's direction on this - even to the point of saying that their OBJECTIVE was motivated by no higher cause than causing the failure of the US president!!

If Carson is to be successful in helping those in need it will require a VERY DIFFERENT congress than Obama had.

Plus, Carson has said NOTHING about what his direction might be.

And give you assholes something to be critical of?
Why on Earth would he do that?

Let me help:

If you have no ideas whatsoever just don't post.

Or, find somewhere people think ad hom is a sign of intelligence.

I have a better idea.
Wait till he's in office before you start expecting results.
Rome wasn't built in a day you know.

Sure. In the end, that IS what happens.

But, we're in the confirmation process, and that IS when we need to be thinking about the change that is likely to take place.

So far, Carson hasn't given much of a clue concerning what he's going to do to HUD.

And, that is a SERIOUS issue for a large number of Americans who have housing today due to the efforts of HUD - let alone the nearly 2M who are homeless today.

 

[mudwhistle]

I'm saying you like to try and sit on the fence so you can have it both ways.
Not the way I play.
You trying say that any success Carson might have is because he is necessarily "Progressive" makes you look stupid.
I am also saying that your entire ideology is based on fraud.

I'd point out that ANY success in HUD will be seen as progressive if it helps people.

That IS the measure of HUD. It's the whole reason it exists.

So far, I really don't believe you know what Carson is going to do. But, his statements make it sound like his view includes the idea that helping poor people is best accomplished by kicking them to the street.

And, that certainly isn't going to be seen as success at HUD.

Thank you for proving my point. The entire premise of "Progressivism" is that if ANYTHNG helps anyone they are responsible for it.
They NEVER do ANYTHING different, they always do the same thing over and over and over.

The ONLY idea ANY "Progressive" EVER espouses is " Make the rich pay".
Sorry that is silly and stupid and vapid.

pro·gres·siv·ism
prəˈɡresəˌvizəm/
noun

1. support for or advocacy of social reform.
   "the country is seen as a bastion of social progressivism"

By taking us back to the 1920s??
Isn't that what led to the Great Depression?

Social reform,,,I thought was over production and a lack of sales...

The meaning of Social Reform has changed for these progressives.

It involves Blacklivesmatters, Social Justice, income controls, and killing the American Dream.

 

[Doc1]

I'd point out that ANY success in HUD will be seen as progressive if it helps people.

That IS the measure of HUD. It's the whole reason it exists.

So far, I really don't believe you know what Carson is going to do. But, his statements make it sound like his view includes the idea that helping poor people is best accomplished by kicking them to the street.

And, that certainly isn't going to be seen as success at HUD.

Thank you for proving my point. The entire premise of "Progressivism" is that if ANYTHNG helps anyone they are responsible for it.
They NEVER do ANYTHING different, they always do the same thing over and over and over.

The ONLY idea ANY "Progressive" EVER espouses is " Make the rich pay".
Sorry that is silly and stupid and vapid.

pro·gres·siv·ism
prəˈɡresəˌvizəm/
noun

1. support for or advocacy of social reform.
   "the country is seen as a bastion of social progressivism"

By taking us back to the 1920s??
Isn't that what led to the Great Depression?

Social reform,,,I thought was over production and a lack of sales...

The meaning of Social Reform has changed for these progressives.

It involves Blacklivesmatters, Social Justice, income controls, and killing the American Dream.

Black Lives Matter right up until they try to get into one of my doors.
Then they are no more than a stain on my walls.

 

[Moonglow]

I'd point out that ANY success in HUD will be seen as progressive if it helps people.

That IS the measure of HUD. It's the whole reason it exists.

So far, I really don't believe you know what Carson is going to do. But, his statements make it sound like his view includes the idea that helping poor people is best accomplished by kicking them to the street.

And, that certainly isn't going to be seen as success at HUD.

Thank you for proving my point. The entire premise of "Progressivism" is that if ANYTHNG helps anyone they are responsible for it.
They NEVER do ANYTHING different, they always do the same thing over and over and over.

The ONLY idea ANY "Progressive" EVER espouses is " Make the rich pay".
Sorry that is silly and stupid and vapid.

pro·gres·siv·ism
prəˈɡresəˌvizəm/
noun

1. support for or advocacy of social reform.
   "the country is seen as a bastion of social progressivism"

By taking us back to the 1920s??
Isn't that what led to the Great Depression?

Social reform,,,I thought was over production and a lack of sales...

The meaning of Social Reform has changed for these progressives.

It involves Blacklivesmatters, Social Justice, income controls, and killing the American Dream.

Yet they are not in control of any office in the federal govt..Nothing is holding back a person from living the American dream, that is a cop out..

 

[BULLDOG]

Thank you for proving my point. The entire premise of "Progressivism" is that if ANYTHNG helps anyone they are responsible for it.
They NEVER do ANYTHING different, they always do the same thing over and over and over.

