Are we too far gone?

[Valerie]

All that is needed is for people of all political stripes to insist that facts and evidence be adhered to when making policy decisions.

dumbo donny's dangerous and divisive power grab rhetoric is based on alternative facts AS IF dems are all about protecting criminals by merely protecting our founding constitutional principles...

the dumbo parrots lie out of both sides of their mouths all.day.long

 

[anynameyouwish]

I debated whether or not to post on this thread. And decided ......you listen to Glen Beck too much.

He's Back! Glenn Beck Says Obama Will Throw Opponents in Internment Camps
We are Germany 1930. You can deny it all you want,” he said. “But the socialist revolution is here.”

Actually, I dont listen to beck much anymore. When I listen to conservative radio, I may tune in to beck, but I actually prefer his show now when he is not there, and pat and stu run the show.

Mostly I listen to wilkow on the right, and signorile and obiedalah on the left.

This is just the way I'm feeling these days. It's just hard for me to ignore. You see the fighting here on usmb, and other forums and the stark division in our government. Nobody is getting along, and nobody wants to get along.

We cant continue on this path. It will destroy us in the end.

Your listening habits are part of your problem.

How so? I listen to both sides. It's amazing that when you listen to two sides of a topic how utterly divided the two parties are. Its simply amazing how you can take any topic, have left and right talk shows discuss it, and their opinions could not be more opposite.

It's almost like its staged that way. In my opinion, there are very few topics where two different ideologies cant at least find some common ground. Not the case these days. Listen to the right talk about a topic, then turn to a left leaning station and listen to them talk about the exact same topic, and have completely different views. It's almost as if it is scripted.

Again, this is just how "I" see things. Yes, I probably listen to more talk radio than I should, but it has allowed me to see how utterly divided we are. Its quite uncanny.

"It's amazing that when you listen to two sides of a topic how utterly divided the two parties are. Its simply amazing how you can take any topic, have left and right talk shows discuss it, and their opinions could not be more opposite."


My impression is that liberals will discuss the issue, the data and the facts (on any topic) while conservatives merely bash, mock and ridicule liberals for believing (what ever the topic is)

 

[Anathema]

I think we are. This country is on a downward slide, and there is nothing that can be done to stop it.

The division is so bad now, I don't think we will ever come together again. Perhaps we need to stop worrying about changing the country and start managing the fall.

We are nearly to the point of civil war. All it will take is the right catalyst to start.

This country is not like it was 10 years ago. Obama's pledge to radically transform the country did indeed happen, perhaps not in the way he envisioned, but we are changed.

We are vicious, divided, hate filled people. I just think this country is done. Her best days gone.

They say history repeats itself, and most empires don't last. I think our empire has run its course. It's only a matter if time before we destroy ourselves from within, or another country invades and takes us over.

Yes, this country IS over and there is nothing that can realistically be done to stop that. With that in mind, we need to determine the best way to deal with the endgame; just like a corporation does when it gets bankrupt.

We could go down the road of a civil war, with one side winning and the other being exterminated.

We could split the country into two or more smaller nations m.

Lastly we could simply reboot the existing nation from an updated version of the original operating system.

I’m a far bigger fan of either of the first two options over the third.

 

[Valerie]

"you support illegals" is a TYPICAL dumbo talking point parroted by bold faced liars

 

[task0778]

I think we are. This country is on a downward slide, and there is nothing that can be done to stop it.

The division is so bad now, I don't think we will ever come together again. Perhaps we need to stop worrying about changing the country and start managing the fall.

We are nearly to the point of civil war. All it will take is the right catalyst to start.

This country is not like it was 10 years ago. Obama's pledge to radically transform the country did indeed happen, perhaps not in the way he envisioned, but we are changed.

We are vicious, divided, hate filled people. I just think this country is done. Her best days gone.

They say history repeats itself, and most empires don't last. I think our empire has run its course. It's only a matter if time before we destroy ourselves from within, or another country invades and takes us over.

Rubbish.

The Republic will continue to exist AS a republic long after your great-great-great-grandchildren have lived-out their lives.

Other than foreign provocateur-trolls and wing-nuts on both sides, the vast majority of Americans are Union Men, through-and-through.

I've always heard the left out number the right by quite a margin. With the way millennials are being raised, they are all growing up with socialist indoctrination. It won't be long before the left has ultimate and unfettered control. Those millennials will grow up to be the next generation of politicians, the constitution will be eradicated and the United States will be changed forever.

