Bataan Death March April 10 1942

[whitehall]

For anyone to disparage any US soldier that was in the Philippines and was captured is disgusting. They fought a brilliant retreat back to the Bataan peninsula and held out for months, until their supplies ran out. Just as with the Marines on Wake at the beginning of the war who fought extremely well, sank two Japanese destroyers with a handful of 5" guns on Wake, and only surrendered to vastly superior numbers of enemy that had plentiful supplies and ammunition two weeks later.

The US forces at Bataan beat the hell out of the Japs until they ran low on supplies and ammunition.

MacArthur left because he was ordered to leave. His capture and/or death would not have made any difference re the Bataan death march.

MacArthur was in charge. He was the freaking general who should have spent every waking hour preparing for the mission of protecting his Army from destruction. He should have been subject to a court martial after being evacuated but he was awarded the MOH. Go figure.

A court martial for being caught behind enemy lines at the start of a war the US was in no position to fight. Whose men fought valiantly until running out of ammo and supplies.

You don't get to rewrite history to suit your conspiracy theories.[/QUOTEMaybe you have MacArthu

 

[whitehall]

For anyone to disparage any US soldier that was in the Philippines and was captured is disgusting. They fought a brilliant retreat back to the Bataan peninsula and held out for months, until their supplies ran out. Just as with the Marines on Wake at the beginning of the war who fought extremely well, sank two Japanese destroyers with a handful of 5" guns on Wake, and only surrendered to vastly superior numbers of enemy that had plentiful supplies and ammunition two weeks later.

The US forces at Bataan beat the hell out of the Japs until they ran low on supplies and ammunition.

MacArthur left because he was ordered to leave. His capture and/or death would not have made any difference re the Bataan death march.

MacArthur was in charge. He was the freaking general who should have spent every waking hour preparing for the mission of protecting his Army from destruction. He should have been subject to a court martial after being evacuated but he was awarded the MOH. Go figure.

A court martial for being caught behind enemy lines at the start of a war the US was in no position to fight. Whose men fought valiantly until running out of ammo and supplies.

You don't get to rewrite history to suit your conspiracy theories.

MacArthur wasn't some Private who was caught behind enemy lines. He was the guy who determined what the enemy lines would be. Americans ran out of ammo and surrendered because MacArthur was in charge.

 

[regent]

So how have you classified the American soldiers in the Philippines that didn't surrender and stayed alive during the entire war?

 

[whitehall]

So how have you classified the American soldiers in the Philippines that didn't surrender and stayed alive during the entire war?

I don't want to play this game anymore. I'd say that the general who was ordered to escape and leave his Troops to surrender and torture should have been relieved of duty rather than presented with the Medal of Honor. .

 

[harmonica]

An example of real heroes in WW2 in the Pacific were the (forgotten) guys on Iwo Jima where "Uncommon Valor was a common virtue". The poor bastards who were left to surrender and rot on Bataan weren't heroes, they were pathetic survivors.

--aaahhh--you know--they did fight before they became POWS???!!!???
..it took great mental strength-bravery to ''survive'' in POW camps--especially Japanese POW camps
remember-- they fought a HOPELESS battle--no hope--but they still fought and did their duty....
..they didn't have as much food/ammo/air and naval support/
..on Corregidor, they were subject to one of the heaviest/sustained bombardments--and they still fought on
..then after that, they were put on the Death March
..then after that, they endured POW camp where some died everyday due to sanitation problems/malnourished/etc
..you just bad mouthed veterans .....
..you obviously have no knowledge on the subject--so learn some before you bad mouth heroes Mr. Armchair Hero
..you have your air conditioning/heat/refrigerator/car/etc......these heroes had to fight/live/sleep without real beds/AC/heat/enough food/water/etc...with death every DAY

 

[harmonica]

An example of real heroes in WW2 in the Pacific were the (forgotten) guys on Iwo Jima where "Uncommon Valor was a common virtue". The poor bastards who were left to surrender and rot on Bataan weren't heroes, they were pathetic survivors.

During the last few weeks of April and early May,1942the crushing bombardment from the overwhelming number of Japanese siege artillery guns soon knocked out the vast majority of Corregidor's coastal artillery batteries and 12-inch coastal mortars.

The Last Stand of the Fourth Marines - Corregidor May 1942

In February, the leadership in Washington began to believe that USAFFE was doomed

Wainwright's men were living on quarter rations.

Turning back the enemy, II Corps endured heavy attacks for the next five days

A Desperate Defense: Battle of Bataan

 

[harmonica]

An example of real heroes in WW2 in the Pacific were the (forgotten) guys on Iwo Jima where "Uncommon Valor was a common virtue". The poor bastards who were left to surrender and rot on Bataan weren't heroes, they were pathetic survivors.

May 4

On Mindanao there is reduced activity, but in Manila Bay the Bombardment of Corregidor becomes more intense.

May 5

Just before midnight the Japanese land on Corregidor. Most of the gun emplacements on the island have been put out of action by the Japanese bombardment. Nonetheless, the Japanese lose heavily in the defensive fire before they consolidate their landing.

Timeline

 

[Camp]

So how have you classified the American soldiers in the Philippines that didn't surrender and stayed alive during the entire war?

I don't want to play this game anymore. I'd say that the general who was ordered to escape and leave his Troops to surrender and torture should have been relieved of duty rather than presented with the Medal of Honor. .

Of course, you are ready to quit arguing with an actual American veteran who fought in the Pacific in WWII.

 

[whitehall]

So how have you classified the American soldiers in the Philippines that didn't surrender and stayed alive during the entire war?

I don't want to play this game anymore. I'd say that the general who was ordered to escape and leave his Troops to surrender and torture should have been relieved of duty rather than presented with the Medal of Honor. .

Of course, you are ready to quit arguing with an actual American veteran who fought in the Pacific in WWII.

What's the point? If you want to classify the poor bastards who ran out of ammunition and were forced to surrender to be heroes than go for it but how do you classify real heroes? MacArthur was officially designated as a hero in the shortest most embarrassing citation in Medal of Honor history.

 

[regent]

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So how have you classified the American soldiers in the Philippines that didn't surrender and stayed alive during the entire war?

I don't want to play this game anymore. I'd say that the general who was ordered to escape and leave his Troops to surrender and torture should have been relieved of duty rather than presented with the Medal of Honor. .

Of course, you are ready to quit arguing with an actual American veteran who fought in the Pacific in WWII.

What's the point? If you want to classify the poor bastards who ran out of ammunition and were forced to surrender to be heroes than go for it but how do you classify real heroes? MacArthur was officially designated as a hero in the shortest most embarrassing citation in Medal of Honor history.

I hope you understand that the role of generals is to give medals to other generals.