As an intellectual exercise I posit the following question.

[hadit]

You changed the subject. I said there is no proof Biden wasn't aware of what the autopen was being used for. If staff members were unclear about who authorized them to use it they shouldn't have used it. That's on them.

If he didn't authorize it and doesn't immediately retract/cancel/whatever the document, there's a problem. I mean, I know you're desperate to exonerate Quid Pro Joe, but I would be livid if somebody put my signature on something I didn't authorize. The fact that he's not saying anything means that he either doesn't give a carp, meant to authorize it but failed to follow through, or is permanently out to lunch. Like I said, if somebody brought something up that I supposedly signed but had no knowledge of, I'd be demanding answers.

The made up controversy is an extension of the Right's efforts to paint Biden as being out of touch as prez. The value of pursuing the matter to the regime is clearly to distract the minions.

BTW, please substantiate your assertion.

MSN

You do accept MSN as a credible source, right? Just checking.

 

[Seymour Flops]

If the transcripts don't say what they want them to say, that's exactly what they will claim was done.

Of course.

With very good reason, given the behavior of the DOJ/FBI from 2016 until inauguration day of 2025.

 

[defcon4]

True, it would require the Republicans grow a set and show some integrity.

....says one from the crowd of no integrity.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Your prediction is not going to happen. After 4 years of this, you will more than likely see a record number of Democrats voting because they will have learned a lesson for not voting and whoever the Democratic candidate will be, will not be what you predict.

Democrats "voting?"

You must mean in the General Election, not the Primary, correct?

Repubicans have not been moderate, they have governed from the extreme right so nobody is going to listen to the right whining about the left and JD Vance will probably be the right wing nominee.

Wouldn't be my choice, but you could be right.

Yes, he is "right wing" i.e., he does NOT want kids transgenderized through medication and surgery, he does NOT want the border to be shut down ONLY after five thousand illegals get assylum per day for ten days, he does NOT believe that illegal alien criminals rights are more important than the safety of Americans, and he DOES want America to deal with other nations in ways that are to our advantage.

The DNC will choose for you a candidate who sort of claims that he is sort of ambiguous about the excess of the Democrats and "not Democrats" on those issues. At least one of the hopefuls is already auditioning for that role of "reasonable" Democrat:

Your arrogance after barely winning an election is going to bite you in the ass because Democrats were not done, and what Trump is doing is really bad. Your party has a losing record this century, and unless you guys do some extreme trickery with state voting rules, which Trump is trying to do now, 2028 is going a stern lesson for Republicans.

What Trump is doing is "really bad?"

You better work on that. I don't think the DNC will tolerate such a watered down attack.

Are you feeling poorly?

 

[Independent thinker]

Trump, facing MAGA uproar over Epstein files, tries to shift blame elsewhere​

Why unsealing Epstein grand jury records could be a long process

Facing uproar among his MAGA base over the Jeffrey Epstein files, President Donald Trump is trying to deflect blame to others.

abcnews.go.com

For the sake of discussion let's say trump is waste deep in the Epstein scandal. Let's say evidence emerges he is withholding the files because he is implicated in a sex trafficking crime.

What indication is there that his followers will care after ignoring 26 credible accusations of sexual abuse?

Well, we already know that Bill Clinton did things and democrats didn't give a shit. But, for an intellectual argument, let's just assume that Joe Biden took showers with his young daughter and fondled children thoughout his career. Let's also assume that Joe Biden was actually too senile to remain president of the United States. Would democrats care or get with their media and cover it all up for as long as they could?

 

[berg80]

I don't think the courts will approve releasing the Grand jury testimony.....

I don't think Team trump thinks the court will either. It's a Hail Mary to get the dummies to put down their pitch forks by claiming they "tried" to give the maddening crowd some raw meat to gnash on.

 

[IM2]

Wouldn't be my choice, but you could be right.

Yes, he is "right wing" i.e., he does NOT want kids transgenderized through medication and surgery, he does NOT want the border to be shut down ONLY after five thousand illegals get assylum per day for ten days, he does NOT believe that illegal alien criminals rights are more important than the safety of Americans, and he DOES want America to deal with other nations in ways that are to our advantage.