It could be as you say, but it also could be that at some point enough Americans turn away from the socialistic, bloated gov't that will be far more corrupt than what we have now and say enough is enough. Maybe enough of them will realize that their trust in gov't was misplaced and return to the values that started this country in the 1st place. I suspect there will be another great depression to rival or exceed that of the 1930s, and after much suffering and hardship a new beginning will take place. Maybe after a lot of other ideas are tried and failed, we'll eventually get back to what really works.

 

[saveliberty]

How so? I listen to both sides. It's amazing that when you listen to two sides of a topic how utterly divided the two parties are. Its simply amazing how you can take any topic, have left and right talk shows discuss it, and their opinions could not be more opposite.

It's almost like its staged that way. In my opinion, there are very few topics where two different ideologies cant at least find some common ground. Not the case these days. Listen to the right talk about a topic, then turn to a left leaning station and listen to them talk about the exact same topic, and have completely different views. It's almost as if it is scripted.

Again, this is just how "I" see things. Yes, I probably listen to more talk radio than I should, but it has allowed me to see how utterly divided we are. Its quite uncanny.

Talking is all it is. There has been little if any real leadership in a long time. What we lack is compromise. Not compromise where we slowly descend into a more and more liberal nation, but one where both sides lose a little to gain something bigger.

 

[saveliberty]

"you support illegals" is a TYPICAL dumbo talking point parroted by bold faced liars

Just tell me you want them deported then...

 

[candycorn]

If there is one thing that is truly upsetting it is that our elected officials are no longer accepting of facts. We have a Congressional Budget Office. For decades the CBO has provided neutral analysis of policy proposals. Now CBO scoring is rejected fully on some levels and is called into question almost daily. Our leaders cannot agree on what source material to utilize when having a debate. Other than that, the noise about X, Y, or Z is interesting but doesn’t foretell a huge problem.

As for Education…it could always be better. I’m not so disgusted by the rankings as I am by what is taught to start with.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I debated whether or not to post on this thread. And decided ......you listen to Glen Beck too much.

He's Back! Glenn Beck Says Obama Will Throw Opponents in Internment Camps
We are Germany 1930. You can deny it all you want,” he said. “But the socialist revolution is here.”

Actually, I dont listen to beck much anymore. When I listen to conservative radio, I may tune in to beck, but I actually prefer his show now when he is not there, and pat and stu run the show.

Mostly I listen to wilkow on the right, and signorile and obiedalah on the left.

This is just the way I'm feeling these days. It's just hard for me to ignore. You see the fighting here on usmb, and other forums and the stark division in our government. Nobody is getting along, and nobody wants to get along.

We cant continue on this path. It will destroy us in the end.

Your listening habits are part of your problem.

How so? I listen to both sides. It's amazing that when you listen to two sides of a topic how utterly divided the two parties are. Its simply amazing how you can take any topic, have left and right talk shows discuss it, and their opinions could not be more opposite.

It's almost like its staged that way. In my opinion, there are very few topics where two different ideologies cant at least find some common ground. Not the case these days. Listen to the right talk about a topic, then turn to a left leaning station and listen to them talk about the exact same topic, and have completely different views. It's almost as if it is scripted.

Again, this is just how "I" see things. Yes, I probably listen to more talk radio than I should, but it has allowed me to see how utterly divided we are. Its quite uncanny.

You listen to people who profit from that division.

Of course, one of those three is way worse than the other two.

 

[Theowl32]

I debated whether or not to post on this thread. And decided ......you listen to Glen Beck too much.

He's Back! Glenn Beck Says Obama Will Throw Opponents in Internment Camps
We are Germany 1930. You can deny it all you want,” he said. “But the socialist revolution is here.”

Actually, I dont listen to beck much anymore. When I listen to conservative radio, I may tune in to beck, but I actually prefer his show now when he is not there, and pat and stu run the show.

Mostly I listen to wilkow on the right, and signorile and obiedalah on the left.

This is just the way I'm feeling these days. It's just hard for me to ignore. You see the fighting here on usmb, and other forums and the stark division in our government. Nobody is getting along, and nobody wants to get along.

We cant continue on this path. It will destroy us in the end.

Your listening habits are part of your problem.

How so? I listen to both sides. It's amazing that when you listen to two sides of a topic how utterly divided the two parties are. Its simply amazing how you can take any topic, have left and right talk shows discuss it, and their opinions could not be more opposite.

It's almost like its staged that way. In my opinion, there are very few topics where two different ideologies cant at least find some common ground. Not the case these days. Listen to the right talk about a topic, then turn to a left leaning station and listen to them talk about the exact same topic, and have completely different views. It's almost as if it is scripted.

