Are globalized corporations unamerican?

[JakeStarkey]

You live in delusional world, kiddo.

Of course if true you would not be so afraid to show the most substantive delusion for the whole world to see.

You don't add any substantive evidence, kid. You have a right to your opinion, just not to your own set of facts, and your opinion is not a fact.

 

[JakeStarkey]

George Washington, John Adams, Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, and the majority of the Founders would tell you that you are talking out of your ass.

of course if true you would not be so afraid to say exactly where I disagee with the founders

Yes, so many of the Tea Party are Righty Extremist Religious Fascists.

actually fascists are for unlimited government while the Tea Party of 1773 and 2010 was/is for very limited government. Sorry

One, most of the founders, as you well know, were big centralized government guys.

Two, fascists are for corporate control of government, and the Tea Party are exactly those types of folks. You would have been Loyalists and fought for the Crown in our War of Independence.

 

[Brutus]

Smoot-Hawley contributed to the Great Depression. It is estimated that the tariffs caused the real economy to contract by 4%. Total contraction during the Great Depression is estimated at 26%.

international trade fell off 50% thanks to liberal Smoot Hawley

And it is true, most economists are against tariffs, even Paul Krugman. Even BO is now on Congress to pass free trade with S KOrea and COlumbia. Estimate is 50,00 new jobs for Americans but scum liberal unions oppose.

 

[Brutus]

One, most of the founders, as you well know, were big centralized government guys.

check your history. Perhaps that was somewhat true of the Federalists but that is exactly why they were quickly defeated, never to be heard from again, by Jeffersons Republicans who described their total victory as the Second American Revolution whose purpose was to establish that the Revolution had been against all government, not just the government of england. Welcome to your first lesson in American History.

Two, fascists are for corporate control of government, and the Tea Party are exactly those types of folks.

The Tea Party, Republicans, libertarians, Jeffersonians and conservatives are for limited government so there is little to control in the first place. In a liberal socialist economy control of government is everything becuase government has all the control and power. You got it 100% backwards which is 100% typical of a liberal. Sorry

You would have been Loyalists and fought for the Crown in our War of Independence.

As I said Jefferson was against the powerful government in England and against the powerful Federalist goverment forming in America.
Another first lesson in US history for you!. It is my honor to teach you the most rudimentary basics

 

[Sactowndog]

Smoot-Hawley contributed to the Great Depression. It is estimated that the tariffs caused the real economy to contract by 4%. Total contraction during the Great Depression is estimated at 26%.

international trade fell off 50% thanks to liberal Smoot Hawley

And it is true, most economists are against tariffs, even Paul Krugman. Even BO is now on Congress to pass free trade with S KOrea and COlumbia. Estimate is 50,00 new jobs for Americans but scum liberal unions oppose.

So I agree free trade is important but what is your suggestion to allow the country to be successful without driving the deficit through the roof? Currently China, Singapore and others are subsidizing engineering jobs.

My proposal would be:

1) Drive US job growth by eliminating Corporate income tax. With the additonal revenue business will have capital to invest.

2) Penalize companies who are in market but not investing in market by exporting capital. Impose a 20% capital exportation tax.

3) Balance the revenue by raising capital gains taxes to the level of income taxes.

4) Insure IP generated by government funding results in manufacturing in the US.

 

[uscitizen]

It is clear we must work for less money to enable us to compete in the global economy.

 

[Sactowndog]

It is clear we must work for less money to enable us to compete in the global economy.

You sound like the PC manufactures who reduced costs and reduced costs versus Apple which took being innovative than just reducing costs.

Apple is doing pretty well now if you have checked thier market valuation is signifiantly higher than HP or Dell.

The key is making sure we have policies that prevents international corporations from exporting the IP generated here.

 

[JakeStarkey]

One, most of the founders, as you well know, were big centralized government guys.

check your history. Perhaps that was somewhat true of the Federalists but that is exactly why they were quickly defeated, never to be heard from again, by Jeffersons Republicans who described their total victory as the Second American Revolution whose purpose was to establish that the Revolution had been against all government, not just the government of england. Welcome to your first lesson in American History.