The ONLY idea ANY "Progressive" EVER espouses is " Make the rich pay".
Sorry that is silly and stupid and vapid.

pro·gres·siv·ism
prəˈɡresəˌvizəm/
noun

1. support for or advocacy of social reform.
   "the country is seen as a bastion of social progressivism"

By taking us back to the 1920s??
Isn't that what led to the Great Depression?

Social reform,,,I thought was over production and a lack of sales...

The meaning of Social Reform has changed for these progressives.

It involves Blacklivesmatters, Social Justice, income controls, and killing the American Dream.

Black Lives Matter right up until they try to get into one of my doors.
Then they are no more than a stain on my walls.

No one will come to your door if you take down that FREE BLOWJOB sign.

 

[shockedcanadian]

LOL, just like it's colder because of Global Warming.
Dumbass.

Really!? I thought it was colder due to it being winter.....Imagine that..

You and thought don't belong in the same sentence.

Are you saying that it's not winter?

I'm saying you like to try and sit on the fence so you can have it both ways.
Not the way I play.
You trying say that any success Carson might have is because he is necessarily "Progressive" makes you look stupid.
I am also saying that your entire ideology is based on fraud.

I'd point out that ANY success in HUD will be seen as progressive if it helps people.

That IS the measure of HUD. It's the whole reason it exists.

So far, I really don't believe you know what Carson is going to do. But, his statements make it sound like his view includes the idea that helping poor people is best accomplished by kicking them to the street.

And, that certainly isn't going to be seen as success at HUD.

That's disingenuous at best. If you listened to him speak from his time he was running you would understand his overall philosophy and he narrowed it down slightly in that 3 min video. Take best practices that produce success, get rid of what doesn't work.

Let me give you an example from Communist Canada. Every Christmas when I was a kid I would get this one particular box as a gift from "Santa". For about 3-4 years I received it, it was always the same mustard yellow mittens. My mother would see my reaction and never acted overly excited when I opened it. Why? It turns out they were given to us each year by the province because we were poor. She probably hated them, but it saved her a couple of bucks. Now, I DO appreciate these mittens, at the time though it was a sore thumb. 90% Of students in my school had slick gloves of all shapes and colours, 10% of us had these mustard yellow mittens...absorb that concept of identification for a moment.

I knew some very smart people who were poor. Smarter than some who were in my MBA class many years later. They failed to gain traction in the system. They also had these same mustard mittens. They were guided to vocational schools. Not that there is anything wrong with that of course, but it is customary to send poor students, maybe student who were less talkative due to their experiences in life to schools that would basically congregate those "like them". Sounds like some of the experiences you face with "common core". They didn't know any better, nor did their parents. Some of them were a bit rambunctious, but they were far smarter, but never "expected" to do well. Nor was I, but my mother cared and I loved to learn, still do.

I was lucky, to some degree. My guidance counsellor, who happened to be my soccer coach and who I had a rocky relationship with, but, he gave a damn about me. He told me the school I was going to, a Collegiate. Meant to hone me for university if I so chose, I remember to this day our meeting, I was in grade eight at the time. "______, what high school school do you want to go to?" I considered those my friends were going to since I wanted to be with my fellow poor friends. I told him accordingly, he said "no, you are going to ______ school. You will do well there, right?" I nodded my head, but in reality I was scared. I would lose many of my friends, that security net.

I saw guys who were very bright, go unchallenged at school. Their schoolwork was probably a year or two behind in equivalency, but they were good with their hands, or learned to be. They also had curious minds and different interest, both those interests were quickly altered. The lucky ones became mechanics or did factory ones. The bored ones or those who simply weren't the hands on type, dropped out, did what they did. Some are still living in those poor buildings with kids of their own, on welfare, continuing the cycle. It was too easy to just follow the same path. Turn 18 or 19, get on welfare, do other nefarious garbage and watch the Simpsons or Honey Boo Boo for entertainment. "ah, this is the life" Or so they believed, because they don't know any better.

How many Ben Carsons are in these neighbourhoods? How many stuck in a cycle, with children following their paths? How many even KNOW how to be dependent? Have ambition or a desire to apply their God given strengths? Let me tell you, the toughest thing for me growing up in these areas wasn't school, it was confidence. I would visit friends on my wrestling team or soccer team and they lived in houses. Had nice furniture and parents with nice jobs. I didn't have that as my mother had me at a young age and she became part of the system. I was determined to break this cycle, even though I very nearly followed in the footsteps of ignorance and dependence.

If Carson is successful in transforming this culture of traps and spirit sapping dead ends for so many families, he will have done as great a service to the country as any politician in history.

 

[WillReadmore]

Really!? I thought it was colder due to it being winter.....Imagine that..

You and thought don't belong in the same sentence.

Are you saying that it's not winter?

I'm saying you like to try and sit on the fence so you can have it both ways.
Not the way I play.
You trying say that any success Carson might have is because he is necessarily "Progressive" makes you look stupid.
I am also saying that your entire ideology is based on fraud.

