As an intellectual exercise I posit the following question.

[struth]

Is the letter fake? Evidence?

Any evidence it’s real? Multi people have said it’s fake from musk to Vance

 

[konradv]

By all accounts, yes. Multiple people who knew and associated with him said it didn't even sound like him.

Multiple people? I think I’ll go with the WSJ. Unattributed accounts vs a long-standing conservative publication is a no-brainer.

 

[konradv]

Any evidence it’s real? Multi people have said it’s fake from musk to Vance

How would they know? I’ll go with the WSJ. A well-respected conservative publication is more believable than people with no real knowledge of what happened back then.

 

[Chuz Life]

What indication is there that his followers will care after ignoring 26 credible accusations of sexual abuse?

I have never been of the mindset that Trump is above the law. He's not. Our systems are not perfect. Neither the legal system nor the political system is without serious flaws. Trump himself is an extremely flawed person.

Politically, he was still the better choice at the time (IMHO) over Harris and especially over Biden.

Now we have JD Vance in the batter's box. If Trump is "on the list" and the evidence shows he molested and raped young girls on Epstein's Island. . . I would not only support impeachment and criminal convictions, I will also be demanding it. Feel free to bookmark it.

 

[luiza]

This is a cluster **** of epic proportions OP, Trump really stepped into a bucket of shit this time.

Which one ?
And Why ?
And in what circumstasnces ?

 

[Mac1958]

What indication is there that his followers will care after ignoring 26 credible accusations of sexual abuse?

There would almost certainly be a significant difference between caring and admitting that they care.

The deepest Trumpsters -- so well-represented on this board -- would exhaust every last possible excuse, deflection and flat-out lie before they admitted to much more than a brief indiscretion on their leader's part. He is them. They are him. So you're attacking them personally.

There has certainly been quite a bit of cracking of the wall recently. This WSJ thing may exacerbate that a bit.

 

[struth]

How would they know? I’ll go with the WSJ. A well-respected conservative publication is more believable than people with no real knowledge of what happened back then.

How would I know? Because they have come forward

How is the WSJ more knowledgeable? Did they work with Trump? Read his letters

 

[SeaMajor7]

What a waste of time freaking out over this BULLSHIT.
The demented LEFT are going to milk this nonsense forever.

 

[berg80]

Get all the info out there and let's find out, shall we? Let's see who else is tangled up in the sleaze. Naturally, the only one you care about is Orange Man, but most of us don't care who it is, they need to be exposed.

It is not clear that the Justice Department will be able to convince a federal judge in New York, where Epstein was investigated, to release the transcripts that indicted him in 2019 on child sex trafficking charges.

Grand jury transcripts are, as a rule, kept secret under federal criminal procedure rules, which provide limited, narrow exceptions.

It is also not clear that if the transcripts are released that they will satisfy critics of Bond’s recent decision not to release any more documents or evidence related to Epstein The transcripts would represent just a fraction of the evidence assembled by prosecutors and the FBI.

“Nice try @AGPamBondi,” Rep. Daniel Goldman, D-N.Y. wrote in a tweet on Thursday night.

“What about videos, photographs and other recordings? What about FBI 302′s (witness interviews)? What about texts and emails?” Goldman wrote. “That’s where the evidence about Trump and others will be. Grand jury testimony will only relate to Epstein and Maxwell.”

Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, in a tweet called Bondi’s announcement “HUGE,” but also added, “I hope and expect this will be the first of several steps to let the public know what happened.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/18/trump-epstein-case-grand-jury.html

This decision to release a very limited amount of info instead of everything the DoJ has may backfire in its attempt to get "stupid people" off the subject.

 

[citygator]

What indication is there that his followers will care after ignoring 26 credible accusations of sexual abuse?

 

[berg80]

There would almost certainly be a significant difference between caring and admitting that they care.

The deepest Trumpsters -- so well-represented on this board -- would exhaust every last possible excuse, deflection and flat-out lie before they admitted to much more than a brief indiscretion on their leader's part. He is them. They are him. So you're attacking them personally.

There has certainly been quite a bit of cracking of the wall recently. This WSJ thing may exacerbate that a bit.

Even though the Murdoch's have not been all in on Generalissimo trump for some time now, the WSJ isn't the first RWM outlet to be less than totally in the tank on this controversy.

How bizarre that after all the flatly unconstitutional, unethical, cruel, corrupt, damaging things Dotard has done it's this matter they chose to break with him over.