Again, this is just how "I" see things. Yes, I probably listen to more talk radio than I should, but it has allowed me to see how utterly divided we are. Its quite uncanny.

There is supposed to be opposition parties. That is OUR COUNTRY. We are not supposed to have a ONE PARTY SYSTEM, which is what "bipartisanship" is. Another bullshit word designed to change our paradigm.

Trump is not buying into the globalists. Trying to obliterate the middle class. He does not buy into the left wing narrative that America is RACIST. Supposed to have an opposition party system.

The whole notion that our country was ever anything else is another attempt to rewrite history by the globalists.

They are quite successful at doing that. Most shit we have learned or believe is actually quite false. From how truth about the CRUSADES to how the Trans Atlantic slave trade began. All of it.

Our country is done because of what I mentioned already.

The mainstream media, hollywood and the educational system. All run by globalists pushing left wing propaganda in order to enslave our minds.

 

[anynameyouwish]

I think we are. This country is on a downward slide, and there is nothing that can be done to stop it.

The division is so bad now, I don't think we will ever come together again. Perhaps we need to stop worrying about changing the country and start managing the fall.

We are nearly to the point of civil war. All it will take is the right catalyst to start.

This country is not like it was 10 years ago. Obama's pledge to radically transform the country did indeed happen, perhaps not in the way he envisioned, but we are changed.

We are vicious, divided, hate filled people. I just think this country is done. Her best days gone.

They say history repeats itself, and most empires don't last. I think our empire has run its course. It's only a matter if time before we destroy ourselves from within, or another country invades and takes us over.

Yes, this country IS over and there is nothing that can realistically be done to stop that. With that in mind, we need to determine the best way to deal with the endgame; just like a corporation does when it gets bankrupt.

We could go down the road of a civil war, with one side winning and the other being exterminated.

We could split the country into two or more smaller nations m.

Lastly we could simply reboot the existing nation from an updated version of the original operating system.

I’m a far bigger fan of either of the first two options over the third.

"
We could go down the road of a civil war, with one side winning and the other being exterminated.

We could split the country into two or more smaller nations m.

Lastly we could simply reboot the existing nation from an updated version of the original operating system.

I’m a far bigger fan of either of the first two options over the third."

So which side do you want to slaughter? the left or the right?

I prefer the third option; rewrite the constitution so it can NOT be open for interpretation.

make it specific.

Minimize the vagaries.

ex: ALL American citizens have the same rights.

period.

no re-interpreting this to mean "by American citizens we mean conservative christians only and we definitely do NOT include gays or atheists or non-christians.

 

[Valerie]

"fake news" rhetoric is a cornerstone of the RUSSIAN ACTIVE MEASURES campaign to undermine the USA.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

We are too far gone for anything but the most violent upheaval to correct.

Ben Franklin was correct when he said the constitutional government would work for a course of years. Then it would be replaced by a despotic form of government the people too corrupt to accept any other.

The left is looking forward to the elimination of people who believe in liberty. The entire momentum of the democrats is population replacement. Then they will have the totalitarian utopia they envision.

 

[ThisIsMe]

I debated whether or not to post on this thread. And decided ......you listen to Glen Beck too much.

He's Back! Glenn Beck Says Obama Will Throw Opponents in Internment Camps
We are Germany 1930. You can deny it all you want,” he said. “But the socialist revolution is here.”

Actually, I dont listen to beck much anymore. When I listen to conservative radio, I may tune in to beck, but I actually prefer his show now when he is not there, and pat and stu run the show.

Mostly I listen to wilkow on the right, and signorile and obiedalah on the left.

This is just the way I'm feeling these days. It's just hard for me to ignore. You see the fighting here on usmb, and other forums and the stark division in our government. Nobody is getting along, and nobody wants to get along.

We cant continue on this path. It will destroy us in the end.

Your listening habits are part of your problem.

How so? I listen to both sides. It's amazing that when you listen to two sides of a topic how utterly divided the two parties are. Its simply amazing how you can take any topic, have left and right talk shows discuss it, and their opinions could not be more opposite.

It's almost like its staged that way. In my opinion, there are very few topics where two different ideologies cant at least find some common ground. Not the case these days. Listen to the right talk about a topic, then turn to a left leaning station and listen to them talk about the exact same topic, and have completely different views. It's almost as if it is scripted.

Again, this is just how "I" see things. Yes, I probably listen to more talk radio than I should, but it has allowed me to see how utterly divided we are. Its quite uncanny.

"It's amazing that when you listen to two sides of a topic how utterly divided the two parties are. Its simply amazing how you can take any topic, have left and right talk shows discuss it, and their opinions could not be more opposite."


