Before 1948

[Roudy]

Why did the Arab Palestinians target the Jewish Palestinians centuries before political Zionism?

Because they understood that the Jews, who were not Palestinians (they were from Spain and Portugal), had the intention of removing them in time.

You mean do what Muslims did? Ha ha ha.

 

[Roudy]

What does that have to do with OP?

What does that picture represent to you?

How is that not

Our children don't write murderous messages on bombs like those of your people. Nor do we intentionally bomb apartment buildings filled with women and children. You are a dual citizen that would support Israel over the U.S. in a heartbeat. I am instead a U.S. Army combat veteran, infantry at that. There's the difference.

Maybe not, but they compensate in other ways....don't you think?

Hmmmm...

What does that picture represent to you?

How does it have anything at all, whatsoever, to do with the OP?

How is that not trolling/no content?

Ask your sock / friend Monte, who uses each and every thread to repeat his bullshit about there being "no Jews before", DNA and mutilated UN documents?

 

[Roudy]

Quit deflecting, the comparison was with the photo of the Israeli school girls writing murderous notes on bombs. The Israelis bomb apartment buildings filled with women and children, killing hundreds at a pop, what's worse, killing hundreds and thousands of children, or suicide bombers killing dozens, if that, of Israelis... I'll wait for your answer.

Oh the fake outrage! It's okay for Palestinians to brainwash little kids to become child klling suicide bombers, but not okay for Israelis to write messages for their would be murderous animals about to be sent to their 72 virgin donkeys in Islamic heaven.

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2008/12/19/palestinians-training-kids-to-be-suicide-bombers

Turning a blind eye to child suicide bombers

 

[Roudy]

Our children don't write murderous messages on bombs like those of your people. Nor do we intentionally bomb apartment buildings filled with women and children. You are a dual citizen that would support Israel over the U.S. in a heartbeat. I am instead a U.S. Army combat veteran, infantry at that. There's the difference.

What "murderous messages" ? You're getting a bit frothy there, Laddie.

I'd say it looks like he's losing it, but then again, the pathetic bigot never had any sanity to lose it.

 

[rylah]

Why did the Arab Palestinians target the Jewish Palestinians centuries before political Zionism?

Because they understood that the Jews, who were not Palestinians (they were from Spain and Portugal), had the intention of removing them in time.

This is not true, there were Jews who were present since the 2nd Temple, and Jews who spoke Arabic same language the Muslim occupiers spoke.

By the same standard, Yasser Arafat's family wasn't Palestinian, they're Hasemite. They came during the same time when other Jews were coming back (1600')...but then he wasn't targeted for some reason, he was considered a royal.
The same can be said about Mahmoud Abbas...

I just don't understand how one can prefer occupier culture over his own closest brother...except for Stockholm Syndrome maybe.

 

[Roudy]

Why did the Arab Palestinians target the Jewish Palestinians centuries before political Zionism?

Because they understood that the Jews, who were not Palestinians (they were from Spain and Portugal), had the intention of removing them in time.

This is not true, there were Jews who were present since the 2nd Temple, and Jews who spoke Arabic same language the Muslim occupiers spoke.

By the same standard, Yasser Arafat's family wasn't Palestinian, they're Hasemite. They came during the same time when other Jews were coming back (1600')...but then he wasn't targeted for some reason, he was considered a royal.
The same can be said about Mahmoud Abbas...

I just don't understand how one can prefer occupier culture over his own closest brother...except for Stockholm Syndrome maybe.

Arafat the "founder" of the Palestinian bowel movement was born, raised, and educated in Egypt!

 

[rylah]

Quit deflecting, the comparison was with the photo of the Israeli school girls writing murderous notes on bombs. The Israelis bomb apartment buildings filled with women and children, killing hundreds at a pop, what's worse, killing hundreds and thousands of children, or suicide bombers killing dozens, if that, of Israelis... I'll wait for your answer.

In anyway You look at it - it's worse to send a kid with a suicide vest, no matter how much he kills, than to shoot rockets on the enemy to keep Your kids HOME SAFE.

There's no comparison!
But I guess You have no kids of Your own if You say such things...


IT'S ALWAYS BETTER FOR THE ENEMIES TO DIE, RATHER THAN SENDING YOUR OWN CHILDREN TO DIE FOR REVENGE.

Why do I even have to explain that ??

 

[montelatici]

Arafat was not Hashemite at all. Why do you make things up. The Hashemites ruled Mecca until 1924, until the Sauds took over. Arafat was mixed blood, one quarter Egyptian three quarter native Palestinian (Levantiine) with little Arabian ancestry.

