Are words responsible for Charlie Kirk's political assassination and if they are who's words get a pass, Charlie's?

[ThisIsMe]

here are a few.
denying the existence of systemic racism, calling white privilege a 'racist idea', and vilifying critical race theory <a href="Charlie Kirk, White Supremacist, Dead at 31" rel="noopener noreferrer">[1]</a>. He has also been reported to have referred to George Floyd as a 'scumbag' <a href="Charlie Kirk, White Supremacist, Dead at 31" rel="noopener noreferrer">[1]</a>, and made comments about Black pilots being incompetent, and criticizing the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Martin Luther King Jr. <a href="Racism, Rhetoric, and Charlie Kirk: A Reality We Can’t Ignore" rel="noopener noreferrer">[2]</a>. Additionally, Kirk has been accused of making comments questioning the intellectual capabilities of women and black people, and calling immigrants and transgender people threats

No no...I dont want the "story" from some biased left wing site who has an agenda to push a narrative. I want kirks own words. Post me HIS words saying these things.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

No no...I dont want the "story" from some biased left wing site who has an agenda to push a narrative. I want kirks own words. Post me HIS words saying these things.

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They can't. All they've got is lies fed to them by their TV's.

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[BULLDOG]

No no...I dont want the "story" from some biased left wing site who has an agenda to push a narrative. I want kirks own words. Post me HIS words saying these things.

Doesn't matter what you want. Kirks words have already been quoted many times in this thread alone. Not my job to step and fetch what you have already been given. The innocent little debater you are trying to depict that hateful divider as doesn't match the reality of who he was.

 

[Hafar1014]

Damn, you need to share what you are smoking. The economy will be in great shape? How the hell you get that? The big stumbling block concerning the budget bill is those enhanced Obamacare premiums. Many Republicans worry that eliminating them, which is the current proposal, will result in those health insurance premiums on the exchange becoming unaffordable for millions of Americans. The backlash could be intense. Ain't that ironic.

I mean what the hell does the Republican party have to run on? Inflation, uh no. Increased employment, uh, no again. Ending the wars in the Middle East and Ukraine. A big fat no. The left is a bunch of commie killers, yep, that seems to be about right. Investigation after investigation after investigation, boy howdy, I know that is why I send people to Congress, to "investigate", legislate--ah, **** that shit. Crime is exploding, uh, no it is not. But damn, you got nothing else to run on.

I mean it is comical really. Are you better off now than before Trump took office? Uh no, the vast majority of Americans are going to answer in the negative. The Republican response. We control the House, we control the Senate, we control the Executive office, and we control the SCOTUS. It is the Democrats fault. WTF? How the hell does that make sense.

Here is what we see. We see the radical ends of both parties. You Trumpnuts on the right who trip over yourselves supporting a damn clown show. And the progressive radicals on the left. I mean damn, how hard is it to condemn the murder of Charlie Kirk? It was wrong, and yes, it probably will empower the Turning Point Christian Nationalist movement, hell yeah, I want to be first in line to kick that perps sorry ******* ass. It was just stupid.

And yes, the Democrat party approval ratings are hitting record lows. But like I said, you are on one fringe and looking at the other fringe. The middle, the independents, they are running away from leaning right and increasingly leaning left. That doesn't bode well for the Republican party. And let me give you my prediction for the economy.

The Fed will cut interest rates, in the face of declining employment numbers and under pressure from the administration, they will cave and lower interest rates. Not ******* good. That will throw gasoline on the fire that is tariff induced inflation and severely lower the value of the dollar, great for exporters, not so good for financing the debt or increasing manufacturing jobs. Those foreign provided inputs are going to become prohibitively expensive. Hell, better to pay the tariffs of foreign produced finished goods.

Thanksgiving won't be all that bad, at least I don't think so. Beef prices will pretty much price themselves out of the market, and most the turkeys on the market were slaughtered last year, that is how it works. I have seen a huge shift from beef to chicken and pork, actually catching most retailers by surprise. And seafood has been somewhat resistant to those tariffs, but they are coming. At least a six month lag time on seafood outside of fresh caught.

But then we roll into December. I see understocked shelves, shortages of goods, and traditional Christmas gifts, inflation is going to really hit them hard. From baby dolls as Trump famously explained, to pajamas and sweaters. It ain't going to be pretty. And before Santa even starts stocking his sleigh, those health insurance premiums for next year are going to come rolling in. For parents, this just might be the worse Christmas in two generations.

So, the people are ******* pissed. Inflation and supply chain issues ruining Christmas. Exponentially exploding health insurance premiums sucking the wind out of any Christmas spending budget. And then tax time rolls around. Those Trump tax breaks, no taxes on tips, no taxes on overtime, no taxes on Social Security, they all turn out to be total bullshit. The caps, the limits, people still end up paying taxes on tips, taxes on overtime, taxes on Social Security. I mean talk about pissed off. All those cuts were nuanced, I am here to tell you, the working man or woman, they don't do nuance.

So Republicans will be running from one crisis to another. A murder in this blue city here, an illegal immigrant arrested here, and of course, some transgender dude in a woman's restroom. I figure they double down on that proven technique. For instance, inflation has climbed, employment has dropped the Democrats will say. Republicans will counter, yeah, but the female high school one hundred yard dash in Rhode Island was won by a transitioning transgender something or other. Let's focus on what is important. And besides, illegal immigrants are eating our family pets.

Inflation is stable, prices have not gone up, gas is low, wages are up higher than inflation, taxes are cut, spending power is high compared to 9% inflation and 6.00 dollar a gallon gas under Biden. DOW at record highs, tariffs bringing in 1 trillion a year which paus off the deficit in 2 years. Looks good to me

 

[Winston]

Concerned about whether someone is in a position because of the DEI policies of their employer to meet a race based quota or on merit is not racist nor evil.