My impression is that liberals will discuss the issue, the data and the facts (on any topic) while conservatives merely bash, mock and ridicule liberals for believing (what ever the topic is)

Actually, from my observances, it's the exact opposite.

Take any right wing talk show and listen, you will find them using the constitution as the measuring stick, they are all about personal liberty and adhering to the rule of law and constitution. Yes, they both the left, and poke fun at them, I will agree, but they generally are talking in regards to the issues and their policy and ideology.

Now turn to left leaning talk radio and you will find that they are outwardly harsh, name calling, and attacking the person themselves along with their policies. Especially on SiriusXM, the left talk shows are full of cursing and fbombs, and ridicule of the other side. The conservative shows are at least family friendly, you won't hear them using vulgarities to get their point across, and their bashing of the left is about their policies but not necessarily about the person themselves.

I've laid this out before. I challenge anyone to spend a day listening to wilkow and hannity, the spend a day listening to signorile and obiedalah, and come back and tell me what you find. I think you will find the same thing I just described above.

And no, i dont care if they use the foul language, I was merely pointing out how each of those talk hosts mentioned, had a different approach to their commentary.

There are other hosts like Hartman who dont resort to harshness of some of the other talk show hosts, but their viewpoints are every bit as opposite.

 

[ThisIsMe]

I think we are. This country is on a downward slide, and there is nothing that can be done to stop it.

The division is so bad now, I don't think we will ever come together again. Perhaps we need to stop worrying about changing the country and start managing the fall.

We are nearly to the point of civil war. All it will take is the right catalyst to start.

This country is not like it was 10 years ago. Obama's pledge to radically transform the country did indeed happen, perhaps not in the way he envisioned, but we are changed.

We are vicious, divided, hate filled people. I just think this country is done. Her best days gone.

They say history repeats itself, and most empires don't last. I think our empire has run its course. It's only a matter if time before we destroy ourselves from within, or another country invades and takes us over.

Rubbish.

The Republic will continue to exist AS a republic long after your great-great-great-grandchildren have lived-out their lives.

Other than foreign provocateur-trolls and wing-nuts on both sides, the vast majority of Americans are Union Men, through-and-through.

I've always heard the left out number the right by quite a margin. With the way millennials are being raised, they are all growing up with socialist indoctrination. It won't be long before the left has ultimate and unfettered control. Those millennials will grow up to be the next generation of politicians, the constitution will be eradicated and the United States will be changed forever.

It could be as you say, but it also could be that at some point enough Americans turn away from the socialistic, bloated gov't that will be far more corrupt than what we have now and say enough is enough. Maybe enough of them will realize that their trust in gov't was misplaced and return to the values that started this country in the 1st place. I suspect there will be another great depression to rival or exceed that of the 1930s, and after much suffering and hardship a new beginning will take place. Maybe after a lot of other ideas are tried and failed, we'll eventually get back to what really works.

That is possible, though i think another depression would be devastating.

 

[John Shaw]

I debated whether or not to post on this thread. And decided ......you listen to Glen Beck too much.

He's Back! Glenn Beck Says Obama Will Throw Opponents in Internment Camps
We are Germany 1930. You can deny it all you want,” he said. “But the socialist revolution is here.”

Actually, I dont listen to beck much anymore. When I listen to conservative radio, I may tune in to beck, but I actually prefer his show now when he is not there, and pat and stu run the show.

Mostly I listen to wilkow on the right, and signorile and obiedalah on the left.

This is just the way I'm feeling these days. It's just hard for me to ignore. You see the fighting here on usmb, and other forums and the stark division in our government. Nobody is getting along, and nobody wants to get along.

We cant continue on this path. It will destroy us in the end.

Your listening habits are part of your problem.

How so? I listen to both sides. It's amazing that when you listen to two sides of a topic how utterly divided the two parties are. Its simply amazing how you can take any topic, have left and right talk shows discuss it, and their opinions could not be more opposite.

It's almost like its staged that way. In my opinion, there are very few topics where two different ideologies cant at least find some common ground. Not the case these days. Listen to the right talk about a topic, then turn to a left leaning station and listen to them talk about the exact same topic, and have completely different views. It's almost as if it is scripted.

Again, this is just how "I" see things. Yes, I probably listen to more talk radio than I should, but it has allowed me to see how utterly divided we are. Its quite uncanny.

There is supposed to be opposition parties. That is OUR COUNTRY. We are not supposed to have a ONE PARTY SYSTEM, which is what "bipartisanship" is. Another bullshit word designed to change our paradigm.