The Palestinians are the native people of Palestine, they did not "come back". They were there all the time as Christians, then Muslims.

 

[Roudy]

Even their founder is a fake. Another terrorist that graduated from the Muslim Brotherhood:

Arafat was born in Cairo, Egypt, where he spent most of his youth and studied at the University of King Fuad I. While a student, he embraced Arab nationalist and anti-Zionist ideas. Opposed to the 1948 creation of the State of Israel, he fought alongside the Muslim Brotherhood during the 1948 Arab–Israeli War.

 

[rylah]

Arafat was not Hashemite at all. Why do you make things up. The Hashemites ruled Mecca until 1924, until the Sauds took over. Arafat was mixed blood, one quarter Egyptian three quarter native Palestinian (Levantiine) with little Arabian ancestry.

The Palestinians are the native people of Palestine, they did not "come back". They were there all the time as Christians, then Muslims.

House of Al-Qudwa family members were prominent figures since the seventeenth century. The family traces its origins to two brothers, Sayed Mohammad bin Yusef al-Qudwa and Sayed Arafat bin Yusef al-Qudwa (the first), who settled in Gaza in 1658 AD. They had moved from Aleppo (Arabic: حلب‎‎), Syria where the family was also known as "al-Nabhani" and where branches still exist in that city till today, and known as "al-Nabhani al-Qudwa al-Hussieni" since 1200 AD. The family very quickly established itself as notables in Gaza through extensive endowments made by Sayed Mohammad bin Arafat al-Qudwa around 1688 AD, and then later by his descendants. The Qudwas were always known as notables by belonging to the Ashraf class, the highest hereditary title of nobility to the highest social/political class in the Muslim World; also known in pre-modern society as the Hashemites- belonging to the Quraish tribe, Hashim branch/Al-Hussieni line (Al-Hussien is the second son of Sayedah Fatimah daughter of prophet Muhammad and Imam Ali the Fourth Caliph in Islam; both are Hashimites). A Hashemite is the Latinate version of the (Arabic: هاشمي, transliteration: Hāšimī) and traditionally refers to those belonging to the Banu Hashim, or "clan of Hashim", a clan within the larger Quraish tribe. It also refers to an Arab dynasty whose original strength stemmed from being the direct descendants of prophet Ishmael the son of prophet Ibrahim in the Hejaz region of Arabia, along the Red Sea. The Hashemites trace their ancestry from Sayed Hashim ibn Abd Manaf (died and buried in Gaza around 510 AD), the great-grandfather of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, although the definition today mainly refers to the descendants of the prophet's daughter, Sayedah Fatimah, the more accurate definition is the descendants of Sayed Hashim ibn Abd Manaf.

 

[montelatici]

Quit deflecting, the comparison was with the photo of the Israeli school girls writing murderous notes on bombs. The Israelis bomb apartment buildings filled with women and children, killing hundreds at a pop, what's worse, killing hundreds and thousands of children, or suicide bombers killing dozens, if that, of Israelis... I'll wait for your answer.

In anyway You look at it - it's worse to send a kid with a suicide vest, no matter how much he kills, than to shoot rockets on the enemy to keep Your kids HOME SAFE.

There's no comparison!
But I guess You have no kids of Your own if You say such things...


IT'S ALWAYS BETTER FOR THE ENEMIES TO DIE, RATHER THAN SENDING YOUR OWN CHILDREN TO DIE FOR REVENGE.

Why do I even have to explain that ??

You seem to forget the actions of desperate Jews of the ZOB, formed by members of Jewish youth organizations that fought the Germans in Poland. Of course I have children. But they aren't desperate.

 

[montelatici]

Arafat was not Hashemite at all. Why do you make things up. The Hashemites ruled Mecca until 1924, until the Sauds took over. Arafat was mixed blood, one quarter Egyptian three quarter native Palestinian (Levantiine) with little Arabian ancestry.

The Palestinians are the native people of Palestine, they did not "come back". They were there all the time as Christians, then Muslims.