I'd point out that ANY success in HUD will be seen as progressive if it helps people.

That IS the measure of HUD. It's the whole reason it exists.

So far, I really don't believe you know what Carson is going to do. But, his statements make it sound like his view includes the idea that helping poor people is best accomplished by kicking them to the street.

And, that certainly isn't going to be seen as success at HUD.

That's disingenuous at best. If you listened to him speak from his time he was running you would understand his overall philosophy and he narrowed it down slightly in that 3 min video. Take best practices that produce success, get rid of what doesn't work.

Let me give you an example from Communist Canada. Every Christmas when I was a kid I would get this one particular box as a gift from "Santa". For about 3-4 years I received it, it was always the same mustard yellow mittens. My mother would see my reaction and never acted overly excited when I opened it. Why? It turns out they were given to us each year by the province because we were poor. She probably hated them, but it saved her a couple of bucks. Now, I DO appreciate these mittens, at the time though it was a sore thumb. 90% Of students in my school had slick gloves of all shapes and colours, 10% of us had these mustard yellow mittens...absorb that concept of identification for a moment.

I knew some very smart people who were poor. Smarter than some who were in my MBA class many years later. They failed to gain traction in the system. They also had these same mustard mittens. They were guided to vocational schools. Not that there is anything wrong with that of course, but it is customary to send poor students, maybe student who were less talkative due to their experiences in life to schools that would basically congregate those "like them". Sounds like some of the experiences you face with "common core". They didn't know any better, nor did their parents. Some of them were a bit rambunctious, but they were far smarter, but never "expected" to do well. Nor was I, but my mother cared and I loved to learn, still do.

I was lucky, to some degree. My guidance counsellor, who happened to be my soccer coach and who I had a rocky relationship with, but, he gave a damn about me. He told me the school I was going to, a Collegiate. Meant to hone me for university if I so chose, I remember to this day our meeting, I was in grade eight at the time. "______, what high school school do you want to go to?" I considered those my friends were going to since I wanted to be with my fellow poor friends. I told him accordingly, he said "no, you are going to ______ school. You will do well there, right?" I nodded my head, but in reality I was scared. I would lose many of my friends, that security net.

I saw guys who were very bright, go unchallenged at school. Their schoolwork was probably a year or two behind in equivalency, but they were good with their hands, or learned to be. They also had curious minds and different interest, both those interests were quickly altered. The lucky ones became mechanics or did factory ones. The bored ones or those who simply weren't the hands on type, dropped out, did what they did. Some are still living in those poor buildings with kids of their own, on welfare, continuing the cycle. It was too easy to just follow the same path. Turn 18 or 19, get on welfare, do other nefarious garbage and watch the Simpsons or Honey Boo Boo for entertainment. "ah, this is the life" Or so they believed, because they don't know any better.

How many Ben Carsons are in these neighbourhoods? How many stuck in a cycle, with children following their paths? How many even KNOW how to be dependent? Have ambition or a desire to apply their God given strengths? Let me tell you, the toughest thing for me growing up in these areas wasn't school, it was confidence. I would visit friends on my wrestling team or soccer team and they lived in houses. Had nice furniture and parents with nice jobs. I didn't have that as my mother had me at a young age and she became part of the system. I was determined to break this cycle, even though I very nearly followed in the footsteps of ignorance and dependence.

If Carson is successful in transforming this culture of traps and spirit sapping dead ends for so many families, he will have done as great a service to the country as any politician in history.

Saying "take best practices that produce success, get rid of what doesn't work" is meaningless.

It fully depends on what someone thinks is "success".

ANY HUD policy will always be able to be pitched either as a success or a failure at any given time in history.

In fact, I hear Carson spewing this kind of nonsense far too much - ever since he first started considering politics.

BTW: You tell a good story, but I don't see how it applies to Carson.

 

[Rustic]

I'm going to say as a very poor kid who was raised in socialist Canada in Government Housing, when Carson talks about this he is absolutely accurate. Spend the three minutes to hear him talk about this, he is bang on and of all the candidates he always understood this best, Trump saw that in him it seems.

The socialist/quasi-communist strategy to the poor is to give you bread crumbs that sustain you and keep you dependent on the state. While quietly allowing the security apparatus and covert police to operate without accountability and interfere as needed. This ensures you will rarely if ever succeed while they will have an open path to success, even at the cost of the best and brightest not meeting their potential. Communism to me is evil.

This extends broadly across the system. There's a popular saying in Canada, "the police like them young and they like them poor". A system of exploitation from government at all levels, often covert all while promoting the fallacy that they are being "compassionate". Yes, many in social work and such enter their field to help, but they don't realize they hinder. They destroy hope, self sufficiency, ambition, opportunity and ones freedoms to use their God given talents to their maximum.

Ben Carson: We need a holistic approach to HUD
Ben Carson: We need a holistic approach to HUD

Black lives matter would assassinate Ben Carson if they could… Fact

 

[Doc1]

You and thought don't belong in the same sentence.