Two, fascists are for corporate control of government, and the Tea Party are exactly those types of folks.

The Tea Party, Republicans, libertarians, Jeffersonians and conservatives are for limited government so there is little to control in the first place. In a liberal socialist economy control of government is everything becuase government has all the control and power. You got it 100% backwards which is 100% typical of a liberal. Sorry

You would have been Loyalists and fought for the Crown in our War of Independence.

As I said Jefferson was against the powerful government in England and against the powerful Federalist goverment forming in America.
Another first lesson in US history for you!. It is my honor to teach you the most rudimentary basics

First, you admit that the Founders were overwhelmingly large government nationalists. You skip over the Nationalist Republicans, the Whigs, and the beginning Republicans, all big government American heroes putting down the traitorous small-government democrats in the Civil War.

Second, your denials about small-government Tea Party phans ring hollow. MB's pledge is big government, the anti-homosexual and anti-choice hysteria emanating from the TPS wanting the big government to deny people their rights.

Third, the corporate fascists of America are rooted in the far right fabric of American politics.

You just keep shooting yourself in the foot. Maybe you should stop putting it in your mouth first.

 

[Brutus]

So I agree free trade is important but what is your suggestion to allow the country to be successful without driving the deficit through the roof?

actually a successful country would not have or want or need deficts. I have no idea what you mean.

Currently China, Singapore and others are subsidizing engineering jobs.

so????? is your assumption that we must subsidize too?? what is it based on?? Every special interest group wants to be given welfare. so??

My proposal would be:

1) Drive US job growth by eliminating Corporate income tax. With the additonal revenue business will have capital to invest.

actually competition would force prices down by the amount of the tax decrease so the advantage in your proposal would be that 1) consumers would get richer and have more to invest and, 2) business could worry about business, not dodging taxes so be more efficient.

2) Penalize companies who are in market but not investing in market by exporting capital. Impose a 20% capital exportation tax.

free trade is essential, all economists are for free trade after Halwey Smoot. The Golden Rule is, the more with whom you trade the richer you get. Repeat that 100 times please.

3) Balance the revenue by raising capital gains taxes to the level of income taxes.

the less capital for the Googles the more depressed our country will be

4) Insure IP generated by government funding results in manufacturing in the US.

we get poorer if government has to pay for more expensive goods manufactured here. A business should have the lowest cost to make consumers rich, not the highest.

 

[uscitizen]

It is clear we must work for less money to enable us to compete in the global economy.

You sound like the PC manufactures who reduced costs and reduced costs versus Apple which took being innovative than just reducing costs.

Apple is doing pretty well now if you have checked thier market valuation is signifiantly higher than HP or Dell.

The key is making sure we have policies that prevents international corporations from exporting the IP generated here.

LMAO, where do you think Apple has most of their electronic devices manufactured?
Market valuation does not necessarially translate into US jobs.
Quite an example of the attitudes that helped us go downhill.

 

[Brutus]

First, you admit that the Founders were overwhelmingly large government nationalists.

if I did admit that I'll pay you $10,000. Bet?????/

You skip over the Nationalist Republicans, the Whigs, and the beginning Republicans, all big government American heroes putting down the traitorous small-government democrats in the Civil War.

actually we were talking about the Founders!!!!!

Second, your denials about small-government Tea Party phans ring hollow. MB's pledge is big government, the anti-homosexual and anti-choice hysteria emanating from the TPS wanting the big government to deny people their rights.

killing babies is not considered a right

Third, the corporate fascists of America are rooted in the far right fabric of American politics.

actually the far right is for limited government, the opposite of fascist government. Check a dictionary or Why not read "Liberal Fascism" to get familiar with the basics

You just keep shooting yourself in the foot. Maybe you should stop putting it in your mouth first.

if so why be so afraid to present your best example for the whole world to see?

 

[uscitizen]

I have trouble finding flounders at the grocery store latley.
Do we have a flounder shortage?