House of Al-Qudwa family members were prominent figures since the seventeenth century. The family traces its origins to two brothers, Sayed Mohammad bin Yusef al-Qudwa and Sayed Arafat bin Yusef al-Qudwa (the first), who settled in Gaza in 1658 AD. They had moved from Aleppo (Arabic: حلب‎‎), Syria where the family was also known as "al-Nabhani" and where branches still exist in that city till today, and known as "al-Nabhani al-Qudwa al-Hussieni" since 1200 AD. The family very quickly established itself as notables in Gaza through extensive endowments made by Sayed Mohammad bin Arafat al-Qudwa around 1688 AD, and then later by his descendants. The Qudwas were always known as notables by belonging to the Ashraf class, the highest hereditary title of nobility to the highest social/political class in the Muslim World; also known in pre-modern society as the Hashemites- belonging to the Quraish tribe, Hashim branch/Al-Hussieni line (Al-Hussien is the second son of Sayedah Fatimah daughter of prophet Muhammad and Imam Ali the Fourth Caliph in Islam; both are Hashimites). A Hashemite is the Latinate version of the (Arabic: هاشمي, transliteration: Hāšimī) and traditionally refers to those belonging to the Banu Hashim, or "clan of Hashim", a clan within the larger Quraish tribe. It also refers to an Arab dynasty whose original strength stemmed from being the direct descendants of prophet Ishmael the son of prophet Ibrahim in the Hejaz region of Arabia, along the Red Sea. The Hashemites trace their ancestry from Sayed Hashim ibn Abd Manaf (died and buried in Gaza around 510 AD), the great-grandfather of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, although the definition today mainly refers to the descendants of the prophet's daughter, Sayedah Fatimah, the more accurate definition is the descendants of Sayed Hashim ibn Abd Manaf.

There are many non-Arabians that claim they are Arabians.

 

[Roudy]

Arafat was not Hashemite at all. Why do you make things up. The Hashemites ruled Mecca until 1924, until the Sauds took over. Arafat was mixed blood, one quarter Egyptian three quarter native Palestinian (Levantiine) with little Arabian ancestry.

The Palestinians are the native people of Palestine, they did not "come back". They were there all the time as Christians, then Muslims.

House of Al-Qudwa family members were prominent figures since the seventeenth century. The family traces its origins to two brothers, Sayed Mohammad bin Yusef al-Qudwa and Sayed Arafat bin Yusef al-Qudwa (the first), who settled in Gaza in 1658 AD. They had moved from Aleppo (Arabic: حلب‎‎), Syria where the family was also known as "al-Nabhani" and where branches still exist in that city till today, and known as "al-Nabhani al-Qudwa al-Hussieni" since 1200 AD. The family very quickly established itself as notables in Gaza through extensive endowments made by Sayed Mohammad bin Arafat al-Qudwa around 1688 AD, and then later by his descendants. The Qudwas were always known as notables by belonging to the Ashraf class, the highest hereditary title of nobility to the highest social/political class in the Muslim World; also known in pre-modern society as the Hashemites- belonging to the Quraish tribe, Hashim branch/Al-Hussieni line (Al-Hussien is the second son of Sayedah Fatimah daughter of prophet Muhammad and Imam Ali the Fourth Caliph in Islam; both are Hashimites). A Hashemite is the Latinate version of the (Arabic: هاشمي, transliteration: Hāšimī) and traditionally refers to those belonging to the Banu Hashim, or "clan of Hashim", a clan within the larger Quraish tribe. It also refers to an Arab dynasty whose original strength stemmed from being the direct descendants of prophet Ishmael the son of prophet Ibrahim in the Hejaz region of Arabia, along the Red Sea. The Hashemites trace their ancestry from Sayed Hashim ibn Abd Manaf (died and buried in Gaza around 510 AD), the great-grandfather of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, although the definition today mainly refers to the descendants of the prophet's daughter, Sayedah Fatimah, the more accurate definition is the descendants of Sayed Hashim ibn Abd Manaf.

 

[rylah]

Arafat was not Hashemite at all. Why do you make things up. The Hashemites ruled Mecca until 1924, until the Sauds took over. Arafat was mixed blood, one quarter Egyptian three quarter native Palestinian (Levantiine) with little Arabian ancestry.

The Palestinians are the native people of Palestine, they did not "come back". They were there all the time as Christians, then Muslims.

The Banu Abbas (Arabic: بنو عباس‎‎) are an Arabian tribe, descendants of Al-‘Abbas ibn ‘Abd al-Muttalib. The caliphs of the Banu Abbas served as heads of the Muslim community for a period of five centuries (from 750 until the sack of Baghdad in 1258).[2] This was the Abbasid caliphate.

 

[montelatici]

It is amazing how a tiny desert population, the Arabian desert could support very few people, have so many descendants. You people just don't do logic, do you. The "Arabian hordes" were almost all local converts, don't you get it.