Are you saying that it's not winter?

I'm saying you like to try and sit on the fence so you can have it both ways.
Not the way I play.
You trying say that any success Carson might have is because he is necessarily "Progressive" makes you look stupid.
I am also saying that your entire ideology is based on fraud.

I'd point out that ANY success in HUD will be seen as progressive if it helps people.

That IS the measure of HUD. It's the whole reason it exists.

So far, I really don't believe you know what Carson is going to do. But, his statements make it sound like his view includes the idea that helping poor people is best accomplished by kicking them to the street.

And, that certainly isn't going to be seen as success at HUD.

That's disingenuous at best. If you listened to him speak from his time he was running you would understand his overall philosophy and he narrowed it down slightly in that 3 min video. Take best practices that produce success, get rid of what doesn't work.

Let me give you an example from Communist Canada. Every Christmas when I was a kid I would get this one particular box as a gift from "Santa". For about 3-4 years I received it, it was always the same mustard yellow mittens. My mother would see my reaction and never acted overly excited when I opened it. Why? It turns out they were given to us each year by the province because we were poor. She probably hated them, but it saved her a couple of bucks. Now, I DO appreciate these mittens, at the time though it was a sore thumb. 90% Of students in my school had slick gloves of all shapes and colours, 10% of us had these mustard yellow mittens...absorb that concept of identification for a moment.

I knew some very smart people who were poor. Smarter than some who were in my MBA class many years later. They failed to gain traction in the system. They also had these same mustard mittens. They were guided to vocational schools. Not that there is anything wrong with that of course, but it is customary to send poor students, maybe student who were less talkative due to their experiences in life to schools that would basically congregate those "like them". Sounds like some of the experiences you face with "common core". They didn't know any better, nor did their parents. Some of them were a bit rambunctious, but they were far smarter, but never "expected" to do well. Nor was I, but my mother cared and I loved to learn, still do.

I was lucky, to some degree. My guidance counsellor, who happened to be my soccer coach and who I had a rocky relationship with, but, he gave a damn about me. He told me the school I was going to, a Collegiate. Meant to hone me for university if I so chose, I remember to this day our meeting, I was in grade eight at the time. "______, what high school school do you want to go to?" I considered those my friends were going to since I wanted to be with my fellow poor friends. I told him accordingly, he said "no, you are going to ______ school. You will do well there, right?" I nodded my head, but in reality I was scared. I would lose many of my friends, that security net.

I saw guys who were very bright, go unchallenged at school. Their schoolwork was probably a year or two behind in equivalency, but they were good with their hands, or learned to be. They also had curious minds and different interest, both those interests were quickly altered. The lucky ones became mechanics or did factory ones. The bored ones or those who simply weren't the hands on type, dropped out, did what they did. Some are still living in those poor buildings with kids of their own, on welfare, continuing the cycle. It was too easy to just follow the same path. Turn 18 or 19, get on welfare, do other nefarious garbage and watch the Simpsons or Honey Boo Boo for entertainment. "ah, this is the life" Or so they believed, because they don't know any better.

How many Ben Carsons are in these neighbourhoods? How many stuck in a cycle, with children following their paths? How many even KNOW how to be dependent? Have ambition or a desire to apply their God given strengths? Let me tell you, the toughest thing for me growing up in these areas wasn't school, it was confidence. I would visit friends on my wrestling team or soccer team and they lived in houses. Had nice furniture and parents with nice jobs. I didn't have that as my mother had me at a young age and she became part of the system. I was determined to break this cycle, even though I very nearly followed in the footsteps of ignorance and dependence.

If Carson is successful in transforming this culture of traps and spirit sapping dead ends for so many families, he will have done as great a service to the country as any politician in history.

Saying "take best practices that produce success, get rid of what doesn't work" is meaningless.

It fully depends on what someone thinks is "success".

ANY HUD policy will always be able to be pitched either as a success or a failure at any given time in history.

In fact, I hear Carson spewing this kind of nonsense far too much - ever since he first started considering politics.

BTW: You tell a good story, but I don't see how it applies to Carson.

Sure because in your World EVERYTHING is subjective

 

[shockedcanadian]

You and thought don't belong in the same sentence.

Are you saying that it's not winter?

I'm saying you like to try and sit on the fence so you can have it both ways.
Not the way I play.
You trying say that any success Carson might have is because he is necessarily "Progressive" makes you look stupid.
I am also saying that your entire ideology is based on fraud.

I'd point out that ANY success in HUD will be seen as progressive if it helps people.

That IS the measure of HUD. It's the whole reason it exists.

So far, I really don't believe you know what Carson is going to do. But, his statements make it sound like his view includes the idea that helping poor people is best accomplished by kicking them to the street.

And, that certainly isn't going to be seen as success at HUD.

That's disingenuous at best. If you listened to him speak from his time he was running you would understand his overall philosophy and he narrowed it down slightly in that 3 min video. Take best practices that produce success, get rid of what doesn't work.

