Are cells conscious?

[scruffy]

Engineers and amateur radio operators will notice that the Hawaiian earring looks exactly like a Smith chart.

 

[Dante]

This idea has been circulating for some time now.

Humans in their infinite arrogance have claimed repeatedly (in history) an exclusive on consciousness.

But science has proven repeatedly that this is not the case. (See for example, animal psychophysics, which is quantitative).

Now we know (as of last year) that DNA itself operates at the quantum level. There is both entanglement and tunneling in and along nucleotides.

Do Cells Have Sentience? New Framework For Understanding Life And Consciousness

This book argues for sentience at the level of cell or even in pre-cell form of matter.

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The problem starts with definitions of "consciousness." Self-awareness?

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The official website for NOVA. NOVA is the most-watched prime time science series on American television, reaching an average of five million viewers weekly.

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Makes me think of discussions of "life" on other planets, alien life. Sentient life?

 

[scruffy]

The problem starts with definitions of "consciousness." Self-awareness?

"Self" awareness is an advanced form of awareness.

Think, ciliated bacteria. They are fully "aware".

Humans have it backwards. They think quantum is advanced. But it's not, it's primitive.

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The official website for NOVA. NOVA is the most-watched prime time science series on American television, reaching an average of five million viewers weekly.

www.pbs.org

Makes me think of discussions of "life" on other planets, alien life. Sentient life?

The earring has microscopic hoops. I've been trying to emphasize the importance of "in the limit as dt => 0". Advanced forms widen the window, that's all. The trick is how you relate the wide windows to the narrow ones. Fractal is one way, Cantor dust is another, there are more.

Entanglement is entirely suitable at a microscopic scale. It gives you a stable window that only changes with "events". The primitive cyanobacter uses entanglement, as do many forms of plant life when they photosynthesize. A photon hitting some rhodopsin generates entanglement, and quantum tunneling too.

Remember that Feynman requires integration over "every available path". Which presupposes there's something there to be integrated. How does the wave function know to come together again?

 

[Dante]

"Self" awareness is an advanced form of awareness.

Think, ciliated bacteria. They are fully "aware".

Humans have it backwards. They think quantum is advanced. But it's not, it's primitive.



The earring has microscopic hoops. I've been trying to emphasize the importance of "in the limit as dt => 0". Advanced forms widen the window, that's all. The trick is how you relate the wide windows to the narrow ones. Fractal is one way, Cantor dust is another, there are more.

Entanglement is entirely suitable at a microscopic scale. It gives you a stable window that only changes with "events". The primitive cyanobacter uses entanglement, as do many forms of plant life when they photosynthesize. A photon hitting some rhodopsin generates entanglement, and quantum tunneling too.

Remember that Feynman requires integration over "every available path". Which presupposes there's something there to be integrated. How does the wave function know to come together again?

Huh?

Aware? Self-awareness. Hmmm... Oh it's you again. You are an inspiration...

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[scruffy]

Huh?

Aware? Self-awareness. Hmmm... Oh it's you again. You are an inspiration...

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Ciliated bacteria are demonstrably aware.

Start there.

They respond to changes in their chemical environment by changing the direction of motion of the microtubules that make up the cilia.

This is a whole-organism response, it is not just localized to the point where the chemical is applied. The organism will move away from noxious chemicals and move towards food - and doing this requires a concerted motor response by the cilia on all sides of the "body".

The bacterium will swim away from toxic stuff, and swim towards food. Therefore, it is "aware" of its surroundings.

 

[Dante]

Ciliated bacteria are demonstrably aware.

Start there.

They respond to changes in their chemical environment by changing the direction of motion of the microtubules that make up the cilia.

This is a whole-organism response, it is not just localized to the point where the chemical is applied. The organism will move away from noxious chemicals and move towards food - and doing this requires a concerted motor response by the cilia on all sides of the "body".

The bacterium will swim away from toxic stuff, and swim towards food. Therefore, it is "aware" of its surroundings.

Do they create art? They are not self-aware are they?

 

[ding]

I'm a scientist. I speak science. I deal in EVIDENCE, not old wives' tales and antiquated beliefs.

If that were true you wouldn't believe that everything is alive.