 

[rylah]

It is amazing how a tiny desert population, the Arabian desert could support very few people, have so many descendants. You people just don't do logic, do you. The "Arabian hordes" were almost all local converts, don't you get it.

Yet the Palestinian Arabs still choose Arabian royalty to represent them - Arafat, Abbas, Zoabi, Husseini...
Why?

 

[Roudy]

"Local converts" Ya gotta love it...how he characterizes the fact that prophet Mohammad and his Saudi Arab followers invaded, looted, raped, and thieves each of those lands, and then forced their language, culture, and religion unto the local inhabitants at the point of the sword.

And for centuries thereafter and as we can see today, they have stopped for 1400 years.

 

[Challenger]

Getting back to the OP, what evidence can someone provide of life loving, peace loving Palestinians prior to 1948? And what evidence against it?

1941-1945 - Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin al-Husayni Collaborates with the Axis Powers

Image of Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Hajj Amin al-Husayni.
Source: Library of Congress, "His Eminence the Grand Mufti," loc.gov (accessed Oct. 28, 2015)

"Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin al-Husayni (Arab nationalist and prominent Muslim religious leader)—escaped to Berlin, where they broadcast appeals to their home countries in order to foment unrest, sabotage, and insurrection against the Allies. In exile in Europe from 1941 to 1945, al-Husayni's status was that of a prominent individual anti-Jewish Arab and Muslim leader...

[Haj Amin] al-Husayni sought public recognition from the Axis powers of his status as leader of a proposed Arab nation. He also sought public approval from the Axis powers for an independent Arab state or federation to 'remove' or 'eliminate' the proposed Jewish homeland in Palestine...

When he [Hitler] received al-Husayni on November 28, 1941, a meeting covered in the German press, Hitler was sympathetic, but declined to give al-Husayni the public declaration of support that he sought. Despite Hitler's response, al-Husayni still collaborated with Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy in several ways. He broadcast anti-Allied and anti-Jewish propaganda by radio to the Arab world and to Muslim communities under German control or influence. He sought to inspire and to indoctrinate Muslim men to serve in Axis military and auxiliary units. Even after he realized that the Germans would not give him what he sought and intended to use his Muslim recruits without regard to his advice, al-Husayni continued to work with both Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany until 1945."

US Holocaust Memorial Museum "Hajj Amin al-Husayni: Wartime Propagandist," ushmm.org

...and from 1921 to to 1936 he collaborated with the British, so what? There's an old saying out there, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"

Oh, interestingly there's scant evidence he actually made any broadcasts himself, but that's just one of those facts, Zionists find "inconvenient" when trying to make him out as the "ultimate evil-doer" against their colonial project.

Noooo, he only organized a Muslim Nazi army (called it "the cream of Islam") that went around killing Christians and Jews in Eastern Europe. He also incited the Muslims to commit a second Holocaust on Jews in their own holy land, and failed miserably. What a funny internet jihadi you are.

The Germans created and organised local Muslim units in Yugoslavia to fight Tito's Communist partizans, the Mufti was rolled out from time to time for recruitment propaganda. There is no credible evidence that the Handschar SS Mountain Division participated in the Holocaust, I've debunked this so many times, it's getting boring, nor is there any credible evidence of the Mufti inciting Palestinian muslims to commit genocide in Palestine.

Stop blaberring so much.

-He was a declared Nazi and officially classified as such by the US state dept. Nazis gave him a lavish residence in Germany to coordinate his activities abroad.
-He wrote letters to Black Muslim leaders in the US to terrorize Americans, rise up against Roosevelt, arm themselves, and seceed from US by grabbing a state or territory. He created a Muslim Nazi army that went around killing Jews and Christians.
-He instigated Muslims in Israel to commit genocide against Jews in their own holy land. He successfully influenced other Arab nations to commit genocide and ethnic cleansing on Jews that had been living in the Middle East for centuries.
-He directly caused over 400,000 Jews to be sent to death camps, including the death of thousands of children.
-He inspired and became one of the fathers of the Islamic movement known as "Muslim Brotherhood" which today has become the Harvard for Islamic terrorists and radical Islamic ideology.

It doesn't get any worse that this. He was the embodiment of evil.

This is why the Palestinians are the bastard children of the marriage between Nazism and Arab Islamic nationlism.

Sounds like stuff from one of your wet-dram fantasy sites, care to provide a link or a source for this?