Let me give you an example from Communist Canada. Every Christmas when I was a kid I would get this one particular box as a gift from "Santa". For about 3-4 years I received it, it was always the same mustard yellow mittens. My mother would see my reaction and never acted overly excited when I opened it. Why? It turns out they were given to us each year by the province because we were poor. She probably hated them, but it saved her a couple of bucks. Now, I DO appreciate these mittens, at the time though it was a sore thumb. 90% Of students in my school had slick gloves of all shapes and colours, 10% of us had these mustard yellow mittens...absorb that concept of identification for a moment.

I knew some very smart people who were poor. Smarter than some who were in my MBA class many years later. They failed to gain traction in the system. They also had these same mustard mittens. They were guided to vocational schools. Not that there is anything wrong with that of course, but it is customary to send poor students, maybe student who were less talkative due to their experiences in life to schools that would basically congregate those "like them". Sounds like some of the experiences you face with "common core". They didn't know any better, nor did their parents. Some of them were a bit rambunctious, but they were far smarter, but never "expected" to do well. Nor was I, but my mother cared and I loved to learn, still do.

I was lucky, to some degree. My guidance counsellor, who happened to be my soccer coach and who I had a rocky relationship with, but, he gave a damn about me. He told me the school I was going to, a Collegiate. Meant to hone me for university if I so chose, I remember to this day our meeting, I was in grade eight at the time. "______, what high school school do you want to go to?" I considered those my friends were going to since I wanted to be with my fellow poor friends. I told him accordingly, he said "no, you are going to ______ school. You will do well there, right?" I nodded my head, but in reality I was scared. I would lose many of my friends, that security net.

I saw guys who were very bright, go unchallenged at school. Their schoolwork was probably a year or two behind in equivalency, but they were good with their hands, or learned to be. They also had curious minds and different interest, both those interests were quickly altered. The lucky ones became mechanics or did factory ones. The bored ones or those who simply weren't the hands on type, dropped out, did what they did. Some are still living in those poor buildings with kids of their own, on welfare, continuing the cycle. It was too easy to just follow the same path. Turn 18 or 19, get on welfare, do other nefarious garbage and watch the Simpsons or Honey Boo Boo for entertainment. "ah, this is the life" Or so they believed, because they don't know any better.

How many Ben Carsons are in these neighbourhoods? How many stuck in a cycle, with children following their paths? How many even KNOW how to be dependent? Have ambition or a desire to apply their God given strengths? Let me tell you, the toughest thing for me growing up in these areas wasn't school, it was confidence. I would visit friends on my wrestling team or soccer team and they lived in houses. Had nice furniture and parents with nice jobs. I didn't have that as my mother had me at a young age and she became part of the system. I was determined to break this cycle, even though I very nearly followed in the footsteps of ignorance and dependence.

If Carson is successful in transforming this culture of traps and spirit sapping dead ends for so many families, he will have done as great a service to the country as any politician in history.

Saying "take best practices that produce success, get rid of what doesn't work" is meaningless.

It fully depends on what someone thinks is "success".

ANY HUD policy will always be able to be pitched either as a success or a failure at any given time in history.

In fact, I hear Carson spewing this kind of nonsense far too much - ever since he first started considering politics.

BTW: You tell a good story, but I don't see how it applies to Carson.

It applies to Carson because he is saying the same things I began to think as I advanced through high school. It took me until grade 12 to really "get it", but I got there. He got there exponentially, becoming a world class surgeon. You have a better chance of winning the lottery than seeing this level of scholastic and global achievement from his place of upbringing. His accomplishments really surpass Trumps when think about it. Trump loves winners and those who apply themselves, Carson is the Poster Boy for being a winner if you ask me. There are more billionaires than world class surgeons who came from sheer poverty.

It's clear to me that success is being independent. Determining your own self determination, absent from state interference. Getting out of poverty and government housing. These places should be temporary places to allow you to experience the basic needs, they shouldn't be your resting place. It shouldn't be your destination that you remain and raise a family in. He states that some of these people don't even realize it, it's no fault of their own, they are born there, they don't know any different.

Britain has the same problem Canada has, if you are born poor, you die poor. From the cradle to the grave, it is disheartening, such a waste of life. There are generations of people who were born in government housing complexes or buildings and they die there, with their kids and grandkids. That's disgusting!

America believes in the Constitution, the pursuit of happiness, Natural Laws bestowed by God. You can apply your skills and apply them in the free market. In Canada and Britain, they use covert apparatuses to maintain your "position" in life, while giving you just enough bread crumbs to stay alive. It's a caste system with a make believe and artificial presentation that you operate in capitalism.

The bottom line, socialism and quasi-communism provides the disincentive for those who might succeed to actually succeed. For those who need a temporary hand, ok, when some are stuck in these areas basically rotting to death it's extremely offensive. This isn't compassion, it's pure unadulterated evil.

