Are the anti-science zealots accepting anthropogenic climate change yet?

[westwall]

You have correctly identified the cause of the current plight and dire prospects.

Mitigation is absolutely essential.

Provide evidence to support your claim. That IS the difference between religious zealots (you) and science.

Science requires evidence. Not opinion. Not computer derived fiction, but real, measurable evidence.

So provide some.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You have correctly identified the cause of the current plight and dire prospects.

Mitigation is absolutely essential.

I have identified the cause.....you.

You never responded to my comment about Mike's Nature Trick........

 

[Stryder50]

The climatological oeuvre is voluminous. So much so that its eluding you is highly improbable.

And eluding itself.
Until you and they have each and all reduced your personal carbon dioxide~CO2 emissions to ZERO, you will have no credibility, nor will your stance/position.

 

[ReinyDays]

If the evidence that has been accrued and analyzed by the world's climatologists that has enlightened the governments of every nation on earth enough to acknowledge reality is insufficient for your needs, I'm afraid that we'll just have to progress without you and hope that you can eventually catch up.

Former United States Rep. Bob Inglis, a conservative Republican from South Carolina, admits he was “ignorant” on climate change...​

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But today Mr. Inglis waxes poetic about how trips to Antarctica and the Great Barrier Reef, as a member of the House Science Committee, helped upend his views and spur him to try to win over like-minded potential converts to action on climate change.​

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“Our deal is to go to conservatives and be able to speak the language of conservatism to them,” he said in an interview, calling such framing “our natural language.”​

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Mr. Inglis’ proposition was put to the test when researchers rolled out a month’s worth of online ads, aimed at Republican-leaning voters and featuring prominent conservatives talking about climate risks.​

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Mr. Inglis’ proposition was put to the test when researchers rolled out a month’s worth of online ads, aimed at Republican-leaning voters and featuring prominent conservatives talking about climate risks.​

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A study of those 2019 ads, published in June in the journal Nature Climate Change, found they significantly boosted belief among right-leaning U.S. voters that global warming was a serious threat – a sentiment that still borders on heresy for many conservative hardliners...​

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The campaign raises hopes that communicators are closing in on solving a long-thorny problem: How to shift public opinion on climate change among a relatively stubborn subset of the U.S. population.​

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Awareness and concern about climate change has been growing in the U.S., but the shift has been far smaller among right-learning voters in a country where views on climate change often are shaped more by political affiliation than science...​

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[GOP group aims to educate fellow Republicans on climate change]​

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Will there always be a few knee-jerk ideological zealots contemptuous of climatological data that does not comport with their denialist dogma? No doubt.

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We can't take them seriously.

Increasingly, Republican politicians, especially those with national ambitions, can't afford to:

... DeSantis’ first days in office were a whirlwind of environmental boons from promises of an annual earmark of $625 million to restore the state’s iconic river of grass to the ousting of the South Florida Water Management District governing board, which was seen as too friendly to agriculture.​

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The benchmark report of DeSantis’ blue-green algae task force mentions climate change on its first page as a contributor to toxic blooms, while the new chief science officer — a position DeSantis created — said on his inaugural day that climate change is real and that humans exacerbate it.​

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Since then, DeSantis moved to buy 20,000 acres of Everglades land that was slated for oil drilling so that it could be preserved. He is supporting a bill to create a Statewide Office of Resiliency and Statewide Sea-Level Rise Task force, which were part of his January 2019 executive order on the environment.​

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A resolution, simply titled “Climate Change,” also is moving through committees that expresses lawmaker backing for resiliency efforts, including the addition of a statewide grid of electric vehicle charging stations.​

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[Climate change no longer dirty words for Florida's GOP, but how green will Trump go?]​

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Then you admit to lying about having "overwhelming evidence" ... what else have you been lying about? ...

What does God say about a lying tongue? ...

Next up: name one "climatological institution" ...

 

[Stryder50]

This planet is in constant NATURAL Climate Change, either cooling or warming. Current evidence suggests we may not yet be out of the cooling/ice age phase.

Get back to us in January~February when your 'nads are freezing off, if you live in the Northern Hemisphere.

 

[ReinyDays]

I'm a PhD geologist who helped build LANDSAT 1. I am qualified to teach ANY climatology class, including graduate level.

They, on the other hand, are not qualified to teach graduate level geology classes.

So why should I be impressed by them?

Horsefeathers ... why is there a cusp in the pseudo-adiabatic lapse rate? ... yeah, some basic meteorology that a geologist would never have come across building LANDSAT satellites ...