The DNC will choose for you a candidate who sort of claims that he is sort of ambiguous about the excess of the Democrats and "not Democrats" on those issues. At least one of the hopefuls is auditioning for that role of "reasonable" Democrat:

Kids who CHOOSE to transition do so after extensive medical and psychological examinations done with the parents. So VAnce can't stop a child from choosing that. There was no such border bill that did what you said, and due process is the motherfucing constitutional right everybody here has, whether they are legal or not. If illegals are not bound by that law, they aren't bound by any other; therefore, they aren't illegal. There has been no president who has dealt with other nations to create a disadvantage for America, and if you think that trying to bully other nations with threats of tariffs and military action is negotiating in the best interest of America, you are a fool.

As for your last paragraph, you motherfuckers run and govern on the extreme right, so shut the **** up about what your dumb extremist ass thinks Democrats will do. Any Democrat trying to pander to the right is a loser. Gavin Newsom is an example of a person making a loud noise right now, but he will probably not be the Democratic nominee.

You right-wingers are blowing a whole lot of hot air, given the fact that you have a losing record in this century and you are probably about to lose the midterms, and Trump very well may not make it 4 years. JD Vance will not be present because he will carry the stench of Trump, and any other Republican trying to run can't win because they refused t stand up to Trump. You idiots think America is with you when 9 million more people DID NOT VOTE THAN VOTED FOR DONALD TRUMP!

What Trump is doing is "really bad?"

Most of America sees what the many things he's ******* up are. So you might need to get out of that right-wing echo chamber and look at reality.

 

[berg80]

If he didn't authorize it and doesn't immediately retract/cancel/whatever the document, there's a problem. I mean, I know you're desperate to exonerate Quid Pro Joe

Actually, I'm not, since he doesn't need exoneration. The right wing moral panic over the use of an autopen is a contrived attempt to focus on the past while trump steamrolls the country.

 

[IM2]

Well, we already know that Bill Clinton did things and democrats didn't give a shit. But, for an intellectual argument, let's just assume that Joe Biden took showers with his young daughter and fondled children thoughout his career. Let's also assume that Joe Biden was actually too senile to remain president of the United States. Would democrats care or get with their media and cover it all up for as long as they could?

OK, let's stop bringing up Clinton, who had a consensual affair with a grown ass woman, and lying about Biden, and don't post photoshopped images and edited fake videos. You morons keep talking about Biden, but he is not president, and if he were senile, his polices sure did do some good. Meanwhile, Trump is just as old, but you want to pretend that his mind is right when he is in worse cognitive shape than Biden ever was.

Trump used this to lie about Democrats, and you guys repeated it. Trump was buddies with Epstein. They were dogs. So I do believe Trump participated in some of the parties with Epstein.

 

[Frankenstein]

Actually, I'm not, since he doesn't need exoneration. The right wing moral panic over the use of an autopen is a contrived attempt to focus on the past while trump steamrolls the country.

It's about prosecuting the very vermin that caused millions of deaths, through a pandemic created and released by the fuacci

 

[d0gbreath]

Really come on, you can’t even spell post!

posit /pŏz′ĭt/
transitive verb

1. To assume or put forward, as for consideration or the basis of argument.

If you want to feel dumb now, it's OK.

 

[berg80]

Of course.

With very good reason, given the behavior of the DOJ/FBI from 2016 until inauguration day of 2025.

You must be referring to the investigations of both possible and actual crimes involving your Dear Leader and his mob of violent criminals.

 

[Independent thinker]

OK, let's stop bringing up Clinton, who had a consensual affair with a grown ass woman, and lying about Biden, and don't post photoshopped images and edited fake videos. You morons keep talking about Biden, but he is not president, and if he were senile, his polices sure did do some good. Meanwhile, Trump is just as old, but you want to pretend that his mind is right when he is in worse cognitive shape than Biden ever was.

Trump used this to lie about Democrats, and you guys repeated it. Trump was buddies with Epstein. They were dogs. So I do believe Trump participated in some of the parties with Epstein.

LOL. A consensual affair? What happened to you lefties claiming that when one person has power over another person, it isn't consenual?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Kids who CHOOSE to transition do so after extensive medical and psychological examinations done with the parents.

I hope Democrats keep saying that. We might be rid of you forever after the next election.

But, your Masters have seen the handwriting on the wall and are seeking ways to back away from that absurd position as we speak.

So VAnce can't stop a child from choosing that. There was no such border bill that did what you said,

Now, you're lying.

and due process is the motherfucing constitutional right everybody here has, whether they are legal or not. If illegals are not bound by that law, they aren't bound by any other; therefore, they aren't illegal.