 

[WillReadmore]

Are you saying that it's not winter?

I'm saying you like to try and sit on the fence so you can have it both ways.
Not the way I play.
You trying say that any success Carson might have is because he is necessarily "Progressive" makes you look stupid.
I am also saying that your entire ideology is based on fraud.

I'd point out that ANY success in HUD will be seen as progressive if it helps people.

That IS the measure of HUD. It's the whole reason it exists.

So far, I really don't believe you know what Carson is going to do. But, his statements make it sound like his view includes the idea that helping poor people is best accomplished by kicking them to the street.

And, that certainly isn't going to be seen as success at HUD.

That's disingenuous at best. If you listened to him speak from his time he was running you would understand his overall philosophy and he narrowed it down slightly in that 3 min video. Take best practices that produce success, get rid of what doesn't work.

Let me give you an example from Communist Canada. Every Christmas when I was a kid I would get this one particular box as a gift from "Santa". For about 3-4 years I received it, it was always the same mustard yellow mittens. My mother would see my reaction and never acted overly excited when I opened it. Why? It turns out they were given to us each year by the province because we were poor. She probably hated them, but it saved her a couple of bucks. Now, I DO appreciate these mittens, at the time though it was a sore thumb. 90% Of students in my school had slick gloves of all shapes and colours, 10% of us had these mustard yellow mittens...absorb that concept of identification for a moment.

I knew some very smart people who were poor. Smarter than some who were in my MBA class many years later. They failed to gain traction in the system. They also had these same mustard mittens. They were guided to vocational schools. Not that there is anything wrong with that of course, but it is customary to send poor students, maybe student who were less talkative due to their experiences in life to schools that would basically congregate those "like them". Sounds like some of the experiences you face with "common core". They didn't know any better, nor did their parents. Some of them were a bit rambunctious, but they were far smarter, but never "expected" to do well. Nor was I, but my mother cared and I loved to learn, still do.

I was lucky, to some degree. My guidance counsellor, who happened to be my soccer coach and who I had a rocky relationship with, but, he gave a damn about me. He told me the school I was going to, a Collegiate. Meant to hone me for university if I so chose, I remember to this day our meeting, I was in grade eight at the time. "______, what high school school do you want to go to?" I considered those my friends were going to since I wanted to be with my fellow poor friends. I told him accordingly, he said "no, you are going to ______ school. You will do well there, right?" I nodded my head, but in reality I was scared. I would lose many of my friends, that security net.

I saw guys who were very bright, go unchallenged at school. Their schoolwork was probably a year or two behind in equivalency, but they were good with their hands, or learned to be. They also had curious minds and different interest, both those interests were quickly altered. The lucky ones became mechanics or did factory ones. The bored ones or those who simply weren't the hands on type, dropped out, did what they did. Some are still living in those poor buildings with kids of their own, on welfare, continuing the cycle. It was too easy to just follow the same path. Turn 18 or 19, get on welfare, do other nefarious garbage and watch the Simpsons or Honey Boo Boo for entertainment. "ah, this is the life" Or so they believed, because they don't know any better.

How many Ben Carsons are in these neighbourhoods? How many stuck in a cycle, with children following their paths? How many even KNOW how to be dependent? Have ambition or a desire to apply their God given strengths? Let me tell you, the toughest thing for me growing up in these areas wasn't school, it was confidence. I would visit friends on my wrestling team or soccer team and they lived in houses. Had nice furniture and parents with nice jobs. I didn't have that as my mother had me at a young age and she became part of the system. I was determined to break this cycle, even though I very nearly followed in the footsteps of ignorance and dependence.

If Carson is successful in transforming this culture of traps and spirit sapping dead ends for so many families, he will have done as great a service to the country as any politician in history.

Saying "take best practices that produce success, get rid of what doesn't work" is meaningless.

It fully depends on what someone thinks is "success".

ANY HUD policy will always be able to be pitched either as a success or a failure at any given time in history.

In fact, I hear Carson spewing this kind of nonsense far too much - ever since he first started considering politics.

BTW: You tell a good story, but I don't see how it applies to Carson.

Sure because in your World EVERYTHING is subjective

No, it's just a fact that ALL measurement of HUD is subjective.

Or, are you going to cite some shared objective measures of HUD?

 

[Moonglow]

They have the free will to determine their lives...

 

[Doc1]

I'm saying you like to try and sit on the fence so you can have it both ways.
Not the way I play.
You trying say that any success Carson might have is because he is necessarily "Progressive" makes you look stupid.
I am also saying that your entire ideology is based on fraud.

I'd point out that ANY success in HUD will be seen as progressive if it helps people.

That IS the measure of HUD. It's the whole reason it exists.

So far, I really don't believe you know what Carson is going to do. But, his statements make it sound like his view includes the idea that helping poor people is best accomplished by kicking them to the street.

And, that certainly isn't going to be seen as success at HUD.