 

[JakeStarkey]

First, you admit that the Founders were overwhelmingly large government nationalists.

if I did admit that I'll pay you $10,000. Bet?????/

You skip over the Nationalist Republicans, the Whigs, and the beginning Republicans, all big government American heroes putting down the traitorous small-government democrats in the Civil War.

actually we were talking about the Founders!!!!! killing babies is not considered a right

Third, the corporate fascists of America are rooted in the far right fabric of American politics.

actually the far right is for limited government, the opposite of fascist government. Check a dictionary or Why not read "Liberal Fascism" to get familiar with the basics

You just keep shooting yourself in the foot. Maybe you should stop putting it in your mouth first.

if so why be so afraid to present your best example for the whole world to see?

Come on, your inner fascist calls to you, kiddo.

You admitted, by inference, that the majority of the Founders were big government nationalists, because you said to the effect the Federalists were. Send your 10K to your favorite charity.

I pointed out that you forgot about the National Republicans, Whigs, and Republicans that carried on as big government Americans. You still ignored it.

You ignore that the small-government states were stomped in the Civil War by the big-government states. Hmmm?

The far rights is corporate facist, the far right wants big government to abolish choice, the far right wants big government to criminalize homosexuality.

Facisim is far right totalitarianism, fool.

And you remain and cannot hide that you are an Righty Extremist Fascist.

 

[Brutus]

Come on, your inner fascist calls to you, kiddo.

fascism is liberal or statist. Read "Liberal Fascism"-NYTimes best seller-400 pages . Conservatives are for limited governemnt. See why we are 100% positive the liberal will have a low IQ. You are 100% confused about the most basic things.

You admitted, by inference, that the majority of the Founders were big government nationalists,

too stupid!!!! THe majority of the Founders were for freedom and liberty from government. What did the fool liberal think the Revolution was about???r

because you said to the effect the Federalists were. Send your 10K to your favorite charity.

dear, there were Federalists and anti Federalists like Jefferson and Madison!! See why we are 100% positive a liberal will be slow?? What other conclusion is possible????

I pointed out that you forgot about the National Republicans, Whigs, and Republicans that carried on as big government Americans. You still ignored it.

forgot???? it has absolutely nothing to do with our conversation

You ignore that the small-government states were stomped in the Civil War by the big-government states. Hmmm?

dear, the civil war was not remotely related to our subject!!!

The far rights is corporate facist,

dear it is BO who wants to control 17% of economy- healthcare. It is conservatives who want to sever the tie between government and business!! See why we are 100% positive a liberal will have no brains??

the far right wants big government to abolish choice,

murder has always been against the law

the far right wants big government to criminalize homosexuality

are you lying or do you have even one example???
.

Facisim is far right totalitarianism, fool.

Fascism is about big government, conservative intellectruals from Jefferson forward have tried to shrink the government. Read Liberal Fascisim to get the basics down.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Come on, your inner fascist calls to you, kiddo.

fascism is liberal or statist. Read "Liberal Fascism"-NYTimes best seller-400 pages . Conservatives are for limited governemnt. See why we are 100% positive the liberal will have a low IQ. You are 100% confused about the most basic things.

You admitted, by inference, that the majority of the Founders were big government nationalists,

too stupid!!!! THe majority of the Founders were for freedom and liberty from government. What did the fool liberal think the Revolution was about???r




dear, there were Federalists and anti Federalists like Jefferson and Madison!! See why we are 100% positive a liberal will be slow?? What other conclusion is possible????




forgot???? it has absolutely nothing to do with our conversation



dear, the civil war was not remotely related to our subject!!!



dear it is BO who wants to control 17% of economy- healthcare. It is conservatives who want to sever the tie between government and business!! See why we are 100% positive a liberal will have no brains??




murder has always been against the law

the far right wants big government to criminalize homosexuality

are you lying or do you have even one example???
.

Facisim is far right totalitarianism, fool.

Fascism is about big government, conservative intellectruals from Jefferson forward have tried to shrink the government. Read Liberal Fascisim to get the basics down.