Trump is not buying into the globalists. Trying to obliterate the middle class. He does not buy into the left wing narrative that America is RACIST. Supposed to have an opposition party system.

The whole notion that our country was ever anything else is another attempt to rewrite history by the globalists.

They are quite successful at doing that. Most shit we have learned or believe is actually quite false. From how truth about the CRUSADES to how the Trans Atlantic slave trade began. All of it.

Our country is done because of what I mentioned already.

The mainstream media, hollywood and the educational system. All run by globalists pushing left wing propaganda in order to enslave our minds.

Uh,yikes ....

 

[Mac1958]

We could go down the road of a civil war, with one side winning and the other being exterminated.
We could split the country into two or more smaller nations m.
Lastly we could simply reboot the existing nation from an updated version of the original operating system.

I strongly suspect that the last possibility you offer is the way it will go, and that it has been the goal of many in the first place, given what they think of this country.
.

 

[Valerie]

We are too far gone for anything but the most violent upheaval to correct.

violent dumbos (like you!) are the marginal ones who are CLEARLY too far gone.





(the rest of us are going to carry-on non violently and let legal due process run its course)

 

[ThisIsMe]

I debated whether or not to post on this thread. And decided ......you listen to Glen Beck too much.

He's Back! Glenn Beck Says Obama Will Throw Opponents in Internment Camps
We are Germany 1930. You can deny it all you want,” he said. “But the socialist revolution is here.”

Actually, I dont listen to beck much anymore. When I listen to conservative radio, I may tune in to beck, but I actually prefer his show now when he is not there, and pat and stu run the show.

Mostly I listen to wilkow on the right, and signorile and obiedalah on the left.

This is just the way I'm feeling these days. It's just hard for me to ignore. You see the fighting here on usmb, and other forums and the stark division in our government. Nobody is getting along, and nobody wants to get along.

We cant continue on this path. It will destroy us in the end.

Your listening habits are part of your problem.

How so? I listen to both sides. It's amazing that when you listen to two sides of a topic how utterly divided the two parties are. Its simply amazing how you can take any topic, have left and right talk shows discuss it, and their opinions could not be more opposite.

It's almost like its staged that way. In my opinion, there are very few topics where two different ideologies cant at least find some common ground. Not the case these days. Listen to the right talk about a topic, then turn to a left leaning station and listen to them talk about the exact same topic, and have completely different views. It's almost as if it is scripted.

Again, this is just how "I" see things. Yes, I probably listen to more talk radio than I should, but it has allowed me to see how utterly divided we are. Its quite uncanny.

You listen to people who profit from that division.

Of course, one of those three is way worse than the other two.

I'm guessing you are referring to wilkow? Have you ever listened to him? He is probably one of the best right wing talkers because his opinions are all filtered through the constitution. He doesnt get bogged down in all of the rhetoric as most people do.

He takes an issue and then uses the constitution to test it. As far as the constitution goes, there are few who can analyze it better than he can.

You should give him a good listen, youd see what I mean.

 

[ThisIsMe]

I debated whether or not to post on this thread. And decided ......you listen to Glen Beck too much.

He's Back! Glenn Beck Says Obama Will Throw Opponents in Internment Camps
We are Germany 1930. You can deny it all you want,” he said. “But the socialist revolution is here.”

Actually, I dont listen to beck much anymore. When I listen to conservative radio, I may tune in to beck, but I actually prefer his show now when he is not there, and pat and stu run the show.

Mostly I listen to wilkow on the right, and signorile and obiedalah on the left.

This is just the way I'm feeling these days. It's just hard for me to ignore. You see the fighting here on usmb, and other forums and the stark division in our government. Nobody is getting along, and nobody wants to get along.

We cant continue on this path. It will destroy us in the end.

Your listening habits are part of your problem.

How so? I listen to both sides. It's amazing that when you listen to two sides of a topic how utterly divided the two parties are. Its simply amazing how you can take any topic, have left and right talk shows discuss it, and their opinions could not be more opposite.

It's almost like its staged that way. In my opinion, there are very few topics where two different ideologies cant at least find some common ground. Not the case these days. Listen to the right talk about a topic, then turn to a left leaning station and listen to them talk about the exact same topic, and have completely different views. It's almost as if it is scripted.

Again, this is just how "I" see things. Yes, I probably listen to more talk radio than I should, but it has allowed me to see how utterly divided we are. Its quite uncanny.

You listen to people who profit from that division.

Of course, one of those three is way worse than the other two.

Also, all of those talk show hosts profit from stirring the pot. Its how they get their ratings, and ratings equal money.