 

[westwall]

Horsefeathers ... why is there a cusp in the pseudo-adiabatic lapse rate? ... yeah, some basic meteorology that a geologist would never have come across building LANDSAT satellites ...

You are correct. We were working on the geologic remote sensing apparatus. We had zero to do with meteorology.

I was working for what eventually became SBRC at the time.

 

[Mindful]

All lies camouflaged as opinion. A simple review of historical fact exposes your claims as outright lies.

Even the Germans have not reached a conclusion concerning the European floods.

 

[ReinyDays]

You are correct. We were working on the geologic remote sensing apparatus. We had zero to do with meteorology.

I was working for what eventually became SBRC at the time.

... but that doesn't mean you couldn't school a climatologist in math ... geology is rich with gradients ... something the typical climatologist avoids like Black Death ...

 

[schmidlap]

Provide evidence to support your claim. That IS the difference between religious zealots (you) and science.

Science requires evidence. Not opinion. Not computer derived fiction, but real, measurable evidence.

So provide some.

Heat dome brings record-breaking high temperatures to the West,​

exacerbating drought and wildfires​

Much of the western USA is enduring a punishing and unforgiving summer of heat, drought and wildfires. Hundreds of heat records have been shattered, and drought encompasses a whopping 94% of the West. Wildfires have scorched nearly 4,000 square miles, an area larger than the states of Delaware and Rhode Island put together...​

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This cauldron of misery has been exacerbated by a sprawling heat dome that's wandered around the West this summer, sending temperatures skyrocketing. A heat dome occurs when the atmosphere traps hot air like a lid or cap...​

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Nearly 60 million people in the West are enduring a drought, all the way from Washington to New Mexico. Nearly 95% of the region is in a drought, the highest percentage in at least the past 20 years, according to the U.S. Drought Monitor...​

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"Extreme, record-breaking heat leading up to this week has resulted in rapid deteriorations in drought conditions across the Pacific Northwest, northern Great Basin and Northern Rockies," the most recent Drought Monitor said. ...​

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In Oregon, where drought has intensified and expanded from severe to exceptional levels, soil moisture, stream flow and the Standardized Precipitation Evapotranspiration Index (a drought-monitoring indicator that includes the effects of precipitation and temperature) show conditions are among the driest going back to 1895, the Drought Monitor said this month.​

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Montana recorded less than 25% of its normal precipitation in June, which is historically its highest precipitation month. Impacts there included infestations of grasshoppers...​

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Extreme conditions like what the West is enduring this summer are often from a combination of unusual random, short-term and natural weather patterns heightened by long-term, human-caused climate change.​

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Scientists have long warned that the weather will get wilder as the world warms. Climate change has made the West much warmer and drier in the past 30 years...​

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"With regard to climate change, it is expected that the jet stream will become more wavy in the future as average temperatures continue to climb, making these large deviations, and subsequently extreme heat events, more common," AccuWeather senior meteorologist Randy Adkins said.​

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[Heat dome brings record-breaking high temperatures to the West, exacerbating drought and wildfires]​

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"Oh, yeah!
"Well, Ah aksed the Petroleum Institute, 'Did you do it?'
And they said 'No! We did not. Absolutely not!'
I then asked them a second time in a totally different way.
They said, "Absolutely not.'
and Ah believes them!"​

 

[schmidlap]

Even the Germans have not reached a conclusion concerning the European floods.

No single event is conclusive. It is the aggregate of extreme weather events that confirms the scientific consensus. The scientific predictions, based upon empirical data, are being confirmed. The remnant of adamantine ideologues in denial are being discredited by reality.

In its 2001 Third Assessment Report, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) foresaw that global warming would lead to increasingly deadly heatwaves. “More hot days and heatwaves are very likely over nearly all land areas,” the world’s top climate scientists warned. “These increases are projected to be largest mainly in areas where soil moisture decreases occur.” ​

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“The greatest increases in thermal stress are forecast for mid- to high-latitude (temperate) cities, especially in populations with non-adapted architecture and limited air conditioning,” they wrote at the time. “A number of U.S. cities would experience, on average, several hundred extra deaths each summer.”​

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Sound prescient? And familiar? All too much so.​

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Twenty years later, it seems as though these climate scientists were gazing into a crystal ball rather than computer monitors. At the end of June 2021, the normally temperate Pacific Northwest experienced a record-shattering heatwave. The village of Lytton, in British Columbia, set a new all-time Canadian temperature record of 49.6 degrees Celsius (121.3 degrees Fahrenheit) and was largely destroyed by a wildfire soon thereafter. Quillayute in the northwest corner of Washington, shattered its previous high temperature record by a full 11°F.​