That's disingenuous at best. If you listened to him speak from his time he was running you would understand his overall philosophy and he narrowed it down slightly in that 3 min video. Take best practices that produce success, get rid of what doesn't work.

Let me give you an example from Communist Canada. Every Christmas when I was a kid I would get this one particular box as a gift from "Santa". For about 3-4 years I received it, it was always the same mustard yellow mittens. My mother would see my reaction and never acted overly excited when I opened it. Why? It turns out they were given to us each year by the province because we were poor. She probably hated them, but it saved her a couple of bucks. Now, I DO appreciate these mittens, at the time though it was a sore thumb. 90% Of students in my school had slick gloves of all shapes and colours, 10% of us had these mustard yellow mittens...absorb that concept of identification for a moment.

I knew some very smart people who were poor. Smarter than some who were in my MBA class many years later. They failed to gain traction in the system. They also had these same mustard mittens. They were guided to vocational schools. Not that there is anything wrong with that of course, but it is customary to send poor students, maybe student who were less talkative due to their experiences in life to schools that would basically congregate those "like them". Sounds like some of the experiences you face with "common core". They didn't know any better, nor did their parents. Some of them were a bit rambunctious, but they were far smarter, but never "expected" to do well. Nor was I, but my mother cared and I loved to learn, still do.

I was lucky, to some degree. My guidance counsellor, who happened to be my soccer coach and who I had a rocky relationship with, but, he gave a damn about me. He told me the school I was going to, a Collegiate. Meant to hone me for university if I so chose, I remember to this day our meeting, I was in grade eight at the time. "______, what high school school do you want to go to?" I considered those my friends were going to since I wanted to be with my fellow poor friends. I told him accordingly, he said "no, you are going to ______ school. You will do well there, right?" I nodded my head, but in reality I was scared. I would lose many of my friends, that security net.

I saw guys who were very bright, go unchallenged at school. Their schoolwork was probably a year or two behind in equivalency, but they were good with their hands, or learned to be. They also had curious minds and different interest, both those interests were quickly altered. The lucky ones became mechanics or did factory ones. The bored ones or those who simply weren't the hands on type, dropped out, did what they did. Some are still living in those poor buildings with kids of their own, on welfare, continuing the cycle. It was too easy to just follow the same path. Turn 18 or 19, get on welfare, do other nefarious garbage and watch the Simpsons or Honey Boo Boo for entertainment. "ah, this is the life" Or so they believed, because they don't know any better.

How many Ben Carsons are in these neighbourhoods? How many stuck in a cycle, with children following their paths? How many even KNOW how to be dependent? Have ambition or a desire to apply their God given strengths? Let me tell you, the toughest thing for me growing up in these areas wasn't school, it was confidence. I would visit friends on my wrestling team or soccer team and they lived in houses. Had nice furniture and parents with nice jobs. I didn't have that as my mother had me at a young age and she became part of the system. I was determined to break this cycle, even though I very nearly followed in the footsteps of ignorance and dependence.

If Carson is successful in transforming this culture of traps and spirit sapping dead ends for so many families, he will have done as great a service to the country as any politician in history.

Saying "take best practices that produce success, get rid of what doesn't work" is meaningless.

It fully depends on what someone thinks is "success".

ANY HUD policy will always be able to be pitched either as a success or a failure at any given time in history.

In fact, I hear Carson spewing this kind of nonsense far too much - ever since he first started considering politics.

BTW: You tell a good story, but I don't see how it applies to Carson.

Sure because in your World EVERYTHING is subjective

No, it's just a fact that ALL measurement of HUD is subjective.

Or, are you going to cite some shared objective measures of HUD?

My point is that you don't know shit but like to pretend you do.
Were it up to me all of those stupid Depts would go because they are unconstitutional.
Congress makes the Laws, not those stupid Depts.

 

[WillReadmore]

I'd point out that ANY success in HUD will be seen as progressive if it helps people.

That IS the measure of HUD. It's the whole reason it exists.

So far, I really don't believe you know what Carson is going to do. But, his statements make it sound like his view includes the idea that helping poor people is best accomplished by kicking them to the street.

And, that certainly isn't going to be seen as success at HUD.

That's disingenuous at best. If you listened to him speak from his time he was running you would understand his overall philosophy and he narrowed it down slightly in that 3 min video. Take best practices that produce success, get rid of what doesn't work.

Let me give you an example from Communist Canada. Every Christmas when I was a kid I would get this one particular box as a gift from "Santa". For about 3-4 years I received it, it was always the same mustard yellow mittens. My mother would see my reaction and never acted overly excited when I opened it. Why? It turns out they were given to us each year by the province because we were poor. She probably hated them, but it saved her a couple of bucks. Now, I DO appreciate these mittens, at the time though it was a sore thumb. 90% Of students in my school had slick gloves of all shapes and colours, 10% of us had these mustard yellow mittens...absorb that concept of identification for a moment.