 

[berg80]

I have never been of the mindset that Trump is above the law.

A viewpoint not shared by the conservatives on the SC bench.

 

[konradv]

How would I know? Because they have come forward

How is the WSJ more knowledgeable? Did they work with Trump? Read his letters

WSJ is hardly a fly by night organization. It’s a conservative publication which would hardly go after Trump without plenty of evidence.

 

[Mac1958]

How bizarre that after all flatly unconstitutional, unethical, cruel, corrupt, damaging things Dotard has done it's this matter they chose to break with him over.

Absolutely freakin' fascinating. After all those times it had been asked, "what's it going to take?"

Although methinks it's also possible that some have just been looking for a proper enough excuse.

 

[IM2]

Trump, facing MAGA uproar over Epstein files, tries to shift blame elsewhere​

Why unsealing Epstein grand jury records could be a long process

Facing uproar among his MAGA base over the Jeffrey Epstein files, President Donald Trump is trying to deflect blame to others.

abcnews.go.com

For the sake of discussion let's say trump is waste deep in the Epstein scandal. Let's say evidence emerges he is withholding the files because he is implicated in a sex trafficking crime.

What indication is there that his followers will care after ignoring 26 credible accusations of sexual abuse?

He's already trying to blame Democrats and his worshippers will buy the lie.

 

[IM2]

Oh, I would care!

Oh, boy would I care!

So much that I would vote for the VERY NEXT politician who is NOT a person implicated in such a scheme, nor a person who took inappropriate showers with his daughters or any other abuse of underage females, nor a person who has a near-pathological hatred for America, such that they lament alien criminals being deported for the safety of citizens.

If no such politician is in the race, then I have to vote for the disgusting human being who does not have that near-pathological hatred for America.

Good news, though!

My prediction for 2028: Republican voters nominate a woman, unlikely to be tainted by a sex traficking or abuse scandal, and Democratic voters vote for whoever. Their vote doesn't matter, and the DNC selects a white male who has been an extreme liberal for a decade or more, but now will run as a moderate.

Pretty easy choice, I'd say.

Your prediction is not going to happen. After 4 years of this, you will more than likely see a record number of Democrats voting because they will have learned a lesson for not voting and whoever the Democratic candidate will be, will not be what you predict. Repubicans have not been moderate, they have governed from the extreme right so nobody is going to listen to the right whining about the left and JD Vance will probably be the right wing nominee.

Your arrogance after barely winning an election is going to bite you in the ass because Democrats were not done, and what Trump is doing is really bad. Your party has a losing record this century, and unless you guys do some extreme trickery with state voting rules, which Trump is trying to do now, 2028 is going a stern lesson for Republicans.

 

[Frankenstein]

Trump, facing MAGA uproar over Epstein files, tries to shift blame elsewhere​

Why unsealing Epstein grand jury records could be a long process

Facing uproar among his MAGA base over the Jeffrey Epstein files, President Donald Trump is trying to deflect blame to others.

abcnews.go.com

For the sake of discussion let's say trump is waste deep in the Epstein scandal. Let's say evidence emerges he is withholding the files because he is implicated in a sex trafficking crime.

What indication is there that his followers will care after ignoring 26 credible accusations of sexual abuse?

Intellectual?

 

[citygator]

He's already trying to blame Democrats and his worshippers will buy the lie.

Some will. But a few wont. And the republican margins are razor thin. They have the smallest majority in 90 years.

Last time Trump lost 40 seats in the midterm and we werent reading his love notes to Epstein at the time... just to Kim Jong.

 

[SeaMajor7]

All this political THEATRE of constant butt-hurt over ORANGE MAN BAD is getting really ******* OLD.
Do you demented zombies have any policy initiatives to offer for the American People?
No, you do NOT.
Just constant HATE for todays Emanuel Goldstein on the right. It's Trump today, bit no matter who is in office under the Republican Party, it's TWO MINUTES HATE from you brainwashed morons.
TRUUUUUUUUUUMP

 

[citygator]

All this political THEATRE of constant butt-hurt over ORANGE MAN BAD is getting really ******* OLD.
Do you demented zombies have any policy initiatives to offer for the American People?
No, you do NOT.
Just constant HATE for todays Emanuel Goldstein on the right. It's Trump today, bit no matter who is in office under the Republican Party, it's TWO MINUTES HATE from you brainwashed morons.
TRUUUUUUUUUUMP

Fewer handouts of tax breaks for the uber wealthy pedophiles Trump is protecting