Article III Section 3, levying war against the US or giving aid and comfort to their enemies

[PeterPilot]

Treason is the only crime defined in the Constitution. Is the term "traitor" used too loosely in public discourse? When it is accurate and appropriate?

 

[1srelluc]

Since the founding of the United States, only about 30 individuals have been charged with treason. Notably, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were executed for espionage, which is often associated with treason, but their charges were not classified as treason in the traditional sense. The rarity of treason charges reflects the stringent legal standards required for such a charge, which typically involves substantial evidence and the involvement of two witnesses to an overt act.
Wikipedia

About the only time I hear "Traitor" bandied about is when leftist blacks refer to sane blacks who escaped the dem plantation as "race traitors".

 

[PeterPilot]

Since the founding of the United States, only about 30 individuals have been charged with treason. Notably, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were executed for espionage, which is often associated with treason, but their charges were not classified as treason in the traditional sense. The rarity of treason charges reflects the stringent legal standards required for such a charge, which typically involves substantial evidence and the involvement of two witnesses to an overt act.
Wikipedia

About the only time I hear "Traitor" bandied about is when leftist blacks refer to sane blacks who escaped the dem plantation as "race traitors".

Does the rarity of treason charges reflect the strict legal standards, or the corruption of the government?

 

[1srelluc]

Does the rarity of treason charges reflect the strict legal standards, or the corruption of the government?

No idea.

 

[Stryder50]

Does the rarity of treason charges reflect the strict legal standards, or the corruption of the government?

Both

 

[PeterPilot]

No idea.

For example, in this day and age, consulting with historical events regarding the undue influence of Zionism in these United States and their government, it is obvious to me that the Zionist State is very much an enemy of the United States, its Constitution and its people. It has attacked our Navy ships, it attacked the country on 911, for many decades it has bribed and blackmailed our elected representatives into passing laws that are repugnant to the Constitution and its principles.

Logic and the law demand that those who give aid and comfort to that Zionist State have committed treason and are traitors.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Treason is the only crime defined in the Constitution. Is the term "traitor" used too loosely in public discourse? When it is accurate and appropriate?

Right off hand, I would think Islamist terrorist supporters such as yourself would qualify.

Of course, you would have to be an American to qualify instead of a crazed Pally.

 

[1srelluc]

For example, in this day and age, consulting with historical events regarding the undue influence of Zionism in these United States and their government, it is obvious to me that the Zionist State is very much an enemy of the United States, its Constitution and its people. It has attacked our Navy ships, it attacked the country on 911, for many decades it has bribed and blackmailed our elected representatives into passing laws that are repugnant to the Constitution and its principles.

Logic and the law demand that those who give aid and comfort to that Zionist State have committed treason and are traitors.

I'll say this, it seems much of the espionage is being conducted in the US over the past few decades is for the benefit of Israel or the Chi-Coms.

That said, when it results in things like Israel's Operation Grim Beeper we tend to overlook it.

 

[PeterPilot]

I'll say this, it seems much of the espionage is being conducted in the US over the past few decades is for the benefit of Israel or the Chi-Coms.

That said, when it results in things like Israel's Operation Grim Beeper we tend to overlook it.

Jonathan Pollard was convicted only of espionage, though his crimes were more serious than that. Though US born, Bing/Google say he was not a US citizen. That sounds like cyber propaganda, but who knows?

 

[PeterPilot]

Right off hand, I would think Islamist terrorist supporters such as yourself would qualify.

Of course, you would have to be an American to qualify instead of a crazed Pally.

You come across as a dogmaphile, not a dogmaphobe. You're heavy into that Zionist dogma.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

You come across as a dogmaphile, not a dogmaphobe. You're heavy into that Zionist dogma.

You come across as an inbred who is obsessed with Jews.

 

[PeterPilot]

You come across as an inbred who is obsessed with Jews.

And I'm actually one of those people who are able to distinguish between good Jews and wicked Jews.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

And I'm actually one of those people who are able to distinguish between good Jews and wicked Jews.

No, you are not l.

The only "Good Jews" in your hateful little world are the tiny minority of nut jobs who seek the destruction of Israel just as much as you do.

 

[PeterPilot]

No, you are not l.

The only "Good Jews" in your hateful little world are the tiny minority of nut jobs who seek the destruction of Israel just as much as you do.

I'm not concerned with the destruction of Israel sir, I'm concerned with the destruction of the US Constitution and the United States Of America.

The facts are that the entire federal government is completely controlled by that foreign country, and so are numerous state governments like Florida with Rabbi DeSantis.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Treason is the only crime defined in the Constitution. Is the term "traitor" used too loosely in public discourse? When it is accurate and appropriate?

Yes. Very much yes. So much in fact that it may have lost its meaning.

 

[PeterPilot]

Yes. Very much yes. So much in fact that it may have lost its meaning.

Having taken that federal oath back in 1969 to protect and defend the US Constitution, I see the term as still having meaning and particularly relevant today, given the blatant Zionist control of the federal government. And state governments too, some of them at least, including my state of Florida, headed up by Rabbi DeSantis.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

Treason is the only crime defined in the Constitution. Is the term "traitor" used too loosely in public discourse? When it is accurate and appropriate?

Compared to the term "dictator," no.

Although the coarsely controlled compound oligarchy with a compromised judiciary is better than a dictatorship, it is not what anyone expects; otherwise, American civics lessons would describe the inevitable approach to the partisan oligarchy, and pundits would not be fear-mongering descriptions of the presidential candidates as infamous dictators. The three-branch government prevents a dictatorship, and suggesting that such authoritarianism is possible probably dulls the critical thinker’s ability to recognize the systemic inadequacies in the practical operations of the assumed government. Politicians, bureaucrats, lawyers, law and political science professors, who make such accusations, may be committing perjury for failure to defend the Constitution or academic misconduct for false instruction. They recklessly commit their offenses because Constitutional dogma hides the inadequacies, compelling them to deploy allusions suggesting that the other political party is exploiting the assumed altruistic aspects of the “not perfect but better than any other Constitution.” It is an unwitting form of virtue signaling, suggesting that the legendary government requires their virtuous politicians to defend the honor of the Constitution with the deliverance of the altruistic ideology necessary for steering the Founders’ fragile democracy towards the intended justice, tranquility, defense, general welfare, and liberty.

 

[PeterPilot]

Compared to the term "dictator," no.

Although the coarsely controlled compound oligarchy with a compromised judiciary is better than a dictatorship, it is not what anyone expects; otherwise, American civics lessons would describe the inevitable approach to the partisan oligarchy, and pundits would not be fear-mongering descriptions of the presidential candidates as infamous dictators. The three-branch government prevents a dictatorship, and suggesting that such authoritarianism is possible probably dulls the critical thinker’s ability to recognize the systemic inadequacies in the practical operations of the assumed government. Politicians, bureaucrats, lawyers, law and political science professors, who make such accusations, may be committing perjury for failure to defend the Constitution or academic misconduct for false instruction. They recklessly commit their offenses because Constitutional dogma hides the inadequacies, compelling them to deploy allusions suggesting that the other political party is exploiting the assumed altruistic aspects of the “not perfect but better than any other Constitution.” It is an unwitting form of virtue signaling, suggesting that the legendary government requires their virtuous politicians to defend the honor of the Constitution with the deliverance of the altruistic ideology necessary for steering the Founders’ fragile democracy towards the intended justice, tranquility, defense, general welfare, and liberty.

In theory it prevents a dictatorship. Sadly, in practice not so much. When Congress abdicates its authorities and duties, when Congress & POTUS are owned by foreign countries, not so much.