Inflation is stable, prices have not gone up, gas is low, wages are up higher than inflation, taxes are cut, spending power is high compared to 9% inflation and 6.00 dollar a gallon gas under Biden. DOW at record highs, tariffs bringing in 1 trillion a year which paus off the deficit in 2 years. Looks good to me

You have spouted that one trillion a year horseshit before. Document that claim from a reliable source or don't throw it around anymore. It isn't even half that and your stupid ass is the one paying the bill. And I swear, you must have your head up your ass, prices are damn sure going up, had a nice steak recently? Beef prices in that category have soared over twenty five percent in the last ******* month.

Who gives a rats ass about the DOW. I am waiting for the FED to cut interest rates and then I am taking gains and going to cash. I got eight figures under management and will do the same with that.

 

[Winston]

tariffs bringing in 1 trillion a year which paus off the deficit in 2 years.

Can you please stop saying that, it makes you look really stupid. So, you got ten grand in credit card debt, that comes from the past five years spending two grand a year more than you make. You get a thousand dollar a year raise, keep spending the same, and you take the entire raise and pay on your DEBT. You still have a thousand dollar a year deficit. Is your DEBT paid off in five years? What is your position after the second year of doing that? Do you need help handling your finances, it sure appears that way.

 

[ThisIsMe]

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They can't. All they've got is lies fed to them by their TV's.

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I agree. I think they tend to see these stories on lefty websites that show select clips of kirk and use them to convince their audience that kirk said all these hateful things, but when you look at the conversation in totality, the context and meaning changes and suddenly its not what they thought.

Thats why I want to see it in his own words, because, if kirk did say some of these horrible things, ill call it out, I have no problem with that, but, while im no student of kirk, i have watched several of his YouTube videos, and what I found is that there wad always an underlying reason for why he said what he said, which was never about a person's race or preference, but about the societal impact of some of these things, and yes, his own personal religious beliefs, but ive never seen him be racist or misogynistic, anti Semitic etc..

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I agree. I think they tend to see these stories on lefty websites that show select clips of kirk and use them to convince their audience that kirk said all these hateful things, but when you look at the conversation in totality, the context and meaning changes and suddenly its not what they thought.

Thats why I want to see it in his own words, because, if kirk did say some of these horrible things, ill call it out, I have no problem with that, but, while im no student of kirk, i have watched several of his YouTube videos, and what I found is that there wad always an underlying reason for why he said what he said, which was never about a person's race or preference, but about the societal impact of some of these things, and yes, his own personal religious beliefs, but ive never seen him be racist or misogynistic, anti Semitic etc..

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Well said.

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[ThisIsMe]

Doesn't matter what you want. Kirks words have already been quoted many times in this thread alone. Not my job to step and fetch what you have already been given. The innocent little debater you are trying to depict that hateful divider as doesn't match the reality of who he was.

See that's what I mean, you all dont want to actually see what he said, you just want your sound bites. Hell, anyone can do that. By your logic, Joe Biden is a racist because he looked up to Robert byrd.

 

[Hafar1014]

Can you please stop saying that, it makes you look really stupid. So, you got ten grand in credit card debt, that comes from the past five years spending two grand a year more than you make. You get a thousand dollar a year raise, keep spending the same, and you take the entire raise and pay on your DEBT. You still have a thousand dollar a year deficit. Is your DEBT paid off in five years? What is your position after the second year of doing that? Do you need help handling your finances, it sure appears that way.

I retired at 52 and I have no debt. Life is good damn good

 

[marvin martian]

We keep seeing claims that there are people who's words are responsible for the murder of Charlie Kirk.

Like this as an example: "the people responsible for Charlie Kirk's political assassination."

If words are to blame, can the attacks on thoughts and ideas be far behind? And who's words are to blame (supposedly), and do Charlie's own words get a pass? If so how is that fair?

People are condemning Democrats who have used the word "FIGHT" in political speeches. Well, let's take a look at something quite interesting:

WATCH: Trump used ‘fight’ or ‘fighting’ 20 times in rally speech, Dean says​

WATCH: Trump used ‘fight’ or ‘fighting’ 20 times in rally speech, Dean says

Prosecutors at President Donald Trump’s impeachment trial are using footage of the rally he headlined ahead of the riot on the Capitol to argue he incited the crowd.

www.pbs.org

and...

Trump's Jan. 6 Speech, was A Key Part Of Impeachment Trial - (he was impeached twice)

There was a discussion at the time: Capitol riots: Did Trump's words at rally incite violence?

later...
Trump using Jan. 6 riot as campaign rallying cry
In Iowa, he called those convicted of attacking the U.S. Capitol "J6 hostages."

yet we have Trump on record: Trump once called Jan. 6 a 'heinous attack.' Now he calls it a 'day of love.'
The former president has increasingly defended his supporters who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, most recently referring to them as "we."

Before many were "pardoned" Jan. 6th criminal defendants said Trump incited them

A look into Trump's words: Dissecting Trump’s “Peacefully and Patriotically” Defense of the January 6th Attack

Now back to Charlie Kirk's own words...

You can't kill people because you don't like what they say. That makes you a terrorist.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Are words responsible for Charlie Kirk's political assassination and if they are who's words get a pass, Charlie's?​

That would be like blaming guns for it, so of course not...on the more enlightened side, if nothing else the anti-2 crusaders may just be able to understand their folly through this lens.

 

[IM2]

It's just not that simple. Words can inspire peope to act.