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[As scientists have long predicted, warming is making heatwaves more deadly » Yale Climate Connections]​

 

[ReinyDays]

Heat dome brings record-breaking high temperatures to the West,​

exacerbating drought and wildfires​

Much of the western USA is enduring a punishing and unforgiving summer of heat, drought and wildfires. Hundreds of heat records have been shattered, and drought encompasses a whopping 94% of the West. Wildfires have scorched nearly 4,000 square miles, an area larger than the states of Delaware and Rhode Island put together...​

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This cauldron of misery has been exacerbated by a sprawling heat dome that's wandered around the West this summer, sending temperatures skyrocketing. A heat dome occurs when the atmosphere traps hot air like a lid or cap...​

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Nearly 60 million people in the West are enduring a drought, all the way from Washington to New Mexico. Nearly 95% of the region is in a drought, the highest percentage in at least the past 20 years, according to the U.S. Drought Monitor...​

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"Extreme, record-breaking heat leading up to this week has resulted in rapid deteriorations in drought conditions across the Pacific Northwest, northern Great Basin and Northern Rockies," the most recent Drought Monitor said. ...​

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In Oregon, where drought has intensified and expanded from severe to exceptional levels, soil moisture, stream flow and the Standardized Precipitation Evapotranspiration Index (a drought-monitoring indicator that includes the effects of precipitation and temperature) show conditions are among the driest going back to 1895, the Drought Monitor said this month.​

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Montana recorded less than 25% of its normal precipitation in June, which is historically its highest precipitation month. Impacts there included infestations of grasshoppers...​

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Extreme conditions like what the West is enduring this summer are often from a combination of unusual random, short-term and natural weather patterns heightened by long-term, human-caused climate change.​

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Scientists have long warned that the weather will get wilder as the world warms. Climate change has made the West much warmer and drier in the past 30 years...​

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"With regard to climate change, it is expected that the jet stream will become more wavy in the future as average temperatures continue to climb, making these large deviations, and subsequently extreme heat events, more common," AccuWeather senior meteorologist Randy Adkins said.​

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[Heat dome brings record-breaking high temperatures to the West, exacerbating drought and wildfires]​

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"Oh, yeah!
"Well, Ah aksed the Petroleum Institute, 'Did you do it?'
And they said 'No! We did not. Absolutely not!'
I then asked them a second time in a totally different way.
They said, "Absolutely not.'
and Ah believes them!"​

Thanks for the weather update ... little behind though ... it's definitely long pants, flannel shirts and shoes in the mornings here in The West ...

Climate-wise ... this is normal ... happens every ten years or so ... totally expected in a Mediterranean climate ... same with drought, farmers have their crops in by mid-June every year, and on the westside there's plenty of clean fresh mountain spring water ... that crap's a nuisance to be honest ... eastside always suffers from water shortages ... [raises eyebrows] ... that's why it's called a desert ... so the current climate requires severe drought over most of Washington State and Oregon, and that would be all eastside ... so you've given us evidence that climate .. is .. not .. changing ... duh ...

Randy Adkins is a journalist ... seemed to have come up through various radio and TV stations as a weather girl ... apparently she's made absolutely ZERO contributions to scientific literature ... not even a "letter to the editor" ... if AccuWeather doesn't list her alma mater, then it's a sure sign it's not worth listing ... "University of P.O. Box 3725, Phoenix, AZ" ... majored in 11th Century Occitanian Troubadour musicology ... she must be a great liar to be so successful at TV broadcasting ...

... and speaking of liars ... any tiny bit of your "overwhelming evidence" available yet? ... most of what's published today is about trying to figure out a way to measure these values ... like why fully half of man-kind's annual CO2 emissions disappear ...

 

[schmidlap]

... but that doesn't mean you couldn't school a climatologist in math ... geology is rich with gradients ... something the typical climatologist avoids like Black Death ...

Ideological dogmatists being pissy about climatologists does not alter the scientific consensus, nor does it in any way invalidate the predicted, continually-accumulating confirmatory data.