Interesting how starkey insists he is not a liberal yet he defends liberals and liberalism.
Starkey just spews bullshit. It's free entertainment.The scary part is starkey is permitted to vote and own a gun. Stupidity should be a barrier to both.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I defend classical liberalism, where as you fools defend this perversion of Reaganism and further right as Republicanism. You guys are the best publication of how dangerous and foolish your policies are, and the surest way of demolishing any political power you wish to have in the GOP. But the Tea Party follies next year should facilitate that solution very easily.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I defend classical liberalism, where as you fools defend this perversion of Reaganism and further right as Republicanism. You guys are the best publication of how dangerous and foolish your policies are, and the surest way of demolishing any political power you wish to have in the GOP. But the Tea Party follies next year should facilitate that solution very easily.

HA! You know nothing. We use facts, you spew insults and invectives.
You are incensed because your side is in danger of losing all political power with the next two elections are you can't stand it.
You defend an ideology which seeks to increase the size of government, enact central planning policies, seeks to destroy the concept of individualism, promote groupism and rule by political fiat.
Bottom line. You people see what other have and you spend all of your time trying to figure out ways to take it from them and transfer it to government with the hope that somehow the bounty will end up in your pocket.
You people are takers. You are so faithless in your fellow man it boggles the mind.

 

[Brutus]

I defend classical liberalism, where as you fools defend this perversion of Reaganism and further right as Republicanism.

what?? Classical liberalism is Reaganism, the Tea Party, and Republicanism. It is all 100% about freedom or liberty from government and has been since Jefferson formed the party in 1792.

But, sometimes they move toward the center as the American people do. This is what democracy requires. If they did not do it they would merely be impotent libertarians.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No, the Tea Party is cultural and economic fascism.

Reagan was about 100% freedom. He never let down his homosexual friends. He never talked much about abortion. He believed government should stay out of the bedroom and peoples' personal lives.

Classical liberalism rests somewhere between RR and WJC, not beyond Obama or with the Tea Party.

 

[mike beev]

I mean where do their loyalties lie?
Do they care if America goes down the tubes as long as their profits increase?
Same with those who play the global market.

Does America owe them any breaks or support?

Not necessarily.

The problem isn't that corporations have reach in many nations, the problem is that our governments (both here and abroad) are so easily manipulated by those enormously powerful organizations.

So as a consequence governments can be easily stampeded toward a race to the bottom of labor and citizens' rights when it comes to seeing to it that those corporations aren't taking advantage of their ability to move operations from one nation to the other.

I'm informed that one of the things happening in China right now is that corporations are demanding advantages or they'll move to Viet Nam.

Well I'm of the opinion that if we're going to liberate capital from national responsibilities and grant them the right to be international citizens, then we need an equally powerful interantional government to see to it that the corporations SERVE THE PUBLIC at the same time they are serving their stockholders.

If one truly wants international economy then we also need international government to regulate the corporations that will be the winners in that economy.

Getting the undue and pernicious influence of capital out of governments is a problem facing not just this nation but ALL nations.

Or we could just say, screw it! and just all sign on as serfs to whatever corporation we can cleave to.

THAT is what the neo-cons really want, ya know.

And end to reprentational governments replaced by a world wide oligarchy lead by the owers of corporations.

I can actually even craft a good damned argument for why that ought to be the way mankind ought to head itself, too.

My objection to this development is really not so much that nations will cease to matter, (nationalism is a meance to mankind really, now that we have the BOMB) but rather it is based on the notion that when there is no representational power given to the have-nots, the HAVES turn life into a totalitarian nighmare for people.

Most American people are just now beginning to feel the lash of capital's domination of government. (Most Black Americans probably already understand THAT problem instictively as they were once considered property)

If we allow this trned to continue things will truly only get much worse in terms of human freedom and dignity.

Freedom as you or I think we know it will end.

Doubt me?

How much FREEDOM do you really have ON THE JOB if you work for a major corporation?

The answer, is ZERO.

You have exactly those rights your BOSS tells you you have.

A very old book: "Looking Backward" by Edward Belamy describes a world that evolved from super-capitalism to super-socialism through ever bigger conglomerations that were too big to fail and too greedy to be tolerated, eventually being controlled by the people for the whole population not just a small percent at the top.