"Illegals aren't bound by any law?"

I don't think your Masters would want you to say that part out loud.

There has been no president who has dealt with other nations to create a disadvantage for America, and if you think that trying to bully other nations with threats of tariffs and military action is negotiating in the best interest of America, you are a fool.

I'll disagree, but not expect you to have the intellectual capacity to understand why you're wrong.

As for your last paragraph, you motherfuckers run and govern on the extreme right, so shut the **** up about what your dumb extremist ass thinks Democrats will do. Any Democrat trying to pander to the right is a loser. Gavin Newsom is an example of a person making a loud noise right now, but he will probably not be the Democratic nominee.

What you think of as "extreme right" is the way most Americans understand to be normal.

You right-wingers are blowing a whole lot of hot air, given the fact that you have a losing record in this century and you are probably about to lose the midterms, and Trump very well may not make it 4 years. JD Vance will not be present because he will carry the stench of Trump, and any other Republican trying to run can't win because they refused t stand up to Trump. You idiots think America is with you when 9 million more people DID NOT VOTE THAN VOTED FOR DONALD TRUMP!

The non-voters are inert and need not be discussed in any political forum.

Most of America sees what the many things he's ******* up are. So you might need to get out of that right-wing echo chamber and look at reality.

Like the "reality" of the Steele Dossier?

 

[hadit]

Actually, I'm not, since he doesn't need exoneration. The right wing moral panic over the use of an autopen is a contrived attempt to focus on the past while trump steamrolls the country.

If someone other than the president in essence forged his signature, we have a problem, and I don't care if it happened in the last term or not. Unlike some, we can walk and chew gum at the same time.

 

[IDIOCRACY]

Trump, facing MAGA uproar over Epstein files, tries to shift blame elsewhere​

Why unsealing Epstein grand jury records could be a long process

Facing uproar among his MAGA base over the Jeffrey Epstein files, President Donald Trump is trying to deflect blame to others.

abcnews.go.com

For the sake of discussion let's say trump is waste deep in the Epstein scandal. Let's say evidence emerges he is withholding the files because he is implicated in a sex trafficking crime.

What indication is there that his followers will care after ignoring 26 credible accusations of sexual abuse?

Let's say the OP is a Petunia, because if it had a longer life cycle, it would have a bigger brain.

 

[The Irish Ram]

berg80 / intellectual exercise is an oxymoron...

 

[IM2]

I hope Democrats keep saying that. We might be rid of you forever after the next election.

But, your Masters have seen the handwriting on the wall and are seeking ways to back away from that absurd position as we speak.

I stated procedural fact, idiot. I did social work for 30 years. These children just don't walk into school, decide to get a sex change, and the nurse does the surgery. I don't have any master's white ---. But you do. Trump.

Now, you're lying.

No, I am not.

"Illegals aren't bound by any law?"

I don't think your Masters would want you to say that part out loud.

That's not what I said white ---.

IM2 said:
and due process is the motherfucking constitutional right everybody here has, whether they are legal or not. If illegals are not bound by that law, they aren't bound by any other; therefore, they aren't illegal.

Learn how to read Jethro.

I'll disagree, but not expect you to have the intellectual capacity to understand why you're wrong.

My intellectual capacity is obviously far higher than yours, which is why I know what I said is correct.

What you think of as "extreme right" is the way most Americans understand to be normal.

What I said was extreme right is what most Americans understand to be the extreme right. Nody voted for Project 2025, but you dumb MAGAT bitches and none of you are normal.

The non-voters are inert and need not be discussed in any political forum.

The non-voters are American citizens, so they will be discussed, and you will understand that 9 million more people didn't vote for Trump than did. That is something you and the other MAGTS are not counting when you talk your shit, and you fail to see the overall displeasure the majority of Americans are expressing in regards to your right-wing extremist agenda.

Like the "reality" of the Steele Dossier?

And here you show the people that you have a mental health problem. Unlles Trump gets republican states to pull some serious shenanigans, it's more than likely you guys are going to get a reality check next November. So enjoy your little circus while you can white.......

 

[Chuz Life]

A viewpoint not shared by the conservatives on the SC bench.

Am I expected to ignore or dismiss all of the times he has lost in court?

 

[konradv]

Okay - that was funny

And true.