Massive flooding killed at least 195 people in northern Europe last week. Massive wildfires are burning across much of the western United States. These extreme weather events, scientists warn, are clear signs of global warming. And they say more is needed to be done to fight climate change...​

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Wim Thiery, a professor at Brussels University, spoke to the Associated Press Friday. He said of the flooding, “There is a clear link between extreme precipitation occurring and climate change.”...​

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Across the Atlantic, a different kind of extreme weather is happening in Canada and the western United States.​

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For the second straight year, Death Valley in California has recorded temperatures as high as 54 degrees Celsius. The U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, or NOAA, reported that the U.S. Pacific Northwest and western Canada experienced record highs in late June.​

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The extremely high temperature is part of the change that has made North America warmer and drier in the past 30 years leading to more wildfires...​

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Stefan Rahmstorf teaches ocean physics at the University of Potsdam in Germany. He said the recent heat records set in the U.S. and Canada “are so extreme that they would be virtually impossible without global warming.”​

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[Scientists: Floods, Wildfires Are Signs of Global Warming]​

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"Oh, yeah! ​

Well, it's antifa and BLM that's doin' it!"​

 

[ReinyDays]

Ideological dogmatists being pissy about climatologists does not alter the scientific consensus, nor does it in any way invalidate the predicted, continually-accumulating confirmatory data.

Massive flooding killed at least 195 people in northern Europe last week. Massive wildfires are burning across much of the western United States. These extreme weather events, scientists warn, are clear signs of global warming. And they say more is needed to be done to fight climate change...​

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Wim Thiery, a professor at Brussels University, spoke to the Associated Press Friday. He said of the flooding, “There is a clear link between extreme precipitation occurring and climate change.”...​

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Across the Atlantic, a different kind of extreme weather is happening in Canada and the western United States.​

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For the second straight year, Death Valley in California has recorded temperatures as high as 54 degrees Celsius. The U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, or NOAA, reported that the U.S. Pacific Northwest and western Canada experienced record highs in late June.​

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The extremely high temperature is part of the change that has made North America warmer and drier in the past 30 years leading to more wildfires...​

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Stefan Rahmstorf teaches ocean physics at the University of Potsdam in Germany. He said the recent heat records set in the U.S. and Canada “are so extreme that they would be virtually impossible without global warming.”​

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[Scientists: Floods, Wildfires Are Signs of Global Warming]​

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"Oh, yeah! ​

Well, it's antifa and BLM that's doin' it!"​

[Wim Thiery] said of the flooding, “There is a clear link between extreme precipitation occurring and climate change.”

... and this link is? ... it rains in Germany ... better correlation between levee-building and flooding than with temperatures ...

[Stefan Rahmstorf] said the recent heat records set in the U.S. and Canada “are so extreme that they would be virtually impossible without global warming.”

global warming ≠ climate change ... "climate change" is New Speak and specifically designed to cause fear in people when there's nothing to be feared ... global warming means warmer and wetter conditions; longer, more productive growing seasons ... Primary Production increases which ripples through the environment ... "climate change" is just fearmongering ...

You yourself admitted up-thread that these predictions of catastrophe are bullshit ... why do you persist with this ignorance? ...

 

[jc456]

The ideological dogma that decrees one is free to poop into the heavens with impunity appears to be tenacious.

Housebreaking the obstinate is a challenge.

Spewing greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere impacts the atmosphere.

nope, you have no scientific evidence to make such a statement, so you are just a jim joneser. Hi Jim

 

[jc456]

[Wim Thiery] said of the flooding, “There is a clear link between extreme precipitation occurring and climate change.”

... and this link is? ... it rains in Germany ... better correlation between levee-building and flooding than with temperatures ...

[Stefan Rahmstorf] said the recent heat records set in the U.S. and Canada “are so extreme that they would be virtually impossible without global warming.”

global warming ≠ climate change ... "climate change" is New Speak and specifically designed to cause fear in people when there's nothing to be feared ... global warming means warmer and wetter conditions; longer, more productive growing seasons ... Primary Production increases which ripples through the environment ... "climate change" is just fearmongering ...

You yourself admitted up-thread that these predictions of catastrophe are bullshit ... why do you persist with this ignorance? ...

they don't know that when you put concrete on top of dirt the dirt no longer absorbs the water and it floods. Such scientists.

 

[schmidlap]

nope, you have no scientific evidence to make such a statement, so you are just a jim joneser. Hi Jim

Fringe dogmatists can pleasure themselves with their science denial, but normal folks must confront the scientific reality.