 

[Challenger]

Oh I do wish people wouldn't fixate so much on "Administrative geography" as opposed to actual physical geography or tradition. Example, the old "County of Avon" (now called Somerset again) in the UK was called administratively at one point or other "North West Somerset", "Bath and North East Somerset (!?)" and "South Gloucestershire". Ask a native and he/she wil tell you they live in Somerset, or Gloucestershire, the ancient names for these areas, regardless of what the bureaucrats decided to call the place for administrative purposes.

The Turks did not call it Palestine or Falastine for 700 years. Neither did the Arabs. "Palestine" was the name the Europeans gave to the region, which became obsolete after the Arab / Muslim invasions about 1200 years ago. When the British conquered the region after the fall of the Ottoman Empire after WWI in the early 1900's, they renamed it "Palestine mandate", a British territory. There was no such thing as a Palestine before that.

I think the preceeding posting has adequately shown you are talking out of your posterior orifice as usual.

 

[Challenger]

But not one shred of evidence that any Jewish temple existed there as the Muslim temple still stands where it has been for centuries.
Mere rumor is all it takes for Jews to launch a killing spree. That's followed by "the Mooooslims made us do it".

Well let's hear it from the horse's mouth, by listening to offspring of the IslamoNazi Palestinians animals as to how they enjoyed the killing and theiving.

LOL, this drivel from a well known Hasbara site was posted in 2011 when the woman was 92, that would mean she was 10 years old in 1929; she probably never witnessed anything as young girls would have been kept indoors during a riot, but it's possible she may have heard exaggerated stories in the decades that followed, nevertheless hardly a reliable "witness" or source. FYI, I spoke to a veteran of el-Alemein a few years ago, he was in his nineties too and he was convinced that Germans used 150mm anti tank guns against him; I suggested 50mm (the standard german AT gun at the time), but he said definitely 150mm...memories are unreliable unless corroborated from other sources.

The Germans did use 150mm artillery in the direct fire mode against armor in times of emergency so he could very well be correct. Memory is indeed fallible, however certain things will remain solidly reliable up until the person dies. Traumatic events such as those being discussed are the very type of events that remain crystal clear in the memory banks.

I'm well aware of that, but without straying too far off topic, the chap I was speaking to was a tank gunner in the Sherwood Rangers Regiment, which I was researching at the time. After noting his account, I checked the Regimental diary to put his account in context. The regiment never got as far as the enemy artillery areas so never encountered emergency direct fire from german artillery; it never happened as he described. However the regiment, part of 10th Armoured Division, was attacked on the 24th October while holding Miteiriya Ridge, during which it suffered from an intense artillery barrage, which undoubtedly included 150mm shells alongside the more commonplace 105mm and assorted mortar rounds. After 60-70 years, his memories of the traumatic experience he may have had, closed up in a Crusader turret, may well have been skewed and conflated, with this or subsequent combats. Memories become unreliable the further away from the incident the person is in time, even for eye witnesses.

Returning to the 10 year old girl, who was probably never an eye witness to the events of 1929, nor would she have been traumatised at the time, but subsequent brutality or trauma she may have encountered from subsequent events, like the Zionist terrorism in the1940's or the 1948 Palestinian expulsions could easily create fantasies in her head conflated with stories she may have heard at other times. That's why any such account must be corroborated before it's given undue credence.

It also amuses me that anything filmed by Palestinians that may be detrimental to their image is considered "gospel truth" by the Hasbarists here, yet anything filmed by Palestinians detrimental to the Zionist regime is always glibly dismissed as "Pallywood".

During the battles of Alamein, there were multiple times that British armor made it to German artillery batteries. I don't know which regimental record you are reading but I have the German and British histories for most of the units involved and they ALL describe the chaotic nature of the battle. As regards the ten year old girl, I find your reasoning lacking, the fact is the terrorists like to show their kids what they are doing as it makes the perps feel good, and it serves as a warning to the youngsters to tow the line.

Pallywood productions are just that, productions. You can watch them rehearsing and frequently we get to see the documentary of the production as well! More to the point, when the Israel supporters here make the claim that a video is a pallywood production, they can back it up with photographic proof. Something that your side can't for the most part.

Had you bothered to read my post you would have found the name of the regiment in question and the Division to which it belonged.

Thank you for making my point for me, "they ALL describe the chaotic nature of the battle"; correct.

That's exactly why individual memories are suspect without corroboration from other sources and should never be taken at face value, especially as in this case, a one minute sound bite by a 90 year old during a protest or demonstration.

Same applies to "photographic proof"; video and photographs can be edited and or manipulated to create "Pallywood" and "Hasbara".