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Votto

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ONLY conservatives care about fiscal sanity. As a result, I implore everyone to not divide conservatives to join other parties like Elon is suggesting because that will only get democrats elected. Then you are faced with continual fiscal insanity, if not worse, along side of the rest of their insanity on all other issues.

The Article V movement offers a way out without splitting up MAGA. Currently, there are 19 states that have joined as there are 34 states needed. We need just 15 more states. Look at the list to see if your state is one, and if so, join the movement to lobby your local state officials to pass it.

Once they get the 34rth state, then states can impose a balanced budget amendment to mandate fiscal sanity.

Here is the list so far.



 
No, just no....Way too much risk involved as there is no limit to the agenda of a convention, no rules about delegate selection.....I sure as hell don't want the blue city states dictating what Virginia does.....It's bad enough as it is.

The precedent is each State has one vote. And it still requires 3/4 of the State legislatures to pass the amendment after proposed.
 
I'd like to believe that but it's not set in stone.

The first constitutional convention did it that way, and that's the only one we have seen so far.

And as I said, it still takes 3/4 of the State legislatures to pass the amendment, same as if Congress passed it.
 
The first constitutional convention did it that way, and that's the only one we have seen so far.

And as I said, it still takes 3/4 of the State legislatures to pass the amendment, same as if Congress passed it.
Blue states won't be bound by what "some old wigged guys" did 250 years ago.....That's a dead certainty given how they try to circumvent what they did now.

Have you not been paying attention?
 
Blue states won't be bound by what "some old wigged guys" did 250 years ago.....That's a dead certainty given how they try to circumvent what they did now.

Have you not been paying attention?
Again, what is the alternative? Congress will never impose such restrictions on themselves, much like they demanded the Executive Branch due to corruption after the king FDR to only serve 2 terms, but refuse to implement that on themselves, as if they are somehow less corrupt. LOL.

The massive spending can only result in taxing and/or inflating the nation into nothingness.

You don't seem that concerned even though you have gotten a taste of inflation currently.
 
Blue states won't be bound by what "some old wigged guys" did 250 years ago.....That's a dead certainty given how they try to circumvent what they did now.

Have you not been paying attention?

Their 50 delegates per State can scream all they want, but anything still has to get 3/4 of the States to vote yes, even if somehow the Progs managed to ignore everything about how an Article V convention is supposed to happen.
 

ONLY conservatives care about fiscal sanity. As a result, I implore everyone to not divide conservatives to join other parties like Elon is suggesting because that will only get democrats elected. Then you are faced with continual fiscal insanity, if not worse, along side of the rest of their insanity on all other issues.

The Article V movement offers a way out without splitting up MAGA. Currently, there are 19 states that have joined as there are 34 states needed. We need just 15 more states. Look at the list to see if your state is one, and if so, join the movement to lobby your local state officials to pass it.

Once they get the 34rth state, then states can
Again, what is the alternative?

The massive spending can only result in taxing and/or inflating the nation into nothingness.

You don't seem that concerned even though you have gotten a taste of inflation currently.

a balanced budget amendment to mandate fiscal sanity.

Here is the list so far.



If we don't have the will to do it without an amendment, how will we get 3/4 of the states on board? What we need is leaders who are good at building consensus. But we gave up on those long ago.
 
Again, what is the alternative?

The massive spending can only result in taxing and/or inflating the nation into nothingness.

You don't seem that concerned even though you have gotten a taste of inflation currently.

And other things can be fixed.

1. Birthright Citizenship
2. Census numbers only for citizens.
3. Firm up the 2nd amendment.
4. remove application of the 14th amendment to State legislatures, allowing upper houses based on geography
5. Return the Senate to the State legislatures.
 
Only conservatives care about fiscal sanity?

Then what are Trumpsters?

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What are Trumpsters?

Desperate for any representation they can muster

With both parties, either way there will be fiscal insanity, but with the GOP perhaps some sanity with immigration and foreign policy and not mutilating the genitals of children around the country along the way, but I digress.
 

ONLY conservatives care about fiscal sanity. As a result, I implore everyone to not divide conservatives to join other parties like Elon is suggesting because that will only get democrats elected. Then you are faced with continual fiscal insanity, if not worse, along side of the rest of their insanity on all other issues.

Neat rundown, Votto. You’re right that 19 states are on the board and 34 is the magic number to call the party. Just remember:
Calling the party ≠ writing the amendment, and writing ≠ ratifying. After 34 invites go out, 38 states still have to R.S.V.P. “yes” before any balanced-budget mandate moves from bumper sticker to binding law.

That’s a steeper climb than my credit-card balance after Black Friday, and I’m pretty sure neither party has a fiscal-sanity monopoly on that ledger.

But hey—if Ohio becomes state #20, maybe we’ll at least get convention-swag: “Article V Tour 2025—Because Congress Won’t Stop Swiping the Nation’s Card.”

(I’d buy the T-shirt, provided it’s paid for in cash.)
 
No, just no....Way too much risk involved as there is no limit to the agenda of a convention, no rules about delegate selection.....I sure as hell don't want the blue city states dictating what Virginia does.....It's bad enough as it is.
Yes, YES, YES. The agenda is set, there is no risk, the time is NOW. It takes 38 states to pass anything.



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Four states: California, Texas, New York, and Florida, have the plurality of the US population. A new constitutional convention throws everything up in the air.

If push comes to shove you think Texas or New York will give a shit about what Idaho thinks?
 
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Four states: California, Texas, New York, and Florida, have the plurality of the US population. A new constitutional convention throws everything up in the air.

The Convention isn't run based on population. The original Constitutional Convention, the Template for any Article V one, voted by State.
 
If we don't have the will to do it without an amendment, how will we get 3/4 of the states on board? What we need is leaders who are good at building consensus. But we gave up on those long ago.
The majority does not always know what is best. That is the key.

For example, the majority of Americans did not support the Revolutionary war. It was too difficult and painful for most as the minority carried the torch.

The same is with fiscal sanity. The minority must carry the torch to endure the difficulties of turning off the never ending money spicket, as it will piss off a lot of people.

So, how does one get something done without the majority support? The Left has set up conditions for this. Why? Because the Left over the years have dumbed down the populace in order to control them. Additionally, they have subverted all power to the Executive Branch so that now Americans think to institute change they must elect the perfect President. sadly, voters now look to the President for all their needs, all their hope and wants. Therefore, most Americans don't even know who their Congressional representatives are in the US Congress, let alone their local public officials.

As a result, the zombie apocalypse now only shows up to vote for a President, or at best, to oust the other party during the midterms in the Swamp, while probably not even voting for anyone else.

Well guess what, with the Article V movement, the only votes that matter are for you local state representatives, people that the voting zombies probably don't even realize exists. This means that a minority of well informed voters can spearhead the change, just like during the American Revolution.

It was set up by the Founders to help keep the Federal government in check, and it is pure genius.

The majority simply does not understand that you can continue tax cuts and free everything indefinitely. First of all, nothing is free, and second of all, printing money out of thin air only leads to inflation. That means you will pay one way or the other.

Again, the government dumbing down society has a lot to do with this and is not entirely the voters fault. State run academia now celebrates socialism and the notion that the Constitution guarantees free everything, or you must burn the system down.
 
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