I knew some very smart people who were poor. Smarter than some who were in my MBA class many years later. They failed to gain traction in the system. They also had these same mustard mittens. They were guided to vocational schools. Not that there is anything wrong with that of course, but it is customary to send poor students, maybe student who were less talkative due to their experiences in life to schools that would basically congregate those "like them". Sounds like some of the experiences you face with "common core". They didn't know any better, nor did their parents. Some of them were a bit rambunctious, but they were far smarter, but never "expected" to do well. Nor was I, but my mother cared and I loved to learn, still do.

I was lucky, to some degree. My guidance counsellor, who happened to be my soccer coach and who I had a rocky relationship with, but, he gave a damn about me. He told me the school I was going to, a Collegiate. Meant to hone me for university if I so chose, I remember to this day our meeting, I was in grade eight at the time. "______, what high school school do you want to go to?" I considered those my friends were going to since I wanted to be with my fellow poor friends. I told him accordingly, he said "no, you are going to ______ school. You will do well there, right?" I nodded my head, but in reality I was scared. I would lose many of my friends, that security net.

I saw guys who were very bright, go unchallenged at school. Their schoolwork was probably a year or two behind in equivalency, but they were good with their hands, or learned to be. They also had curious minds and different interest, both those interests were quickly altered. The lucky ones became mechanics or did factory ones. The bored ones or those who simply weren't the hands on type, dropped out, did what they did. Some are still living in those poor buildings with kids of their own, on welfare, continuing the cycle. It was too easy to just follow the same path. Turn 18 or 19, get on welfare, do other nefarious garbage and watch the Simpsons or Honey Boo Boo for entertainment. "ah, this is the life" Or so they believed, because they don't know any better.

How many Ben Carsons are in these neighbourhoods? How many stuck in a cycle, with children following their paths? How many even KNOW how to be dependent? Have ambition or a desire to apply their God given strengths? Let me tell you, the toughest thing for me growing up in these areas wasn't school, it was confidence. I would visit friends on my wrestling team or soccer team and they lived in houses. Had nice furniture and parents with nice jobs. I didn't have that as my mother had me at a young age and she became part of the system. I was determined to break this cycle, even though I very nearly followed in the footsteps of ignorance and dependence.

If Carson is successful in transforming this culture of traps and spirit sapping dead ends for so many families, he will have done as great a service to the country as any politician in history.

Saying "take best practices that produce success, get rid of what doesn't work" is meaningless.

It fully depends on what someone thinks is "success".

ANY HUD policy will always be able to be pitched either as a success or a failure at any given time in history.

In fact, I hear Carson spewing this kind of nonsense far too much - ever since he first started considering politics.

BTW: You tell a good story, but I don't see how it applies to Carson.

Sure because in your World EVERYTHING is subjective

No, it's just a fact that ALL measurement of HUD is subjective.

Or, are you going to cite some shared objective measures of HUD?

My point is that you don't know shit but like to pretend you do.
Were it up to me all of those stupid Depts would go because they are unconstitutional.
Congress makes the Laws, not those stupid Depts.

Ah, so you don't know jack about how our government works.

That would explain your inability to even discuss this topic.

So, ad hom is your best and only defense!

 

[EverCurious]

Related Info:

Carson's life story, from growing up a poor kid in inner-city Detroit to becoming a groundbreaking neurosurgeon, was documented in his autobiography Gifted Hands. He has gone on to write other books since then, including a New York Times best-seller, One Nation, in 2014. It was Gifted Hands that made Carson a hero, particularly among African-Americans, and it was a staple for many parents and schools to assign the book as mandatory reading. The book eventually was turned into a movie and Carson was played by Academy-Award winner Cuba Gooding Jr. in 2009. A year before that movie premiered, President George W. Bush honored Carson with the Presidential Medal of Freedom. It's the highest award given to a civilian. Carson was reportedly notified he was a recipient of the award while performing a seven-hour surgery.

(Haven't had time to research further, nor read his books yet.) He also apparently wrote an opinion piece on HUD somewhere (a college I think,) but I've not tried to find it yet.

 

[mudwhistle]

Thank you for proving my point. The entire premise of "Progressivism" is that if ANYTHNG helps anyone they are responsible for it.
They NEVER do ANYTHING different, they always do the same thing over and over and over.

The ONLY idea ANY "Progressive" EVER espouses is " Make the rich pay".
Sorry that is silly and stupid and vapid.

pro·gres·siv·ism
prəˈɡresəˌvizəm/
noun

1. support for or advocacy of social reform.
   "the country is seen as a bastion of social progressivism"

By taking us back to the 1920s??
Isn't that what led to the Great Depression?

Social reform,,,I thought was over production and a lack of sales...

The meaning of Social Reform has changed for these progressives.

It involves Blacklivesmatters, Social Justice, income controls, and killing the American Dream.

Yet they are not in control of any office in the federal govt..Nothing is holding back a person from living the American dream, that is a cop out..

No.....the left is holding back everyone but those who are in their little click.