Batteries.

[Crepitus]

We have batteries.

Why do these people keep ignoring that?

Do they not know what batteries are for? Do they not understand they come in various forms?

What's the issue here?

 

[luiza]

What's the issue here?

The issue is that you run solely on wind and that you and your ilk are being run of town as surplus to sensible requirement .

So , blow away wind bag Decrappy .

 

[pknopp]

The issue is that you run solely on wind and that you and your ilk are being run of town as surplus to sensible requirement .

So , blow away wind bag Decrappy .

Argue that even with storage capabilities it still wouldn't meet demand. Don't argue easily countered arguments as was done.

 

[Crepitus]

Argue that even with storage capabilities it still wouldn't meet demand. Don't argue easily countered arguments as was done.

That one is basically just a wind bag itself.

 

[Woodznutz]

We have batteries.

Why do these people keep ignoring that?

Do they not know what batteries are for? Do they not understand they come in various forms?

What's the issue here?

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Everything has changed with the energy needs of the super computers needed to support AI. There isn't enough land surface for wind and solar to support the needs of what's coming. The only answer is nuclear.

 

[luiza]

That one is basically just a wind bag itself.

Good to see you awakening and realising the contempt you are held in .

You and Horsey Horse -- never manage to get anything right .

 

[martybegan]

We have batteries.

Why do these people keep ignoring that?

Do they not know what batteries are for? Do they not understand they come in various forms?

What's the issue here?

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Batteries have the same issue as photovolactic and wind, no grid inertia.

hydro is the only renewable that comes close to providing it.

Grid inertia: why it matters in a renewable world

A power network without inertia is one that is unstable, suffers from issues of power quality and is susceptible to blackouts. The primary mechanism for providing inertia is via the presence of heavy rotating equipment such as steam turbines and gas turbines driving generators and rotating generators. Efforts to decommission such equipment and replace them with renewable resources, while well intended, could inadvertently hamper the creation of the robust and reliable renewable grid of the future. Additionally, failure to invest in aging turbomachinery in an effort to achieve environmental targets could backfire.

 

[Crepitus]

Good to see you awakening and realising the contempt you are held in .

You and Horsey Horse -- never manage to get anything right .

You know, if I had any respect for you at all my feeling might be hurt.

Fortunately I'm just fine.

 

[davebb]

The issue is that you run solely on wind and that you and your ilk are being run of town as surplus to sensible requirement .

So , blow away wind bag Decrappy .

 

[Woodznutz]

That Epstein List Vanished Faster Than The Hole In tRump's Ear.

Maybe he had the "Pacman" surgery on it.

 

[Hafar1014]

We have batteries.

Why do these people keep ignoring that?

Do they not know what batteries are for? Do they not understand they come in various forms?

What's the issue here?

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Wind mills dont work

 

[Crepitus]

Wind mills dont work

You probably believe they cause cancer too, lol

 

[marvin martian]

We have batteries.

Why do these people keep ignoring that?

Do they not know what batteries are for? Do they not understand they come in various forms?

What's the issue here?

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You don't really understand how this works, do you?

 

[Old Rocks]

The issue is that you run solely on wind and that you and your ilk are being run of town as surplus to sensible requirement .

So , blow away wind bag Decrappy .

Oh my, another dumb **** seems not realize that renewables are now the leading form of new generation being installed in the US. We have multiple ways of storing renewable energy, batteries, pumped hydro, and many others. Also, a grid with large battery storage is far more robust.

 

[Old Rocks]

You don't really understand how this works, do you?

For sure you do not.

 

[Captain Caveman]

We have batteries.

Why do these people keep ignoring that?

Do they not know what batteries are for? Do they not understand they come in various forms?

What's the issue here?

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The "lifespan to cost" ratio for wind turbines is a complex financial and engineering calculation, not a single fixed ratio, but it is generally considered favorable. Key factors include the initial capital cost vs. operational expenses, lifespan (often designed for 20 years but can be extended), and the energy production over that lifespan, which is affected by factors like wind speed and degradation. While specific figures vary, the ratio is positive because the turbine's energy output over its life, especially with proper maintenance, is expected to exceed the total costs.

I've highlighted some important words in bold, they're not definites. Then you have the expense and lifespan of batteries. I imagined there's some dodgy hopeful words in that too.

Once climate folk get onto the nuclear band wagon, we can skip all these silly threads.

 

[Crepitus]

The "lifespan to cost" ratio for wind turbines is a complex financial and engineering calculation, not a single fixed ratio, but it is generally considered favorable. Key factors include the initial capital cost vs. operational expenses, lifespan (often designed for 20 years but can be extended), and the energy production over that lifespan, which is affected by factors like wind speed and degradation. While specific figures vary, the ratio is positive because the turbine's energy output over its life, especially with proper maintenance, is expected to exceed the total costs.

I've highlighted some important words in bold, they're not definites. Then you have the expense and lifespan of batteries. I imagined there's some dodgy hopeful words in that too.

Once climate folk get onto the nuclear band wagon, we can skip all these silly threads.

That's nice and all but it's not the topic here. The OP is about idiots who think solar stops at night and windmills stop when the wind stops.

 

[Viacheslav]

Do they not know what batteries are for? Do they not understand they come in various forms?

If you look at the energy density, the average energy density of a lithium-ion battery is 200 Wh/kg, while coal has an energy density of 6700 Wh/kg in thirty-three times more, the energy density of crude oil is on average twice that of coal. Fossil fuels are the best "batteries" among all chemical batteries. The whole "secret" is that to obtain energy from fossil fuels, an oxidation reaction is used, and oxygen from the environment itself isn't included in the energy density value. For example, let's consider the combustion of methane (energy density comparable to oil); for the complete oxidation of one molecule of methane (CH4), two molecules of oxygen (O2) are required. Therefore, it is useless to compete with oil, gas, gasoline, and coal using chemical batteries that aren't based on oxidation, and this is where hydrogen comes into the picture. Hydrogen fuel cells can now have (in laboratories) an energy density of up to 2500 Wh/kg, which is quite good

But at the moment, the most efficient batteries we have (if we're talking about capacities in the hundreds of megabytes) are pumped-storage hydroelectric power plants.

 

[Captain Caveman]

That's nice and all but it's not the topic here. The OP is about idiots who think solar stops at night and windmills stop when the wind stops.

Like I said, embrace nuclear to quit these silly threads.

Batteries go into the end of some of my power tools.