The U.K.’s national weather service declared its first-ever extreme heat warning on Monday. The alert now sits alongside age-old ones, such as thunderstorms, fog and lightning. In explaining why a new category was needed, the Met Office was unequivocal: “Research shows that, as a result of climate change, we are now much more likely to see prolonged spells of hot weather.”...​

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Global warming has heated the planet about 1.2°C above pre-industrial levels. That’s having all kinds of impacts, and perhaps on the worse end of the predicted spectrum... “It’s no longer a vague concern about things happening in the future.” Jennifer Atkinson, professor of environmental humanities at the University of Washington...​

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The record-breaking heatwave on the west coast of North America got worldwide attention, especially after scientists found it was “virtually impossible” without human-caused climate change, but the heatwaves that followed did not.​

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[How to Talk About Climate Change as Catastrophes Pile Up]​

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[jc456]

Fringe dogmatists can pleasure themselves with their science denial, but normal folks must confront the scientific reality.

The U.K.’s national weather service declared its first-ever extreme heat warning on Monday. The alert now sits alongside age-old ones, such as thunderstorms, fog and lightning. In explaining why a new category was needed, the Met Office was unequivocal: “Research shows that, as a result of climate change, we are now much more likely to see prolonged spells of hot weather.”...​

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Global warming has heated the planet about 1.2°C above pre-industrial levels. That’s having all kinds of impacts, and perhaps on the worse end of the predicted spectrum... “It’s no longer a vague concern about things happening in the future.” Jennifer Atkinson, professor of environmental humanities at the University of Washington...​

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The record-breaking heatwave on the west coast of North America got worldwide attention, especially after scientists found it was “virtually impossible” without human-caused climate change, but the heatwaves that followed did not.​

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[How to Talk About Climate Change as Catastrophes Pile Up]​

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son, you can post nonsense from any fking paper in the world, the fact I made still remains the same. Hi Jim!!!

 

[westwall]

Heat dome brings record-breaking high temperatures to the West,​

exacerbating drought and wildfires​

Much of the western USA is enduring a punishing and unforgiving summer of heat, drought and wildfires. Hundreds of heat records have been shattered, and drought encompasses a whopping 94% of the West. Wildfires have scorched nearly 4,000 square miles, an area larger than the states of Delaware and Rhode Island put together...​

​

This cauldron of misery has been exacerbated by a sprawling heat dome that's wandered around the West this summer, sending temperatures skyrocketing. A heat dome occurs when the atmosphere traps hot air like a lid or cap...​

​

Nearly 60 million people in the West are enduring a drought, all the way from Washington to New Mexico. Nearly 95% of the region is in a drought, the highest percentage in at least the past 20 years, according to the U.S. Drought Monitor...​

​

"Extreme, record-breaking heat leading up to this week has resulted in rapid deteriorations in drought conditions across the Pacific Northwest, northern Great Basin and Northern Rockies," the most recent Drought Monitor said. ...​

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In Oregon, where drought has intensified and expanded from severe to exceptional levels, soil moisture, stream flow and the Standardized Precipitation Evapotranspiration Index (a drought-monitoring indicator that includes the effects of precipitation and temperature) show conditions are among the driest going back to 1895, the Drought Monitor said this month.​

​

Montana recorded less than 25% of its normal precipitation in June, which is historically its highest precipitation month. Impacts there included infestations of grasshoppers...​

​

Extreme conditions like what the West is enduring this summer are often from a combination of unusual random, short-term and natural weather patterns heightened by long-term, human-caused climate change.​

​

Scientists have long warned that the weather will get wilder as the world warms. Climate change has made the West much warmer and drier in the past 30 years...​

​

"With regard to climate change, it is expected that the jet stream will become more wavy in the future as average temperatures continue to climb, making these large deviations, and subsequently extreme heat events, more common," AccuWeather senior meteorologist Randy Adkins said.​

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[Heat dome brings record-breaking high temperatures to the West, exacerbating drought and wildfires]​

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"Oh, yeah!
"Well, Ah aksed the Petroleum Institute, 'Did you do it?'
And they said 'No! We did not. Absolutely not!'
I then asked them a second time in a totally different way.
They said, "Absolutely not.'
and Ah believes them!"​

Yeah? So? It's nothing strange. Once again you post hyperbolic opinion and no science.

Are you so fundamentally stupid that you don't understand the difference between opinion and data?

 

[westwall]

... but that doesn't mean you couldn't school a climatologist in math ... geology is rich with gradients ... something the typical climatologist avoids like Black Death ...

Yup. That is true. Climatologists have completely stopped making predictions of any kind. They have been wrong so many times that now every "prediction" is preceded by "suggests", or "could", but never a "will happen".